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Poll: Would you rather have the MS65 Brasher or the 1822 $5?

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  • oldabeintxoldabeintx Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS65 Brasher Doubloon

    I collect type, including colonial type. No contest.

  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,119 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1822 $5?

    I love true rarity and I don't consider Brasher to be a US gov issue. It is a high end Bleacher or Cal assayer issue to these eyes

  • PillarDollarCollectorPillarDollarCollector Posts: 4,229 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS65 Brasher Doubloon

    Brasher

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  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 8,668 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS65 Brasher Doubloon

    Brasher is bigger and more well-known.

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  • pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 6,356 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1822 $5?

    Well, other than choosing the same as Al, for MANY of the same reasons ...

    ... and against the grain it seems, at least early on ...

    I would prefer the 1822 given only those two choices. To me it is more historically significant in the pretense of the US Mint, and therefore US produced coinage.


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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 9,915 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 5, 2021 4:16PM
    MS65 Brasher Doubloon

    Wasn't the Brasher Doubloon NGC? And which if either stickered? If it didn't sticker does it even count/exist? >:)

    Edited: It looks like the Brasher stickered but the 1822 $5 did not... definitely going with the Brasher. You could also set a record (or at least tie) for the most expensive crossover fee. o:)

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 44,842 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1822 $5?

    The 1822 gold $5 was actually issued for circulation and actually circulated in the channels of commerce. It's also unique for all intents and purposes since the other two are impounded in the Smithsonian Institution. Technically, the Brasher doubloon is a token and not even a coin since it wasn't officially authorized and issued by a government entity. That said, I'd love to own one.

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  • TurtleCatTurtleCat Posts: 4,583 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS65 Brasher Doubloon

    The doubloon. I’ve heard about it since before I even started collecting as a young child. The other I didn’t hear about for a long time. And the doubloon is larger. :)

  • ernie11ernie11 Posts: 1,879 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 5, 2021 12:33PM
    1822 $5?

    These days, the bias is more towards condition, so I can understand people choosing the Brasher. But I still go for the 1822 - even as a kid decades ago, this was a legendary coin to me. Back in the 1970's the Smithsonian had a lot of its numismatic collection on display in one of the rooms of the Museum of History and Technology. I saw the display, and was in awe of so many rarities all in one place. My memory may be bad but I thought I saw one of the 1804 dollars and one of the 1913 Liberty nickels. But I can kick myself now for not remembering whether or not one of their 1822's was on display the day I was there.

  • david3142david3142 Posts: 3,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS65 Brasher Doubloon

    I chose the Doubloon. While I would normally go with the official US mint product, I can’t escape that the 1822 just wasn’t visually appealing to me when I viewed the Pogue lots. I was ready to be wowed by such a phenomenal rarity but the coin itself isn’t particularly attractive (again, to me). I have not had the privilege of holding the 65* Brasher but from the images I’ve seen it looks beautiful.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,037 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Neither.

    I would rather have the Chain Cent that Alan Weinberg had that sold for just over a million.

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  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,884 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 5, 2021 1:07PM
    MS65 Brasher Doubloon

    The 1822 $5?

    You mean the one that looks pretty much exactly like the 95,428 1813s?

    And all the 1814, 1815, 1818, 1819, 1820, 1821?

    And the 1823, 1824, 1825, the '26, '27, '28, and 1829? And the 30, 31, 32, 33, 34?

    I've been a coin collector for 45+ years and I literally had to open my Red Book up to see what makes the 1822 $5 special. Turns out not much.

    I'll take the doubloon.

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  • TheRavenTheRaven Posts: 4,143 ✭✭✭✭
    1822 $5?
    1. Having something no other collector would have, would just be fun.
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  • PillarDollarCollectorPillarDollarCollector Posts: 4,229 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 5, 2021 8:33PM
    MS65 Brasher Doubloon

    @BillJones said:
    Neither.

    I would rather have the Chain Cent that Alan Weinberg had that sold for just over a million.

    I will take a 1894-S dime. And enjoy the money saved and living the good life.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 44,842 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1822 $5?

    @Weiss said:

    I've been a coin collector for 45+ years and I literally had to open my Red Book up to see what makes the 1822 $5 special. Turns out not much.

    You don't consider a US coin that is unique to be special? :o

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  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,884 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS65 Brasher Doubloon

    @PerryHall said:

    @Weiss said:

    I've been a coin collector for 45+ years and I literally had to open my Red Book up to see what makes the 1822 $5 special. Turns out not much.

    You don't consider a US coin that is unique to be special? :o

    My point is that it's not unique. Not by a long shot. If you would like a nice example of a capped bust $5 gold piece, our host has graded nearly 2,000. They've graded another few thousand ATS. There are a couple dozen for sale on eBay right now, a few really pretty ones on HA, too.

    If you want a Brasher doubloon, though, there are 7. Period.

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  • CWT1863CWT1863 Posts: 316 ✭✭✭✭
    MS65 Brasher Doubloon

    I picked the Brasher but in reality I would likely choose a 1850 $10 Baldwin & Co. or a confederate half dollar. These would likely cost around $1 million so would leave more to spend on building collections in areas where I have more interest such as Civil War tokens and numismatic literature.

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  • NSPNSP Posts: 322 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1822 $5?

    I would take the 1822 $5 all day, every day. Only one is in private hands, and the fact that it’s the key date in a series where nearly every date is very rare only adds to the appeal.

  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,318 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1822 $5?

    The 1822 half eagle. After all, I do have the QDB book on this subject.

    Seriously, one of the ultimate rarities in the U. S. Federal series. A nice grade also. I like this coin a lot!

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  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1822 $5?

    1822 $5 for me.

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,015 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1822 $5?

    1822 $5 for me to

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 31,840 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1822 $5?

    do I get cash for the difference ?

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  • NysotoNysoto Posts: 3,717 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 5, 2021 8:14PM
    1822 $5?

    Definitely the 1822 $5 for me (not that I will bid!). Absolute rarity wins, the rarest coin from the First Mint that was intended for circulation.

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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,076 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS65 Brasher Doubloon

    I’d have to choose the Brasher

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 11,081 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Weiss said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @Weiss said:

    I've been a coin collector for 45+ years and I literally had to open my Red Book up to see what makes the 1822 $5 special. Turns out not much.

    You don't consider a US coin that is unique to be special? :o

    My point is that it's not unique. Not by a long shot. If you would like a nice example of a capped bust $5 gold piece, our host has graded nearly 2,000. They've graded another few thousand ATS. There are a couple dozen for sale on eBay right now, a few really pretty ones on HA, too.

    If you want a Brasher doubloon, though, there are 7. Period.

    There is one 1870-S Half Dime known. It would be highly inaccurate to state that “it’s not unique, not by a long shot” just because there are thousands of other Seated Half Dimes available.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,076 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS65 Brasher Doubloon

    @MFeld said:

    @Weiss said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @Weiss said:

    I've been a coin collector for 45+ years and I literally had to open my Red Book up to see what makes the 1822 $5 special. Turns out not much.

    You don't consider a US coin that is unique to be special? :o

    My point is that it's not unique. Not by a long shot. If you would like a nice example of a capped bust $5 gold piece, our host has graded nearly 2,000. They've graded another few thousand ATS. There are a couple dozen for sale on eBay right now, a few really pretty ones on HA, too.

    If you want a Brasher doubloon, though, there are 7. Period.

    There is one 1870-S Half Dime known. It would be highly inaccurate to state that “it’s not unique, not by a long shot” just because there are thousands of other Seated Half Dimes available.

    While this technical point is true, it is also true that the 1822 is not unique by a long shot. Just as the 1933 $20 is not unique by a long shot. Just because the other specimens aren’t available at this time does not make a coin unique

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 31,840 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1822 $5?

    one of 3 ... one of 7...

    gov't issue. even though it is missing a great backstory. though "not in the smithsonian" might be a good story by itself.

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 11,081 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @tradedollarnut said:

    @MFeld said:

    @Weiss said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @Weiss said:

    I've been a coin collector for 45+ years and I literally had to open my Red Book up to see what makes the 1822 $5 special. Turns out not much.

    You don't consider a US coin that is unique to be special? :o

    My point is that it's not unique. Not by a long shot. If you would like a nice example of a capped bust $5 gold piece, our host has graded nearly 2,000. They've graded another few thousand ATS. There are a couple dozen for sale on eBay right now, a few really pretty ones on HA, too.

    If you want a Brasher doubloon, though, there are 7. Period.

    There is one 1870-S Half Dime known. It would be highly inaccurate to state that “it’s not unique, not by a long shot” just because there are thousands of other Seated Half Dimes available.

    While this technical point is true, it is also true that the 1822 is not unique by a long shot. Just as the 1933 $20 is not unique by a long shot. Just because the other specimens aren’t available at this time does not make a coin unique

    Certainly agreed on both of those. I was just addressing the post by Weiss and in doing so, provided an example for which there actually is just one known.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,884 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS65 Brasher Doubloon

    @MFeld I disagree, but that is why I don't collect series.
    Your analogy is 100% accurate: I wouldn't oooh and aaah over an 1894-S Barber dime or an 1893-S Morgan, unless they were gorgeous specimens in fantastic grade. Especially when you can buy a high grade example of a Morgan dollar or a Barber dime for a few hundred to a few thousand dollars.

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 11,081 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 5, 2021 5:05PM

    @Weiss said:
    @MFeld I disagree, but that is why I don't collect series.
    Your analogy is 100% accurate: I wouldn't oooh and aaah over an 1894-S Barber dime or an 1893-S Morgan, unless they were gorgeous specimens in fantastic grade. Especially when you can buy a high grade example of a Morgan dollar or a Barber dime for a few hundred to a few thousand dollars.

    I understand about your collecting preference. But if you disagree, it’s because you’re assigning a different/new meaning to the word “unique”. Why not be accurate and just say such and such coin isn’t unique (or even rare) for its type, instead?😉

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  • breakdownbreakdown Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS65 Brasher Doubloon

    Tough choice as I think I they are both great, historic coins.
    So at the risk of being mocked again, I still lean toward the coin Philip Marlowe spent a whole novel (and movie) chasing around. Plus the Brasher is one beautiful looking piece of history.

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  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 6,266 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS65 Brasher Doubloon

    From purely a design standpoint, I prefer the brasher vs the “more common” design of the 2.5 coin.

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,735 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS65 Brasher Doubloon

    @tradedollarnut said:

    @MFeld said:

    @Weiss said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @Weiss said:

    I've been a coin collector for 45+ years and I literally had to open my Red Book up to see what makes the 1822 $5 special. Turns out not much.

    You don't consider a US coin that is unique to be special? :o

    My point is that it's not unique. Not by a long shot. If you would like a nice example of a capped bust $5 gold piece, our host has graded nearly 2,000. They've graded another few thousand ATS. There are a couple dozen for sale on eBay right now, a few really pretty ones on HA, too.

    If you want a Brasher doubloon, though, there are 7. Period.

    There is one 1870-S Half Dime known. It would be highly inaccurate to state that “it’s not unique, not by a long shot” just because there are thousands of other Seated Half Dimes available.

    While this technical point is true, it is also true that the 1822 is not unique by a long shot. Just as the 1933 $20 is not unique by a long shot. Just because the other specimens aren’t available at this time does not make a coin unique

    Agree 100%.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,735 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 5, 2021 7:59PM
    MS65 Brasher Doubloon

    @Catbert said:
    From purely a design standpoint, I prefer the brasher vs the “more common” design of the 2.5 coin.

    This too. The Brasher is an amazing looking to behold. I don't get the same feeling looking at the 1822 which looks like many other coins aside from the last digit.

  • ScoobyDoo2ScoobyDoo2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS65 Brasher Doubloon

    I'll take a '52 Mantle....:)

  • savitalesavitale Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS65 Brasher Doubloon

    The most famous coin and a long time holder of the Most Valuable title.

  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 8,392 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1822 $5?

    A true US coin for sure. I can dream. Peace Roy

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  • QCCoinGuyQCCoinGuy Posts: 317 ✭✭✭✭
    MS65 Brasher Doubloon

    It comes down to why we collect. Is it the story, or is it about plugging holes? The 1822 half eagle plugs a hole in the federal series. Granted, it’s a hole not many collectors have ever been able to fill. But the Brasher tells a story, and a great one at that. Brasher all day long.

  • SmEagle1795SmEagle1795 Posts: 2,130 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS65 Brasher Doubloon

    I'm a type collector, not a date collector, so I'll pick the Brasher.

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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS65 Brasher Doubloon

    To me the obsolete one of a kind design trumps a rare date

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  • CalifornianKingCalifornianKing Posts: 1,259 ✭✭✭✭
    1822 $5?

    I'm a strickly US coin collector so 1822 $5 is the easy choice (yes technically the brasher is a us coin but not a goverment issue.)

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 23,730 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 5, 2021 8:35PM
    MS65 Brasher Doubloon

    The Brasher, by far. Not because it's the better coin, but because the collection that could be built around it has more appeal to me than the collection that could be built around the 1822. That, plus the Brasher is probably more valuable.

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  • WCCWCC Posts: 2,188 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 5, 2021 9:25PM
    1822 $5?

    I consider the 1822 $5 the #1 US Mint regular issue coin. However, I think the Brasher has better credentials even though I would personally prefer the 1822 $5. If I had the money for either, I would also actually buy neither.

  • HoledandCreativeHoledandCreative Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Both. If I had the money to buy the Brasher, I would have plenty left for the 1822 $5. Having that deep of pockets, wouldn't it be fun to "collect" issues of less than 10 or 20 or pick a number of issues known?

  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1822 $5?

    Nothing against the Brasher but I would prefer the 1822 $5.

  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 19,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS65 Brasher Doubloon

    1787 is a prime number, so I could use it in my set. 1822, not so much.

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1822 $5?

    While I know the history, the Brasher design never really struck me as looking US.

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 44,842 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1822 $5?

    @amwldcoin said:
    While I know the history, the Brasher design never really struck me as looking US.

    The Brasher doubloon is a token and not a coin since it was issued by a private individual. Also, "doubloon" is a foreign denomination. In other words, it's a foreign token. ;)

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  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,592 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1822 $5?

    The 1822 $5.

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