I'm incredibly excited for these - as hhl are astronomical [relative to what I'd thought they'd be], going to go for a couple of each 🤞
I like the CC & O privies, too - look better than I'd thought they'd look; thought they'd do sharper-edge more modern looking privies in some wild place in the fields - glad they're not doing that
I believe they should have put the initial 25 limit lower. Definitely not only to one, but something like 5 or10, which in some ways is becoming a typical household size to economically and mentally deal with the current situation in some places.
That way more actual families, can enjoy these to keep or sell. In 20 years these modern varieties could be loved, or irrelevant, who knows.
Final verdict. Makes me want to just get the real thing all the more. Thinking gem+ peace high relief is in my sights.
Since they only have a set product limit and not mintage limit, I expect we will see a 5 set Morgan and 6 set Morgan and Peace set later in the year. Maybe a mega ultra limited edition silver set with all of these plus the regular limited silver set. Expensive but kinda cool even if the finishes will be a bit weird.
@Halfpence said:
I hadn’t seen the below article on this topic until today. The thing I find interesting is that the Morgan and Peace dollar program has no legislated end date (although the Mint apparently doesn’t have plans for production past 2021).
Great article. Nice to read through. I just hope the mint doesn’t mess this up with weird finishes and such. A special set with a medal of Morgan’s other patterns would be interesting, too. I just hope we don’t get a chrome reflective surface on all of these like the 2009 UHR. Shouldn’t be too hard to make it a nice frosty dcam uncirc or just a regular frosty uncirc.
@Halfpence said:
I hadn’t seen the below article on this topic until today. The thing I find interesting is that the Morgan and Peace dollar program has no legislated end date (although the Mint apparently doesn’t have plans for production past 2021).
Great article. Nice to read through. I just hope the mint doesn’t mess this up with weird finishes and such. A special set with a medal of Morgan’s other patterns would be interesting, too. I just hope we don’t get a chrome reflective surface on all of these like the 2009 UHR. Shouldn’t be too hard to make it a nice frosty dcam uncirc or just a regular frosty uncirc.
It's interesting that these will be released in pairs and not all 6 at once. Would have been nice to have the mint make them out of 90% silver using the original specifications rather than .999.
With the mintage limit listed as - does that mean a possibility for other products and/or sets in the future?
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The absence of mintage numbers is really throwing me off. I'll buy at least one of each, but if a packaged set is offered later, I would want that more.
@Halfpence said:
The absence of mintage numbers is really throwing me off. I'll buy at least one of each, but if a packaged set is offered later, I would want that more.
@UncleAbe said:
If they offer more for sale after the June ordering cutoff but before the October shipping some people may just cancel their original June order
in the vein of offering sets... yes, I agree.
so even more reason for the numismedia to find out what products will be offered and what the total mintages will be.
@jt88 said:
product limit is the upper limit, so it will be <= 175000
It's definitely confusing, but I think it's the opposite. Consider the recent 1/2 oz gold proof eagle. Product Limit was 1,698 for the single coins. Mintage Limit was 9,800, which included both single coin products and coins within the set of four.
@jt88 said:
product limit is the upper limit, so it will be <= 175000
It's definitely confusing, but I think it's the opposite. Consider the recent 1/2 oz gold proof eagle. Product Limit was 1,698 for the single coins. Mintage Limit was 9,800, which included both single coin products and coins within the set of four.
I think you are correct. The mintage could includes coins that sell to dealer with discount. So the mintage could be much higher than the product limit.
coin details are now up at the mint site. From 2021 product schedule click to see pics and order details.
Six different coins go on sale, two each on May 24, June 1 and June 7.
All coins priced at $85. Product shipments will not begin until October.
Morgans and Peace are .999 silver and only .858 oz. ea. with an uncirculated finish.
Morgans: no mintage limit, 175k Product limit, and 25 household limit.
Peace: no mintage limit, 200K product limit, and 25 household limit. (No mintage limit allows mint option to sell more later in different sets and packaging.)
Pre-ordering window starts at noon ET day of sale and closes approx. two weeks later at 3pm ET or until inventory depleted.
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I would like to get one of the Peace dollars. My second favorite US coin design ever, after only the St. Gaudens Double Eagle, which is well out of my price range in any form. If I do get one of these it will be the most I've ever spent on a single coin... currently the record stands at $50.
@jt88 said:
product limit is the upper limit, so it will be <= 175000
It's definitely confusing, but I think it's the opposite. Consider the recent 1/2 oz gold proof eagle. Product Limit was 1,698 for the single coins. Mintage Limit was 9,800, which included both single coin products and coins within the set of four.
I think you are correct. The mintage could includes coins that sell to dealer with discount. So the mintage could be much higher than the product limit.
The mintage limit does NOT include the dealer sales as a separate number. The product limit includes ALL sales of that product. The only "dealer sales" that would be a separate number is if they sold these in capsules with no boxes to dealers as they have sometimes done with proof silver eagles.
The mintage limit would include the same coin in different packaging. So, for example, if they put it in the limited edition silver proof set, those don't count against the "product limit" because it is a different product.
I will not be going after the Morgans and I love Morgans. They look terrible.
I may go for peace. Probably not.
HHL 25 and Oct Delivery kills the flip on most of these and I have zero interest in owning mass produced garbage bullion rounds, which is what these are.
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@DelawareDoons said:
I will not be going after the Morgans and I love Morgans. They look terrible.
I may go for peace. Probably not.
HHL 25 and Oct Delivery kills the flip on most of these and I have zero interest in owning mass produced garbage bullion rounds, which is what these are.
Most of the original morgans and peace dollars were mass produced bullion in order to funnel money to silver mining industries. They certainly weren’t needed for commerce.
@KISHU1 said:
You are right about the mintage and also we don’t know what the price will be
Just having a little fun
Frank D
I see $85 on the Mint's website which I assume may be for all coins. If the appearance is anything like the reverse of the 2006 Old Mint coins it will be as blah as the day is long.
Another big money maker for the Mint. If mintages are low, I won't even try. It'll be a waste of my time. I'll buy them on the secondary market or just skip it altogether. I have finally come to realize that the Mint is a catering entity for dealers and flippers. The average collector who wants one coin needs luck and patience, and I have little of each.
@silverman68 said:
Prices and mintages now on Mint site.
Product limit (for each of these sales) has been posted. Total mintage for each coin remains unannounced. This would include any other products listed in the future that included these coins such as a set. The decision to package them in mint offered sets is likely to be based on sales of the individual coins.
As with all precious metal coins these $85 prices may be subject to weekly repricing based on changes in spot. Remains to be seen, they are some hefty premium at $85.
"How many times can a man turn his head and pretend he just doesn’t see?” - Bob Dylan
@DelawareDoons said:
I will not be going after the Morgans and I love Morgans. They look terrible.
I may go for peace. Probably not.
HHL 25 and Oct Delivery kills the flip on most of these and I have zero interest in owning mass produced garbage bullion rounds, which is what these are.
Most of the original morgans and peace dollars were mass produced bullion in order to funnel money to silver mining industries. They certainly weren’t needed for commerce.
I was aware and that's a fair accusation, but at the end of the day, these new ones look like doggy doo.
"It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
@silverman68 said:
Prices and mintages now on Mint site.
As with all precious metal coins these $85 prices may be subject to weekly repricing based on changes in spot. Remains to be seen, they are some hefty premium at $85.
Silver is Not subject to weekly repricing, only Gold, Platinum and Palladium...
@DelawareDoons said:
I will not be going after the Morgans and I love Morgans. They look terrible.
I may go for peace. Probably not.
HHL 25 and Oct Delivery kills the flip on most of these and I have zero interest in owning mass produced garbage bullion rounds, which is what these are.
Most of the original morgans and peace dollars were mass produced bullion in order to funnel money to silver mining industries. They certainly weren’t needed for commerce.
I was aware and that's a fair accusation, but at the end of the day, these new ones look like doggy doo.
No argument there. They went with their typical chrome finish and it looks wrong, just as the 2009 UHR looks wrong. I don’t know what their issue is with sticking to this kind of look. I guess it works for them. But a DCAM proof 2021 peace might look nice.
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I'm incredibly excited for these - as hhl are astronomical [relative to what I'd thought they'd be], going to go for a couple of each 🤞
I like the CC & O privies, too - look better than I'd thought they'd look; thought they'd do sharper-edge more modern looking privies in some wild place in the fields - glad they're not doing that
The Peace dollar should be a winner since it’ll only have 1 version and I like the CC privy. Not quite as good as a CC mint mark but I’ll take it.
The O privy marks looks like a belly button...
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I believe they should have put the initial 25 limit lower. Definitely not only to one, but something like 5 or10, which in some ways is becoming a typical household size to economically and mentally deal with the current situation in some places.
That way more actual families, can enjoy these to keep or sell. In 20 years these modern varieties could be loved, or irrelevant, who knows.
Final verdict. Makes me want to just get the real thing all the more. Thinking gem+ peace high relief is in my sights.
National Commemorative Medals of the U.S. Mint:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/medals-tokens/national-commemorative-medals-united-states-mint-1940-present/alltimeset/195526
Just saw this:
Product shipments will begin in October.
https://catalog.usmint.gov/morgan-2021-silver-dollar-with-cc-privy-mark-21XC.html?cgid=https://forums.collectors.com/categories/u-s-coin-forum
Since they only have a set product limit and not mintage limit, I expect we will see a 5 set Morgan and 6 set Morgan and Peace set later in the year. Maybe a mega ultra limited edition silver set with all of these plus the regular limited silver set. Expensive but kinda cool even if the finishes will be a bit weird.
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I'd be up for a Gold Proof Morgan....
does that mean cards won't charge until october?
most likely, CC comapnies generally drop pending charges after something like they've been pending for 30 days or 60.
matte proof gold peace?
Count me in for gold.
It's interesting that these will be released in pairs and not all 6 at once. Would have been nice to have the mint make them out of 90% silver using the original specifications rather than .999.
With the mintage limit listed as - does that mean a possibility for other products and/or sets in the future?
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asked earlier.
unsure.
wishing the numispress find out soon
I'm stressing only having 2 each day to try for 🥵 happy they didn't do all morgans on same day
The Peace and one Morgan will do me just fine.
are you going HHL for any and all single coin issues ?
I'm doing 1 of each single.
The absence of mintage numbers is really throwing me off. I'll buy at least one of each, but if a packaged set is offered later, I would want that more.
a full set of 1 each would be preferred for me.
likewise for proof versions.
If they offer more for sale after the June ordering cutoff but before the October shipping some people may just cancel their original June order
in the vein of offering sets... yes, I agree.
so even more reason for the numismedia to find out what products will be offered and what the total mintages will be.
oh lord no - I don't have @jmlanzaf $ 😄 - I'm just going for 2 of each single issue - will need luck w just that
$85 for peace. Here is the mintage for each:
tem Number: 21XH
Mintage Limit: -
Product Limit: 200,000
Household Order Limit: 25
$85 for Morgan. Mintage:
Item Number: 21XE
Mintage Limit: -
Product Limit: 175,000
Household Order Limit: 25
^^^ *not mintage, product limit
product limit is the upper limit, so it will be <= 175000
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It's definitely confusing, but I think it's the opposite. Consider the recent 1/2 oz gold proof eagle. Product Limit was 1,698 for the single coins. Mintage Limit was 9,800, which included both single coin products and coins within the set of four.
I think you are correct. The mintage could includes coins that sell to dealer with discount. So the mintage could be much higher than the product limit.
coin details are now up at the mint site. From 2021 product schedule click to see pics and order details.
"How many times can a man turn his head and pretend he just doesn’t see?” - Bob Dylan
I would like to get one of the Peace dollars. My second favorite US coin design ever, after only the St. Gaudens Double Eagle, which is well out of my price range in any form. If I do get one of these it will be the most I've ever spent on a single coin... currently the record stands at $50.
The mintage limit does NOT include the dealer sales as a separate number. The product limit includes ALL sales of that product. The only "dealer sales" that would be a separate number is if they sold these in capsules with no boxes to dealers as they have sometimes done with proof silver eagles.
The mintage limit would include the same coin in different packaging. So, for example, if they put it in the limited edition silver proof set, those don't count against the "product limit" because it is a different product.
Thanks @derryb for posting update info and pics
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I will not be going after the Morgans and I love Morgans. They look terrible.
I may go for peace. Probably not.
HHL 25 and Oct Delivery kills the flip on most of these and I have zero interest in owning mass produced garbage bullion rounds, which is what these are.
"It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
Most of the original morgans and peace dollars were mass produced bullion in order to funnel money to silver mining industries. They certainly weren’t needed for commerce.
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I see $85 on the Mint's website which I assume may be for all coins. If the appearance is anything like the reverse of the 2006 Old Mint coins it will be as blah as the day is long.
Another big money maker for the Mint. If mintages are low, I won't even try. It'll be a waste of my time. I'll buy them on the secondary market or just skip it altogether. I have finally come to realize that the Mint is a catering entity for dealers and flippers. The average collector who wants one coin needs luck and patience, and I have little of each.
No frosted proofs?
I am waiting for them to issue the whole set in reverse poof, enhanced reverse proof, and enhanced uncirculated.
25 for HH limit seems way to high to me.
Prices and mintages now on Mint site.
Agreed, but this is to make it easier for the dealers and flippers. They are the Mint's customers and who they cater to.
These will all sell out in minutes.
who can re-sell 25 per ?
only dealers. flippers stand no chance on ebay with a 175,000 mintage per.
Product limit (for each of these sales) has been posted. Total mintage for each coin remains unannounced. This would include any other products listed in the future that included these coins such as a set. The decision to package them in mint offered sets is likely to be based on sales of the individual coins.
As with all precious metal coins these $85 prices may be subject to weekly repricing based on changes in spot. Remains to be seen, they are some hefty premium at $85.
"How many times can a man turn his head and pretend he just doesn’t see?” - Bob Dylan
My two cents on flipability:
"Remember the Alamo Mayflowers"
"How many times can a man turn his head and pretend he just doesn’t see?” - Bob Dylan
I was aware and that's a fair accusation, but at the end of the day, these new ones look like doggy doo.
"It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
Silver is Not subject to weekly repricing, only Gold, Platinum and Palladium...
No argument there. They went with their typical chrome finish and it looks wrong, just as the 2009 UHR looks wrong. I don’t know what their issue is with sticking to this kind of look. I guess it works for them. But a DCAM proof 2021 peace might look nice.
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