"Safe Find of 200 year old store during demo!" aka thedockter
ArizonaRareCoins
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WOW......Amazing how his coins were just sold last month at Heritage as problem details coins, but are now listed as raw coins found in a 200 year old pottery store:
- 1811 $5 gold ANACS XF-45 Mount Removed, Repaired, Whizzed:
https://coins.ha.com/itm/early-half-eagles/1811-5-small-5-bd-2-r3-mount-removed-repaired-whizzed-anacs-xf45-details/a/1292-4630.s
- 1860-D $5 Large D -- Cleaned -- NGC Details. XF:
https://coins.ha.com/itm/liberty-half-eagles/1860-d-5-large-d-cleaned-ngc-details-xf-variety-46-ee/a/1292-4652.s
- 1872-CC $10 -- Damage -- PCGS Genuine. XF Details:
https://coins.ha.com/itm/liberty-eagles/1872-cc-10-damage-pcgs-genuine-xf-details-variety-1-a/a/1292-3858.s
- 1860-C $5 -- Cleaned -- NGC Details. XF:
https://coins.ha.com/itm/liberty-half-eagles/1860-c-5-cleaned-ngc-details-xf-variety-1/a/1292-4651.s
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Comments
Good detective work.
What a total lying POS!
Nice detective work!
This POS has been doing this for months. Usually includes photos of some old building and sacks of silver.
The catogers at HA must have been unaware of the history behind this hoard. Next week these coins will miraculously transform into superb gems! Nice detive work Arizona Rare Coins!
Wow...reminder of the risks of buying raw.
Wow! Isn't this considered fraud?
"A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown
Pretty low level fraud. Made up backstory.
This guy has done similar stories before.... I think there are other threads here on other 'found' coins...Cheers, RickO
Thedockter? Nuff said there.
I am not sure how much truth is behind it but I hear Great Southern Coins plays this crackout game too. However they leave out the storyline.
I say report him to the IRS for non payment of income tax and let them sort it out with the seller.
Creative marketing! I can't LOL. I think fraud is provable.
Send him a message and ask him about this fraud just to see what they will say. Probably won't respond.
Theft by deception is a criminal offence in PA.
Looks like Heritage' photos with a black background.
Have noticed his tactics before....it could be reported and I do believe I will do just that...
bob
Go to auction and scroll down and you will see on the right: REPORT
Click on: report.
Click on: listing practices
Click on: fraudulent listing practices
Click on: You suspect listing is fraudulent
Repeat for each listing. If we all do this the fraud dept will act.
bob
Nice work!
Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.
Fraud turns on intent to deceive. While Anacs may have gotten it wrong on their grades, the story is an attempt to explain why coins of this supposed quality haven’t been graded or surfaced into the marketplace. Proving intent can be difficult, but it can be done. It looks like fraud to me.
I always wondered if any of these sleezes hang out among us here, or at least read the forums.
Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.
Ebay has requirements on selling coins. One of the requirements is for the seller to disclose any issues or problems with the coins. It's a disclosure requirement that he's skirting. Clearly a violation of ebay rules.
Here is ebay policy:
General guidelines for coins and paper money
Include all relevant information that you know about the item, such as origin, date of issue, and condition
Include a clear picture of the actual item being sold – don't use stock photos
Include all information about any alterations that may have been made to the item
Individually identify every item listed to avoid misunderstandings about what is for sale
Don't list the item if you're unsure of its origin or authenticity
It would be nice if eBay would let us copy & paste the OP's layout of HA & eBay listings in a report but they only give you a line & a half to explain.
Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.
cant use the LOL button but LOL.
BTW my last house was in Pike.
I 100% agree with you and admire your efforts & concern. I don't agree with how this seller does business. If you think ebay is going to care or do something about it, it's not going to happen. They would rather get the selling fees and make a buyer whole if needs be. Ebay will tell you if the seller doesn't have a return policy we will cover it with our buyer protection. The report button is pretty much a dead link anymore. They killed it about 4 or 5 years ago and got rid of the staff to man it. It still works for things like avoiding fees, trademark & copyright, offers to sell off ebay and so on. Even IF someone at ebay did look at it the chance of them understanding enough about coins and why the listing is fraudulent would be slim, you will be lucky if a ebay CSR in India isn't reviewing your report. I have reported counterfeit coin listings with 30 bids up to $2,000 and they won't take them down.
Sorry to be a stick in the mud
Your efforts are appreciated by the coin collecting hobby as a whole & buy collectors everywhere.
It is also not allowed to use other people's picture on ebay. He is using heritage pictures. Could report him for that as well, and provide the heritage links.
When I see a story about an old safe or grandpa's sdb I move on. Some are true, but I'm not comfortable buying expensive raw coins and those stories do not help.
At present the ebay bids are all substantially less than the hammer price at Heritage.
He's not getting the bids?
Lets help this guy out with a better story.
The Mysterious Egyptian Magic Coin
Coins in Movies
Coins on Television
I think Heritage would need to be the one to report it and if they did it would be removed right away.
( IIRC, ebay needs to make sure of proof of ownership & permission for use was not granted )
I like the 3rd comment!!
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Report filed.
<<< 200 year old pottery store >>>
I give the scammer some credit for coming up with a new story line.
Never heard of a "200 year old pottery store" find before. 🙄
Great detective work, thanks for sharing !!!
The coin biz can be a deceitful business. (see my "more than a bloody coincidence" thread)
+1
Like the unsearched rolls of Morgans, with CC end pieces. it's all BS.
Indian Head $10 Gold Date Set Album
Terrible, just terrible. I wonder what will happen if they don't sell for more than what he (presumably) paid at Heritage though?
LIBERTY SEATED DIMES WITH MAJOR VARIETIES CIRCULATION STRIKES (1837-1891) digital album
This is a "200 year old pottery shop"? This guy is just a nut job.
Maybe Heritage should watermark their photos to prevent theft.
Just a thought.
Chris
$5 and $10 was a lot of money back then, especially for pottery.
No wonder the pottery store went out of business.
Yes but he has low overhead and fixed costs.
No need to hire a window cleaner.
At least the coins are real. The fact that Ebay would rather make the $$$ than provide a buyer safe place to purchase authentic items will eventually be their demise. It may take another decade, but it will happen. At some point, the fraud and Ebay's reluctance to address it will come back and get them where it hurts. Same with "we buy gold" B&M coin dealers or slabbing AT coins. Eventually when the trust of the consumer is broken in a service industry, those providing service will lose the respect they need to thrive.
If you really want an Ebay counterfeit listing removed, PM me with the item number and the diagnostics to prove beyond any doubt the item is counterfeit with enough time left to make it happen.
If we as collectors do not come together to make Ebay change, they won't..... until it's too late for them, and us. IMHO
Ed
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Anyone can PM me Any Time about Any thing.
@Edthelorax
"If you really want an Ebay counterfeit listing removed, PM me with the item number and the diagnostics to prove beyond any doubt the item is counterfeit with enough time left to make it happen."
Do you have a special "in" with ebay?
How many listings would you have time to have removed in a day?
Here's you one to practice with 352613487173 it should be quite clear to you it is not genuine, if you need diagnostics feel free to PM.
Wrong D and placement.
LMK if it's up in 12 hrs
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@Edthelorax
283408712491 Here is another one for ya. I can find em' faster than you can report them.
Couple more for ya. 372621283481 153406603166
@ifthevamzarockin funny you picked one from my stomping grounds.
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I can't keep up with the ones I find. That is one reason for the diagnostics and PM. More important is getting enough support to force Ebay to make the changes. Stick to the ones that are high dollar or many multiple listings.
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@Edthelorax
What method of reporting are you using?