@BackroadJunkie Thanks for the update! There are no negative numbers... interesting.
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Someone posted somewhere about something to do with surcharges paid to the organization that a Commem coin(s) was made for. So this is a pull from some of the US Mint’s annual reports.
Note that some reports may not contain or be incomplete of an issued commem but it should be in later report.
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COMMEMORATIVE COINS
Commemorative coin programs are created by acts of Congress to honor a person, place, organization, or event. The price of each coin ordinarily includes a surcharge authorized to be paid to a designated recipient organization
2018 Report:
The 2018 World War I Centennial Silver Dollar had revenue of $10.2 million with surcharges of $1.4 million through September 30. This program runs through calendar year 2018 and final surcharges will be totaled December 31. The surcharges support United States Foundation for the Commemoration of the World Wars, to assist the World War I Centennial Commission in commemorating the centenary of World War I.
The 2018 Breast Cancer Awareness Commemorative Coin had revenue of $8.8 million with surcharges of $1.0 million through September 30. This program runs through calendar year 2018, and final surcharges will be totaled December 31. The surcharges support the Breast Cancer Research Foundation.
2017 Report:
Two commemorative coin programs began in FY 2017. The Boys Town Centennial Commemorative Coin Program had revenue of $6.0 million with surcharges of $0.9 million through September 30. This program runs through calendar year 2017 and final surcharges will be totaled December 30. The surcharges support the Boys Town National Hotline, Boys Town National Research Hospital, and other community services.
The Lions Clubs International Centennial Silver Dollar Program had revenue of $3.9 million with surcharges of $0.8 million through September 30. The surcharges allowed the Lions Clubs to further its programs for the blind and visually impaired in the United States and abroad, to invest in adaptive technologies for the disabled, and to invest in youth and those affected by a major disaster. Both of these commemorative coin programs ran through December 31, 2017.
Two commemorative coin programs ended during FY 2017. The National Park Service 100th Anniversary program had revenue of $16.2 million with surcharges of $2.2 million through September 30. The surcharges support National Park Foundation projects intended to preserve, protect, and promote National Park Service resources for public enjoyment.
The Mark Twain program had revenue of $12.1 million with surcharges of $1.7 million through September 30. The surcharges support Twain’s legacy through the following four institutions: the Mark Twain House & Museum; the Mark Twain Boyhood Home and Museum; the University of California, Berkeley; and Elmira College. These two commemorative programs ran through December 31, 2016.
2016 Report
Two commemorative coin programs began in FY 2016. The National Park Service 100th Anniversary program had revenue of $13.6 million with surcharges of $1.9 million through September 30. The surcharges support National Park Foundation projects intended to preserve, protect, and promote National Park Service resources for public enjoyment. The Mark Twain program had revenue of $11.1 million with surcharges of $1.6 million through September 30. The surcharges support Twain’s legacy through the following four institutions: the Mark Twain House & Museum; the Mark Twain Boyhood Home and Museum; the University of California, Berkeley; and Elmira College. These programs run through December 31, 2016.
Two commemorative coin programs ended during FY 2016. The 2015 U.S. Marshals Service 225th Anniversary program had revenue of $22.2 million with surcharges of $3.1 million. The first $5 million in surcha ges supported the U.S. Marshals Museum, Inc., with the remaining surcharges divided among the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association Foundation, and the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund. The 2015 March of Dimes Commemorative Coin Program had revenue of $8.5 million with surcharges of $1.6 million collected for its recipient organization, the March of Dimes Foundation, to help finance research, education, and services aimed at improving the health of women, infants and children. These programs ran through December 31, 2015.
2015 Report.
Two commemorative coin programs began in FY 2015. The 2015 U.S. Marshals Service 225th Anniversary program had revenue of $20.6 million with surcharges of $2.8 million through September 30. This program runs through calendar year 2015 and final surcharges will be totaled December 30. The first $5 million in surcharges will go to the U.S. Marshals Museum, Inc., with any remaining surcharges divided among the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association Foundation, and the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund. The 2015 March of Dimes Commemorative Coin Program had revenue of $8.1 million with surcharges of $1.5 million collected for its recipient organization, the March of Dimes Foundation, to help finance research, education, and services aimed at improving the health of women, infants, and children. These programs run through December 31, 2015.
Two commemorative coin programs ended during FY 2015. The 2014 Civil Rights Act of 1964 Silver Dollar had revenue of $4.4 million with surcharges of $0.9 million collected for its recipient organization, the United Negro College Fund. The 2014 National Baseball Hall of Fame Commemorative Coin Program had revenue of $50.9 million with surcharges of $7.9 million collected for its recipient organization, the National Baseball Hall of Fame.
This is what the Mint now does as the end-of-year/run nears to try and ensure the recipient organization’s receive a surcharge.
Interview with Marc Landry, US Mint, Acting Associate Director of the Mint’s Numismatic and Bullion Directorate (5 Feb 19), Lowell ATB Quarter pre-launch forum. Talks about a lot of things. Skip to 17:15, a lady explains the process.
I am afraid that sales will not make the threshold to trigger paying a surcharge. Like other service organization commemorative coin programs recently this threshold was not met.
A question is what happens to the surcharges that were built in to the prices and collected from customers.
@Kudbegud said:
I am afraid that sales will not make the threshold to trigger paying a surcharge. Like other service organization commemorative coin programs recently this threshold was not met.
A question is what happens to the surcharges that were built in to the prices and collected from customers.
All surchages are used to pay all the associated costs for the commens. What’s left is paid to the organization, if anything. New measures were instituted (2017) to ensure there was something paid. See the vid for explanation (not going to try and transcribe ) (https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/12281136/#Comment_12281136)
The American Legion head-shed has to convince the rank-and-file non-collector Legionnaire’s to take an interest and buy; and the best opportunity for a last push will be during the next Nation Convention. We will see how the Mint handles sales if there looks to be no surcharge $$ for the Legion late this year.
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For those interested in the convention:
The American Legion hosts its national convention in a different city each year and welcomes to it a large number of attendees. Legionnaires attending the event can take advantage of planned tourism attractions, discounted hotel and travel rates, Legion-sponsored events, and other convention-related offers.
Check back to view information on the 101st National Convention which will be held August 23 – 29, 2019, in Indianapolis, Indiana.
Location:
Indiana Convention Center & Lucas Oil Stadium
100 S. Capitol Avenue
Indianapolis, IN 46225
I have been tracking weekly sales for almost 10 years now. If you take the second week sales figures and double them, you will get the approximate final sales on this program. The coin in the coin/medal set will be higher but the other 5 will not get any higher that double their third week of sales.
@Some_of_it said:
I have been tracking weekly sales for almost 10 years now. If you take the second week sales figures and double them, you will get the approximate final sales on this program. The coin in the coin/medal set will be higher but the other 5 will not get any higher that double their third week of sales.
Thanks for the info/analysis.
Has there been any anomalies due influences outside of the Mint?
I have not been tracking gold & silver prices. I don’t think these programs move based on metal prices. It seems to be about marketing. Most of the recipient organizations do a poor job of marketing their coin. I would be shocked if the coins were available at the convention mentioned above. At least two of the three coins here are well done. The half dollar is terrible.
I ordered a couple golds 11 days ago, and the tracking still says shipped, but severe weather delay. I think the UPS ground truck got flooded crossing the Missouri or Mississippi. Terrible situation for the farmers and other families with severe flooding in that region of the country.
@Goldminers The weather is such a fickle thing, and deserves much respect. Hope you get your coins and in good shape, but 11 days is a long time even with ground.
I really like the designs of the gold and silver. To bad the mint proves they are poor at marketing.....AGAIN. Especially to such a big national veterans organization.
@Gluggo said:
OMG! OMG! I forgot did they sell out?
Not likely from the response here.
I got one!
Forgot. Even wrote a pen and paper note, that I couldn’t figure out, until five mins ago.... “AM LEG” I’m thinking why’d I write down American Memorial quarters? Doh!
One on-the-way and should be here in a month give or take three weeks...
@Kudbegud said:
Picked a sheet at the Post Office today. $9.90. These are very nice.
A sheet of which stamps? I must have missed it.
Yes stamps, the Transcontinental Railroad ones. Looking at my post today and see it was not well done.....a little cryptic.
I was thinking that was what you meant. Realized I’m in the AL thread but I have the AM W quarters running around in my head and then there is the other “A” lettered coin (Apollo). Whew!
Comments
I just checked my order of the American Legion 3 coin set (due Friday) and it's showing as being on Backorder.
When did you order?
I guess I’m glad I did the next day air.
I ordered within the first 10 minutes on the 14th, but standard shipping.
Ouch! Within 10 mins! Wonder how many others were put in backorder.
Sorry for the confusion. My order is scheduled to be delivered on Friday. The 3 coin set is now listed as being on Backorder, however.
No problem, glad your getting your set in a reasonable time. Unless it gets lost in the mail... knock on digital wood.
New sales number, courtesy of the US Mint....
Could be worse....
@BackroadJunkie Thanks for the update! There are no negative numbers... interesting.
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Someone posted somewhere about something to do with surcharges paid to the organization that a Commem coin(s) was made for. So this is a pull from some of the US Mint’s annual reports.
Note that some reports may not contain or be incomplete of an issued commem but it should be in later report.
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COMMEMORATIVE COINS
Commemorative coin programs are created by acts of Congress to honor a person, place, organization, or event. The price of each coin ordinarily includes a surcharge authorized to be paid to a designated recipient organization
2018 Report:
The 2018 World War I Centennial Silver Dollar had revenue of $10.2 million with surcharges of $1.4 million through September 30. This program runs through calendar year 2018 and final surcharges will be totaled December 31. The surcharges support United States Foundation for the Commemoration of the World Wars, to assist the World War I Centennial Commission in commemorating the centenary of World War I.
The 2018 Breast Cancer Awareness Commemorative Coin had revenue of $8.8 million with surcharges of $1.0 million through September 30. This program runs through calendar year 2018, and final surcharges will be totaled December 31. The surcharges support the Breast Cancer Research Foundation.
2017 Report:
Two commemorative coin programs began in FY 2017. The Boys Town Centennial Commemorative Coin Program had revenue of $6.0 million with surcharges of $0.9 million through September 30. This program runs through calendar year 2017 and final surcharges will be totaled December 30. The surcharges support the Boys Town National Hotline, Boys Town National Research Hospital, and other community services.
The Lions Clubs International Centennial Silver Dollar Program had revenue of $3.9 million with surcharges of $0.8 million through September 30. The surcharges allowed the Lions Clubs to further its programs for the blind and visually impaired in the United States and abroad, to invest in adaptive technologies for the disabled, and to invest in youth and those affected by a major disaster. Both of these commemorative coin programs ran through December 31, 2017.
Two commemorative coin programs ended during FY 2017. The National Park Service 100th Anniversary program had revenue of $16.2 million with surcharges of $2.2 million through September 30. The surcharges support National Park Foundation projects intended to preserve, protect, and promote National Park Service resources for public enjoyment.
The Mark Twain program had revenue of $12.1 million with surcharges of $1.7 million through September 30. The surcharges support Twain’s legacy through the following four institutions: the Mark Twain House & Museum; the Mark Twain Boyhood Home and Museum; the University of California, Berkeley; and Elmira College. These two commemorative programs ran through December 31, 2016.
2016 Report
Two commemorative coin programs began in FY 2016. The National Park Service 100th Anniversary program had revenue of $13.6 million with surcharges of $1.9 million through September 30. The surcharges support National Park Foundation projects intended to preserve, protect, and promote National Park Service resources for public enjoyment. The Mark Twain program had revenue of $11.1 million with surcharges of $1.6 million through September 30. The surcharges support Twain’s legacy through the following four institutions: the Mark Twain House & Museum; the Mark Twain Boyhood Home and Museum; the University of California, Berkeley; and Elmira College. These programs run through December 31, 2016.
Two commemorative coin programs ended during FY 2016. The 2015 U.S. Marshals Service 225th Anniversary program had revenue of $22.2 million with surcharges of $3.1 million. The first $5 million in surcha ges supported the U.S. Marshals Museum, Inc., with the remaining surcharges divided among the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association Foundation, and the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund. The 2015 March of Dimes Commemorative Coin Program had revenue of $8.5 million with surcharges of $1.6 million collected for its recipient organization, the March of Dimes Foundation, to help finance research, education, and services aimed at improving the health of women, infants and children. These programs ran through December 31, 2015.
2015 Report.
Two commemorative coin programs began in FY 2015. The 2015 U.S. Marshals Service 225th Anniversary program had revenue of $20.6 million with surcharges of $2.8 million through September 30. This program runs through calendar year 2015 and final surcharges will be totaled December 30. The first $5 million in surcharges will go to the U.S. Marshals Museum, Inc., with any remaining surcharges divided among the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association Foundation, and the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund. The 2015 March of Dimes Commemorative Coin Program had revenue of $8.1 million with surcharges of $1.5 million collected for its recipient organization, the March of Dimes Foundation, to help finance research, education, and services aimed at improving the health of women, infants, and children. These programs run through December 31, 2015.
Two commemorative coin programs ended during FY 2015. The 2014 Civil Rights Act of 1964 Silver Dollar had revenue of $4.4 million with surcharges of $0.9 million collected for its recipient organization, the United Negro College Fund. The 2014 National Baseball Hall of Fame Commemorative Coin Program had revenue of $50.9 million with surcharges of $7.9 million collected for its recipient organization, the National Baseball Hall of Fame.
More for your reading pleasure:
https://www.usmint.gov/about/reports
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And if you made it this far.
This is what the Mint now does as the end-of-year/run nears to try and ensure the recipient organization’s receive a surcharge.
Interview with Marc Landry, US Mint, Acting Associate Director of the Mint’s Numismatic and Bullion Directorate (5 Feb 19), Lowell ATB Quarter pre-launch forum. Talks about a lot of things. Skip to 17:15, a lady explains the process.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=561138404291818&id=194762709214&
I also posted this here: https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/12248626/#Comment_12248626
Wake up! LOL!
I am afraid that sales will not make the threshold to trigger paying a surcharge. Like other service organization commemorative coin programs recently this threshold was not met.
A question is what happens to the surcharges that were built in to the prices and collected from customers.
All surchages are used to pay all the associated costs for the commens. What’s left is paid to the organization, if anything. New measures were instituted (2017) to ensure there was something paid. See the vid for explanation (not going to try and transcribe
) (https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/12281136/#Comment_12281136)
The problem with the Coin World article, https://www.coinworld.com/news/us-coins/2019/01/commemorative-coin-surcharges-not-automatic.all.html, it has not been updated to reflect the Mint’s report for the Lion’s Club payment (2017 Report). Next was the 2013 Girl Scout but this was before the change mentioned above.
The American Legion head-shed has to convince the rank-and-file non-collector Legionnaire’s to take an interest and buy; and the best opportunity for a last push will be during the next Nation Convention. We will see how the Mint handles sales if there looks to be no surcharge $$ for the Legion late this year.
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For those interested in the convention:
The American Legion hosts its national convention in a different city each year and welcomes to it a large number of attendees. Legionnaires attending the event can take advantage of planned tourism attractions, discounted hotel and travel rates, Legion-sponsored events, and other convention-related offers.
Check back to view information on the 101st National Convention which will be held August 23 – 29, 2019, in Indianapolis, Indiana.
Location:
Indiana Convention Center & Lucas Oil Stadium
100 S. Capitol Avenue
Indianapolis, IN 46225
https://www.legion.org/convention/resources
I have been tracking weekly sales for almost 10 years now. If you take the second week sales figures and double them, you will get the approximate final sales on this program. The coin in the coin/medal set will be higher but the other 5 will not get any higher that double their third week of sales.
Thanks for the info/analysis.
Has there been any anomalies due influences outside of the Mint?
I have not been tracking gold & silver prices. I don’t think these programs move based on metal prices. It seems to be about marketing. Most of the recipient organizations do a poor job of marketing their coin. I would be shocked if the coins were available at the convention mentioned above. At least two of the three coins here are well done. The half dollar is terrible.
This is a chance to prove the mint can do marketing which has been poor to non-existent.
I ordered a couple golds 11 days ago, and the tracking still says shipped, but severe weather delay. I think the UPS ground truck got flooded crossing the Missouri or Mississippi. Terrible situation for the farmers and other families with severe flooding in that region of the country.
My US Mint Commemorative Medal Set
@Goldminers The weather is such a fickle thing, and deserves much respect. Hope you get your coins and in good shape, but 11 days is a long time even with ground.
March 31 numbers from the Mint:
On the bright side, there probably won't be a lot of CC cancellations and returns...
Shooting for lowest mintage?!
I really like the designs of the gold and silver. To bad the mint proves they are poor at marketing.....AGAIN. Especially to such a big national veterans organization.
New numbers from the Mint:
Sales have picked up. CC cancels must have been last week.
Everything went up except the 3-coin set and probably because it has that BO signage on the webpage with a date of 8 July.
12 says before the actual 50th anniversary date.
Amazing. LOL!
Discount ends at 3pm Eastern on 15 Apr.
April 14 sales numbers from the US Mint...
Not that bad, but we'll probably see the sales flatline in a month or so...
3 coin set is no longer backordered.
Week 6 sales data courtesy of the US Mint. Full sales data can be found in post 2 of this thread.
Well, it could be worse...
These are creeping along.
The gold and silver have good designs, IMO.
Waiting on the Vet medal set.
Ask nicely and you shall receive... (Or at least wait for the Friday night data dump...)
2019 American Legion 100th Anniversary Silver Dollar and American Veterans Medal Set (19CQ)
No other details yet. That's some pretty short notice, considering...
Thanks for the date. Clicking on the link came up missing in action. They must have caught an error and deleted it. It is in the product schedule for the 20th
https://catalog.usmint.gov/american-legion-100th-anniversary-2019-silver-dollar-and-american-veterans-medal-set-19CQ.html?cgid=2019-product-schedule
My calendar has a new note on the 20th and I'll be ready.
Nope, I screwed up the link.
I usually test the links I provide, but of course, the one of the times I didn't, I did wrong. Heh.
This and the currency!
Edit to add:
A guess on the price of the set:
2018 WWII Medal + Service Coin was $99.95.
This year the ASW is 99.9% vs 90%.
Most of this years silver coinage went up $3.
Do not know if the set is PF or UNC. Estimate $105.95 for PF and $99.95 UNC.
The Mint populated the web page:
2019 American Legion 100th Anniversary Proof Silver Dollar and Medal Set (19CQ)
The medal will NOT be struck on an ASE blank, but like the commemorative (and WWI medals) on a .999, 1.5" blank.
$99.95 . On sale May 20@Noon.
Considering four of the five WWI commems sold over 10K, this may sell out and become the winner of the American Legion commems.
Going to get this.
Glad it was not paired with the clad.
Thanks @BackroadJunkie!
Thanks for the heads up.
I'm in most definitely
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OT: If your collecting the Apollo coins, the joint US and Royal Australian Mint’s set is now available, more details in the Apollo thread: https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/12319313/#Comment_12319313
May 5 sales data from the US Mint. Full sales data can be found in post 2 of this thread.
No doubt about it. The uncirc numbers are dismal. The proofs are doing (relatively) okay.
What happened to the half uncircs? I double checked the numbers, they're correct...
The uncirc 50c (and the 50c in general) is lacking because of an extraordinarily poor design, IMO.
Ohhh boy here we go again do we think it’s a fast sell out? I will be buying my 1 and only limit allowed in 2 days!
In for one. Doubtful of sellout, but who knows. The Mint is throwing all kinds of curve balls that are seemingly doing well.
Picked a sheet at the Post Office today. $9.90. These are very nice.
Whew ! In and out. Lucky cuz I fell asleep and jolted awake at 4 minutes after Noon EDT.
USM067105xx
OMG! OMG! I forgot did they sell out?
Not likely from the response here.
I got one!
Forgot. Even wrote a pen and paper note, that I couldn’t figure out, until five mins ago.... “AM LEG” I’m thinking why’d I write down American Memorial quarters? Doh!
One on-the-way and should be here in a month give or take three weeks...
A sheet of which stamps? I must have missed it.
+1
Yes stamps, the Transcontinental Railroad ones. Looking at my post today and see it was not well done.....a little cryptic.
I was thinking that was what you meant. Realized I’m in the AL thread but I have the AM W quarters running around in my head and then there is the other “A” lettered coin (Apollo). Whew!
Back on track.
I think I posted the stamps in the wrong thread....sorry