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2019W Palladium Reverse Proof (19EK), On sale now, $2,437.50 .

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  • bestdaybestday Posts: 4,236 ✭✭✭✭

    @Kudbegud said:
    Palladium UP $28 at the close. New All Time High

    nice profit from 1st 2 Pas

  • bestdaybestday Posts: 4,236 ✭✭✭✭

    Careful here,,,,, PA might be in for a fast sharp drop

  • BackroadJunkieBackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Huh. Wasn't expecting a +1,414. Wonder if the new price will affect next week's sales...

    9/22/2019 2019 AM EAGLE PALLADIUM PROOF 1 OZ 13319
    9/29/2019 2019 AM EAGLE PALLADIUM PROOF 1 OZ 14733

  • cagcrispcagcrisp Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭✭✭

    +1,414 Read the Break. Played the Break

    I Read the Break, and Didn’t Play the Break

    I DO applaud those that Waited and Played the Break (Even IF I don’t agree with the Read)…

  • MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,323 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would imagine the big dealers are still buying a few.
    Pinehurst sold 70 NGC’s recently for $1789, to be shipped at later date.
    So far, waiting has worked.

    Now riding the swell in PM's and surf.
  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 33,503 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 1, 2019 4:35PM

    @bestday said:
    Careful here,,,,, PA might be in for a fast sharp drop

    That's Pd...unless you expect a major earthquake in Pennsylvania or are somehow investing in Proactinium🤣

  • GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 3,794 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BackroadJunkie said:
    9/22/2019 2019 AM EAGLE PALLADIUM PROOF 1 OZ 13319
    9/29/2019 2019 AM EAGLE PALLADIUM PROOF 1 OZ 14733

    Those sales are more than the gold or platinum proof this year. I think it is ironic the sales are in the 15,000 range.
    I also can say for sure there are more returns on the way back to the Mint, that have not yet been counted. And I still have not received a return label in my email. Call twice a week, same answer, "very busy with returns, keep waiting".

  • MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,323 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow, Goldminer, that is ridiculously slow return service, even for the Mint.
    They bill your card in mere nano seconds and then “no rush, we’re busy” is your answer to a return. Sounds more like a business going out of business.
    I am feeling even more comfortable buying in the secondary market, graded, especially considering the very high premium they have put on recent issues that has tended to evaporate over time.

    Now riding the swell in PM's and surf.
  • GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 3,794 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2, 2019 6:21AM

    Just called again and now the Mint says they don't send return labels for this now, but that they have UPS do it and they will "email" me a return label and they gave me a UPS tracking number??? So I check UPS tracking and says shipment ready for UPS, will update tracking when "It arrives at our facility" and on the side says 1 pound UPS ground label.

    Has this happened to anyone else? Wait two weeks for an emailed label, now looks like it will ship UPS ground for a return label??? Amazing.

  • cagcrispcagcrisp Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The 2019 Reverse Proof Palladium will be re-priced this afternoon between 1 and 3 PM ET to $2,087.50...

  • MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,323 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No that has not happened to me. They send out an email in a week or so with a label and they don’t refer me directly to UPS.
    Sounds like they are running amok.

    Now riding the swell in PM's and surf.
  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 33,503 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Goldminers said:
    Just called again and now the Mint says they don't send return labels for this now, but that they have UPS do it and they will "email" me a return label and they gave me a UPS tracking number??? So I check UPS tracking and says shipment ready for UPS, will update tracking when "It arrives at our facility" and on the side says 1 pound UPS ground label.

    Has this happened to anyone else? Wait two weeks for an emailed label, now looks like it will ship UPS ground for a return label??? Amazing.

    I got an emailed UPS label in about 4 or 5 days.

  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bestday said:
    Careful here,,,,, PA might be in for a fast sharp drop

    What happened in Pennsylvania? Earthquake, flood...?

    thefinn
  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is going to be a shor-lived series. At least the proof platinum series has a different reverse each year.

    thefinn
  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 33,503 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @thefinn said:
    This is going to be a shor-lived series. At least the proof platinum series has a different reverse each year.

    Well, these have had different finishes. All kinds of possibilities there.

    And I'm pretty sure there are 1 or 2 Roosevelt dime collectors and they haven't changed designs since 1946. And Eagles, gold and silver, don't change designs and people collect those.

  • GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 3,794 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    I got an emailed UPS label in about 4 or 5 days.

    Did it weigh a pound? My email server must be on a diet.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 33,503 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Goldminers said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    I got an emailed UPS label in about 4 or 5 days.

    Did it weigh a pound? My email server must be on a diet.

    Probably standard weight for certain items. I don't know what mine said for weight, I didn't look. I just slapped it on the Liberty medal and dropped it at the UPS Store. No fuss, no bother.

  • KudbegudKudbegud Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2, 2019 2:38PM

    Another New High

    Closed UP $29

    @cagcrisp is correct with his new pricing tomorrow of $2,087.50. Up $100 from original issue price on 9/12.


  • MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,323 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The new Mint price is $300 more than I paid for an NGC 69 from Pinehurst. Wow!
    I may get a black label PCGS 70 later but for now I couldn’t pass up their deal.
    And with spot tonight touching $1700....

    Now riding the swell in PM's and surf.
  • bestdaybestday Posts: 4,236 ✭✭✭✭

    @thefinn said:

    @bestday said:
    Careful here,,,,, PA might be in for a fast sharp drop

    What happened in Pennsylvania? Earthquake, flood...?

    pallidum

  • bestdaybestday Posts: 4,236 ✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @bestday said:
    Careful here,,,,, PA might be in for a fast sharp drop

    That's Pd...unless you expect a major earthquake in Pennsylvania or are somehow investing in Proactinium🤣

    futures symbol PA

  • SweetpieSweetpie Posts: 466 ✭✭✭

    @Kudbegud said:

    Another New High

    Closed UP $29

    @cagcrisp is correct with his new pricing tomorrow of $2,087.50. Up $100 from original issue price on 9/12.

    Yike!

    That's exactly doubled of what some of us paid for the bullion version just 2 years ago in early October, 2017.

  • LukeMarshallLukeMarshall Posts: 1,964 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Any PCGS true views for these yet?

    I am curious on how our hosts showcase the reverse proof in their house images.

    It's all about what the people want...

  • HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @LukeMarshall said:
    Any PCGS true views for these yet?

    I am curious on how our hosts showcase the reverse proof in their house images.

    Need the cert #s to get the TV but some have been imaged.

    https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/2019-w-25-palladium-reverse-proof/802175

  • LukeMarshallLukeMarshall Posts: 1,964 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks hemispherical, I was curious and typed in all the ones from eBay I saw this morning but none had the TVs.

    It's all about what the people want...

  • cagcrispcagcrisp Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭✭✭

    21 Days 2018 vs. 21 Days 2019

    Proof Palladium vs. Reverse Proof Palladium

    $1,387.50 Launch price 2018 vs. $1,987.50 Launch price 2019

    3 weeks sales numbers 2018 = 14,733 vs. 3 weeks sales numbers 2019 = 14,881

    Spot Palladium 2018 Launch = $971.00 vs, Spot Palladium 2019 Launch = $1,598.00

    After 21 Days in 2018 there had been 146 bay sales in OGP that Averaged $2,430.48; UP 75.2% from Launch price of $1,387.50

    After 21 Days in 2019 there have been 4 bay sales in OGP that Averaged $1,819.00; DOWN 8.5% from Launch price of $1,987.50

    …SO…In 2018 there were 14,796 Proof Palladium’s Sold Launch week and After 21 Days there were 146 OGP Sold on the bay at an Average Price of $2,430.48

    …SO…In 2019 there were 16,690 Reverse Proof Palladium’s Sold Launch week and After 21 Days there have been 4 OGP Sold on the bay at an Average Price of $1,819.00

    …SO…Spot Palladium is UP $627.00/oz. Launch 2019 vs. Launch 2018 and bay sales price of the 2019 OGP Reverse Proof is on Average DOWN $611.48 vs. 2018 OGP Proof Palladium

    …SO…That’s the Difference between 15k mintage and a Stated 30k mintage…

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 33,503 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cagcrisp said:
    21 Days 2018 vs. 21 Days 2019

    Proof Palladium vs. Reverse Proof Palladium

    $1,387.50 Launch price 2018 vs. $1,987.50 Launch price 2019

    3 weeks sales numbers 2018 = 14,733 vs. 3 weeks sales numbers 2019 = 14,881

    Spot Palladium 2018 Launch = $971.00 vs, Spot Palladium 2019 Launch = $1,598.00

    After 21 Days in 2018 there had been 146 bay sales in OGP that Averaged $2,430.48; UP 75.2% from Launch price of $1,387.50

    After 21 Days in 2019 there have been 4 bay sales in OGP that Averaged $1,819.00; DOWN 8.5% from Launch price of $1,987.50

    …SO…In 2018 there were 14,796 Proof Palladium’s Sold Launch week and After 21 Days there were 146 OGP Sold on the bay at an Average Price of $2,430.48

    …SO…In 2019 there were 16,690 Reverse Proof Palladium’s Sold Launch week and After 21 Days there have been 4 OGP Sold on the bay at an Average Price of $1,819.00

    …SO…Spot Palladium is UP $627.00/oz. Launch 2019 vs. Launch 2018 and bay sales price of the 2019 OGP Reverse Proof is on Average DOWN $611.48 vs. 2018 OGP Proof Palladium

    …SO…That’s the Difference between 15k mintage and a Stated 30k mintage…

    Are those raw prices or slabbed?

    It's worth noting how much the premium on the 2018 coin has shrunk - as well as the price. The coins (raw) currently sell for $2000-$2200 which is barely changed from a year ago despite the $700 higher palladium price.

  • cagcrispcagcrisp Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @cagcrisp said:
    21 Days 2018 vs. 21 Days 2019

    Proof Palladium vs. Reverse Proof Palladium

    $1,387.50 Launch price 2018 vs. $1,987.50 Launch price 2019

    3 weeks sales numbers 2018 = 14,733 vs. 3 weeks sales numbers 2019 = 14,881

    Spot Palladium 2018 Launch = $971.00 vs, Spot Palladium 2019 Launch = $1,598.00

    After 21 Days in 2018 there had been 146 bay sales in OGP that Averaged $2,430.48; UP 75.2% from Launch price of $1,387.50

    After 21 Days in 2019 there have been 4 bay sales in OGP that Averaged $1,819.00; DOWN 8.5% from Launch price of $1,987.50

    …SO…In 2018 there were 14,796 Proof Palladium’s Sold Launch week and After 21 Days there were 146 OGP Sold on the bay at an Average Price of $2,430.48

    …SO…In 2019 there were 16,690 Reverse Proof Palladium’s Sold Launch week and After 21 Days there have been 4 OGP Sold on the bay at an Average Price of $1,819.00

    …SO…Spot Palladium is UP $627.00/oz. Launch 2019 vs. Launch 2018 and bay sales price of the 2019 OGP Reverse Proof is on Average DOWN $611.48 vs. 2018 OGP Proof Palladium

    …SO…That’s the Difference between 15k mintage and a Stated 30k mintage…

    Are those raw prices or slabbed?

    It's worth noting how much the premium on the 2018 coin has shrunk - as well as the price. The coins (raw) currently sell for $2000-$2200 which is barely changed from a year ago despite the $700 higher palladium price.

    All raw coin prices...

  • bestdaybestday Posts: 4,236 ✭✭✭✭

    US mint priced the proof , reverse proof to keep most of the profit for themselves.. Big profits from Mint products ….. for flippers ......thinning out

  • cagcrispcagcrisp Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 6, 2019 12:51PM

    @bestday said:
    US mint priced the proof , reverse proof to keep most of the profit for themselves.. Big profits from Mint products ….. for flippers ......thinning out

    The Mint Lost money on the 2017 Bullion Palladium, my Guess is the Mint Lost money on the 2018 Proof Palladium and Will Lose even more money on the 2019 Reverse Proof Palladium...

  • MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,323 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Riddle me this: how can Pinehurst sell the RP for $1789 when original Mint pricing was at $2000?

    Now riding the swell in PM's and surf.
  • cagcrispcagcrisp Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MilesWaits said:
    Riddle me this: how can Pinehurst sell the RP for $1789 when original Mint pricing was at $2000?

    The bay shows that Pinehurst has Currently sold 24 Graded 70 coins. 3 Sold @ $2,895.00. Most have Sold as “accepted “, however, when BIN prices are Listed @ $2,449.00, $2,895.00 and $2,995.00, it doesn’t take that many “accepted” offers to offset the Losses incurred on the Loss Leader 69’s they originally sold...

  • MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,323 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is a huge loss. I haven’t seen previous issues willing to lose that much that quickly. As a percentage of the total price. I am happy that I was also able to get a tenth ounce NGC 69 gold liberty for $180 when the current issue price is still $235.
    Helluva loss leader.

    Now riding the swell in PM's and surf.
  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 33,503 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MilesWaits said:
    Riddle me this: how can Pinehurst sell the RP for $1789 when original Mint pricing was at $2000?

    If they are a bulk buyer, they could get the (not very) generous 5% Mint discount in which case their purchase price is only $1900.

  • cagcrispcagcrisp Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @MilesWaits said:
    Riddle me this: how can Pinehurst sell the RP for $1789 when original Mint pricing was at $2000?

    If they are a bulk buyer, they could get the (not very) generous 5% Mint discount in which case their purchase price is only $1900.

    Palladium coins are Not subject to the Mint’s bulk discount program...

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 33,503 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cagcrisp said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @MilesWaits said:
    Riddle me this: how can Pinehurst sell the RP for $1789 when original Mint pricing was at $2000?

    If they are a bulk buyer, they could get the (not very) generous 5% Mint discount in which case their purchase price is only $1900.

    Palladium coins are Not subject to the Mint’s bulk discount program...

    Even the proofs? I mean the bullion coins I understand, but I would have thought the proofs with their $400 premium could be included.

  • cagcrispcagcrisp Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MilesWaits said:
    That is a huge loss. I haven’t seen previous issues willing to lose that much that quickly. As a percentage of the total price. I am happy that I was also able to get a tenth ounce NGC 69 gold liberty for $180 when the current issue price is still $235.
    Helluva loss leader.

    “Helluva loss leader”. Look at bay sales and tell me what you would do with a bunch of 69s that you have to move? A raw OGP coin went today @ auction for $1,800.00. A PCGS 70 went today for $2,251.00 and another PCGS 70 went for $2,276.00.

    Once the window for returns closes, and you have inventory to move, you move ‘em for what the market will bear. I would Not buy one of the 69s at the price you paid because I see the market getting a Lot weaker than it is currently...

  • cagcrispcagcrisp Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @cagcrisp said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @MilesWaits said:
    Riddle me this: how can Pinehurst sell the RP for $1789 when original Mint pricing was at $2000?

    If they are a bulk buyer, they could get the (not very) generous 5% Mint discount in which case their purchase price is only $1900.

    Palladium coins are Not subject to the Mint’s bulk discount program...

    Even the proofs? I mean the bullion coins I understand, but I would have thought the proofs with their $400 premium could be included.

    No Sir...

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 33,503 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cagcrisp said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @cagcrisp said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @MilesWaits said:
    Riddle me this: how can Pinehurst sell the RP for $1789 when original Mint pricing was at $2000?

    If they are a bulk buyer, they could get the (not very) generous 5% Mint discount in which case their purchase price is only $1900.

    Palladium coins are Not subject to the Mint’s bulk discount program...

    Even the proofs? I mean the bullion coins I understand, but I would have thought the proofs with their $400 premium could be included.

    No Sir...

    The Mint does not love their best customers

  • wondercoinwondercoin Posts: 16,864 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I haven’t bought my first RP coin yet. If the mintage had been set at 15,000, I was looking to buy 200-250+ Coins easy I suspect.

    Wondercoin

    Please visit my website at www.wondercoins.com and my ebay auctions under my user name www.wondercoin.com.
  • HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Congrats @Kudbegud!

    Definitely positive premium on that one.

  • cagcrispcagcrisp Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭✭✭

    19EK 2019 AM EAGLE PALLADIUM PROOF 1 OZ 14,788 + 55

  • cagcrispcagcrisp Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm expecting a Negative number on this weeks sales numbers. Returns should be showing up...

  • MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,323 ✭✭✭✭✭

    $1708 spot, uh huh.

    Now riding the swell in PM's and surf.
  • KudbegudKudbegud Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A new high once again


  • MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,323 ✭✭✭✭✭

    And I received mine from Pinehurst today, NGC 69, and pictures do not do any of these palladium eagles justice. I am so glad to have the continuing Pd Eagle in this set.
    I like how they are displayed in these slabs (NGC and especially PCGS), now.
    By creating space between the edge of the coin (via the prongs) and the solid slab makes a positive visual difference.

    Now riding the swell in PM's and surf.
  • MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,323 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Spot Pd is $1722 !

    Now riding the swell in PM's and surf.
  • HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MilesWaits said:
    Spot Pd is $1722 !

    How high will it go? Is it time to sell?

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