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Topic Title: Mastro pleads guilty (Wagner Card)
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Created On: 11/30/2012 9:38 AM
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 11/30/2012 9:38 AM
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Will this hurt the vaue of the T206 Wagner?
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 11/30/2012 9:59 AM
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What about the company that said it was Nm-Mt?
The card that made them they gave a # grade to the card. Thats what Im more worried about.
 11/30/2012 10:09 AM
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<< What about the company that said it was Nm-Mt?
The card that made them they gave a # grade to the card. Thats what Im more worried about.
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My thoughts exactly.

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 11/30/2012 10:14 AM
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I thought he had already said he trimmed it. Unless it was just well known, but he never publicly admitted it.
 11/30/2012 10:21 AM
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Which company graded the card? And missed that?

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 11/30/2012 10:21 AM
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I believe that the issue is a seller not disclosing known alterations at sale is against the law. It's not illegal to alter something.
 11/30/2012 10:22 AM
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i started to type a comment then remembered i still have some packs in process and figured better to wait, assuming its the same company.
 11/30/2012 10:43 AM
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my cards are juiced? no wonder they've been so moody lately.

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 11/30/2012 10:46 AM
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<< Will this hurt the vaue of the T206 Wagner?
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Yes at least in the near term. I think the impact to the grader will be lesser if at all, but none of this is good for the industry for sure.

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 11/30/2012 10:54 AM
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wasn't this common knowledge?

I know I read somewhere well before this that the grader knew it was trimmed.
I don't think it will hurt the value of the card or grading.
Grading has evolved greatly since then and that card has taken on a legend of its own.
 11/30/2012 10:59 AM
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the speculation was already fresh the year they charged folks a couple bucks a head just to look at it during the National.

should these people pursue a class action lawsuit to recover those funds?

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You may be shocked to learn that some collectors and investors go by what is printed on the label. Yes, even with T206 Wagners.
 11/30/2012 11:04 AM
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I don't think there will be any sort of repurcussion for the grading company - besides the current owner making a "PSA Guarantee" claim.

But honestly, I doubt it.

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 11/30/2012 11:08 AM
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<< You may be shocked to learn that some collectors and investors buy for what's printed on the label. >>



What? No way. No one does that.

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 11/30/2012 11:27 AM
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<< wasn't this common knowledge?

I know I read somewhere well before this that the grader knew it was trimmed.
I don't think it will hurt the value of the card or grading.
Grading has evolved greatly since then and that card has taken on a legend of its own.
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 11/30/2012 11:57 AM
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If it was widely known why give the card a # grade then? Seems unfair to me.
 11/30/2012 12:07 PM
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It's just the tip of the iceberg I'm sure.
 11/30/2012 12:45 PM
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The value of the Wagner PSA 8 will decline by at least 50% after the plea is official.

The other story about fake GU jersey cards is also interesting. I guess there is reason why Topps is so stingy with the good GU jersey and autos.

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 11/30/2012 12:53 PM
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how will this affect psa as a whole?
 11/30/2012 1:07 PM
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