@DIMEMAN said:
What if every good player wanted to move around until they got on a team where they could get a ring!
whats wrong with that?
If you have to ask...I can't explain it to you.
These are men not sheep they see something they want and they take it. they are not going to bow and scrape to the bossman for table scraps
Is that how you look at Ted Williams?
They didnt have a choice back then
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not many are talking about this, but i think San Antonio is a wild card destination. i know Bron loves Pop, and a Leonard-James alliance would be downright nasty imo. hell, that may be the only way to keep Kawhi in town, so it could very easily be a triumph of monumental proportions for the Spurs. not to mention, that's one organization not exactly known for treading water, so i expect them to make some noise in the offseason.
so in conclusion, remember this if it materializes because i will look really brilliant. if it doesn't go down, let's all just pretend that someone like sanction said it.
@galaxy27 said:
not many are talking about this, but i think San Antonio is a wild card destination. i know Bron loves Pop, and a Leonard-James alliance would be downright nasty imo. hell, that may be the only way to keep Kawhi in town, so it could very easily be a triumph of monumental proportions for the Spurs. not to mention, that's one organization not exactly known for treading water, so i expect them to make some noise in the offseason.
so in conclusion, remember this if it materializes because i will look really brilliant. if it doesn't go down, let's all just pretend that someone like sanction said it.
Its definitely possible but i think the biggest obstacles for a Spurs move would be they would have to gut the team to bring him in and LaMarcus Aldridge would probably want out again after Pop recommitted to him last offseason making him the focal point of their offense. Unless he's the player going to Cleveland in the sign & trade for Lebron but that might not make sense from a Cavs point of view with teaming him & Love.
Lebron to the Spurs would be great from a Celtics angle.
He is a very young player that will likely develop all areas of his game in the next couple of years (he really needs to develop a dependable shot or two). If he does, he will likely become an all time great point guard, similar to Magic Johnson. His skill set at running the point guard position is off the charts now. His potential is unlimited and he has the ability to make everyone around him better.
I agree he's probably going to be great but in that scenario i mentioned i think Philly benefits more from a Kawhi-Lebron-Embiid trio than Lebron-Simmons-Embiid trio. Before this last injury Kawhi was the best two way player in basketball whose already been a 2x DPOY & a Finals MVP. They also wouldn't have the problem of trying to see how Lebron & Simmons play together when both need the ball in their hands to excel.
@DIMEMAN said:
Also, there is no way James is worth 35M.......NO WAY!!!
Then no one is. Who is worth more?
This is what the top 25 make now. Of course James is going to make the most
Paul Millsap makes 31 million! Mike Conley make 28 million.
2017-18
Stephen Curry, Warriors: $34,682,550
LeBron James, Cavaliers: $33,285,709
Paul Millsap, Nuggets: $31,269,231
Gordon Hayward, Celtics: $29,727,900
Blake Griffin, Pistons: $29,512,900
Kyle Lowry, Raptors: $28,703,704
Russell Westbrook, Thunder: $28,530,608
Mike Conley, Grizzlies: $28,530,608
James Harden, Rockets: $28,299,399
DeMar DeRozan, Raptors: $27,739,975
Al Horford, Celtics: $27,734,405
Carmelo Anthony, Thunder: $26,243,760
Damian Lillard, Trail Blazers: $26,153,057
Jrue Holiday, Pelicans: $25,686,667
Chris Bosh, Heat: $25,289,390
Kevin Durant, Warriors: $25,000,000
Otto Porter, Wizards: $24,773,250
Chris Paul, Rockets: $24,599,495
C.J. McCollum, Trail Blazers: $23,962,573
Bradley Beal, Wizards: $23,775,506
Anthony Davis, Pelicans: $23,775,506
Andre Drummond, Pistons: $23,775,506
Hassan Whiteside, Heat: $23,775,506
Dwight Howard, Hornets: $23,500,000
Chandler Parsons, Grizzlies: $23,112,004
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This is an interesting article. I wonder how Cavs fans feel about it
The Cavs drafted LeBron James in 2003, and all these years later it seems all they’ll have to show for it is one NBA title.
One.
The greatest (or second-greatest) basketball player of all time came here, and the franchise — through an ill-fated parade of front-office staff, coaches, trades, draft picks, free-agent signings and so on — never could build much around LeBron.
In total, Cleveland will have had James for 11 seasons and won just one trophy. The Cavaliers only got a second chance because LeBron grew up down the road in Akron.
Through the lens of history, it’s almost impossible to fathom and will only get worse. Chicago had Michael Jordan for 13 seasons and won six titles. The Lakers had Magic Johnson for 13 and won five. Larry Bird delivered three to Boston in 13. Tim Duncan won five in 19 seasons for San Antonio. Kobe Bryant got five for the Lakers in 20. It goes on and on.
The great ones win titles, and the great franchises find ways to complement them with the needed tools. Cleveland was never really able to do that.
The Cavs never really got him a great coach. They never found him great supporting casts. The best superstar they ever paired with him was Kyrie Irving, who was critical in that lone championship. Cleveland traded him to Boston last summer in what might be a microcosm of what went wrong all these years.
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This was his best season ever. For sure he has more great seasons behind him then in front of him. Do you under stand how the slots in the salary structure work? You do in order to understand why he will be paid $35 million next year
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@Justacommeman said:
This was his best season ever. For sure he has more great seasons behind him then in front of him. Do you under stand how the slots in the salary structure work? You do in order to understand why he will be paid $35 million next year
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If I was an owner I would spend 35M differently for sure.
@Justacommeman said:
This was his best season ever. For sure he has more great seasons behind him then in front of him. Do you under stand how the slots in the salary structure work? You do in order to understand why he will be paid $35 million next year
If I was an owner I would spend 35M differently for sure.
I certainly agree for most teams
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Mark, part of the reason the Cavs with Lebron James have only one title is bad other-player management, but a bigger factor is pure bad luck and, for lack of a better term, fate. if those other stars you mentioned and the Teams they played on had to go against these current Warriors the outcome would be different for them. I have said it before, titles are won by Teams and not players, Lebrons Teams haven't been supportive enough and that rests on the front office.
@keets said:
Mark, part of the reason the Cavs with Lebron James have only one title is bad other-player management, but a bigger factor is pure bad luck and, for lack of a better term, fate. if those other stars you mentioned and the Teams they played on had to go against these current Warriors the outcome would be different for them. I have said it before, titles are won by Teams and not players, Lebrons Teams haven't been supportive enough and that rests on the front office.
The Bull's from the 90's could have played with the Warriors......no problem.
Jon, you are blinded by Jordan and have no objectivity when there is any mention of his name. we all get that. to you he was the greatest and anything that even hints at anything else is akin to heresy to you.
Lebron himself deserves some of the bad management blame when he has had a HUGE say in what players get added to his teams. Everyone wants to point out how bad his supporting cast is right now but it could have been much much worse if it wasn't for the Cavs rookie GM who at the trade deadline turned a horrible Cavs team into one good enough to get to the Finals.
@larryallen73 said:
Why doesn't he just take $5m, on a one year deal, and join whatever team is best? Does he really need $35m?
Ego. In my scenario in the OP about him coming to Boston I said I'd take him here only if it didn't gut the team and he signed for the Mid-level exception. I think if he ever wanted to prove to Kyrie Irving that he would be serious about playing with him again and it wouldn't be like it was in Cleveland,he could put his ego aside and play for less money leaving Kyrie one of the highest paid on the team.
@keets said:
Jon, you are blinded by Jordan and have no objectivity when there is any mention of his name. we all get that. to you he was the greatest and anything that even hints at anything else is akin to heresy to you.
keets, Jordan and the 90's Bull' are considered the greatest of all time by way more experts in the field than me. What they did in the 90's......2 three-peats......is WAY more than the Warriors have accomplished! It's not just me.
@keets said:
Jon, you are blinded by Jordan and have no objectivity when there is any mention of his name. we all get that. to you he was the greatest and anything that even hints at anything else is akin to heresy to you.
keets, Jordan and the 90's Bull' are considered the greatest of all time by way more experts in the field than me. What they did in the 90's......2 three-peats......is WAY more than the Warriors have accomplished! It's not just me.
Its as though you consider people who are good at sports to be heroic. Some guy that runs into a burning building to rescue a cat is a bigger hero than any fool that can dribble a basketball will ever be.
Lebron is like any other athlete and any other working stiff when it comes to money. I doubt that anyone in this thread's discussion would work for 15% of their established value just because they are financially secure. that is what $5million for Lebron would be and it is foolish to think that is an ego problem. it is just that his VALUE has been established at around $35million so that's what he gets paid.
I agree it is an exorbitant salary but it is what the economics states. is it just Lebron's salary that upsets people?? is everyone satisfied that Curry is worth what he gets paid??
I only used the Lebron taking a huge paycut thing as a way for him to show he's willing to buy into this team & Kyrie without hurting the roster. Ego = Highest paid,that is a real thing with any of the best players in the major sports. Sure there some superstars that are willing to help their team by not demanding the most money(Durant & Brady come to mind) but that is pretty rare.
This is all moot anyways because Lebron isn't going to sign for less or come to Boston and i don't see the Celtics realistically making any effort to bring him here. Outside of re-signing a couple backup players and using their draft picks,I doubt Ainge makes any other major moves.
@keets said:
Lebron is like any other athlete and any other working stiff when it comes to money. I doubt that anyone in this thread's discussion would work for 15% of their established value just because they are financially secure. that is what $5million for Lebron would be and it is foolish to think that is an ego problem. it is just that his VALUE has been established at around $35million so that's what he gets paid.
I agree it is an exorbitant salary but it is what the economics states. is it just Lebron's salary that upsets people?? is everyone satisfied that Curry is worth what he gets paid??
Lebron is better than curry so he should make more. However , instead of giving lebron a raise curry gets a hair cut, and while we are at it shave that scooby doo soul patch thing off his chin , it makes him look 12.
Discussions about how much someone should be paid for what they do are always interesting to participate in and observe.
Many times the contracts signed by star players get criticized for being too high. Multi millions of dollars per year paid to an athlete for playing a game is viewed as being inappropriate. The money paid to the athletes would be better spent on curing cancer, housing the homeless, providing health care, etc., etc.
Yet similar arguments are not made about an actor being paid $25 million to star in a movie; or a singer or musical group going on a world tour and making $250 million.
The free market operates to determine what a person's services are "worth" and accordingly what that person should be paid. If LeBron James can command a $40 million per year contract to play basketball for the next 4 years and the team he plays for is willing to pay him this much money there is no reason why he should not ask for and take that amount of money (if he decides he wants a max contract). Signing James to a 4 year $40 million per year contract may be a great investment for the team that signs him. Having him on the team may double the value of same and/or triple the annual revenue of the team (to the benefit of the owner who pays him). The ROI the owner of the team receives for signing James to a $40 million per year contract may be massive.
The business side of sports, including pro sports, would be a very interesting area to work in.
LaBron is worth every dollar he gets. SanctionII hit the nail on the head. I would love to see him stay in Cleveland but I would wish him well wherever he goes. He took Cleveland to four straight finals and in hindsight the one he won in 2016 was one of the greatest comebacks in NBA history. BTW the Bulls of Jordan would give the Warriors a better fight than Cleveland but the results would be the same.
@Brick said:
LaBron is worth every dollar he gets. SanctionII hit the nail on the head. I would love to see him stay in Cleveland but I would wish him well wherever he goes. He took Cleveland to four straight finals and in hindsight the one he won in 2016 was one of the greatest comebacks in NBA history. BTW the Bulls of Jordan would give the Warriors a better fight than Cleveland but the results would be the same.
I don't particularly like mercenaries in sports. It was the Yankees that started and perpetrated that decades ago. However, in today's sports world as we all know, mercenaries are now commonplace.
So I agree with ya, I wouldn't mind if LeBron stays in Cleveland. But if he is going to leave, I'll gladly take him coming to Philly.
@Brick said:
LaBron is worth every dollar he gets. SanctionII hit the nail on the head. I would love to see him stay in Cleveland but I would wish him well wherever he goes. He took Cleveland to four straight finals and in hindsight the one he won in 2016 was one of the greatest comebacks in NBA history. BTW the Bulls of Jordan would give the Warriors a better fight than Cleveland but the results would be the same.
Those Bulls teams with Jordan would have beat the Warriors......they were a better team …… with better defense.
@Brick said:
LaBron is worth every dollar he gets. SanctionII hit the nail on the head. I would love to see him stay in Cleveland but I would wish him well wherever he goes. He took Cleveland to four straight finals and in hindsight the one he won in 2016 was one of the greatest comebacks in NBA history. BTW the Bulls of Jordan would give the Warriors a better fight than Cleveland but the results would be the same.
Those Bulls teams with Jordan would have beat the Warriors......they were a better team …… with better defense.
I doubt it but it sure would have been epic
mark
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Jordan had 9 All-Defense first team honors, Rodman had 7 All-Defense first team honors, Pippen 8 All-Defense first team honors. The Warriors have one plus defender - Green. Pippen is probably the greatest defensive forward in the history of the NBA. Jordan and Rodman both won defensive player of the year awards. I think the Warriors would have trouble competing at all against the Bulls.
Lebron nearly beat the Warriors by himself in game 1 and the Rockets took the Warriors to 7 games and were up 3-2. Without a Chris Paul injury we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
Will be interesting if Steve Kerr ever weighs in once he finished coaching. He probably has the best perspective.
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I believe it was Mark Jackson that said good offense beats good defense in today’s game
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I didn’t realize Cleveland had the worst record in the NBA the four years he was gone
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@fergie23 said:
Jordan had 9 All-Defense first team honors, Rodman had 7 All-Defense first team honors, Pippen 8 All-Defense first team honors. The Warriors have one plus defender - Green. Pippen is probably the greatest defensive forward in the history of the NBA. Jordan and Rodman both won defensive player of the year awards. I think the Warriors would have trouble competing at all against the Bulls.
Fact is, the best teams that Jordan's Bulls faced were the '86 Celtics and the '89 Pistons, for sure. Maybe the '95 Magic as well.
How many NBA All Defensive teams has Klay been on? Zero. Klay is one of the most overrated defenders in the NBA.
if we are to discuss this rationally(read: not like Dimeman) than we need to be objective, otherwise it ends up being a stupid argument.
I don't think anyone will deny that the Bulls of that era were great Teams and that some of the players were great defenders, but did they ever have to defend against players like Kevin Durant and Steph Curry??
--- as much as it pains me to admit it, Curry has a certain skill that I have never seen before, he is capable of launching shots he has no business of taking that have a high probability of going through the net. in a word, undefensible.
--- what player among those Bulls would or could defend Kevin Durant?? he can drive to the rim, drop threes from eight feet beyond the arc and make an 8-10-12-14-16 foot mid-range shot like it's nobody's business. in a word, undefensible.
all throughout this thread it has been repeated that the Warriors have a "gear" that no other Teams have, has had or that anyone can remember seeing from ANY NBA Team. that being the case, how exactly would the Bulls defend them?? Chicago may have had great defensive players but(and again it pains me to say it) Golden State seems to have players who work in synch within a system which is hard to penetrate. I believe this as I type it, they would not shut down Jordan but they would neutralize him as no other Teams could. the Warriors are a prime example of the Team being greater than the sum of the individual parts. also, I can't think of anyone besides maybe the Boston Celtics who are as good in transition.
I would put it like this: If the Bulls had faced this Golden State Team in four of the six Michael Jordan Championship years how many titles would they have won?? at the same time, if the Cleveland Teams that have faced Golden State for those four years were facing the Teams that the Chicago Bulls played in four of there six Championship years how many titles would they have won?? I think the answer would somewhat skew our perception of Jordan and James as well as alter the trajectory of their legacies.
what I don't think would change is what we think of the Warriors, they would still be on the edge of immortality and working on exactly where they fit into the talk of greatest Teams of all-time.
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They didnt have a choice back then
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not many are talking about this, but i think San Antonio is a wild card destination. i know Bron loves Pop, and a Leonard-James alliance would be downright nasty imo. hell, that may be the only way to keep Kawhi in town, so it could very easily be a triumph of monumental proportions for the Spurs. not to mention, that's one organization not exactly known for treading water, so i expect them to make some noise in the offseason.
so in conclusion, remember this if it materializes because i will look really brilliant. if it doesn't go down, let's all just pretend that someone like sanction said it.
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Its definitely possible but i think the biggest obstacles for a Spurs move would be they would have to gut the team to bring him in and LaMarcus Aldridge would probably want out again after Pop recommitted to him last offseason making him the focal point of their offense. Unless he's the player going to Cleveland in the sign & trade for Lebron but that might not make sense from a Cavs point of view with teaming him & Love.
Lebron to the Spurs would be great from a Celtics angle.
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Philly would be nuts to part with Ben Simmons.
He is a very young player that will likely develop all areas of his game in the next couple of years (he really needs to develop a dependable shot or two). If he does, he will likely become an all time great point guard, similar to Magic Johnson. His skill set at running the point guard position is off the charts now. His potential is unlimited and he has the ability to make everyone around him better.
I agree he's probably going to be great but in that scenario i mentioned i think Philly benefits more from a Kawhi-Lebron-Embiid trio than Lebron-Simmons-Embiid trio. Before this last injury Kawhi was the best two way player in basketball whose already been a 2x DPOY & a Finals MVP. They also wouldn't have the problem of trying to see how Lebron & Simmons play together when both need the ball in their hands to excel.
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Someone is going to have to explain the Williams/Freezer thing???
Also, there is no way James is worth 35M.......NO WAY!!!
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ted-williams-frozen-head-batting-practice-cryogenics-lab-book-article-1.381985
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Then no one is. Who is worth more?
This is what the top 25 make now. Of course James is going to make the most
Paul Millsap makes 31 million! Mike Conley make 28 million.
2017-18
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This is an interesting article. I wonder how Cavs fans feel about it
The Cavs drafted LeBron James in 2003, and all these years later it seems all they’ll have to show for it is one NBA title.
One.
The greatest (or second-greatest) basketball player of all time came here, and the franchise — through an ill-fated parade of front-office staff, coaches, trades, draft picks, free-agent signings and so on — never could build much around LeBron.
In total, Cleveland will have had James for 11 seasons and won just one trophy. The Cavaliers only got a second chance because LeBron grew up down the road in Akron.
Through the lens of history, it’s almost impossible to fathom and will only get worse. Chicago had Michael Jordan for 13 seasons and won six titles. The Lakers had Magic Johnson for 13 and won five. Larry Bird delivered three to Boston in 13. Tim Duncan won five in 19 seasons for San Antonio. Kobe Bryant got five for the Lakers in 20. It goes on and on.
The great ones win titles, and the great franchises find ways to complement them with the needed tools. Cleveland was never really able to do that.
The Cavs never really got him a great coach. They never found him great supporting casts. The best superstar they ever paired with him was Kyrie Irving, who was critical in that lone championship. Cleveland traded him to Boston last summer in what might be a microcosm of what went wrong all these years.
Full article
https://sports.yahoo.com/cavaliers-lebron-james-era-can-summed-two-words-incompetence-062632731.html
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Fake news......don't believe everything you read.
There are several on this list that I would rather have.......and at least 1 not on the list. Lebrons best years are behind him.
This was his best season ever. For sure he has more great seasons behind him then in front of him. Do you under stand how the slots in the salary structure work? You do in order to understand why he will be paid $35 million next year
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If I was an owner I would spend 35M differently for sure.
Milwaukee a possibility to play with Giannis, Middleton, Bledsoe and maybe Parker? Just remembered, the new arena opens next year too.
Jeff
Could be safe to say the Commissioner does not want to see LBJ defect to the West. More power imbalance for the league.
I certainly agree for most teams
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Mark, part of the reason the Cavs with Lebron James have only one title is bad other-player management, but a bigger factor is pure bad luck and, for lack of a better term, fate. if those other stars you mentioned and the Teams they played on had to go against these current Warriors the outcome would be different for them. I have said it before, titles are won by Teams and not players, Lebrons Teams haven't been supportive enough and that rests on the front office.
The Bull's from the 90's could have played with the Warriors......no problem.
Jon, you are blinded by Jordan and have no objectivity when there is any mention of his name. we all get that. to you he was the greatest and anything that even hints at anything else is akin to heresy to you.
Why doesn't he just take $5m, on a one year deal, and join whatever team is best? Does he really need $35m?
Lebron himself deserves some of the bad management blame when he has had a HUGE say in what players get added to his teams. Everyone wants to point out how bad his supporting cast is right now but it could have been much much worse if it wasn't for the Cavs rookie GM who at the trade deadline turned a horrible Cavs team into one good enough to get to the Finals.
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Ego. In my scenario in the OP about him coming to Boston I said I'd take him here only if it didn't gut the team and he signed for the Mid-level exception. I think if he ever wanted to prove to Kyrie Irving that he would be serious about playing with him again and it wouldn't be like it was in Cleveland,he could put his ego aside and play for less money leaving Kyrie one of the highest paid on the team.
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keets, Jordan and the 90's Bull' are considered the greatest of all time by way more experts in the field than me. What they did in the 90's......2 three-peats......is WAY more than the Warriors have accomplished! It's not just me.
The more i analyze it, the more I think James is coming to the Sixers.
That's my worthless opinion about this, and I'm sticking to it.
Its as though you consider people who are good at sports to be heroic.
Some guy that runs into a burning building to rescue a cat is a bigger hero than any fool that can dribble a basketball will ever be.
Lebron is like any other athlete and any other working stiff when it comes to money. I doubt that anyone in this thread's discussion would work for 15% of their established value just because they are financially secure. that is what $5million for Lebron would be and it is foolish to think that is an ego problem. it is just that his VALUE has been established at around $35million so that's what he gets paid.
I agree it is an exorbitant salary but it is what the economics states. is it just Lebron's salary that upsets people?? is everyone satisfied that Curry is worth what he gets paid??
I only used the Lebron taking a huge paycut thing as a way for him to show he's willing to buy into this team & Kyrie without hurting the roster. Ego = Highest paid,that is a real thing with any of the best players in the major sports. Sure there some superstars that are willing to help their team by not demanding the most money(Durant & Brady come to mind) but that is pretty rare.
This is all moot anyways because Lebron isn't going to sign for less or come to Boston and i don't see the Celtics realistically making any effort to bring him here. Outside of re-signing a couple backup players and using their draft picks,I doubt Ainge makes any other major moves.
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Lebron is better than curry so he should make more. However , instead of giving lebron a raise curry gets a hair cut, and while we are at it shave that scooby doo soul patch thing off his chin , it makes him look 12.
Discussions about how much someone should be paid for what they do are always interesting to participate in and observe.
Many times the contracts signed by star players get criticized for being too high. Multi millions of dollars per year paid to an athlete for playing a game is viewed as being inappropriate. The money paid to the athletes would be better spent on curing cancer, housing the homeless, providing health care, etc., etc.
Yet similar arguments are not made about an actor being paid $25 million to star in a movie; or a singer or musical group going on a world tour and making $250 million.
The free market operates to determine what a person's services are "worth" and accordingly what that person should be paid. If LeBron James can command a $40 million per year contract to play basketball for the next 4 years and the team he plays for is willing to pay him this much money there is no reason why he should not ask for and take that amount of money (if he decides he wants a max contract). Signing James to a 4 year $40 million per year contract may be a great investment for the team that signs him. Having him on the team may double the value of same and/or triple the annual revenue of the team (to the benefit of the owner who pays him). The ROI the owner of the team receives for signing James to a $40 million per year contract may be massive.
The business side of sports, including pro sports, would be a very interesting area to work in.
LaBron is worth every dollar he gets. SanctionII hit the nail on the head. I would love to see him stay in Cleveland but I would wish him well wherever he goes. He took Cleveland to four straight finals and in hindsight the one he won in 2016 was one of the greatest comebacks in NBA history. BTW the Bulls of Jordan would give the Warriors a better fight than Cleveland but the results would be the same.
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Ralph
I don't particularly like mercenaries in sports. It was the Yankees that started and perpetrated that decades ago. However, in today's sports world as we all know, mercenaries are now commonplace.
So I agree with ya, I wouldn't mind if LeBron stays in Cleveland. But if he is going to leave, I'll gladly take him coming to Philly.
Those Bulls teams with Jordan would have beat the Warriors......they were a better team …… with better defense.
I doubt it but it sure would have been epic
mark
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Jordan had 9 All-Defense first team honors, Rodman had 7 All-Defense first team honors, Pippen 8 All-Defense first team honors. The Warriors have one plus defender - Green. Pippen is probably the greatest defensive forward in the history of the NBA. Jordan and Rodman both won defensive player of the year awards. I think the Warriors would have trouble competing at all against the Bulls.
Lebron nearly beat the Warriors by himself in game 1 and the Rockets took the Warriors to 7 games and were up 3-2. Without a Chris Paul injury we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
Will be interesting if Steve Kerr ever weighs in once he finished coaching. He probably has the best perspective.
Robb
have you ever heard of Klay Thompson?
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
Looks like the Spurs are going after Lebron.
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2018/06/10/report-gregg-popovich-wants-to-sit-down-with-lebron-james-pitch-spurs/
Eric
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I like this
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I believe it was Mark Jackson that said good offense beats good defense in today’s game
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I couldn't care less where he goes. I tried....but just can't.
From a C's fan perspective Lebron leaving the East is a best case scenario.
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I still think Houston would be great so they would then have 3 ISO players. They could fight over the ball to see who got to go ISO!
I would actually love watching them play.
I didn’t realize Cleveland had the worst record in the NBA the four years he was gone
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
lots of fond memories during those 4 years if you were a cavs fan
like the time they took anthony bennett first overall
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
They will go back to a worst record team if/after he goes.
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Ralph
I wrote Lebron a letter saying that if he signed with the Sixers, i'd buy him a delicious Philly cheesesteak, and a large drink to go along with it.
I'm hoping that will sway him.
if LeBron was single and contemplating SA, this would've been something he'd need to take into consideration.
4:39......it's worth it.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=s9jRQLEMuQM
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
Fact is, the best teams that Jordan's Bulls faced were the '86 Celtics and the '89 Pistons, for sure. Maybe the '95 Magic as well.
How'd those work out for Jordan and Co?
have you ever heard of Klay Thompson?
How many NBA All Defensive teams has Klay been on? Zero. Klay is one of the most overrated defenders in the NBA.
Robb
How many NBA All Defensive teams has Klay been on? Zero. Klay is one of the most overrated defenders in the NBA.
if we are to discuss this rationally(read: not like Dimeman) than we need to be objective, otherwise it ends up being a stupid argument.
I don't think anyone will deny that the Bulls of that era were great Teams and that some of the players were great defenders, but did they ever have to defend against players like Kevin Durant and Steph Curry??
--- as much as it pains me to admit it, Curry has a certain skill that I have never seen before, he is capable of launching shots he has no business of taking that have a high probability of going through the net. in a word, undefensible.
--- what player among those Bulls would or could defend Kevin Durant?? he can drive to the rim, drop threes from eight feet beyond the arc and make an 8-10-12-14-16 foot mid-range shot like it's nobody's business. in a word, undefensible.
all throughout this thread it has been repeated that the Warriors have a "gear" that no other Teams have, has had or that anyone can remember seeing from ANY NBA Team. that being the case, how exactly would the Bulls defend them?? Chicago may have had great defensive players but(and again it pains me to say it) Golden State seems to have players who work in synch within a system which is hard to penetrate. I believe this as I type it, they would not shut down Jordan but they would neutralize him as no other Teams could. the Warriors are a prime example of the Team being greater than the sum of the individual parts. also, I can't think of anyone besides maybe the Boston Celtics who are as good in transition.
I would put it like this: If the Bulls had faced this Golden State Team in four of the six Michael Jordan Championship years how many titles would they have won?? at the same time, if the Cleveland Teams that have faced Golden State for those four years were facing the Teams that the Chicago Bulls played in four of there six Championship years how many titles would they have won?? I think the answer would somewhat skew our perception of Jordan and James as well as alter the trajectory of their legacies.
what I don't think would change is what we think of the Warriors, they would still be on the edge of immortality and working on exactly where they fit into the talk of greatest Teams of all-time.