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Gold Brasher Doubloon copy to be sold at the ANA
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collectors are always screaming for new designs and I think Ron Landis could provide them.
Will I buy one? No.
I'd rather spend my money on real coins.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
<< <i>Will this replica coin have a big "COPY" punched into it? >>
I have asked Monaco (last Monday, after the story broke in Coin World Online) if the copies will be marked with the word "COPY" in accordance with the Hobby Protection Act of 1973, but to date have not received a reply. If I do, I will mention it here.
If they are not to be marked in accordance with the HPA, then the ANA should not allow it to happen on the premises of their convention, regardless of the promised donation.
TD
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<< <i>Will this replica coin have a big "COPY" punched into it? >>
I have asked Monaco (last Monday, after the story broke in Coin World Online) if the copies will be marked with the word "COPY" in accordance with the Hobby Protection Act of 1973, but to date have not received a reply. If I do, I will mention it here.
If they are not to be marked in accordance with the HPA, then the ANA should not allow it to happen on the premises of their convention, regardless of the promised donation.
TD >>
I would say yes plus what the good Captain said.
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<< <i>Will this replica coin have a big "COPY" punched into it? >>
I have asked Monaco (last Monday, after the story broke in Coin World Online) if the copies will be marked with the word "COPY" in accordance with the Hobby Protection Act of 1973, but to date have not received a reply. If I do, I will mention it here.
If they are not to be marked in accordance with the HPA, then the ANA should not allow it to happen on the premises of their convention, regardless of the promised donation.
TD >>
I certainly hope the ANA would not allow itself to be a part of anything involving unmarked copies.
Not sure if this new news is good news or bad news for owners of the previous 1990's version?
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In this case, it's not on the wing, but in the tail
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<< <i>Novodel??? >>
Isn't that Russian for reproduction?
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but thus far never for a privately-minted item, particularly modern-made. Has anyone else seen this usage of "novodel"?
Anyone have an idea of the proposed mintage of the new Brasher Copy? What about the mintage of the previously made Replica?
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<< <i>Baley, I believe I see "COPY" in the eagles left wing, he has hidden it well. >>
Tail feathers. Had to look for it.
<< <i>I don't know about you, but I would love to own one!
Doubloon >>
By the way, excellent pictures that really show the wear on this "Mint State" coin. I know that you cannot grade a coin from pictures, but I used to work for the man that owned it.
TD
0.9167 gold like the other, but half the weight
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Why would anybody want to waste coin money on modern copies of anything!
Does Hobby Protection Act cover non US colonial issues? Also, how about restrikes? Since this is marketed under a restrike ("Novotel") will it require a copy stamp?
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
<< <i>I can't say NO loud enough!
Why would anybody want to waste coin money on modern copies of anything! >>
More junk!
can't say NO loud enough!
Why would anybody want to waste coin money on modern copies of anything!
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I totally agree with both of you. These reproductions do not get remotely close to "U.S. Coins".
<< <i>Not a fan of the "COPY" mark. If it has it, not for me. If it is a restrike, no copy mark, then I would consider buying one. However, it should be in .890 gold.
Does Hobby Protection Act cover non US colonial issues? Also, how about restrikes? Since this is marketed under a restrike ("Novotel") will it require a copy stamp? >>
Here are the definitions:
http://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/federal_register_notices/1975/02/40fedreg.pdf
Does not have to be U.S. Does not have to be a legal tender coin or note.
As to not wanting to have it on an item, I do not want to have to pay self-employment tax on my writing income, but that want does not give me the right to ignore the law.
TD
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I certainly wont buy one.
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<< <i>Novodel??? >>
Isn't that Russian for reproduction? >>
Not really,
Novodels are supposed to be official "restrikes" by the mint. In Russia they were
either the original dies or reworked original dies of very rare dates where usually only museums owned or in very few private hands.
So they were ordered by exceedingly wealthy Russians to make a very limited amount for them.
I own two different ones and as far as I know there are only one or two of mine minted by the Saint Petersburg Mint.
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<< <i>Well I guess there wont be many sold with the big old COPY mark.
I certainly wont buy one. >>
Are you saying that they should ignore the law because a few people don't want to obey it?
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<< <i>Well I guess there wont be many sold with the big old COPY mark.
I certainly wont buy one. >>
Are you saying that they should ignore the law because a few people don't want to obey it? >>
I'm tempted to say something political about "ignore the law" but I'll spare you. I do agree that unless there is an obvious design change such as using dual dates for example, there needs to be a "COPY" stamp added to these coins.
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<< <i>Novodel??? >>
Of course not! It just sounds better in the marketing literature.
Novodel, by definition, is a govt authorized restrike.
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I certainly hope the ANA would not allow itself to be a part of anything involving unmarked copies. >>
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<< <i>Well I guess there wont be many sold with the big old COPY mark.
I certainly wont buy one. >>
Are you saying that they should ignore the law because a few people don't want to obey it? >>
I'm tempted to say something political about "ignore the law" but I'll spare you. I do agree that unless there is an obvious design change such as using dual dates for example, there needs to be a "COPY" stamp added to these coins. >>
Thank you. And I hope there is some obvious design change in these pieces, such as the addition of a 2014 date, but the manufacturers are being rather coy about the final design.
<< <i>I'm tempted to say something political about "ignore the law" but I'll spare you. >>
I never said "ignore the law", what I said was .......Not a fan of the "COPY" mark. If it has it, not for me. If it is a restrike, no copy mark, then I would consider buying one.
Restrikes bearing different dates, like 2014, I wouldn't think it would have to bear a COPY mark.
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<< <i>I'm tempted to say something political about "ignore the law" but I'll spare you. >>
I never said "ignore the law", what I said was .......Not a fan of the "COPY" mark. If it has it, not for me. If it is a restrike, no copy mark, then I would consider buying one.
Restrikes bearing different dates, like 2014, I wouldn't think it would have to bear a COPY mark. >>
Agreed. Then it would be a commemorative medallion, privately struck just as the piece it commemorated was privately struck.
A good analogy would be the Paris Mint restrike of the Libertas Americana medal for the American Bicentennial, with the 1976 date on it.
<< <i>There may be some "spin" on this one, so it doesn't have to bear a copy mark? Not sure. >>
Nobody knows. As of today I have still not heard from Monaco Rare Coins.
original, keeping within the intent of the HPA
Also it mentions it will carry the 1787 date
No mention of a copy stamp
<< <i>The CW article mentions "alterations" made which will distinguish the coin from the
original, keeping within the intent of the HPA
Also it mentions it will carry the 1787 date
No mention of a copy stamp >>
I saw that, but the question is, how significant are the "alterations?"
<< <i>I don't know about you, but I would love to own one!
Doubloon >>
Go for it then!
The name is LEE!
I think they are trying to do a very accurate restrike, I believe a lot more accurate that the $50 octagonals or $10 horseman.
TD
<< <i>Just spoke with somebody at Monaco. Doesn't look as though there will be any problem with the design or Hobby Protection Act compliance. I do not think that stamping them with "COPY" will be necessary.
TD >>
That is good news that no "copy" will be necessary. Now I'm interested. Did you happen to ask about a price range?
Thanks! MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Otherwise, meh.
If it looks like the older GM copies pictured, I'm out.
No offense but they have the look of that TV seller stuff to me.
Edit to add: Original pieces of this period have a unique character which can't be accurately reproduced with modern planchets, equipment, etc. IMO.
The fact that these will be done with a screw press and counterstamped by hand does intrigue me though; perhaps this method will capture the character of the original.
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<< <i>Just spoke with somebody at Monaco. Doesn't look as though there will be any problem with the design or Hobby Protection Act compliance. I do not think that stamping them with "COPY" will be necessary.
TD >>
That is good news that no "copy" will be necessary. Now I'm interested. Did you happen to ask about a price range?
Thanks! MJ >>
No.
The design will be slightly different so copy will not be stamped on it.
It will be about an ounce of gold.
Will only be available at the ANA.
It will be less than $2000!
Woot!
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