1840 V-3 with cool light reverse cracks.
Not in the Top 100 varieties, but would probably make the Top 200.
The 1840 V-3 is a "mule" using the V-2 obverse and V-1 reverse.
Crusty ,damaged, but for $35 is an R-3 & A die marriage I didn't have....but you take what you can get till something better comes along. But 1833 's are a better date , and one of them is an R-7....so sometimes they are Purdy....other times butt ulgy...you take what ya can get....and keep on searching.
I have two that I can share. My ex-father-in-law gave me about 20 raw coins dated 1812-1870s. I have shared these before but it has been about 6 years I think. I had the 1812 50c slabbed VF25 by PCGS.
1830 LM-3 R-2
1832 LM-7 R-2
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How about another early one? I bought this many years ago from Sheridan Downey in response to a Coin World ad. The 1805 is a scarce date. There is only one die variety known.
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Nice coin, but I don't think it's the V-3A.
The best marker for the V-3A is the reverse crack along the side of A2.
I don't see that crack on your coin.
I expect that 1854 will be one of the hardest dates to attribute,
because there is no variation in date position, and no mint mark position.
And 1854 attribution is currently very challenging, because the Valentine plates are very fuzzy.
The Crain collection photos and descriptions help to some extent, though.
Nice coin, but I don't think it's the V-3A.
The best marker for the V-3A is the reverse crack along the side of A2.
I don't see that crack on your coin.
I expect that 1854 will be one of the hardest dates to attribute,
because there is no variation in date position, and no mint mark position.
And 1854 attribution is currently very challenging, because the Valentine plates are very fuzzy.
The Crain collection photos and descriptions help to some extent, though.
Clint
Wouldn't A 2 be the first A in America ? The first being the A in states? @yosclimber
Usually the crack is visible because it makes a "ragged" left edge to A2.
The left edge of A2 looks straight in your above photo.
Got an enlarged photo?
Well you see the dealer sent me the wrong coin.......not the above 1835 lg.date, lg 5C
But, what came was better...an 1838 small ☆'s rusted obv, obv.1 stage A/B R-7
Thanks! I can see the expected crack above A2,
and the rust pits in the leaves under R.
We call this die state V-1a at present.
It's the middle of V-1, V-1a, V-1b, and then V-2 with the same obverse.
This is a V-5, matched to the date position in Valentine's plates, with the pendant above the left edge of the 6.
People rarely attempt to attribute 1856 Philadelphia half dimes, but there are many different date positions
which make it possible.
@jesbroken said:
This was my first ever half dime, an 1836/3 with some damage. If I have called it correctly.
Jim
Hi Jim. I'm a big fan of the capped bust half dime series and am working on the big set. After being pretty inactive on the forum, I've been reading old posts lately. Even though I'm late to the party here, I thought I'd add some detail to this thread. The coin you have there does indeed have a feature on the 3 of the date. However, it's not the famous "3 over inverted 3" that appeared in the 1834 and 1836 half dimes. The way to spot this is to see that the 5C on the reverse of your coin is small, not large. 1836 LM-3, the "3/inv3" variety, is the pairing of obverse 2 and reverse GG - and GG has a large 5C.
Your coin appears to be LM-5. That marriage is obverse 3 ("Stars 11 and 12 strongly repunched") and reverse HH ("Small 5C, N Repunched.") On page 281, Logan and McCloskey (authors of the book discussed in this thread) say of obverse 3 that it has "Digit 3 recut on outside of lower ball." So there definitely is something going on there! FWIW, your coin, LM-5, has a rarity rating of R2 while the seemingly ubiquitous LM-3 is an R1.
In the old tradition of @MrHalfDime, your coin is a V-6a,
based on the date position and clash pattern.
Looking closely, you can see the M clash in the lap, and E just right in the field.
There is also a -10 degree rotation, which makes the clash line between the top leaves on the reverse
go downhill.
It's the 4th finest known V-6a, and I'd be tempted to make it the plate coin, if it weren't for the darn ex-Simpson V-6a which is a MS-68.
In the old tradition of @MrHalfDime, your coin is a V-6a,
based on the date position and clash pattern.
Looking closely, you can see the M clash in the lap, and E just right in the field.
There is also a -10 degree rotation, which makes the clash line between the top leaves on the reverse
go downhill.
It's the 4th finest known V-6a, and I'd be tempted to make it the plate coin, if it weren't for the darn ex-Simpson V-6a which is a MS-68.
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1840 V-3 with cool light reverse cracks.
Not in the Top 100 varieties, but would probably make the Top 200.
The 1840 V-3 is a "mule" using the V-2 obverse and V-1 reverse.
Nice coin...very pretty example.
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Valentine 3 A
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Crusty ,damaged, but for $35 is an R-3 & A die marriage I didn't have....but you take what you can get till something better comes along. But 1833 's are a better date , and one of them is an R-7....so sometimes they are Purdy....other times butt ulgy...you take what ya can get....and keep on searching.
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Recently graded by our hosts, and very very nice IMO.
Very pretty , an R-1 but a very nice specimen for sure!
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Bought raw and sold raw. I considered it a Proof-63+ with a chance at slabbing as a 64.
First year of regular Proof coin sales by the mint to the public.
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This was my first ever half dime, an 1836/3 with some damage. If I have called it correctly.
Jim
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Inverted 3 the 1834 also has an inverted 3. Nice specimen.
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I have two that I can share. My ex-father-in-law gave me about 20 raw coins dated 1812-1870s. I have shared these before but it has been about 6 years I think. I had the 1812 50c slabbed VF25 by PCGS.
1830 LM-3 R-2
1832 LM-7 R-2
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How about another early one? I bought this many years ago from Sheridan Downey in response to a Coin World ad. The 1805 is a scarce date. There is only one die variety known.
"That's why I wander and follow La Vie Dansante"
Nice coin, but I don't think it's the V-3A.
The best marker for the V-3A is the reverse crack along the side of A2.
I don't see that crack on your coin.
I expect that 1854 will be one of the hardest dates to attribute,
because there is no variation in date position, and no mint mark position.
And 1854 attribution is currently very challenging, because the Valentine plates are very fuzzy.
The Crain collection photos and descriptions help to some extent, though.
Clint
Wouldn't A 2 be the first A in America ? The first being the A in states? @yosclimber
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Yes, A2 is the first A in AMERICA.
You can see A2 and part of M in the above photo.
Well my 54 has that crack....there the coin is clashed heavy and its difficult to see.
Thats how I came up with the attribution.
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Usually the crack is visible because it makes a "ragged" left edge to A2.
The left edge of A2 looks straight in your above photo.
Got an enlarged photo?
Let me pull it and ill post some images.
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I don't think I have seen one of these posted yet.
You are most probably correct as Ive been in the hunt for one for quite some time now. Nice specimen.
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Have you attributed? Nice clash in the eagels shield
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@HalfDimeDude ... thanks !! I have not attributed yet. Should receive in hand this week.
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Well you see the dealer sent me the wrong coin.......not the above 1835 lg.date, lg 5C
But, what came was better...an 1838 small ☆'s rusted obv, obv.1 stage A/B R-7
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Not a coin, but this delivered today. Let the fever commence!
I posted this new one yesterday in another thread, but it belongs here too 🌞
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Here Clint some better images you needed to see.
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Two more...
1838 small star rusted dies orginial New Orleans obv. No star dies with hand punched smaller stars dies show transfer of rusted surfaces.
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1829 V-1, LM-18, R.5 AU50 PCGS
1856 MS62
Thanks! I can see the expected crack above A2,
and the rust pits in the leaves under R.
We call this die state V-1a at present.
It's the middle of V-1, V-1a, V-1b, and then V-2 with the same obverse.
This is a V-5, matched to the date position in Valentine's plates, with the pendant above the left edge of the 6.
People rarely attempt to attribute 1856 Philadelphia half dimes, but there are many different date positions
which make it possible.
Hi Jim. I'm a big fan of the capped bust half dime series and am working on the big set. After being pretty inactive on the forum, I've been reading old posts lately. Even though I'm late to the party here, I thought I'd add some detail to this thread. The coin you have there does indeed have a feature on the 3 of the date. However, it's not the famous "3 over inverted 3" that appeared in the 1834 and 1836 half dimes. The way to spot this is to see that the 5C on the reverse of your coin is small, not large. 1836 LM-3, the "3/inv3" variety, is the pairing of obverse 2 and reverse GG - and GG has a large 5C.
Your coin appears to be LM-5. That marriage is obverse 3 ("Stars 11 and 12 strongly repunched") and reverse HH ("Small 5C, N Repunched.") On page 281, Logan and McCloskey (authors of the book discussed in this thread) say of obverse 3 that it has "Digit 3 recut on outside of lower ball." So there definitely is something going on there! FWIW, your coin, LM-5, has a rarity rating of R2 while the seemingly ubiquitous LM-3 is an R1.
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I got this a few years ago and just appreciated the color of the coin.
Funny, they say 5 C.; yet, they are called half dimes.
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It is consistent with the capped bust dimes which say 10 C. there; yet, they are called dimes!
That's a beaut.
In the old tradition of @MrHalfDime, your coin is a V-6a,
based on the date position and clash pattern.
Looking closely, you can see the M clash in the lap, and E just right in the field.
There is also a -10 degree rotation, which makes the clash line between the top leaves on the reverse
go downhill.
It's the 4th finest known V-6a, and I'd be tempted to make it the plate coin, if it weren't for the darn ex-Simpson V-6a which is a MS-68.
Did someone say plate coin?
Super information!! Thank you very much. If you don’t mind I will include this information in my coin’s database. Excellent information.
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LM-4, page 145! Tasty!
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