Poll: Would you rather have the MS65 Brasher or the 1822 $5?
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Poll: Would you rather have the MS65 Brasher or the 1822 $5?
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to be honest, I would rather have the cash then either coin. with the money I could have a positive effect on the lives of several people, the coin would just make me feel good.
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I love true rarity and I don't consider Brasher to be a US gov issue. It is a high end Bleacher or Cal assayer issue to these eyes
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Brasher
Brasher is bigger and more well-known.
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Well, other than choosing the same as Al, for MANY of the same reasons ...
... and against the grain it seems, at least early on ...
I would prefer the 1822 given only those two choices. To me it is more historically significant in the pretense of the US Mint, and therefore US produced coinage.
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Wasn't the Brasher Doubloon NGC? And which if either stickered? If it didn't sticker does it even count/exist?
Edited: It looks like the Brasher stickered but the 1822 $5 did not... definitely going with the Brasher. You could also set a record (or at least tie) for the most expensive crossover fee.
The 1822 gold $5 was actually issued for circulation and actually circulated in the channels of commerce. It's also unique for all intents and purposes since the other two are impounded in the Smithsonian Institution. Technically, the Brasher doubloon is a token and not even a coin since it wasn't officially authorized and issued by a government entity. That said, I'd love to own one.
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The doubloon. I’ve heard about it since before I even started collecting as a young child. The other I didn’t hear about for a long time. And the doubloon is larger.
These days, the bias is more towards condition, so I can understand people choosing the Brasher. But I still go for the 1822 - even as a kid decades ago, this was a legendary coin to me. Back in the 1970's the Smithsonian had a lot of its numismatic collection on display in one of the rooms of the Museum of History and Technology. I saw the display, and was in awe of so many rarities all in one place. My memory may be bad but I thought I saw one of the 1804 dollars and one of the 1913 Liberty nickels. But I can kick myself now for not remembering whether or not one of their 1822's was on display the day I was there.
I chose the Doubloon. While I would normally go with the official US mint product, I can’t escape that the 1822 just wasn’t visually appealing to me when I viewed the Pogue lots. I was ready to be wowed by such a phenomenal rarity but the coin itself isn’t particularly attractive (again, to me). I have not had the privilege of holding the 65* Brasher but from the images I’ve seen it looks beautiful.
Neither.
I would rather have the Chain Cent that Alan Weinberg had that sold for just over a million.
The 1822 $5?
You mean the one that looks pretty much exactly like the 95,428 1813s?
And all the 1814, 1815, 1818, 1819, 1820, 1821?
And the 1823, 1824, 1825, the '26, '27, '28, and 1829? And the 30, 31, 32, 33, 34?
I've been a coin collector for 45+ years and I literally had to open my Red Book up to see what makes the 1822 $5 special. Turns out not much.
I'll take the doubloon.
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I will take a 1894-S dime. And enjoy the money saved and living the good life.
You don't consider a US coin that is unique to be special?
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My point is that it's not unique. Not by a long shot. If you would like a nice example of a capped bust $5 gold piece, our host has graded nearly 2,000. They've graded another few thousand ATS. There are a couple dozen for sale on eBay right now, a few really pretty ones on HA, too.
If you want a Brasher doubloon, though, there are 7. Period.
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I picked the Brasher but in reality I would likely choose a 1850 $10 Baldwin & Co. or a confederate half dollar. These would likely cost around $1 million so would leave more to spend on building collections in areas where I have more interest such as Civil War tokens and numismatic literature.
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I would take the 1822 $5 all day, every day. Only one is in private hands, and the fact that it’s the key date in a series where nearly every date is very rare only adds to the appeal.
The 1822 half eagle. After all, I do have the QDB book on this subject.
Seriously, one of the ultimate rarities in the U. S. Federal series. A nice grade also. I like this coin a lot!
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1822 $5 for me.
1822 $5 for me to
do I get cash for the difference ?
Definitely the 1822 $5 for me (not that I will bid!). Absolute rarity wins, the rarest coin from the First Mint that was intended for circulation.
I’d have to choose the Brasher
There is one 1870-S Half Dime known. It would be highly inaccurate to state that “it’s not unique, not by a long shot” just because there are thousands of other Seated Half Dimes available.
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While this technical point is true, it is also true that the 1822 is not unique by a long shot. Just as the 1933 $20 is not unique by a long shot. Just because the other specimens aren’t available at this time does not make a coin unique
one of 3 ... one of 7...
gov't issue. even though it is missing a great backstory. though "not in the smithsonian" might be a good story by itself.
Certainly agreed on both of those. I was just addressing the post by Weiss and in doing so, provided an example for which there actually is just one known.
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@MFeld I disagree, but that is why I don't collect series.
Your analogy is 100% accurate: I wouldn't oooh and aaah over an 1894-S Barber dime or an 1893-S Morgan, unless they were gorgeous specimens in fantastic grade. Especially when you can buy a high grade example of a Morgan dollar or a Barber dime for a few hundred to a few thousand dollars.
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I understand about your collecting preference. But if you disagree, it’s because you’re assigning a different/new meaning to the word “unique”. Why not be accurate and just say such and such coin isn’t unique (or even rare) for its type, instead?😉
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Tough choice as I think I they are both great, historic coins.
So at the risk of being mocked again, I still lean toward the coin Philip Marlowe spent a whole novel (and movie) chasing around. Plus the Brasher is one beautiful looking piece of history.
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From purely a design standpoint, I prefer the brasher vs the “more common” design of the 2.5 coin.
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Agree 100%.
This too. The Brasher is an amazing looking to behold. I don't get the same feeling looking at the 1822 which looks like many other coins aside from the last digit.
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It comes down to why we collect. Is it the story, or is it about plugging holes? The 1822 half eagle plugs a hole in the federal series. Granted, it’s a hole not many collectors have ever been able to fill. But the Brasher tells a story, and a great one at that. Brasher all day long.
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I'm a type collector, not a date collector, so I'll pick the Brasher.
To me the obsolete one of a kind design trumps a rare date
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I'm a strickly US coin collector so 1822 $5 is the easy choice (yes technically the brasher is a us coin but not a goverment issue.)
The Brasher, by far. Not because it's the better coin, but because the collection that could be built around it has more appeal to me than the collection that could be built around the 1822. That, plus the Brasher is probably more valuable.
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I consider the 1822 $5 the #1 US Mint regular issue coin. However, I think the Brasher has better credentials even though I would personally prefer the 1822 $5. If I had the money for either, I would also actually buy neither.
Both. If I had the money to buy the Brasher, I would have plenty left for the 1822 $5. Having that deep of pockets, wouldn't it be fun to "collect" issues of less than 10 or 20 or pick a number of issues known?
Nothing against the Brasher but I would prefer the 1822 $5.
1787 is a prime number, so I could use it in my set. 1822, not so much.
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While I know the history, the Brasher design never really struck me as looking US.
The Brasher doubloon is a token and not a coin since it was issued by a private individual. Also, "doubloon" is a foreign denomination. In other words, it's a foreign token.
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The 1822 $5.