David A. Scott/Copper and Bronze in Art: Corrosion, Colorants, Conservation
This book is chock full of chemical information relevant to copper and bronze surfaces in general, including coins. This should be in the libraries of early copper collectors
Member: EAC, NBS, C4, CWTS, ANA
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
This is my kind of thread! I purchase way more books than coins these days. Will post some recent pick-ups soon! In the meantime, enjoying everyone else's purchases.
Thomas L. Elder (1908): Catalogue of the Eighteenth Public Auction Sale of a Splendid
Collection of American and English Coins, the Property of Peter Gschwend, Esq. of
Pittsburgh, Penna. [Bound later in red full leather and gilt. Two copies bound as one: the
first copy includes 17 fine photographic plates, the second is hand-priced in ink (Elmer
Sears’ saleroom copy). Notes from J.C. Mitchelson’s annotated copy are laid in. William
Hartman Woodin bought Gschwend’s entire collection, picked out coins he wanted, and
then consigned the discards to Elder, who auctioned them off as the Gschwend Collection.
Ex: David Fanning (personal copy).]
Thomas L. Elder (1908): Catalogue of the Twenty-first Sale. Magnificent Rare Coin Collection
of the Late James B. Wilson, Esq., of New York City [28 photographic plates; bound
later in maroon cloth; Ex: Ted Craige, Bob Vail]
Both of the above are very important sales, particularly for large cents.
Pye, Charles/Provincial Copper Coins or Tokens, Issued between the Years 1787 and 1796,
Engraved by Charles Pye, of Birmingham from the Originals in his own Possession [ca.
1796; very well preserved]
[British Museum]/Description of Electrotypes of British Historical Medals Presented by the
Trustees of the British Museum [1910]
Barriga Villalba, A. M./Historia de la casa de moneda [Complete; all volumes bound in black
cloth and gilt. The history of the mint in Bogotá, Colombia.]
T. 1: Época de los tesoreros particulares
T. 2: Época de 1756 a 1819
T. 3: República de la Gran Colombia
Austrian Numismatic Society, Numismatic Society of Vienna/Numismatik und Geldgeschichte
im Zeitalter der Aufklärung [Numismatische Zeitschrift 120./121. Bd.]
And a toy: a modified notary stamp press, used by George C. Perkins, to make thin foil impressions of his well-known Connecticut coppers (plus a set of impressions of both sides of 26 of his coins)
Member: EAC, NBS, C4, CWTS, ANA
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
Snelling, Thomas/Miscellaneous Views of the Coins Struck by English Princes in France, Counterfeit Sterlings, Coins Struck by the East India Company, Those in the West India Colonies, and in the Isle of Man…. [1769; includes descriptions of colonial English coin patterns and molds]. One of the plates of engravings, shown below, clearly includes examples of colonial coinage:
Member: EAC, NBS, C4, CWTS, ANA
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
@Boosibri said:
Adding a few books to my library recently:
Yonaka's books are essential now to Spanish Colonials with the latest being the Portraits of Mexico.
Bought MrEureka's Early Republic gold today for a great cause!
Those of you that are members of the Token And Medal Society (TAMS) may have received a surprise recently (or have one coming). Dave Bowers recently completed a 2nd Edition of his "A Tune For A Token" catalog of tokens used to play mechanical music machines, 224 pages, hardbound. The first edition was published by TAMS as a supplement to the TAMS Journal, the bi-monthly member publication of the society. This second edition is also issued as a free supplement and will be distributed to all current members of TAMS, continuing a practice Dave B. has used with the Civil War Token Society with several recent postage only releases. Ken Goldman and Dave Bowers made substantial donations to TAMS to fund this work.
Please note -- if you are a TAMS member and haven't received your copy as yet, have patience as the supplements are being mailed 25-50 at a time from a small P.O. due to the Covid-19 situation. You can get information about TAMS at tokenandmedal.org
@tokenpro said:
Those of you that are members of the Token And Medal Society (TAMS) may have received a surprise recently (or have one coming). Dave Bowers recently completed a 2nd Edition of his "A Tune For A Token" catalog of tokens used to play mechanical music machines, 224 pages, hardbound. The first edition was published by TAMS as a supplement to the TAMS Journal, the bi-monthly member publication of the society. This second edition is also issued as a free supplement and will be distributed to all current members of TAMS, continuing a practice Dave B. has used with the Civil War Token Society with several recent postage only releases. Ken Goldman and Dave Bowers made substantial donations to TAMS to fund this work.
Please note -- if you are a TAMS member and haven't received your copy as yet, have patience as the supplements are being mailed 25-50 at a time from a small P.O. due to the Covid-19 situation. You can get information about TAMS at tokenandmedal.org
That is great! I am a TAMS member and knew that it was coming out soon but did not know when. Thanks for posting. I have not received mine yet but I look forward to it arriving.
Jean Boizard was a 17th-century French scholar known for his role in the development of French numismatics and knowledge of coin and medal collecting. In 1692 he published a short, but famous, treatise on coins. This book, 'Traité des Monnoyes' (Treatise on Money) , was an accurate and detailed work focusing on the coinage alloys and minting of coins at the Paris mint. This work frightened the French government, which subsequently banned it under the premise that it could be used as a guidebook for counterfeiting!
Member: EAC, NBS, C4, CWTS, ANA
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
I have a copy of:
Halperin, James L., Mark Van Winkle, Jon Amato, and Greg J. Rohan/The Coinage of Augustus
Saint-Gaudens Illustrated by the Phillip H. Morse Collection
Does anyone know how this book and the one above differ, aside from the use of images of some of Duckor's coins in the illustrations?
Member: EAC, NBS, C4, CWTS, ANA
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
@Boosibri said:
Adding a few books to my library recently:
Yonaka's books are essential now to Spanish Colonials with the latest being the Portraits of Mexico.
Bought MrEureka's Early Republic gold today for a great cause!
This book on off-metal counterfeits came today
Time to update pics of your library construction. It's OK if this thread gets nuked.
@Boosibri said:
Adding a few books to my library recently:
Yonaka's books are essential now to Spanish Colonials with the latest being the Portraits of Mexico.
Bought MrEureka's Early Republic gold today for a great cause!
This book on off-metal counterfeits came today
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Time to update pics of your library construction. It's OK if this thread gets nuked.
Construction restarts tomorrow after contractors were banned from working. So this next week or two will be skylight cut in (6ft x 3ft lake view), building in the built in benches and shelving, and then the flooring. Should be done soon!
To keep this coin related, here is anew book from yesterday:
@tokenpro said:
Those of you that are members of the Token And Medal Society (TAMS) may have received a surprise recently (or have one coming). Dave Bowers recently completed a 2nd Edition of his "A Tune For A Token" catalog of tokens used to play mechanical music machines, 224 pages, hardbound. The first edition was published by TAMS as a supplement to the TAMS Journal, the bi-monthly member publication of the society. This second edition is also issued as a free supplement and will be distributed to all current members of TAMS, continuing a practice Dave B. has used with the Civil War Token Society with several recent postage only releases. Ken Goldman and Dave Bowers made substantial donations to TAMS to fund this work.
Please note -- if you are a TAMS member and haven't received your copy as yet, have patience as the supplements are being mailed 25-50 at a time from a small P.O. due to the Covid-19 situation. You can get information about TAMS at tokenandmedal.org
Anything noted from Kalamazoo Michigan in the book?
@Sonorandesertrat said:
David A. Scott/Copper and Bronze in Art: Corrosion, Colorants, Conservation
This book is chock full of chemical information relevant to copper and bronze surfaces in general, including coins. This should be in the libraries of early copper collectors
Thanks for the tip, just ordered this book.
Some refer to overgraded slabs as Coffins. I like to think of them as Happy Coins.
@Sonorandesertrat said:
I have a copy of:
Halperin, James L., Mark Van Winkle, Jon Amato, and Greg J. Rohan/The Coinage of Augustus
Saint-Gaudens Illustrated by the Phillip H. Morse Collection
Does anyone know how this book and the one above differ, aside from the use of images of some of Duckor's coins in the illustrations?
Night and day. Roger included in-depth analysis of die varieties, archival research as only he can do, development of the design, exceptional pieces, market analysis, etc., etc., etc.
Some refer to overgraded slabs as Coffins. I like to think of them as Happy Coins.
I fell several months or more behind in picking up the new state catalogs that are available but I have two or three more different states coming in this week after this pair arrived yesterday. This is the new 3rd edition of the Nebraska Trade Token Catalog which went to two volumes and to spiral binding (the 2nd was one large hardbound volume). Most everything else has stayed the same as far as listing style but many new listings have been added, the rarities have been adjusted when needed and eight pages of color plates have been added. The plates illustrate some rare towns, saloon tokens, good for mirrors, rare transportation, military and post traders. It will be more difficult for the NE collectors to lug to shows but will work much better for me in the office. It's available from the publishers on eBay.
A couple days ago I had a surprise package at my door and this Trade Dollar book was inside. So far I am on chapter two. Such a tremendous amount of detailed information. Can’t wait to get through the rest of the book. Thanks @Pickwickjr
@Sonorandesertrat said:
I have a copy of:
Halperin, James L., Mark Van Winkle, Jon Amato, and Greg J. Rohan/The Coinage of Augustus
Saint-Gaudens Illustrated by the Phillip H. Morse Collection
Does anyone know how this book and the one above differ, aside from the use of images of some of Duckor's coins in the illustrations?
Night and day. Roger included in-depth analysis of die varieties, archival research as only he can do, development of the design, exceptional pieces, market analysis, etc., etc., etc.
Thanks. I just ordered a copy.
Member: EAC, NBS, C4, CWTS, ANA
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
As mentioned above, I had a couple new editions of state trade token catalogs arrive today. The first one up is the third edition of New Mexico Trade Tokens by Billy Kiser, spiral bound, 255 pages, 166 of them are images (25 per page) of most of the tokens listed with the pages sandwiched in the middle of the catalog. It comes in two versions with either black & white or color plates. The black & white are adequate for my working purposes but a collector might opt for the color edition (about twice the money if still available). The pricing is ok if used as a relative rarity scale but problematic for individual better pieces. It is the only current catalog available on NM tokens.
An important addition to my library, the catalogs of the Manuel Vidal Quadras y Ramon collection. This is likely the finest and largest collection of Spanish coins ever assembled. It sold in Barcelona in 1892. These are reprints from 1975. Four volumes in total.
This is my library. I've been collecting since 2002. My father-in-law built and stained the crates to make a bookshelf for me two Christmases ago. The ducks are from the outer banks about 10 years ago (the bird store). It's tucked in a small corner of our busy living room. My daughter's dance bag and my son's book bag are hanging from hooks above.
Here is my current library. I sold several books and auction catalogs when I left the hobby a few years ago, but I kept some good ones, I think:
Ford auction catalogs
Pittman auction catalogs
Eliasberg auction catalogs
Norweb auction catalogs
Garrett auction catalogs
Parmelee and Roper auction catalogs
Plus several books focused on coins from the US colonial and related periods.
@Boosibri said:
An important addition to my library, the catalogs of the Manuel Vidal Quadras y Ramon collection. This is likely the finest and largest collection of Spanish coins ever assembled. It sold in Barcelona in 1892. These are reprints from 1975. Four volumes in total.
Here are a few shelves of my library. Have books in three rooms of the house. My wife won’t allow me more room 😩. My son did the built in bookcases for a Christmas present some years ago 🙂.
Q: When does a collector become a numismatist?
A: The year they spend more on their library than their coin collection.
A numismatist is judged more on the content of their library than the content of their cabinet.
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Guide book of united states gold counterfeit detection
The Official Guide to Coin Grading and Counterfeit Detection, 2nd Edition
BST: KindaNewish (3/21/21), WQuarterFreddie (3/30/21), Meltdown (4/6/21), DBSTrader2 (5/5/21) AKA- unclemonkey on Blow Out
Breen Gillio 2nd Edition
https://www.apmex.com/product/71605/california-pioneer-fractional-gold-by-breen-and-gillio-2nd-ed
Top 10 Cal Fractional Type Set
successful BST with Ankurj, BigAl, Bullsitter, CommemKing, DCW(7), Elmerfusterpuck, Joelewis, Mach1ne, Minuteman810430, Modcrewman, Nankraut, Nederveit2, Philographer(5), Realgator, Silverpop, SurfinxHI, TomB and Yorkshireman(3)
This book covers the period up to 1850 (a second volume is planned to cover the remaining 25 years)
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
David A. Scott/Copper and Bronze in Art: Corrosion, Colorants, Conservation
This book is chock full of chemical information relevant to copper and bronze surfaces in general, including coins. This should be in the libraries of early copper collectors
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
I broke down and ordered a copy on ebay:
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Adding a few books to my library recently:
Yonaka's books are essential now to Spanish Colonials with the latest being the Portraits of Mexico.
Bought MrEureka's Early Republic gold today for a great cause!
This book on off-metal counterfeits came today
Latin American Collection
@Boosibri nice!
My YouTube Channel
This is my kind of thread! I purchase way more books than coins these days. Will post some recent pick-ups soon! In the meantime, enjoying everyone else's purchases.
Some recent purchases:
Thomas L. Elder (1908): Catalogue of the Eighteenth Public Auction Sale of a Splendid
Collection of American and English Coins, the Property of Peter Gschwend, Esq. of
Pittsburgh, Penna. [Bound later in red full leather and gilt. Two copies bound as one: the
first copy includes 17 fine photographic plates, the second is hand-priced in ink (Elmer
Sears’ saleroom copy). Notes from J.C. Mitchelson’s annotated copy are laid in. William
Hartman Woodin bought Gschwend’s entire collection, picked out coins he wanted, and
then consigned the discards to Elder, who auctioned them off as the Gschwend Collection.
Ex: David Fanning (personal copy).]
Thomas L. Elder (1908): Catalogue of the Twenty-first Sale. Magnificent Rare Coin Collection
of the Late James B. Wilson, Esq., of New York City [28 photographic plates; bound
later in maroon cloth; Ex: Ted Craige, Bob Vail]
Both of the above are very important sales, particularly for large cents.
Pye, Charles/Provincial Copper Coins or Tokens, Issued between the Years 1787 and 1796,
Engraved by Charles Pye, of Birmingham from the Originals in his own Possession [ca.
1796; very well preserved]
[British Museum]/Description of Electrotypes of British Historical Medals Presented by the
Trustees of the British Museum [1910]
Barriga Villalba, A. M./Historia de la casa de moneda [Complete; all volumes bound in black
cloth and gilt. The history of the mint in Bogotá, Colombia.]
T. 1: Época de los tesoreros particulares
T. 2: Época de 1756 a 1819
T. 3: República de la Gran Colombia
Austrian Numismatic Society, Numismatic Society of Vienna/Numismatik und Geldgeschichte
im Zeitalter der Aufklärung [Numismatische Zeitschrift 120./121. Bd.]
And a toy: a modified notary stamp press, used by George C. Perkins, to make thin foil impressions of his well-known Connecticut coppers (plus a set of impressions of both sides of 26 of his coins)
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
Snelling, Thomas/Miscellaneous Views of the Coins Struck by English Princes in France, Counterfeit Sterlings, Coins Struck by the East India Company, Those in the West India Colonies, and in the Isle of Man…. [1769; includes descriptions of colonial English coin patterns and molds]. One of the plates of engravings, shown below, clearly includes examples of colonial coinage:
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
Looks like it could be a great read.
BHNC #203
Winston's book is an interesting read, and he is working on a volume focused on silver (and planning one for gold counterfeits).
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
Here is one that I recently received:
ANA-LM, CWTS-LM, NBS, TAMS, ANS
In today’s mail, 1981 reprint of the 1924 edition:
@tomtomtomtom
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I got mine to mint 2 months ago and am glad I did. It's a good read
Those of you that are members of the Token And Medal Society (TAMS) may have received a surprise recently (or have one coming). Dave Bowers recently completed a 2nd Edition of his "A Tune For A Token" catalog of tokens used to play mechanical music machines, 224 pages, hardbound. The first edition was published by TAMS as a supplement to the TAMS Journal, the bi-monthly member publication of the society. This second edition is also issued as a free supplement and will be distributed to all current members of TAMS, continuing a practice Dave B. has used with the Civil War Token Society with several recent postage only releases. Ken Goldman and Dave Bowers made substantial donations to TAMS to fund this work.
Please note -- if you are a TAMS member and haven't received your copy as yet, have patience as the supplements are being mailed 25-50 at a time from a small P.O. due to the Covid-19 situation. You can get information about TAMS at tokenandmedal.org
That is great! I am a TAMS member and knew that it was coming out soon but did not know when. Thanks for posting. I have not received mine yet but I look forward to it arriving.
ANA-LM, CWTS-LM, NBS, TAMS, ANS
New today still in the wrapper
Jean Boizard was a 17th-century French scholar known for his role in the development of French numismatics and knowledge of coin and medal collecting. In 1692 he published a short, but famous, treatise on coins. This book, 'Traité des Monnoyes' (Treatise on Money) , was an accurate and detailed work focusing on the coinage alloys and minting of coins at the Paris mint. This work frightened the French government, which subsequently banned it under the premise that it could be used as a guidebook for counterfeiting!
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
Roger Burdette's new one.
Available here....
https://coins.ha.com/itm/books/saint-gaudens-double-eagles-as-illustrated-by-the-phillip-h/i/960001281.s
My Saint Set
I have a copy of:
Halperin, James L., Mark Van Winkle, Jon Amato, and Greg J. Rohan/The Coinage of Augustus
Saint-Gaudens Illustrated by the Phillip H. Morse Collection
Does anyone know how this book and the one above differ, aside from the use of images of some of Duckor's coins in the illustrations?
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
Excellent additions!
👍
My YouTube Channel
Time to update pics of your library construction. It's OK if this thread gets nuked.
My 1866 Philly Mint Set
Construction restarts tomorrow after contractors were banned from working. So this next week or two will be skylight cut in (6ft x 3ft lake view), building in the built in benches and shelving, and then the flooring. Should be done soon!
To keep this coin related, here is anew book from yesterday:
Latin American Collection
@Boosibri post your library construction pics here. That would be cool. I look forward to seeing the progress.
My YouTube Channel
Anything noted from Kalamazoo Michigan in the book?
Latin American Collection
Thanks for the tip, just ordered this book.
Night and day. Roger included in-depth analysis of die varieties, archival research as only he can do, development of the design, exceptional pieces, market analysis, etc., etc., etc.
Library got some built in shelves today. They will end up white but starting to come together.
More shelves tomorrow and I hope the big window cut in soon.
Latin American Collection
I fell several months or more behind in picking up the new state catalogs that are available but I have two or three more different states coming in this week after this pair arrived yesterday. This is the new 3rd edition of the Nebraska Trade Token Catalog which went to two volumes and to spiral binding (the 2nd was one large hardbound volume). Most everything else has stayed the same as far as listing style but many new listings have been added, the rarities have been adjusted when needed and eight pages of color plates have been added. The plates illustrate some rare towns, saloon tokens, good for mirrors, rare transportation, military and post traders. It will be more difficult for the NE collectors to lug to shows but will work much better for me in the office. It's available from the publishers on eBay.
A couple days ago I had a surprise package at my door and this Trade Dollar book was inside. So far I am on chapter two. Such a tremendous amount of detailed information. Can’t wait to get through the rest of the book. Thanks @Pickwickjr
I'm really not joking about this book.
1 1/2 years of notes comes first in my book.
With pop ups. lol. Coins.
Looking good! 👍
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Complete set of the Newman Sales (2013-2018) in hardcover:
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
Complete set of Steve Hayden Mail Bid Sales (1994-Present)
ANA-LM, CWTS-LM, NBS, TAMS, ANS
Thanks. I just ordered a copy.
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
As mentioned above, I had a couple new editions of state trade token catalogs arrive today. The first one up is the third edition of New Mexico Trade Tokens by Billy Kiser, spiral bound, 255 pages, 166 of them are images (25 per page) of most of the tokens listed with the pages sandwiched in the middle of the catalog. It comes in two versions with either black & white or color plates. The black & white are adequate for my working purposes but a collector might opt for the color edition (about twice the money if still available). The pricing is ok if used as a relative rarity scale but problematic for individual better pieces. It is the only current catalog available on NM tokens.
Making progress...
From the entrance
Skylight cut in this weekend
Latin American Collection
An important addition to my library, the catalogs of the Manuel Vidal Quadras y Ramon collection. This is likely the finest and largest collection of Spanish coins ever assembled. It sold in Barcelona in 1892. These are reprints from 1975. Four volumes in total.
Thanks @pruebas
Latin American Collection
This is my library. I've been collecting since 2002. My father-in-law built and stained the crates to make a bookshelf for me two Christmases ago. The ducks are from the outer banks about 10 years ago (the bird store). It's tucked in a small corner of our busy living room. My daughter's dance bag and my son's book bag are hanging from hooks above.
Really cool! With a library like that, with that view, I'd be missing for days at a time!
My YouTube Channel
New books today!
My YouTube Channel
Here is my current library. I sold several books and auction catalogs when I left the hobby a few years ago, but I kept some good ones, I think:
Ford auction catalogs
Pittman auction catalogs
Eliasberg auction catalogs
Norweb auction catalogs
Garrett auction catalogs
Parmelee and Roper auction catalogs
Plus several books focused on coins from the US colonial and related periods.
There have been some great articles in The E-Gobrecht on Liberty Seated Dollars on The LSCC’s website. 😎
A great club and lots of info online.
I bought my original set in 2011 and it cost over $1400. Granted part of that price was due to the beautiful bindings.
Question, is there an Osbourne Registry Co. book? They minted a slew of tokens and scrip over the decades. Peace Roy
BST: endeavor1967, synchr, kliao, Outhaul, Donttellthewife, U1Chicago, ajaan, mCarney1173, SurfinHi, MWallace, Sandman70gt, mustanggt, Pittstate03, Lazybones, Walkerguy21D, coinandcurrency242 , thebigeng, Collectorcoins, JimTyler, USMarine6, Elkevvo, Coll3ctor, Yorkshireman, CUKevin, ranshdow, CoinHunter4, bennybravo, Centsearcher, braddick, Windycity, ZoidMeister, mirabela, JJM, RichURich, Bullsitter, jmski52, LukeMarshall, coinsarefun, MichaelDixon, NickPatton, ProfLiz, Twobitcollector,Jesbroken oih82w8, DCW
Here are a few shelves of my library. Have books in three rooms of the house. My wife won’t allow me more room 😩. My son did the built in bookcases for a Christmas present some years ago 🙂.
A: The year they spend more on their library than their coin collection.
A numismatist is judged more on the content of their library than the content of their cabinet.
Just painted and now comes stocking it book and keeping my wife pictures and crap in the shelves to a minimum
Latin American Collection
Different shelves and some still in boxes from when I put things away, but I told @BustDMs two months ago I'd share. Better late than never I suppose.
There's a couple more boxes back there too, but I haven't redone my study yet.
“We are only their care-takers,” he posed, “if we take good care of them, then centuries from now they may still be here … ”
Todd - BHNC #242