Numismatic author & owner of the Uncommon Cents collections. 2011 Fred Bowman award winner, 2020 J. Douglas Ferguson award winner, & 2022 Paul Fiocca award winner.
Oops. The 1882-H specimen cent I posted above was SP-66RB. Here is the Belzberg 65 Red. My mistake.
Numismatic author & owner of the Uncommon Cents collections. 2011 Fred Bowman award winner, 2020 J. Douglas Ferguson award winner, & 2022 Paul Fiocca award winner.
I love Newfoundland coinage! The 1940-C five-cents is a slightly better date in AU. The two half dollars would both be considered "generics" for their series and their values would contain a premium on top of, but still tied tightly to, bullion.
@TomB said:
I think it's pretty dang special. It is beautiful.
Hey Tom,
No, absolutely love the coin!!! I was speaking about the cert number, four consecutive zeroes along with a 2,3,4 and 5 (but out of order). Just something my OCD mind would notice!!!
Speaking of wood grain surfaces, here is another one that I don't think I've shared. This time Canada, not Newfoundland, but another George V large cent. This 1919 got the somewhat uncommon grade of MS62BN. One of the absolute most dramatic woodgrain patterns I've seen.
No modern TrueView for this coin, it is either an early generation PCGS image or scan. But these images are courtesy of Michael Kittle, @illini420 who always does an outstanding job!!
It has some light abrasion and hairlines suggesting it had been lightly scuffed or wiped. That may have dropped the grade a level or two as a result.
I'm having trouble figuring out the grading for these coins. Coins with similar surface wear can be several grades apart and likewise, a particular grade will show considerable variation in surface wear. I need to hit a coin show or two and talk to people who deal or collect these Victorian Newfoundland halves.
It has some light abrasion and hairlines suggesting it had been lightly scuffed or wiped. That may have dropped the grade a level or two as a result.
I'm having trouble figuring out the grading for these coins. Coins with similar surface wear can be several grades apart and likewise, a particular grade will show considerable variation in surface wear. I need to hit a coin show or two and talk to people who deal or collect these Victorian Newfoundland halves.
I believe I know what you mean with respect to grading. It seems that in many ways the situation is similar to grading US Barber half dollars in the same grade range. This may read very odd (heck, it may even be very odd) but I used to get frustrated by how TPGs graded circulated Barber half dollars until I had seen enough of them that my own version of the grading scale was in my head and I would just grade them automatically. Please note that "my own version" wasn't based upon some fantasy, but was simply derived from looking at scads of coins until I knew immediately what it is I wanted at each grade level with respect to how they were graded by the TPGs.
I'm not at that level yet with Newfoundland pieces, but a goal of mine is to get that comfortable with these coins.
I believe I know what you mean with respect to grading. It seems that in many ways the situation is similar to grading US Barber half dollars in the same grade range. This may read very odd (heck, it may even be very odd) but I used to get frustrated by how TPGs graded circulated Barber half dollars until I had seen enough of them that my own version of the grading scale was in my head and I would just grade them automatically. Please note that "my own version" wasn't based upon some fantasy, but was simply derived from looking at scads of coins until I knew immediately what it is I wanted at each grade level with respect to how they were graded by the TPGs.
I'm not at that level yet with Newfoundland pieces, but a goal of mine is to get that comfortable with these coins.
Exactly, TomB! I do the same as well with coin grading, developing my own cues for grading that best fit conservative TPG grading standards.
This reminds me of my insect taxonomic work with pupal exuviae where the distinction between intraspecific and interspecific variation within a large genus isn't clear until you look at enough material and then voila! - it all falls into place in your mind.
I hear ya on Barber Halves! I remember back in the day when folks tried to pull the old B+D drawings as a grading guide on me demanding every letter of Liberty had to be clear to grade F. It is an extremely rare Barber Half that has a clear Liberty where all the rest of the details of the coin are F, They usually meet the standards of VF! The only exception to this are those dated 1909.
It has some light abrasion and hairlines suggesting it had been lightly scuffed or wiped. That may have dropped the grade a level or two as a result.
I'm having trouble figuring out the grading for these coins. Coins with similar surface wear can be several grades apart and likewise, a particular grade will show considerable variation in surface wear. I need to hit a coin show or two and talk to people who deal or collect these Victorian Newfoundland halves.
I believe I know what you mean with respect to grading. It seems that in many ways the situation is similar to grading US Barber half dollars in the same grade range. This may read very odd (heck, it may even be very odd) but I used to get frustrated by how TPGs graded circulated Barber half dollars until I had seen enough of them that my own version of the grading scale was in my head and I would just grade them automatically. Please note that "my own version" wasn't based upon some fantasy, but was simply derived from looking at scads of coins until I knew immediately what it is I wanted at each grade level with respect to how they were graded by the TPGs.
I'm not at that level yet with Newfoundland pieces, but a goal of mine is to get that comfortable with these coins.
Barry Borseliono is a undisputed expert in NFL coins.
he wrote a book (unpublished) as far as I know. the book is all about NFL coins and its varieties.
if anyone wants his email please PM me.
Not on a level with most of the others posted to this thread, but, after many years of dormancy, I finally completed my Newfoundland Type Set with help on the last 3 from Frank Robinson's latest sale.
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@WorldGold - Nice specimen 1858 cent.
http://www.victoriancent.com
Oops. The 1882-H specimen cent I posted above was SP-66RB. Here is the Belzberg 65 Red. My mistake.
http://www.victoriancent.com
Some recent inexpensive toners off of eBay
am just curious, is this your coin?
this is one fantastic sample of beauty.
Wonderful pieces being posted to this thread. This is terrific.
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Happy I found this thread. I have a few I need to get much better images of, but here is what I have on hand.
I would be interested to hear if any of these are noteworthy.
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Busy chasing Carr's . . . . . woof!
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A copper as well.
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Busy chasing Carr's . . . . . woof!
Successful BST transactions with: Bullsitter, Downtown1974, P0CKETCHANGE, Twobitcollector, AKbeez, DCW, Illini420, ProofCollection, DCarr, Cazkaboom, RichieURich, LukeMarshall, carew4me, BustDMs, coinsarefun, PreTurb, felinfoal, jwitten, GoldenEgg, pruebas, lazybones, COCollector, CuKevin, MWallace, USMC_6115, NamVet69, zippcity, . . . . who'd I forget?
I love Newfoundland coinage! The 1940-C five-cents is a slightly better date in AU. The two half dollars would both be considered "generics" for their series and their values would contain a premium on top of, but still tied tightly to, bullion.
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And then, the medals. Numismatic medals . . .
Z
Busy chasing Carr's . . . . . woof!
Successful BST transactions with: Bullsitter, Downtown1974, P0CKETCHANGE, Twobitcollector, AKbeez, DCW, Illini420, ProofCollection, DCarr, Cazkaboom, RichieURich, LukeMarshall, carew4me, BustDMs, coinsarefun, PreTurb, felinfoal, jwitten, GoldenEgg, pruebas, lazybones, COCollector, CuKevin, MWallace, USMC_6115, NamVet69, zippcity, . . . . who'd I forget?
Busy chasing Carr's . . . . . woof!
Successful BST transactions with: Bullsitter, Downtown1974, P0CKETCHANGE, Twobitcollector, AKbeez, DCW, Illini420, ProofCollection, DCarr, Cazkaboom, RichieURich, LukeMarshall, carew4me, BustDMs, coinsarefun, PreTurb, felinfoal, jwitten, GoldenEgg, pruebas, lazybones, COCollector, CuKevin, MWallace, USMC_6115, NamVet69, zippcity, . . . . who'd I forget?
Hello,
is this your coin? do you own it? did you take the pictures?
Here is one I haven't posted. This 1917-C Newfoundland George V 1c is an MS65RB.
Jeff
Edited to add -- Nothing special, but kind of a cool cert number!!
I think it's pretty dang special. It is beautiful.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
Beautiful wood grain surfaces. I enjoyed enlarging the picture and examining that toning.
Hey Tom,
No, absolutely love the coin!!! I was speaking about the cert number, four consecutive zeroes along with a 2,3,4 and 5 (but out of order).
Just something my OCD mind would notice!!!
Great thread by the way!!!
Take care,
Jeff
@Barberian
@TomB
Speaking of wood grain surfaces, here is another one that I don't think I've shared. This time Canada, not Newfoundland, but another George V large cent. This 1919 got the somewhat uncommon grade of MS62BN. One of the absolute most dramatic woodgrain patterns I've seen.
No modern TrueView for this coin, it is either an early generation PCGS image or scan. But these images are courtesy of Michael Kittle, @illini420 who always does an outstanding job!!
Take care,
Jeff
That 1919 cent is cool. It reminds me of something hidden behind a veil. I like that look a lot.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
Just arrived. VF25
Nice original coin!
here is one that has a lot going for itself:
NFL Rep Date (full) and it is a Woody, and a decent grade, I think.
It has some light abrasion and hairlines suggesting it had been lightly scuffed or wiped. That may have dropped the grade a level or two as a result.
I'm having trouble figuring out the grading for these coins. Coins with similar surface wear can be several grades apart and likewise, a particular grade will show considerable variation in surface wear. I need to hit a coin show or two and talk to people who deal or collect these Victorian Newfoundland halves.
I believe I know what you mean with respect to grading. It seems that in many ways the situation is similar to grading US Barber half dollars in the same grade range. This may read very odd (heck, it may even be very odd) but I used to get frustrated by how TPGs graded circulated Barber half dollars until I had seen enough of them that my own version of the grading scale was in my head and I would just grade them automatically. Please note that "my own version" wasn't based upon some fantasy, but was simply derived from looking at scads of coins until I knew immediately what it is I wanted at each grade level with respect to how they were graded by the TPGs.
I'm not at that level yet with Newfoundland pieces, but a goal of mine is to get that comfortable with these coins.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
Exactly, TomB! I do the same as well with coin grading, developing my own cues for grading that best fit conservative TPG grading standards.
This reminds me of my insect taxonomic work with pupal exuviae where the distinction between intraspecific and interspecific variation within a large genus isn't clear until you look at enough material and then voila! - it all falls into place in your mind.
I hear ya on Barber Halves! I remember back in the day when folks tried to pull the old B+D drawings as a grading guide on me demanding every letter of Liberty had to be clear to grade F. It is an extremely rare Barber Half that has a clear Liberty where all the rest of the details of the coin are F, They usually meet the standards of VF! The only exception to this are those dated 1909.
Barry Borseliono is a undisputed expert in NFL coins.
he wrote a book (unpublished) as far as I know. the book is all about NFL coins and its varieties.
if anyone wants his email please PM me.
A work in progress...
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
Wow, that’s a beautiful group already!
I really like the look of the 1909.
Thank you!
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Awesome little set there! Are you editing those photos in place?? Or are they cracked out. Beautiful examples the lot of em.
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I really like the Canadian issues. Since I prefer to scan my collection some of them don't show that well, but here's some anyway.
I actually found the 1946 cent in circulation here in New York about a dozen years ago.
TomB
nice, really nice. I HAD one of these with the NFL $2 gold complete.
But, someone wanted it badly....
I own the coins, but the image has been edited to drop the coins into the holder.
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I like it. Nice way of displaying them
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Anyone read or heard of this book ?
Hardcover first edition 288 pages interesting published by a coin club !
https://www.icollector.com/Gilboy-Aspects-of-the-Numismatics-of-North-America_i30112333
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
Never heard of it, but I agree it sounds interesting.
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Says it’s mostly about Canadian coinage
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
I found an extremely short review written by the PEI Numismatic Association in 2000-
https://www.angelfire.com/art/peina/Newsletters/apr2000.html
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Here is the Table of Contents page.
Life member #369 of the Royal Canadian Numismatic Association
Member of Canadian Association of Token Collectors
Collector of:
Canadian coins and pre-confederation tokens
Darkside proof/mint sets dated 1960
My Ebay
Thank you, @1960NYGiants.
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Is the 9 R/P'd on the tail knob?
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Unfortunately not. Here's a close-up shot of the date.
@TomB That's a beauty! What's the grade?
Thank you! The coin is graded AU58.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
Not on a level with most of the others posted to this thread, but, after many years of dormancy, I finally completed my Newfoundland Type Set with help on the last 3 from Frank Robinson's latest sale.
1858 1 cent. relatively scarce.
