By mistake, I posted this already on the main page.
However, I wanted to post it here
Sorry for the double post. But here it is:
1940 Newfoundland 1 cent..I call it Pockface
I have no idea what happened or how it happened.
Is it in the die or the planchet?
It does not appear to be corrosion either, whether natural or chemical..
the holes-indentations are all smooth..and are only obverse.
any Ideas - suggestions???
thank you all!
Just wanted to give a grading update on this 1930 dime as well. I sent it to ICCS in my most recent submission and am glad to say it graded MS-65. Really deserving of the grade in my opinion, it's a stunning coin! (If I do say so myself).
@Kyle said:
Here's a recent newp, I'll get it sent off for grading in the new year sometimes.
I took this one out of the bank vault this week. It is a coin with an interesting story, so I thought you guys might enjoy it. It is an 1884 specimen cent, one of three known and the only one of those outside of a museum.
This coin passed from the Col. E. H. R. Green (he of the five 1913 V nickels) collection into the Eric Newman/B. G. Johnson partnership, probably in the 1930s after Green's death. I strongly believe, but cannot prove, that it came from the W.W.C. Wilson collection in 1928 and the Caldecott collection in 1912.
It was forgotten by the collecting community until Heritage sold the remnants of the Newman collection in 2014. During that auction, it was graded SP-65RB by NGC. After a spirited bidding war between two other Canadian specimen collectors (I dropped out $15K), it went for moon money.
It showed up in the Cook auction in 2019 in a PCGS holder as SP Genuine - Cleaned. I bought it there for a fraction of its previous price. It certainly has been harshly cleaned, but it is still the only known example in private hands. As a collector of large cent specimens, it fit perfectly into my collecting goals, but geez, what a travesty. Photos by Heritage.
Numismatic author & owner of the Uncommon Cents collections. 2011 Fred Bowman award winner, 2020 J. Douglas Ferguson award winner, & 2022 Paul Fiocca award winner.
I'm guessing that while in the Cook collection the coin was cleaned? If so, that is a darn shame to have survived that long only to be in the hands of someone for a short period of time and get boinked.
Very early in this thread, if I recall correctly, I posted one of these medals in a PCGS MS68 holder. The one shared now is in a PCGS MS67 holder. I have been able to buy a few of these over the years, sometimes in their original holders, that have had terrific color. They are not easy to find like this, but I adore them-
I remember you talking about some of the atrocious things that came from the Cook Collection, bosox. It goes to prove that he was not a numismatist, but rather a collector of things that he could boast about.
In my opinion, the Cook stuff fell into three categories; 1) some stuff was original and not messed with, 2) some stuff was messed with and still straight graded (i.e. the 1911 dollar was downgraded), and 3) some stuff was cleaned and body-bagged. Unfortunately, quite a bit of it fell into the last two categories.
Numismatic author & owner of the Uncommon Cents collections. 2011 Fred Bowman award winner, 2020 J. Douglas Ferguson award winner, & 2022 Paul Fiocca award winner.
Unfortunately, lately I am seeing some stuff from category 3 in my last post offered for sale straight graded by other grading services. They have been cracked out of their PCGS body bags and submitted elsewhere.
I realize grades are always opinions, but in my opinion PCGS got the body bags correct.
Numismatic author & owner of the Uncommon Cents collections. 2011 Fred Bowman award winner, 2020 J. Douglas Ferguson award winner, & 2022 Paul Fiocca award winner.
This arrived today. Not too badly beat up for a Newfy. No apparent signs of cleaning to me. I like dark toning like this that highlights the portrait yet lacks corrosion or "black fuzz" in the lettering and along the rim found on many dark coins. The reverse shows nice color in the central field. I grade the wear at EF40. It looks better in hand than these photos show.
I had to be the photographer here- it's an older slab with no TrueView- and I'm not thrilled with my work, but this one is off at PCGS right now for photography, along with a bunch of other non-TV'ed stuff I own.
These NFLD gold coins are a tough group to find, especially if you want them relatively nice. The entire series of eight coins had a total original mintage of less than 100,000 pieces combined. Yours looks nice and original.
@TomB said:
These NFLD gold coins are a tough group to find, especially if you want them relatively nice. The entire series of eight coins had a total original mintage of less than 100,000 pieces combined. Yours looks nice and original.
Thanks. After I bought it, I was explaining to someone how many times rarer that Newfie piece is than your typical 1909-S VBD cent or 1916-D Mercury dime, and yet even though it's rarer than either of those other two coins (and gold, unlike them), it only cost a fraction of what one of them would in similar grade.
To all collectors of Canadian….
I will be at ANA Wednesday and Thursday.
I want to start in the Canadian space, hope to meet you and would treasure your advice.
Please PM me if you will be there and are willing to meet. I would offer my phone number to arrange a connection.
Lee
Yorkshireman,Obsessed collector of round, metallic pieces of history.Hunting for Latin American colonial portraits plus cool US & British coins.
@TomB said:
Looks like substantial luster on that 1930. Did it come out of Europe? I ask because fo the way the TrueView image is formatted.
I don't know. It was listed on the BST earlier this summer but I couldn't buy it at the time. A friend offered to buy it and hold for me. It has phenomenal lustre.
Gene
Life member #369 of the Royal Canadian Numismatic Association Member of Canadian Association of Token Collectors
Collector of: Canadian coins and pre-confederation tokens Darkside proof/mint sets dated 1960 My Ebay
1903 Newp. MS-65 Red, ex. Cook, pop 11/0. This thing has a bit more minor chatter than I would like for the grade, but 1903 is relatively tough year for high grade reds. I have been waiting a while for a good one. After seeing this one in hand, I am pretty sure that Cook did not play with it.
Numismatic author & owner of the Uncommon Cents collections. 2011 Fred Bowman award winner, 2020 J. Douglas Ferguson award winner, & 2022 Paul Fiocca award winner.
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Nice cameo reverse on that one.
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Collector of:
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Darkside proof/mint sets dated 1960
My Ebay
I added a small type set of Maritime large cents to my Canadian Large Cents collection.
My current registry sets:
20th Century Type Set
Virtual DANSCO 7070
Slabbed IHC set - Missing the Anacs Slabbed coins
By mistake, I posted this already on the main page.
However, I wanted to post it here
Sorry for the double post. But here it is:
1940 Newfoundland 1 cent..I call it Pockface
I have no idea what happened or how it happened.
Is it in the die or the planchet?
It does not appear to be corrosion either, whether natural or chemical..
the holes-indentations are all smooth..and are only obverse.
any Ideas - suggestions???
thank you all!
I'd guess sandblast or other grit got into the design recesses of the die.
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Don
Here's a fairly recent purchase of mine, I purchased it in an older PCI MS-63 75% Red holder and submitted it raw to ICCS where it graded MS-64 RB.
Just wanted to give a grading update on this 1930 dime as well. I sent it to ICCS in my most recent submission and am glad to say it graded MS-65. Really deserving of the grade in my opinion, it's a stunning coin! (If I do say so myself).
Beautiful dime, Kyle!
Had this tough variety/rpd graded a few weeks ago. “RPD3”
Anyone want to GTG?
@ShadyDave nice coin, love the die crack on reverse, MS62
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Member of Canadian Association of Token Collectors
Collector of:
Canadian coins and pre-confederation tokens
Darkside proof/mint sets dated 1960
My Ebay
Beautiful coin Dave! I'd guess AU-58.
Nice AU-55
I took this one out of the bank vault this week. It is a coin with an interesting story, so I thought you guys might enjoy it. It is an 1884 specimen cent, one of three known and the only one of those outside of a museum.
This coin passed from the Col. E. H. R. Green (he of the five 1913 V nickels) collection into the Eric Newman/B. G. Johnson partnership, probably in the 1930s after Green's death. I strongly believe, but cannot prove, that it came from the W.W.C. Wilson collection in 1928 and the Caldecott collection in 1912.
It was forgotten by the collecting community until Heritage sold the remnants of the Newman collection in 2014. During that auction, it was graded SP-65RB by NGC. After a spirited bidding war between two other Canadian specimen collectors (I dropped out $15K), it went for moon money.
It showed up in the Cook auction in 2019 in a PCGS holder as SP Genuine - Cleaned. I bought it there for a fraction of its previous price. It certainly has been harshly cleaned, but it is still the only known example in private hands. As a collector of large cent specimens, it fit perfectly into my collecting goals, but geez, what a travesty. Photos by Heritage.
http://www.victoriancent.com
I'm guessing that while in the Cook collection the coin was cleaned? If so, that is a darn shame to have survived that long only to be in the hands of someone for a short period of time and get boinked.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
Very early in this thread, if I recall correctly, I posted one of these medals in a PCGS MS68 holder. The one shared now is in a PCGS MS67 holder. I have been able to buy a few of these over the years, sometimes in their original holders, that have had terrific color. They are not easy to find like this, but I adore them-
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
What an incredible piece of history @bosox! Thanks for sharing the story.
I remember you talking about some of the atrocious things that came from the Cook Collection, bosox. It goes to prove that he was not a numismatist, but rather a collector of things that he could boast about.
In my opinion, the Cook stuff fell into three categories; 1) some stuff was original and not messed with, 2) some stuff was messed with and still straight graded (i.e. the 1911 dollar was downgraded), and 3) some stuff was cleaned and body-bagged. Unfortunately, quite a bit of it fell into the last two categories.
http://www.victoriancent.com
This is a former Cook coin. It originally was graded MS65 and is now MS64.
Unfortunately, lately I am seeing some stuff from category 3 in my last post offered for sale straight graded by other grading services. They have been cracked out of their PCGS body bags and submitted elsewhere.
I realize grades are always opinions, but in my opinion PCGS got the body bags correct.
http://www.victoriancent.com
That die crack is one of the pick-up-points for the 1858 5 cent RPD.
@Kyle @bigmarty58 @1960NYGiants- all good guesses, it ended up grading 58.
That is beautiful. Coming from someone that loves toning on both Canadian caribou quarters and 50 cent pieces.
Coin Junky...
Here's a scarce inverted 9 variety I had graded at ICCS recently. It's an AU-50.
Very very nice. The 9/6's are hard to find.
Thanks @syl! Yeah, they're very tough.
What is this? I Googled Acadian Canadian coin seeking old proto Cajun coins but got this instead. What is this?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/124536445097
I'm sorry if I posted a thing that isn't real.
My second Canada dollar via @airplanenut auction.
My current "Box of 20"
This arrived today. Not too badly beat up for a Newfy. No apparent signs of cleaning to me. I like dark toning like this that highlights the portrait yet lacks corrosion or "black fuzz" in the lettering and along the rim found on many dark coins. The reverse shows nice color in the central field. I grade the wear at EF40. It looks better in hand than these photos show.
These three arrived today, freshly graded.
I had to be the photographer here- it's an older slab with no TrueView- and I'm not thrilled with my work, but this one is off at PCGS right now for photography, along with a bunch of other non-TV'ed stuff I own.
These NFLD gold coins are a tough group to find, especially if you want them relatively nice. The entire series of eight coins had a total original mintage of less than 100,000 pieces combined. Yours looks nice and original.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
Below is one of the more readily available dates. It isn't a high grade coin, but I liked the warmth of the surfaces so I picked it up.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
Thanks. After I bought it, I was explaining to someone how many times rarer that Newfie piece is than your typical 1909-S VBD cent or 1916-D Mercury dime, and yet even though it's rarer than either of those other two coins (and gold, unlike them), it only cost a fraction of what one of them would in similar grade.
I do like the road less traveled sometimes.
A fellow Newfy traveler! What remote numismatic road haven't you traveled, LM?
This is one of the more common Newfy half dates with a whopping mintage of 100,000.
Here's an 1870 & 1872-H I like (mintages: 50K & 48K, respectively):
1852 Quebec Bank halfpenny token.
Conder Token Gallery https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipMCiunai6NjOxoo3zREkCsAnNm4vONzieO3u7tHyhm8peZmRD_A0MXmnWT2dzJ-nw?key=Rlo2YklUSWtEY1NWc3BfVm90ZEUwU25jLUZueG9n
New one this past weekend.
Picked this one up last week.
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Member of Canadian Association of Token Collectors
Collector of:
Canadian coins and pre-confederation tokens
Darkside proof/mint sets dated 1960
My Ebay
Very very nice, Gene.
What a beauty Gene!
To all collectors of Canadian….
I will be at ANA Wednesday and Thursday.
I want to start in the Canadian space, hope to meet you and would treasure your advice.
Please PM me if you will be there and are willing to meet. I would offer my phone number to arrange a connection.
Lee
Got this one today.
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Member of Canadian Association of Token Collectors
Collector of:
Canadian coins and pre-confederation tokens
Darkside proof/mint sets dated 1960
My Ebay
Beautiful lustrous 5 Cent!
Looks like substantial luster on that 1930. Did it come out of Europe? I ask because fo the way the TrueView image is formatted.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
I forgot my sunglasses, Gene. Great example!
I don't know. It was listed on the BST earlier this summer but I couldn't buy it at the time. A friend offered to buy it and hold for me.
It has phenomenal lustre.
Life member #369 of the Royal Canadian Numismatic Association
Member of Canadian Association of Token Collectors
Collector of:
Canadian coins and pre-confederation tokens
Darkside proof/mint sets dated 1960
My Ebay
1903 Newp. MS-65 Red, ex. Cook, pop 11/0. This thing has a bit more minor chatter than I would like for the grade, but 1903 is relatively tough year for high grade reds. I have been waiting a while for a good one. After seeing this one in hand, I am pretty sure that Cook did not play with it.
http://www.victoriancent.com
Nice, Rob.
Nice, Rob. Duplicate. Please remove. Tks
Trueviews of my recently graded Canadian coins.
Snagged this one off GC last Sunday. Full lustre on this little beauty.
Life member #369 of the Royal Canadian Numismatic Association
Member of Canadian Association of Token Collectors
Collector of:
Canadian coins and pre-confederation tokens
Darkside proof/mint sets dated 1960
My Ebay