The design will be slightly different so copy will not be stamped on it. It will be about an ounce of gold. Will only be available at the ANA. It will be less than $2000!
Woot! >>
Any idea on how many they will strike for ANA?
MJ
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I'm just got hold with Monaco rep, they said you can order online, as many as you want (up to 10,000). they also have "SS Central America Octagonal Humbert $50 Gold Commemorative” 2.5 oz for $3718 look exactly like the orginal. I dunno it is worth to pay that much or not.
The design will be slightly different so copy will not be stamped on it. It will be about an ounce of gold. Will only be available at the ANA. It will be less than $2000!
Woot! >>
Any idea on how many they will strike for ANA?
MJ >>
No. You can call and ask.
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not a "TV" sales piece like previously mentioned by another author
no copy mark, very true to original, I would have preferred the same fineness of gold, although 26.4 grams, less than one ounce.
much more desirable than the old Gallery Mint copies with "COPY" in very large block letters..... >>
In the interest of clarity, my comment was that the older Gallery Mint pieces reminded me of the TV seller stuff, not this piece. The reality is no one knows how these new pieces will look until they're struck. It is hoped they are done in the style of the original.
<< <i>I'm just got hold with Monaco rep, they said you can order online, as many as you want (up to 10,000). they also have "SS Central America Octagonal Humbert $50 Gold Commemorative” 2.5 oz for $3718 look exactly like the orginal. I dunno it is worth to pay that much or not. >>
Thank you for the info………MJ
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
not a "TV" sales piece like previously mentioned by another author
no copy mark, very true to original, I would have preferred the same fineness of gold, although 26.4 grams, less than one ounce.
much more desirable than the old Gallery Mint copies with "COPY" in very large block letters..... >>
In the interest of clarity, my comment was that the older Gallery Mint pieces reminded me of the TV seller stuff, not this piece. The reality is no one knows how these new pieces will look until they're struck. It is hoped they are done in the style of the original. >>
If they don't require the "copy" stamp, then they WON'T be as much like the original as the older Gallery Mint copy (which was also done on screw press with hand made dies)
One cannot have it both ways. Either it will be quite different from the original, or it will require the stamp.
<< <i>If they don't require the "copy" stamp, then they WON'T be as much like the original as the older Gallery Mint copy >>
I don't agree.
If i'm not mistaken, the Gallery Mint did not have access to a genuine coin for their reproduction. Even though the Gallery Mint reproductions were decent, I don't think they were that close to original.
I think there probably is something a little different here around interpretation of the HPA, some sort of "gray" area allowing this coin to be produced. I paid particular attention to the use of "novotel", or official restrike. It's probably rolled up somewhere in there......
The person I spoke with told me that they were probably going to add something to the design which, if they do it, would satisfy me that the piece would not require stamping with the word "COPY."
However, he said that the final design was not yet finished, so I reserve my final opinion until I see the final design to see if that design element was added or not.
TD
Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
I think the point would be that they will be using the type of technology available at the time. Engraver Ron Landis has stated that he's attempting to use the type of tools from the era to carve the die and will be striking them live at the ANA show on a screw press while detailing a history.
Just got a call from Monacorarecoins said this coin price at $1975 on NGC slab, and he also stated on eagle right wing has .9999 gold marked. I it can be order now and deliver in 2nd or 3rd wk of August. what do you guy think?
<< <i>Just got a call from Monacorarecoins said this coin price at $1975 on NGC slab, and he also stated on eagle right wing has .9999 gold marked. I it can be order now and deliver in 2nd or 3rd wk of August. what do you guy think? >>
Having the fineness on the wing is a good idea, as the edge inscription might get covered up by the slab.
Any word on the "2014" date that they are going to add to the design?
TD
Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
<< <i>Just got a call from Monacorarecoins said this coin price at $1975 on NGC slab, and he also stated on eagle right wing has .9999 gold marked. I it can be order now and deliver in 2nd or 3rd wk of August. what do you guy think? >>
Having the fineness on the wing is a good idea, as the edge inscription might get covered up by the slab.
Any word on the "2014" date that they are going to add to the design?
TD >>
no, I think .9999 mark is good enough to tell different for original coin.
<< <i>Just got a call from Monacorarecoins said this coin price at $1975 on NGC slab, and he also stated on eagle right wing has .9999 gold marked. I it can be order now and deliver in 2nd or 3rd wk of August. what do you guy think? >>
Quite a markup over melt for a modern copy.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
<< <i>edge inscription of fineness would have sufficed >>
Our opinions differ.
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Wouldn't necessarily need to say "COPY" as it could have had a small "2014" added to the design somewhere instead. Would've made more sense than .9999 to me and be less intrusive to the design.
<< <i>Wouldn't necessarily need to say "COPY" as it could have had a small "2014" added to the design somewhere instead. Would've made more sense than .9999 to me and be less intrusive to the design. >>
I was told by a representative of Monaco that they would "probably" be putting a small "2014" either right or left of the word "BRASHER." That would be sufficient, in my opinion, for the piece to not need to be stamped with the word "COPY."
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Also, a bit ironic that the original PR about the Brasher replicas by Landis showed an image of an "EB" punch that the release said would be struck on the wing. Now they are saying that .9999 will be struck on the wing. I guess they had a photo of Landis' "EB" punch from the first Brasher replica he made years ago.
<< <i>Stamping the buyer's initials into the coin would be a nice custom touch.
Doesn't the "COPY" requirement only apply to actual US coinage and not to privately minted coinage? >>
No.
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That is what I was told would appear, "1787" and "2014" flanking the word "BRASHER." That works for me to keep it legal.
TD
Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
<< <i>That is what I was told would appear, "1787" and "2014" flanking the word "BRASHER." That works for me to keep it legal. >>
How hard would it be to remove those numbers given that these are .9999 gold? >>
Not hard at all.
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What's melt value for these coins? I'm curious how much of a premium over melt these coins are being sold for. >>
Last I heard, approx. 3/4ths of approx. $1300. Roughly $975.
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Acc'd to Landis: "The original coin was struck in .890 fine gold. The ones we strike will be .9999 fine and weigh the same amount as the original at 26.4 grams."
Someone asked earlier in the thread about the mintages of the Gallery Mint Museum issued Brasher design from 1999 and the new one Ron Landis was commissioned to do for Monaco. Acc'd to the GMM Feb. 2000 newsletter, there were 233 doubloons and 102 half doubloons issued. Monaco, on the other hand, says optimistically that they are commissioning up to 10,000. Aside from having an expensive trinket to offer, I urge those going to the ANA show to listen to Landis' spiel while there minting them onsite and benefit from the hands-on education he obtained whilst researching and working on the reproduction. Landis' latest comment was that Brasher showed to be more of a goldsmith than a minter. I hope David Lisot or someone can videotape some of it and make it available online
I didn't read all of this thread, but I can say that I have bought and sold 3 of the older Brasher Doubloon copies in NGC holders over the past 5 years. Each and every time they sold at auction for perhaps $50 over the melt value. I bought them for the gold value only, based on previous sales. The issue I had was scarce and finding sales records was tough, but also not impressive at all.
I recall that New York Mint (in Minneapolis), dba govmint.com online, had these slabbed by NGC (or someone close to them). The people I bought the coins from were other dealers, who both the coins OTC from retail customers who had purchased them from telemarketers. I called govmint.com several times and sent many emails. They seemed interested in a buyback, but nothing ever happened. That's my input, for whatever it is worth to you.
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<< <i>Just spoke with them.
The design will be slightly different so copy will not be stamped on it.
It will be about an ounce of gold.
Will only be available at the ANA.
It will be less than $2000!
Woot! >>
Any idea on how many they will strike for ANA?
MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
not a "TV" sales piece like previously mentioned by another author
no copy mark, very true to original, I would have preferred the same fineness of gold, although 26.4 grams, less than one ounce.
much more desirable than the old Gallery Mint copies with "COPY" in very large block letters.....
<< <i>
<< <i>Just spoke with them.
The design will be slightly different so copy will not be stamped on it.
It will be about an ounce of gold.
Will only be available at the ANA.
It will be less than $2000!
Woot! >>
Any idea on how many they will strike for ANA?
MJ >>
No. You can call and ask.
PCGS Registries
Box of 20
SeaEagleCoins: 11/14/54-4/5/12. Miss you Larry!
<< <i>this will be an interesting piece
not a "TV" sales piece like previously mentioned by another author
no copy mark, very true to original, I would have preferred the same fineness of gold, although 26.4 grams, less than one ounce.
much more desirable than the old Gallery Mint copies with "COPY" in very large block letters..... >>
In the interest of clarity, my comment was that the older Gallery Mint pieces reminded me of the TV seller stuff, not this piece.
The reality is no one knows how these new pieces will look until they're struck. It is hoped they are done in the style of the original.
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
<< <i>I'm just got hold with Monaco rep, they said you can order online, as many as you want (up to 10,000). they also have "SS Central America Octagonal Humbert $50 Gold Commemorative” 2.5 oz for $3718 look exactly like the orginal. I dunno it is worth to pay that much or not. >>
Thank you for the info………MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>
<< <i>this will be an interesting piece
not a "TV" sales piece like previously mentioned by another author
no copy mark, very true to original, I would have preferred the same fineness of gold, although 26.4 grams, less than one ounce.
much more desirable than the old Gallery Mint copies with "COPY" in very large block letters..... >>
In the interest of clarity, my comment was that the older Gallery Mint pieces reminded me of the TV seller stuff, not this piece.
The reality is no one knows how these new pieces will look until they're struck. It is hoped they are done in the style of the original. >>
If they don't require the "copy" stamp, then they WON'T be as much like the original as the older Gallery Mint copy (which was also done on screw press with hand made dies)
One cannot have it both ways. Either it will be quite different from the original, or it will require the stamp.
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
<< <i>If they don't require the "copy" stamp, then they WON'T be as much like the original as the older Gallery Mint copy >>
I don't agree.
If i'm not mistaken, the Gallery Mint did not have access to a genuine coin for their reproduction. Even though the Gallery Mint reproductions were decent, I don't think they were that close to original.
I think there probably is something a little different here around interpretation of the HPA, some sort of "gray" area allowing this coin to be produced. I paid particular attention to the use of "novotel", or official restrike. It's probably rolled up somewhere in there......
However, he said that the final design was not yet finished, so I reserve my final opinion until I see the final design to see if that design element was added or not.
TD
Given current technology, I would think they should be able to make a very good restrike. If it is left up to artistic design, Im not so sure.
and isn't a Landis Dubloon
<< <i>Just got a call from Monacorarecoins said this coin price at $1975 on NGC slab, and he also stated on eagle right wing has .9999 gold marked. I it can be order now and deliver in 2nd or 3rd wk of August. what do you guy think? >>
Having the fineness on the wing is a good idea, as the edge inscription might get covered up by the slab.
Any word on the "2014" date that they are going to add to the design?
TD
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<< <i>Just got a call from Monacorarecoins said this coin price at $1975 on NGC slab, and he also stated on eagle right wing has .9999 gold marked. I it can be order now and deliver in 2nd or 3rd wk of August. what do you guy think? >>
Having the fineness on the wing is a good idea, as the edge inscription might get covered up by the slab.
Any word on the "2014" date that they are going to add to the design?
TD >>
no, I think .9999 mark is good enough to tell different for original coin.
<< <i>Just got a call from Monacorarecoins said this coin price at $1975 on NGC slab, and he also stated on eagle right wing has .9999 gold marked. I it can be order now and deliver in 2nd or 3rd wk of August. what do you guy think? >>
Quite a markup over melt for a modern copy.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
I'm out. Just ruined the whole thing for me and probably many others.
Good luck Monaco.....you'll sell a couple hundred max.
<< <i>.9999 mark in the design on the wing?
I'm out. Just ruined the whole thing for me and probably many others.
Good luck Monaco.....you'll sell a couple hundred max. >>
It was either modify the design or add a big "COPY". I think they made the right choice.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
<< <i>edge inscription of fineness would have sufficed >>
Our opinions differ.
<< <i>Wouldn't necessarily need to say "COPY" as it could have had a small "2014" added to the design somewhere instead. Would've made more sense than .9999 to me and be less intrusive to the design. >>
I was told by a representative of Monaco that they would "probably" be putting a small "2014" either right or left of the word "BRASHER." That would be sufficient, in my opinion, for the piece to not need to be stamped with the word "COPY."
Doesn't the "COPY" requirement only apply to actual US coinage and not to privately minted coinage?
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Also, a bit ironic that the original PR about the Brasher replicas by Landis showed an image of an "EB" punch that the release said would be struck on the wing. Now they are saying that .9999 will be struck on the wing. I guess they had a photo of Landis' "EB" punch from the first Brasher replica he made years ago.
<< <i>Our opinions differ. >>
Well you know what they say about opinions.....
<< <i>Stamping the buyer's initials into the coin would be a nice custom touch.
Doesn't the "COPY" requirement only apply to actual US coinage and not to privately minted coinage? >>
No.
This shows the date.
This shows the edge.
From Ron Landis's FaceBook. https://www.facebook.com/ron.landis1
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
<< <i>isn't it just about time for someone to tell us for the 15th time in this thread that he isn't interested? >>
sure, why not
not interested.
<< <i>the bigger news should be that Ron Landis has re-entered Numismatics. >>
This is very exciting and I'm happy for Ron and the Gallery Mint.
Here's the link for Monaco Rare Coins, the company commissioning these pieces.
Good luck to them on raising $250,000 for the ANA!
<< <i>Here are some pics.
This shows the date.
This shows the edge.
From Ron Landis's FaceBook. https://www.facebook.com/ron.landis1 >>
That is what I was told would appear, "1787" and "2014" flanking the word "BRASHER." That works for me to keep it legal.
TD
<< <i>That is what I was told would appear, "1787" and "2014" flanking the word "BRASHER." That works for me to keep it legal. >>
How hard would it be to remove those numbers given that these are .9999 gold?
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<< <i>That is what I was told would appear, "1787" and "2014" flanking the word "BRASHER." That works for me to keep it legal. >>
How hard would it be to remove those numbers given that these are .9999 gold? >>
Not hard at all.
<< <i>Only $1975 w/ free shipping. >>
What's melt value for these coins? I'm curious how much of a premium over melt these coins are being sold for.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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<< <i>Only $1975 w/ free shipping. >>
What's melt value for these coins? I'm curious how much of a premium over melt these coins are being sold for. >>
Last I heard, approx. 3/4ths of approx. $1300. Roughly $975.
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<< <i>Only $1975 w/ free shipping. >>
What's melt value for these coins? I'm curious how much of a premium over melt these coins are being sold for. >>
Last I heard, approx. 3/4ths of approx. $1300. Roughly $975. >>
That's a hell of a premium over gold value. It may pay to wait a year or two and buy one on the secondary market.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
I knew it would happen.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
<< <i>Will PCGS and NGC be slabbing these coins? >>
the coin is in NGC slab. I just ordered one online, but not ship out until after the show.
Aside from having an expensive trinket to offer, I urge those going to the ANA show to listen to Landis' spiel while there minting them onsite and benefit from the hands-on education he obtained whilst researching and working on the reproduction. Landis' latest comment was that Brasher showed to be more of a goldsmith than a minter. I hope David Lisot or someone can videotape some of it and make it available online
<< <i>Too high of a premium for what it is. Interesting, but not interesting enough. >>
Agreed. I like them, but too high a premium for me.
PCGS Registries
Box of 20
SeaEagleCoins: 11/14/54-4/5/12. Miss you Larry!
I didn't read all of this thread, but I can say that I have bought and sold 3 of the older Brasher Doubloon copies in NGC holders over the past 5 years. Each and every time they sold at auction for perhaps $50 over the melt value. I bought them for the gold value only, based on previous sales. The issue I had was scarce and finding sales records was tough, but also not impressive at all.
I recall that New York Mint (in Minneapolis), dba govmint.com online, had these slabbed by NGC (or someone close to them). The people I bought the coins from were other dealers, who both the coins OTC from retail customers who had purchased them from telemarketers. I called govmint.com several times and sent many emails. They seemed interested in a buyback, but nothing ever happened. That's my input, for whatever it is worth to you.