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1927-D Oregon Commemorative (Daniel Carr Issue)
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better to include something in the title to indicate what the thread is about.
Looks like its not for sale.
Go Dan!
Well, just Love coins, period.
<< <i>Like it or hate it, here it is...
New Release
(Edited to add DC to title) >>
Do I get a choice?
Coin's for sale/trade.
Tom Pilitowski
US Rare Coin Investments
800-624-1870
What is the attraction to these fantasy date counterfeits that involve the destruction of genuine coins? I don’t get it.
<< <i>I'm in the "hate it" crowd
What is the attraction to these fantasy date counterfeits that involve the destruction of genuine coins? I don’t get it. >>
The attraction, for me at least, is the chance to own something unusual and well crafted. The fact they're minted on genuine struck coins is appealing vs just
a plain silver planchet.
I don't own many, but do have the 1975 Ike; 1964 Peace dollars and just recently picked up the Morgans and the 1931-S Standing Liberty quarter.
I wish I had the where with all to send in the twenty gold as the host coin for a restruck, but don't, right now.
I'm not alone in this opinion as many of these limited releases are generating higher premiums on the open market once the coins are sold out (and, sometimes even before hand).
-I hope this at least partially explains the enjoyment in collecting these.
peacockcoins
<< <i>I wonder why he couldn't use a Franklin or a Kennedy. >>
Can't speak for him, but I'd think it would be for the integrity of the issue.
The host coin should match the type of overstrike.
peacockcoins
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<< <i>I wonder why he couldn't use a Franklin or a Kennedy. >>
Can't speak for him, but I'd think it would be for the integrity of the issue.
The host coin should match the type of overstrike. >>
The relief height (the difference between the lowest and highest points) on an Oregon Trail Half Dollar is almost 3 times that of a Morgan Dollar.
So Oregon Trail Half Dollars have very high relief. The only way to get a clean full impression is to utilize the existing relief and strike over an Oregon Trail Half Dollar.
If I used a Kennedy or Franklin, or Walking Liberty half dollar, the original design would clearly show, especially on the high points.
So I will only be using cleaned (or otherwise impaired) Oregon Trail Half Dollars.
<< <i>I'm in the "hate it" crowd
What is the attraction to these fantasy date counterfeits that involve the destruction of genuine coins? I don’t get it. >>
Andy Warhol painted a picture of a Campbell's Soup can label, and it became an icon of modern art.
Some things just aren't easily explained.
It is a "1927-D" over-strike, not "1927-S".
<< <i>I'm in the "hate it" crowd
What is the attraction to these fantasy date counterfeits that involve the destruction of genuine coins? I don’t get it. >>
Hate's strong word , i like the design but that's purely down to others than Dan Carr , it's like me taking a mercedes and sticking a Murray logo on it and doubling the price.I am on your side of the fence with it though Bill,id like to see an end to this.
I ask as I think it'll be a quick sellout and want to be close to a computer when it's offered.
peacockcoins
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<< <i>I'm in the "hate it" crowd
What is the attraction to these fantasy date counterfeits that involve the destruction of genuine coins? I don’t get it. >>
Hate's strong word , i like the design but that's purely down to others than Dan Carr , it's like me taking a mercedes and sticking a Murray logo on it and doubling the price.I am on your side of the fence with it though Bill,id like to see an end to this. >>
Really?
A cleaned and/or damaged commemorative half is like a Mercedes?
peacockcoins
<< <i>PS:
It is a "1927-D" over-strike, not "1927-S". >>
D for Dalles, Oregon?
I want one; I like all of his modern coin "redoes with date creativity" as they are most attractive aesthetically speaking and quite reasonably priced IMO - hope Dan does't get any ideas reading this..LOL
Most of the "haters" may not be familiar with his work, but I think for them to step on to their beloved Barber halves or whatever is quite their privilege.
Will say it again: "Go Dan!"
Well, just Love coins, period.
<< <i>Daniel, Any idea for a release date?
I ask as I think it'll be a quick sellout and want to be close to a computer when it's offered. >>
Maybe next month, just after the Denver ANA show.
<< <i>One more question.....Does the evidence of cleaning go away with the overstrike? >>
Yes.
I'll keep my eye out for it.
peacockcoins
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<< <i>I'm in the "hate it" crowd
What is the attraction to these fantasy date counterfeits that involve the destruction of genuine coins? I don’t get it. >>
Hate's strong word , i like the design but that's purely down to others than Dan Carr , it's like me taking a mercedes and sticking a Murray logo on it and doubling the price.I am on your side of the fence with it though Bill,id like to see an end to this. >>
Really?
A cleaned and/or damaged commemorative half is like a Mercedes? >>
Even you must realise how silly that reply is ? Nobody said it was akin to a car , i said if i took someone elses design and made a minor change..get the picture now ?
I fully support the Hobby Protection Act, and it angers me that these things are able to fly under it.
<< <i>These things should have some word on them like "COPY" or "FAKE." Then some scam artist will have a harder time selling these things as "a rare U.S. coin that has just been discovered from an unknown hoard." It's going to happen eventually, and when it does there will be a scandal. It will be one more excuse for those who like to dump numismatics to attack us all as a bunch of sharpies and con artists.
I fully support the Hobby Protection Act, and it angers me that these things are able to fly under it. >>
The date on the coins is hard to over-look.
Has anyone documented a case where someone spent many hundreds or thousands of dollars for one of the non-sensical Chinese fakes ?
I'm not taliking about deceptive existing-date Bust dollars and the like, I'm talking about the non-sensical pieces like the "1846-CC" Seated Liberty, for example ?
<< <i>These things should have some word on them like "COPY" or "FAKE." Then some scam artist will have a harder time selling these things as "a rare U.S. coin that has just been discovered from an unknown hoard." It's going to happen eventually, and when it does there will be a scandal. It will be one more excuse for those who like to dump numismatics to attack us all as a bunch of sharpies and con artists.
I fully support the Hobby Protection Act, and it angers me that these things are able to fly under it. >>
And therein lies a very curious specultion , would these items bring anywhere near asking price if it were stamped copy ? Even if only on the edge as was suggested last night. I don't think they would , and one must wonder at the the motivation of both selling and even more so buying these plagiarised coins.
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<< <i>These things should have some word on them like "COPY" or "FAKE." Then some scam artist will have a harder time selling these things as "a rare U.S. coin that has just been discovered from an unknown hoard." It's going to happen eventually, and when it does there will be a scandal. It will be one more excuse for those who like to dump numismatics to attack us all as a bunch of sharpies and con artists.
I fully support the Hobby Protection Act, and it angers me that these things are able to fly under it. >>
And therein lies a very curious specultion , would these items bring anywhere near asking price if it were stamped copy ? Even if only on the edge as was suggested last night. I don't think they would , and one must wonder at the the motivation of both selling and even more so buying these plagiarised coins. >>
"Plagiarized" implies a copyright violation. The vast majority of US Coin designs are not copyrighted (and can not be because they were paid for by taxpayers). And even if it was copyrighted, altering someone else's copyrighted product is not necesarily illegal. You can buy a car, paint it a crazy color, put your own emblems on it, and sell it as your own "edition" of that brand. Now if you built your own car from scratch and called it a "Mercedes", that could be a problem. But if you took an existing Mercedes, modified it and sold it, that would not be a problem.
For something not even made yet.
<< <i>Like any good salesman im sure you have all the loopholes figured DC , it doesnt excuse whats being done. >>
Are you making an accusation of plagiarism ?
PS:
I neither make, nor need, excuses.
If I think of a coin I'd like to have that doesn't already exist (date-wise), I make it.
I won't offer anything that I wouldn't consider collecting myself.
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<< <i>Like any good salesman im sure you have all the loopholes figured DC , it doesnt excuse whats being done. >>
Are you making an accusation of plagiarism ? >>
Do you feel guilty of the same ? Even slightly ?
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<< <i>Like any good salesman im sure you have all the loopholes figured DC , it doesnt excuse whats being done. >>
Are you making an accusation of plagiarism ? >>
Do you feel guilty of the same ? Even slightly ? >>
No. How about you ?
<< <i>Why would I ? Im not the guy touting altered coins and baubles on a US coin forum. >>
I'm not touting them. I never started a thread about one of my over-struck coins, ever.
I only post replies to correct and clarify what is being talked about.
Your use of the term "plagiarism" was not fitting in this case.
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<< <i>Why would I ? Im not the guy touting altered coins and baubles on a US coin forum. >>
I'm not touting them. I never started a tread about one of my over-struck coins, ever.
I only post replies to correct and clarify what is being talked about.
Your use of the term "plagiarism" was not fitting in this case. >>
Oh , i hadnt realised you designed the Oregon Commem and not just slapped a different date on an existing piece of work.
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<< <i>Why would I ? Im not the guy touting altered coins and baubles on a US coin forum. >>
I'm not touting them. I never started a tread about one of my over-struck coins, ever.
I only post replies to correct and clarify what is being talked about.
Your use of the term "plagiarism" was not fitting in this case. >>
Oh , i hadnt realised you designed the Oregon Commem and not just slapped a different date on an existing piece of work. >>
Taxpayers paid for that Oregon Trail design, so by law it is public domain.
I did not remove the James/Laura Fraser initials from the coins, and I credit them with the design on the certificates I package with the coins.
And, what I have made is an altered existing Oregon Trail, not one made from scratch.
<< <i>I'm in the "hate it" crowd
What is the attraction to these fantasy date counterfeits that involve the destruction of genuine coins? I don’t get it. >>
<< <i>Tomato - Tomatoe , it is what it is , a fake US coin.You'll defend them til the cows come home and for good reason , you make money hand over fist on these items.Good day to you , my yardwork awaits. >>
It can't be a "fake" 1927-D Oregon Trail half dollar if none previously existed. "Altered" yes, "fake" no.
<< <i>I'm in the "hate it" crowd
What is the attraction to these fantasy date counterfeits that involve the destruction of genuine coins? I don’t get it. >>
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Calling them "counterfeits" is potentially libelous. A genuine coin, altered to have features that were never previously issued (like a "hobo" nickel), is NOT a "counterfeit". It is an altered coin, and I advertise them as such.
Not your taste? Walk on to whatever it is you do like.
Meanwhile, I very much want one of the Oregons and look forward to another quality product. BTW, I have a very nice 1936 S but would like to have a set, just like I realy like his '64 Peace Dollars and enjoy having them alongside my US Mint struck versions.
Well, just Love coins, period.
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<< <i>Tomato - Tomatoe , it is what it is , a fake US coin.You'll defend them til the cows come home and for good reason , you make money hand over fist on these items.Good day to you , my yardwork awaits. >>
It can't be a "fake" 1927-D Oregon Trail half dollar if none previously existed. "Altered" yes, "fake" no. >>
According to my Redbook, the 1923-D and 1930-D dimes and 1915-D half eagles, that never previously existed until somebody made them outside of the Mint, are "counterfeit."
Amazing.
I'm a pretty open minded person and I have not read one compelling argument ever to persuade me from not adding these Fantasy pieces to my personal collection for my personal enjoyment.
No one has ever accused coin collectors in general to be the most out of the box or creative thinkers in the jungle.
For every blue chip collector in this thread posting against DC's work I could present you with another who collects his pieces with great interest.
To each is own.
MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
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<< <i>Tomato - Tomatoe , it is what it is , a fake US coin.You'll defend them til the cows come home and for good reason , you make money hand over fist on these items.Good day to you , my yardwork awaits. >>
It can't be a "fake" 1927-D Oregon Trail half dollar if none previously existed. "Altered" yes, "fake" no. >>
According to my Redbook, the 1923-D and 1930-D dimes and 1915-D half eagles, that never previously existed until somebody made them outside of the Mint, are "counterfeit." >>
Those coins were made with the intent to deceive, and/or to spend at face value for a profit. They were NOT over-struck on genuine legal-tender coins, and so they are currency counterfeits. That is the difference.
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<< <i>Tomato - Tomatoe , it is what it is , a fake US coin.You'll defend them til the cows come home and for good reason , you make money hand over fist on these items.Good day to you , my yardwork awaits. >>
It can't be a "fake" 1927-D Oregon Trail half dollar if none previously existed. "Altered" yes, "fake" no. >>
According to my Redbook, the 1923-D and 1930-D dimes and 1915-D half eagles, that never previously existed until somebody made them outside of the Mint, are "counterfeit." >>
Those coins were made with the intent to deceive, and/or to spend at face value for a profit. They were NOT over-struck on genuine legal-tender coins, and so they are currency counterfeits. That is the difference. >>
But it destroys your argument that it can't be fake just because none previously existed.
<< <i>Naysayers need to bring some more or different haters to the dance. The arguments against are getting old and tired. Just because one voices their personal opinions or laymen understanding of the law repeatedly against these fantasy issues doesn't make it so.
I'm a pretty open minded person and I have not read one compelling argument ever to persuade me from not adding these Fantasy pieces to my personal collection for my personal enjoyment.
No one has ever accused coin collectors in general to be the most out of the box or creative thinkers in the jungle.
For every blue chip collector in this thread posting against DC's work I could present you with another who collects his pieces with great interest.
To each is own.
MJ >>
The Chinese have made many non-existent date and mint mark combinations. If the Chinese started making their fakes out of silver, you would support the massive importation of those bogus coins into the country? Do you really want the U.S. coin market flooded with large numbers of this material?
I don’t find the production of these items to be a stroke of innovation. Anybody can sit around and visualize date and mint mark combinations that never existed. I find these to be something that ranges from an annoyance to a source of embarrassment to the hobby.