@VanHalen said:
I hope the mint provides an update this week. Otherwise we'll go back and forth until the cows come home.
Well they are saying they are working to update/fix the system and since they've known about these issues for at least 2 years these may be 2023 Morgans by time they figure it out.
Keep your eyes peeled for that TBD date. I have a feeling the mint will make their next move soon. Here's our current situation on this last day of May. Oh, and Happy Memorial Day everyone.
21xj and the two coin gold limited edition are going to be epic nut rolls
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@Mgarmy said:
21xj and the two coin gold limited edition are going to be epic nut rolls
I don't feel that the gold 2 coin will be anything special. Both just have regular proof finishes. There will be nothing to them them apart from the single coin releases. 21XJ on the other hand have reverse proof finishes and will be special.
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@Mgarmy said:
21xj and the two coin gold limited edition are going to be epic nut rolls
I don't feel that the gold 2 coin will be anything special. Both just have regular proof finishes. There will be nothing to them them apart from the single coin releases. 21XJ on the other hand have reverse proof finishes and will be special.
@Mgarmy said:
21xj and the two coin gold limited edition are going to be epic nut rolls
I don't feel that the gold 2 coin will be anything special. Both just have regular proof finishes. There will be nothing to them them apart from the single coin releases. 21XJ on the other hand have reverse proof finishes and will be special.
What I am thinking on these from reading and rereading the mints description is that both coins will be regular proof strikes, however both coins will be minted with the new obverse. Making the old reverse with the new obverse a 5000 mintage coin.
@Mgarmy said:
21xj and the two coin gold limited edition are going to be epic nut rolls
I don't feel that the gold 2 coin will be anything special. Both just have regular proof finishes. There will be nothing to them them apart from the single coin releases. 21XJ on the other hand have reverse proof finishes and will be special.
What I am thinking on these from reading and rereading the mints description is that both coins will be regular proof strikes, however both coins will be minted with the new obverse. Making the old reverse with the new obverse a 5000 mintage coin.
New obverse? I have not seen anything about a new obverse.
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@djm said:
What I am thinking on these from reading and rereading the mints description is that both coins will be regular proof strikes, however both coins will be minted with the new obverse. Making the old reverse with the new obverse a 5000 mintage coin.
Could be. That said, I 'read' the description differently.
From the 21XK product page:
~ "This stunning two-coin gold proof designer edition set contains a one-tenth ounce coin with the last of the original American Eagle Gold Coin designs and one with the first of the new designs."
~ "The 2021 American Eagle One Tenth Ounce Gold Two-Coin Set Designer Edition contains one original and one newly re-designed American Eagle One-Tenth Ounce Gold Proof Coin, a unique set for the serious collector."
@Mgarmy said:
21xj and the two coin gold limited edition are going to be epic nut rolls
I don't feel that the gold 2 coin will be anything special. Both just have regular proof finishes. There will be nothing to them them apart from the single coin releases. 21XJ on the other hand have reverse proof finishes and will be special.
What I am thinking on these from reading and rereading the mints description is that both coins will be regular proof strikes, however both coins will be minted with the new obverse. Making the old reverse with the new obverse a 5000 mintage coin.
New obverse? I have not seen anything about a new obverse.
Read the description of the 2021 Type 2 Proof Gold Obverse it talks about the enhancement or changes.
@Kliao said:
New obverse? I have not seen anything about a new obverse.
"The obverses (heads) of the redesigned American Eagle Gold and Silver Coins will continue to bear versions of the historic designs that have been featured on these coins for more than three decades. The gold coin obverse will display a refreshed depiction of the 1907 design by renowned sculptor Augustus Saint-Gaudens, while the obverse of the silver coin will display a refreshed depiction of the 1916 “Walking Liberty” design by famed sculptor Adolph A. Weinman."
Source: https://www.usmint.gov/news/press-releases/united-states-mint-unveils-new-american-eagle-gold-and-silver-coin-reverse-designs
@Mgarmy said:
21xj and the two coin gold limited edition are going to be epic nut rolls
I don't feel that the gold 2 coin will be anything special. Both just have regular proof finishes. There will be nothing to them them apart from the single coin releases. 21XJ on the other hand have reverse proof finishes and will be special.
What I am thinking on these from reading and rereading the mints description is that both coins will be regular proof strikes, however both coins will be minted with the new obverse. Making the old reverse with the new obverse a 5000 mintage coin.
New obverse? I have not seen anything about a new obverse.
Read the description of the 2021 Type 2 Proof Gold Obverse it talks about the enhancement or changes.
I still don’t see any different combos of new/old.
“ The 2021 obverse original design features a version of Augustus Saint-Gaudens’ full-length figure of Liberty with flowing hair, holding a torch in her right hand and an olive branch in her left.”
“ The 2021 obverse design on the new coin features the same Augustus Saint-Gaudens’ full- length figure of Liberty with flowing hair.”
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@RichR said:
Ok kids...be honest...how many of you will be hitting refresh tomorrow at noon “just in case”?
Not me. If they accidentally came available, they would cancel all orders. Happened once before when they accidentally went live before noon. Everyone who bought one had their order canceled.
What an amazingly ineffective numismatic press/media we have. We should not be having to parse the Mint's incredibly opaque pre-release descriptions.
And their shamefully bogus explanation of the problem - that these are being gobbled up by bullion stackers. At least we didn't need the numis-media to see that as ridiculous.
The vagueness of the descriptions we're pouring over might be a strategy to hype interest by keeping us guessing, but the press must have sources that can at least clarify some of this.
@HoneyMarket said:
I'm wondering what PFS Buyers Club must be thinking right now...
First, they're wondering if all of their buyers are going to get their already placed 10 qty orders, from last week, canceled by the Mint...
Second, they're wondering what to do going forward if there is an HHL placed on the other 4 releases...
Third, how are they going to put together 6 piece sets for premium sale if either of the 1st or 2nd (or both) above come true!
Have any PFS Buyers been contacted by PFS and care to share if there has been any guidance from PFS?
PFS doesn't really care. They can easily adjust. Even if they cut the HHL, PFS will just raise their ask which will draw in more buyers. I'd be willing to bet it will be harder to get coins not easier if they cut the HHL.
Hope the buyers club takes it in the shorts..don’t care how..scum sucking bottom feeders
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@HoneyMarket said:
I'm wondering what PFS Buyers Club must be thinking right now...
First, they're wondering if all of their buyers are going to get their already placed 10 qty orders, from last week, canceled by the Mint...
Second, they're wondering what to do going forward if there is an HHL placed on the other 4 releases...
Third, how are they going to put together 6 piece sets for premium sale if either of the 1st or 2nd (or both) above come true!
Have any PFS Buyers been contacted by PFS and care to share if there has been any guidance from PFS?
PFS doesn't really care. They can easily adjust. Even if they cut the HHL, PFS will just raise their ask which will draw in more buyers. I'd be willing to bet it will be harder to get coins not easier if they cut the HHL.
Agree to a point that they can easily adjust...
But...they also must be salivating at the thought of how much they can make off their investments if it all works in their favor.
With eBay prices acting like these coins are approaching Gamestock stock ($GME) returns...PFS's is looking to make a LOT of money based upon the pittance that they were paying out to their buyers.
At this point, I'm waiting for Elon Musk to start tweeting about these coins...just to drive the price higher!
@HoneyMarket said:
I'm wondering what PFS Buyers Club must be thinking right now...
First, they're wondering if all of their buyers are going to get their already placed 10 qty orders, from last week, canceled by the Mint...
Second, they're wondering what to do going forward if there is an HHL placed on the other 4 releases...
Third, how are they going to put together 6 piece sets for premium sale if either of the 1st or 2nd (or both) above come true!
Have any PFS Buyers been contacted by PFS and care to share if there has been any guidance from PFS?
PFS doesn't really care. They can easily adjust. Even if they cut the HHL, PFS will just raise their ask which will draw in more buyers. I'd be willing to bet it will be harder to get coins not easier if they cut the HHL.
Agree to a point that they can easily adjust...
But...they also must be salivating at the thought of how much they can make off their investments if it all works in their favor.
With eBay prices acting like these coins are approaching Gamestock stock ($GME) returns...PFS's is looking to make a LOT of money based upon the pittance that they were paying out to their buyers.
At this point, I'm waiting for Elon Musk to start tweeting about these coins...just to drive the price higher!
@Kliao said:
New obverse? I have not seen anything about a new obverse.
"The obverses (heads) of the redesigned American Eagle Gold and Silver Coins will continue to bear versions of the historic designs that have been featured on these coins for more than three decades. The gold coin obverse will display a refreshed depiction of the 1907 design by renowned sculptor Augustus Saint-Gaudens, while the obverse of the silver coin will display a refreshed depiction of the 1916 “Walking Liberty” design by famed sculptor Adolph A. Weinman."
Source: https://www.usmint.gov/news/press-releases/united-states-mint-unveils-new-american-eagle-gold-and-silver-coin-reverse-designs
Pondering what "refreshed" means in Mint lingo & what, if any value the signed, numbered COA brings.
Do you think making under $300 is almost doubling your money?
8 x $85 = $680 (their cost), $1325 - $680 = $645 (their profit) as stated "they almost doubled their money" minus whatever fees ebay charges. I don't know what that is 10%? Even if so, over $500 profit still close to doubling their money.
@younique said: Pondering what "refreshed" means in Mint lingo & what, if any value the signed, numbered COA brings.
For the ASE, from the 'product page' for 21EAN:
"Thanks to modern design technology, the updated obverse is a closer reflection of Weinman’s original vision and includes the addition of his traditional artist mark."
For the AGE, from the 'product page' for 21EBN:
"Legacy details have been restored for the obverse design to include modifications to the Capitol Building, stars, torch, sun rays, and other design elements based on the original bronze cast."
@cagcrisp said:
21XC MORGAN SILVER DOLLAR CC PRIVY MARK 174,235 99.6% of availability
21XD MORGAN SILVER DOLLAR O PRIVY MARK 174,325 99.6% of availability...
@cagcrisp said:
21XC MORGAN SILVER DOLLAR CC PRIVY MARK 174,235 99.6% of availability
21XD MORGAN SILVER DOLLAR O PRIVY MARK 174,325 99.6% of availability...
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Well they are saying they are working to update/fix the system and since they've known about these issues for at least 2 years these may be 2023 Morgans by time they figure it out.
It may have sold for more with a 1¢ start
I would not sell on the bay till I know what is going to happen first. But I do think we will get the coins a lot sooner than planned.
Hoard the keys.
$360 and 10 hours left
https://www.ebay.com/itm/124739800387
Why or what makes you think that ?
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
Keep your eyes peeled for that TBD date. I have a feeling the mint will make their next move soon. Here's our current situation on this last day of May. Oh, and Happy Memorial Day everyone.
Happy Memorial Day
From: The US Mint
To: All You Suckers
Just kidding...we're back on for tomorrow!
WHOA HA HA HA HA HA!!!
Wonder what the delay will mean for the Gold eagle rollout set for 7/8. Overlap? That would be disaster!
ouch - https://www.ebay.com/itm/254991245156
They almost doubled their money
More worried about the BIG Release on July 1.
I suspect we have a lot of 25 subs for that ASE.
this is another product they need to lower the HHL on
21xj and the two coin gold limited edition are going to be epic nut rolls
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I don't feel that the gold 2 coin will be anything special. Both just have regular proof finishes. There will be nothing to them them apart from the single coin releases. 21XJ on the other hand have reverse proof finishes and will be special.
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the congratulations set says otherwise
What I am thinking on these from reading and rereading the mints description is that both coins will be regular proof strikes, however both coins will be minted with the new obverse. Making the old reverse with the new obverse a 5000 mintage coin.
New obverse? I have not seen anything about a new obverse.
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we had over 700 auctions on ebay, now we are just above 600
Could be. That said, I 'read' the description differently.
From the 21XK product page:
~ "This stunning two-coin gold proof designer edition set contains a one-tenth ounce coin with the last of the original American Eagle Gold Coin designs and one with the first of the new designs."
~ "The 2021 American Eagle One Tenth Ounce Gold Two-Coin Set Designer Edition contains one original and one newly re-designed American Eagle One-Tenth Ounce Gold Proof Coin, a unique set for the serious collector."
I interpret this to mean a 21EE and a 21EEN.
Read the description of the 2021 Type 2 Proof Gold Obverse it talks about the enhancement or changes.
when have they actually enhanced an existing design?
"The obverses (heads) of the redesigned American Eagle Gold and Silver Coins will continue to bear versions of the historic designs that have been featured on these coins for more than three decades. The gold coin obverse will display a refreshed depiction of the 1907 design by renowned sculptor Augustus Saint-Gaudens, while the obverse of the silver coin will display a refreshed depiction of the 1916 “Walking Liberty” design by famed sculptor Adolph A. Weinman."
Source: https://www.usmint.gov/news/press-releases/united-states-mint-unveils-new-american-eagle-gold-and-silver-coin-reverse-designs
I still don’t see any different combos of new/old.
“ The 2021 obverse original design features a version of Augustus Saint-Gaudens’ full-length figure of Liberty with flowing hair, holding a torch in her right hand and an olive branch in her left.”
“ The 2021 obverse design on the new coin features the same Augustus Saint-Gaudens’ full- length figure of Liberty with flowing hair.”
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Jefferson's hair on the nickel. Washington's hair on the quarter. They do, every now and then.
Ok kids...be honest...how many of you will be hitting refresh tomorrow at noon “just in case”?
Not me. If they accidentally came available, they would cancel all orders. Happened once before when they accidentally went live before noon. Everyone who bought one had their order canceled.
I'm wondering what PFS Buyers Club must be thinking right now...
First, they're wondering if all of their buyers are going to get their already placed 10 qty orders, from last week, canceled by the Mint...
Second, they're wondering what to do going forward if there is an HHL placed on the other 4 releases...
Third, how are they going to put together 6 piece sets for premium sale if either of the 1st or 2nd (or both) above come true!
Have any PFS Buyers been contacted by PFS and care to share if there has been any guidance from PFS?
BST references available on request
What an amazingly ineffective numismatic press/media we have. We should not be having to parse the Mint's incredibly opaque pre-release descriptions.
And their shamefully bogus explanation of the problem - that these are being gobbled up by bullion stackers. At least we didn't need the numis-media to see that as ridiculous.
The vagueness of the descriptions we're pouring over might be a strategy to hype interest by keeping us guessing, but the press must have sources that can at least clarify some of this.
PFS doesn't really care. They can easily adjust. Even if they cut the HHL, PFS will just raise their ask which will draw in more buyers. I'd be willing to bet it will be harder to get coins not easier if they cut the HHL.
Hope the buyers club takes it in the shorts..don’t care how..scum sucking bottom feeders
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Agree to a point that they can easily adjust...
But...they also must be salivating at the thought of how much they can make off their investments if it all works in their favor.
With eBay prices acting like these coins are approaching Gamestock stock ($GME) returns...PFS's is looking to make a LOT of money based upon the pittance that they were paying out to their buyers.
At this point, I'm waiting for Elon Musk to start tweeting about these coins...just to drive the price higher!
BST references available on request
Prices are already dropping to my eyes.
Pondering what "refreshed" means in Mint lingo & what, if any value the signed, numbered COA brings.
Do you think making under $300 is almost doubling your money?
8 x $85 = $680 (their cost), $1325 - $680 = $645 (their profit) as stated "they almost doubled their money" minus whatever fees ebay charges. I don't know what that is 10%? Even if so, over $500 profit still close to doubling their money.
my mistake. I saw the 850 in the photo on the ebay listing and didnt subtract 2 for only selling 8.
For the ASE, from the 'product page' for 21EAN:
"Thanks to modern design technology, the updated obverse is a closer reflection of Weinman’s original vision and includes the addition of his traditional artist mark."
For the AGE, from the 'product page' for 21EBN:
"Legacy details have been restored for the obverse design to include modifications to the Capitol Building, stars, torch, sun rays, and other design elements based on the original bronze cast."
21XC MORGAN SILVER DOLLAR CC PRIVY MARK 174,235 99.6% of availability
21XD MORGAN SILVER DOLLAR O PRIVY MARK 174,325 99.6% of availability...
So, there’s still a chance to get another!!
;-)
BST references available on request
It is interesting how the Mint listed the Morgan Silver Dollars on the sales report.
The Mint did Not use the year in the listing like 96% of the other offerings.
The Only offerings without a year are the Silver medals and the two Morgan Silver Dollars…
.
I would guess this means that the privy mark Morgan’s are a one year only production.
may not have had room in the database entry
That has ALWAYS been my assumption for the two privy coins...
That's why I was ALL in on the CC and O had no desire for the No Mint mark Philadelphia, the D or the S...
It seems that none of the dealers are buying these. Does not bode well for much appreciation.
That's what happens when they eff up the distribution. Momentum is lost. Everyone is waiting to see what changes they make.
You may get waves of cancelations
Everybody said they needed to do something. They did.
interesting.
so interesting I'd like to hear more on what you tried or heard
no one said they will stop shipping in october nor will retroactively decrease the limit from 10
no one knows that distribution has changed.
I've tried several dealers.
One said they were getting them from their employees at $10 over issue.
Another not buying.
Another will decide once they ship.
Certainly not what we've seen w truly hot issues.