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CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited June 30, 2018 10:33AM in U.S. Coin Forum

The Legend Collection Trade Dallar is back under a new owner and name Black Cat. It is nice to see these coins will remain in the registery. To breakaway from the tie with TDN, there are only two coins that are upgradable.

My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
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  • GazesGazes Posts: 1,648 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I saw this in today's Legend market report. Would love to know more about this collection (beyond the trade dollars) and this collector

  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 19,193 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The two coins currently available are crap. But don’t worry - gradeflation will break the tie soon enough

  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How long of a period of gradefaction has it been. Should there not be a period of gradedefalaton at some point?

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @tradedollarnut said:
    The two coins currently available are crap. But don’t worry - gradeflation will break the tie soon enough

    Hell multiple coins in the set should upgrade

  • PerfectionPerfection Posts: 142 ✭✭✭

    But they,won’t pass cac. Bc to my knowledge,is all cac

  • specialistspecialist Posts: 963 ✭✭✭✭✭

    BC s a coin purist. In the end he knows what me and Bruce did and feels no need to change anything. There will never be any TD set even remotely close! In fact, TDN will tell you, the coins in his old set are so powerful they could be raw and still trade for huge money as they are NOT inflated by grades. Definately 1/2 the set min would plus today.

    I can say this, he isn't the next Eliasberg, but watch this kitty develop-I know what he owns, he already does rank among the greatest collectors ever. And he is only getting started!

  • rickoricko Posts: 73,910 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow... strong words from a very knowledgeable individual (@specialist)....Makes me wonder what else this Black Cat has.... Cheers, RickO

  • specialistspecialist Posts: 963 ✭✭✭✭✭

    BC will post a few sets on the registry soon-but just a few. All I can tell you is one thing he is building a DOUBLE Type set (front and back) and he LOVES Pre 1800 coins. Last year, his first year buying-with out any fan fair, he spent well in excess of $10,000,000.00. Give him 2-3 years to finish a few things. And OMG he is circling Simpson for his patterns (which isn't happening). It is true he hisses about not being able to buy Simpsons Amzonian sets (all metals).

    Even better the kitty does not have sharp claws. He has no ego, just a passion for coins that's nearly as strong as crazy TDN's is. In the beginning we had no clue just what his collecting goals would be. He loves coins UNDERR $5,000.00 as much as $1 million plus pieces he owns. I'd guess his favorite coin is the $1 1794 PCGS MS64 CAC he bought last year.

    I would today with what he has, challenge his collection vs ANY collection out there (save for anything Legend built) for quality-ANY collection! he is 100% PCGS CAC and demands great eye appeal!

    If you go to ANA Show, stop at the ANA Museum show cases and check out his ORIGINAL Confederate Half and Cent (both ex Newman).

    MeOW!

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,457 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @specialist said:
    BC s a coin purist. In the end he knows what me and Bruce did and feels no need to change anything. There will never be any TD set even remotely close! In fact, TDN will tell you, the coins in his old set are so powerful they could be raw and still trade for huge money as they are NOT inflated by grades. Definately 1/2 the set min would plus today.

    I can say this, he isn't the next Eliasberg, but watch this kitty develop-I know what he owns, he already does rank among the greatest collectors ever. And he is only getting started!

    Well, I was going to guess he was connected to the Carolina Panthers but 10 Mil? I better guess again.

  • specialistspecialist Posts: 963 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hey not everyone is into banging the drum...The only reason he is appearing is he does want to share his coins and display them. His coins deserve to be seen. For me, I'm tired of others banging the drum with lesser quality.

    Many people do not know who Tyrannt is (I do and deal w/him)-and he IS one of the greatest collectors ever! He made ZERO noise while building his sets.

  • Thank you for the valuable insight... wishing Black Cat all the best in his collecting journey...

  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 10, 2018 5:33PM

    This cat has a new set of complete patterns. It hits the board in second place and 5% completion. Check it out.

    https://www.pcgs.com/SetRegistry/u-s-patterns/complete-sets/complete-patterns-die-trials-experimental-pieces/1124

    It appear some of these high grade patterns are from the Simpson Patterns. I believe there is a common denominator between these two collections. The Simpson Pattern set peaked in mid 2015, and there have been a slow sell off. It is interesting that as Simpson desire has lessen, there a new player that may be taking his place.

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • specialistspecialist Posts: 963 ✭✭✭✭✭

    First, Mr Simpson is still buying patterns. I recently sold him a unique piece. He never liked standards or some minor design pieces. He occasionally "fires" them.

    Black Cat is my customer, so of course when I get neat patterns either from Simpson or ones he does not need (which I get quite often), I sell them to him. The kitty already has over 200 wicked cool pieces.

    While old Delloy is out there getting all his fame, this cat is moving silently buying up coins that would make a litter box go clean (like TDN's TD set or his Confederate Half that will be on display at ANA).

    Sadly, a fur ball will stop BC from being the next Simpson because kitty is unhappy he can not get the Amazonian Gold set from him! BUT he sure will get almost everything else!
    MEOW!

  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 6, 2018 2:47PM

    The cent is not listed in the set yet. Note: Coins Facts do not list this coin as an original? Hmm

    https://www.pcgs.com/SetRegistry/private-issues-territorial-gold/territorial-private-issues/confederate-states-america-type-set-1861/1997

    MS65 Restrike coin provide by Coin Facts

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 6, 2018 3:28PM

    There was a sell of one of four known original halfs by Heritage Nov. 2017 and it is the Newcomer specimen. Maybe this is the half that Top Cat plans to display.

    https://coins.ha.com/itm/confederate-states-of-america/1861-50c-original-confederate-states-of-america-half-dollar-pr40-ngc-cac/a/1260-15125.s?hdnJumpToLot=1&x=0&y=0

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,457 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Currin said:
    How long of a period of gradefaction has it been. Should there not be a period of gradedefalaton at some point?

    At least fifty years that I know of. You can see it for yourself just looking at grading guides or reading descriptions of grades from the 1960's. Heck, that's just one of the reasons all the in-between-grades evolved.

  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,335 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Between gradeflation and ascending needs for "approval" it's a wonder that anyone wants a coin.

  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DCW said:
    Lots of metaphors in this thread. The kitty, a litterbox, even a furball standing in his way.
    A good read, even for someone like me who is allergic to cats

    I think she is into cats...

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • YorkshiremanYorkshireman Posts: 3,299 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I had thought that Black Cat was D.L. Hansen because of the TDN Trade dollar set.
    So, that is not that case?

    Yorkshireman,
    Obsessed “Master Collector” of pieces of history.



    Yorkshireman's Box of 20
  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 19,193 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not only is Hansen not Black Cat, he is not even in the litter.

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 19,193 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hansen bought my seated dollar set. BC the trade dollar set

  • specialistspecialist Posts: 963 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, we did buy the Newman Confederate Half and Cent. They will be on display at ANA. He also bought the 1794 $1 PCGS MS64 CAC last year for $2.8 million....He owns a few million dollar pieces. he just does not seek attention when he buys. he's partially coming out because the world should know there is more then one big cat around these days. In his other passion, he owns an extremely rare full alligator fossil that is the finest for the species (won't even go there on cost). When this kitty collects, he wants the best! He is only getting started! I stand by this comment, if he stopped today he would easily rank as having one of the greatest coin collections ever (NOT all his coins are posted).

    Heck, NO on cats for me. I have 3 big yappy birdies...

  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What happened to BC’s confederate coins? They have disappeared.

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Silence of this question is deafening....

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • AlongAlong Posts: 237 ✭✭✭

    What’s up with the Cat metaphors?

  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 19,814 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Along said:
    What’s up with the Cat metaphors?

    That’s his moniker

    m

    Walker Proof Digital Album
    Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
  • specialistspecialist Posts: 963 ✭✭✭✭✭

    His coins are around. I kinda spanked him for jumping into the registry thing. He is a very aggressive kitty.

    His Confederate coins will be on display at the big ANA display.

  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 3,030 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Along said:
    What’s up with the Cat metaphors?

    Yea, what's up?

    This red cat would like to meet the black cat......

    "Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
  • rickoricko Posts: 73,910 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My Maine Coon does not care for coins...I tried to get her interested, but she just sat on the slabs. :D:D Cheers, RickO

  • I had a Maine Coon growing up. He was huge. When stretched out he was so long he would open doors with the straight handles. He went anywhere he wanted in the house, just opened the doors.

    @ricko said:
    My Maine Coon does not care for coins...I tried to get her interested, but she just sat on the slabs. :D:D Cheers, RickO

  • rickoricko Posts: 73,910 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 10, 2018 10:28AM

    @ManifestDestiny....Maine Coon's are great cats... but they sure do shed...they are a large cat, and that long hair makes them seem even larger...Cheers, RickO

  • We lived in Florida so we would actually shave him so he wouldn’t get so hot. We would give him a male lion haircut. Full main, hair on the feet, and ball on the tail. Literally a lion haircut. He loved it because when you would pet him he could actually feel it on his skin. It was an awesome haircut for him and neighbors would come over and literally startle when he would come running out because he looked like a miniature lion.

    @ricko said:
    @ManifestDestiny....Maine Coon's are great cats... but they sure so shed...they are a large cat, and that long hair makes them seem even larger...Cheers, RickO

  • rickoricko Posts: 73,910 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ManifestDestiny...Yes, ours has a lion cut right now... due to the early heat here, she started to mat and no amount of brushing was working... so... second time... lion cut... and yes, it does look cool. Cheers, RickO

  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,335 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ricko said:
    @ManifestDestiny....Maine Coon's are great cats... but they sure do shed...they are a large cat, and that long hair makes them seem even larger...Cheers, RickO

    Maine Coons are good paperweights.
    Local gunsmith has one that never moves.
    Not dead.
    But no evidence of life. :D

  • rickoricko Posts: 73,910 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @topstuf ...Mine definitely moves...and her and the other cat run races around the house - especially at 3 in the morning...she sounds like a large dog hoofing the hallway... :D Cheers, RickO

  • STEWARTBLAYNUMISSTEWARTBLAYNUMIS Posts: 2,697 ✭✭✭✭

    This is suppose to be a Hansen Thread ?
    What are some of the most valuable coins in his collection ?
    How many million dollar coins does he own ?
    What are some of his favorite coins ?

  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @STEWARTBLAYNUMIS said:
    This is suppose to be a Hansen Thread ?

    No. This cat is staying in the dark. You can hear him, but you can’t see him. He posted his confederate set, but Mama Cat made him take it down.

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • specialistspecialist Posts: 963 ✭✭✭✭✭

    stewart,

    BC is 100% working with me. Just because he does not bang the drum publically like old Delloy does not mean he is a light weight. All I can say is last year, his purchases were fully in the Delloy league.

    His two most expensive items, TDN's TD set and the $1 1794 PCGS MS64 CAC. He absolutely is Bob Simpson jr on patterns-and he already has 200 WILD pieces. He wanted to come out much earlier then I wanted him (I am making him pull back). His Newman Confederate Half will be on display at the ANA Show at the ANA displays.

    If he stopped today-and he has ONLY been collecting for 1 1/2 years, I rank his collection among the greatest. And this is coming from ME. Be nice Stewart, he might buy some of your best copper....

    This cat is only getting started. Last week he bought the MONSTER 50C 1906S PCGS MS68 CAC (formerly NGC MS69) for a Type coin.

    He is ALL PCGS , ALL CAC ONLY too. He totally "gets it" about what to buy.

    Like Simpson, in the future, we will have his treasures displayed at major shows.

  • AlongAlong Posts: 237 ✭✭✭

    @ManifestDestiny said:
    We lived in Florida so we would actually shave him so he wouldn’t get so hot. We would give him a male lion haircut. Full main, hair on the feet, and ball on the tail. Literally a lion haircut. He loved it because when you would pet him he could actually feel it on his skin. It was an awesome haircut for him and neighbors would come over and literally startle when he would come running out because he looked like a miniature lion.

    Let’s see some lion cat pics?

  • gtstanggtstang Posts: 1,281 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @specialist said:
    stewart,

    BC is 100% working with me. Just because he does not bang the drum publically like old Delloy does not mean he is a light weight. All I can say is last year, his purchases were fully in the Delloy league.

    His two most expensive items, TDN's TD set and the $1 1794 PCGS MS64 CAC. He absolutely is Bob Simpson jr on patterns-and he already has 200 WILD pieces. He wanted to come out much earlier then I wanted him (I am making him pull back). His Newman Confederate Half will be on display at the ANA Show at the ANA displays.

    If he stopped today-and he has ONLY been collecting for 1 1/2 years, I rank his collection among the greatest. And this is coming from ME. Be nice Stewart, he might buy some of your best copper....

    This cat is only getting started. Last week he bought the MONSTER 50C 1906S PCGS MS68 CAC (formerly NGC

    He is ALL PCGS , ALL CAC ONLY too. He totally "gets it" about what to buy.

    Like Simpson, in the future, we will have his treasures displayed at major shows.

    There should be more thought into only buying pcgs and cac. If the right coin comes along that is not pcgs nor cac then you as a professional, I'm sure would say buy it and resubmit it.
    Anybody can submit a raw coin to pcgs and cac and make a few bucks if they don't limit themselves and learn their niche.

  • specialistspecialist Posts: 963 ✭✭✭✭✭

    BC wants insurance even tho he has me. Nothing wrong w/that.

    Trust me, we miss no coins of substance.

  • david3142david3142 Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 11, 2018 7:14AM

    Laura, I certainly don’t have the budget of Black Cat, but we do a lot of business together. What’s a guy gotta do to get a nickname? :wink:

    Also, I second the request for some lion cat pics.

  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 2,920 ✭✭✭✭✭

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,457 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll bet some folks at Heritage (where he bought his fossil) know the name of the "Big Kitty." B)

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,881 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Along said:
    What’s up with the Cat metaphors?

    Food processor puns.

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