Where do you stand on toned gold coins?

coinsarefun · March 28, 2012 4:42AM

Do you like toned gold? I am referring to nice, appealing toned gold, not splotchy or unattractive gold

Does it have to be AU and below.......like crusty gold coins or can it be higher MS coins to look good?

Just like silver, some like or prefer their silver coins toned, some prefer them blast white. I would like to know
what the general consensus is here.

Also, would you pay a premium for the toning? Again we are speaking ONLY about nice appealing toned gold coins.

Explain your answers please

I guess I should use an example so I will post mine. If someone has another example please feel free to use yours.

lasvegasteddy · March 28, 2012 4:47AM

myself
1)yup...perz....i like toned gold...just say no to milk spots if gold eagles are plagued too
2)any grade works for me....lower grades have flavour in that they traveled and hold stories behind the lil nicks and bite marks
yup...that's the crowd i'm in
beautiful example there steff...i love it

MilkmanDan · March 28, 2012 4:52AM

I find your gold coin attractive. What I don't like are the rust spots that stand out and create poor eye appeal, either because they are really dark or located only one one part of the coin. Your coin shows color but it's spread out over the coin and doesn't destroy the luster. The eye appeal on that coin, IMO, is really high.

kiyote · March 28, 2012 4:52AM

I've seen a lot of modern commem $5s with attractive toning, some in 70 holders, too. One was a Jamestown. It seems like they're toned when they leave the mint!

Lakesammman · March 28, 2012 4:53AM

Me like.

Lakesammman · March 28, 2012 4:54AM

Sonorandesertrat · March 28, 2012 4:55AM

I strongly prefer nicely toned gold over coins that have a dipped-out look. My view is the same whether the item is a business strike (mint state or circulated), or a proof. I expect to pay a premium for ANY coin that has original-looking surfaces.

I purchased the Bechtler gold dollar featured in RYK's 'I am an idiot' thread on this forum because of the unusual, old-time toning.

kiyote · March 28, 2012 4:55AM

<< <i>I've seen a lot of modern commem $5s with attractive toning, some in 70 holders, too. One was a Jamestown. It seems like they're toned when they leave the mint! >>

Older material is nice, too, other than the "moth eaten" look of some old gold indian $5s I've seen. Ugh.

saintguru · March 28, 2012 5:04AM

OK....

I love toned gold. Although my spectrum is somewhat limited to 20th C., (I have seen many older gold coins, especially at the Smithsonian with phenomenal toning issues) I found that great MS64/65 or better coins are magnificent when they have toning. I would pay a premium for them all the time, as would the best collectors. I bought an amazing 1928 MS67 Saint that was one of the most superbly toned Saints I ever saw. When the market was ~$11,000 for MS67 Saints, Steve Duckor paid ME $18K for mine! (ok..i paid $7k.

)

When the coin sold in auction this Jan. at FUN (as an MS67+) it went for....................................................$54,600!!

How abou them apples?

kiyote · March 28, 2012 5:04AM

And the Saint weighs in!

LanceNewmanOCC · March 28, 2012 5:33AM

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is yumma yumma for mah tumma an acceptable answer?
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coinsarefun · March 28, 2012 5:42AM

Ok, we have heard from those who like toned gold coins and may or may not, but probably would pay a premium.

I need both sides to speak up........who does not like toned gold?

btw........we may be on to something here

It may appear that there are more toned gold lover than toned silver lovers

AnkurJ · March 28, 2012 5:51AM

I do like it but much is iffy. Between iodine and heat treatment, gold can get an array of colors.

BillJones · March 28, 2012 5:52AM

A great many Sesquicentennial quarter eagles have copper spots and toning. Most of them are not very attractive. The one you pictured is okay, but not beautiful IMO. Generally I like original gold, but I’ve seen some pieces that gone so far that they look like copper. Those coins don’t interest me in the least.

There was a stunning 1826 quarter eagle at the Baltimore show in PCGS AU-55 holder. The coin was not only a rare date within a rare series, but it was 100% original and very attractive. If I had not already had one for the type, I would have been more tempted to buy it.

This 1813 $5 gold (in MS-62) is has a fair amount of copper toning, and I like the piece. I can’t give blanket statements about my taste in original gold, I can only say thumbs up or thumbs down when I see a piece.

This one in AU-55 is also original. This is about as "crusty" as my taste will run.

PerryHall · March 28, 2012 5:59AM

I like nicely toned original gold and your sesquicentennial $2 1/2 gold commen is quite nice. I don't care for blotchy/unattractive toning and I don't care for copper spots if they are large or distracting. It's all about the eye appeal of the coin.

derryb · March 28, 2012 6:06AM

I don't care for the "toning" that appears on a small percentage of PCGS American gold eagles after they have been slabbed. Makes them look like they are made of brass.

GMan · March 28, 2012 6:18AM

My $2.5 Sesqui has a bit of toning just above the torch which I think looks like smoke and is interesting. However, I don't like the spot of it below united. Otherwise the color and luster are fantastic. Toning on circ gold doesn't bother me as much as is does on the unc pieces.

RichR · March 28, 2012 6:18AM

I'l give you $40/ounce for each and every one you've got!!!

njcoincrank · March 28, 2012 6:19AM

coinsarefun,

While I enjoy viewing a nice original gold coin showing the other alloys within it toning, I am sorry to say that I do not like your Sesqui. It is my humble, professional opinion that it is "doctored", that is that someone added something on it to enhance its appearance.

njcc

derryb · March 28, 2012 6:24AM

<< <i>coinsarefun,

While I enjoy viewing a nice original gold coin showing the other alloys within it toning, I am sorry to say that I do not like your Sesqui. It is my humble, professional opinion that it is "doctored", that is that someone added something on it to enhance its appearance.

njcc >>

disagree, looks like it spent a lot of years in a cardboard holder - couldn't be more natural.

Ronyahski · March 28, 2012 6:29AM

I strongly prefer toned gold. For the same reason I love toning on any other metal, it gives the coin more character. I would gladly pay a premium for attractive toning.

I would rather own a gold coin toned splotchy copper spots than one showing obvious signs of a good dipping.

It is really sad to see, as years go by, the number of high grade pedigreed golden beauties eventually suffer the same consequence of being dipped out.

This coin has beautiful orange rim toning, and it took a premium price (underbidder Mr. David Hall) to land it.

[Photo courtesy of Heritage, I don't have any better]

Like your Sesqui.

Justlooking · March 28, 2012 6:36AM

I like all gold.

But that first piece is killer. Love toned gold!

derryb · March 28, 2012 6:41AM

Photo by Brandon:

Sonorandesertrat · March 28, 2012 6:44AM

I am not fond of the look of THAT double eagle, which has been much discussed on this forum.

Eagleguy · March 28, 2012 6:45AM

Yet another sesqui...

JH

GeorgeKellogg · March 28, 2012 7:32AM

Here are my most vividly toned gold dollar, quarter eagle, and half eagle from the Dahlonega Mint. I like them a lot, but realize that toned coins aren't for everyone. I also appreciate more subtle toning.

darktone · March 28, 2012 7:40AM

Great looking coin! Here are two of mine.

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd114/darktone1964/grantobverse.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd114/darktone1964/grantreverse.jpg

CoinJunkie · March 28, 2012 7:56AM

Here ya go, Darktone:

jmb · March 28, 2012 8:04AM

GK, love that 1842-D. Wonder if it spent any time with my 1841-C ?

TwoSides2aCoin · March 28, 2012 10:00AM

orange makes my mouth water.

yellow freaks me out

keets · March 28, 2012 10:08AM

It is my humble, professional opinion that it is "doctored", that is that someone added something on it to enhance its appearance.

another iodine(?) rinse, perhaps??

Timbuk3 · March 28, 2012 10:14AM

Don't care much for toned gold !!!

coinkat · March 28, 2012 10:22AM

coin by coin basis-

CharlotteDude · March 28, 2012 12:06PM

I can dig it....

'dude

coinman23885 · March 28, 2012 12:32PM

This is not the kind of toning that I would pay a premium for.

darktone · March 28, 2012 1:29PM

Thanks coinjunkie!

Buzzybest · March 28, 2012 1:44PM

I just bought a red rim toned MOH FS PCGS PR69DCAM that was delivered today. Cert number is 19825673 and there is still one left (with picture) if anyone is interested on the Bay. No direct on picture will show the toning. Even in hand,you can only see the toning at an angle of about 30 degrees.I bought it at a reasonable price (check completions) and because the seller gave a very accurate and honest description of the toning. Although I don't think it would be worth submitting to our host as a "guarantee resubmission",I would be very interested in seeing what your informed opinions might be.

nwcoast · March 28, 2012 1:48PM

Yes, i might pay a premium if it was attractive toning. Like silver though, not all tonong is attractive.
I'd have to agree with coinkat in that the coin and toning need to be considered on. 'coin by coin' basis.
And "dipped-out" is not cool.

ajman · March 28, 2012 1:51PM

Personally I love 'em cuz I think that's one way to tell if a piece is original. I'm personally looking for a nice Charlotte and Dahlonega coin for my collection and one way I can tell if a coin passes muster so to speak is to look on Doug Winter's website to see what he likes and thinks is original. Unfortunately I get there too late once something is posted for sale there. Oh well eventually it'll happen.

coinsarefun · March 28, 2012 2:38PM

Thanks for all your replies and answering my curiosity side of me.
Some very good answers and examples here.

Darktone..........your Pan Pac $1 is stunning!
when your ready to sell please pm me

coinsarefun · March 28, 2012 2:43PM

I have a modern that toned in the original PCGS holder that is currently over at PCGS being
TrueViewed and re-holdered. It toned in the old holder and wanted to stop any further toning as
I feel it does not warrant any more toning. It is perfect now.
Its coming back to me in a MS70 holder. I will post the TrueView when I receive it.

Here is my image of it

Buzzybest · March 28, 2012 2:47PM

<< <i>I have a modern that toned in the original PCGS holder that is currently over at PCGS being
TrueViewed and re-holdered. It toned in the old holder and wanted to stop any further toning as
I feel it does not warrant any more toning. It is perfect now.
Its coming back to me in a MS70 holder. I will post the TrueView when I receive it.

Here is my image of it

>>

Was it an MS70 when you sent it in or was it upgraded?

coinsarefun · March 28, 2012 3:01PM

<< <i>Was it an MS70 when you sent it in or was it upgraded? >>

Yes, it toned this way while in the slab, or maybe the slab accelerated the toning?
However I bought it in an MS70 slab and to get it TrueViewed they need to crack it out and image then place in a new slab.

PerryHall · March 28, 2012 4:28PM

If they did a grade review what grade would PCGS give it?

ricko · March 28, 2012 11:04PM

I like my gold either bright, as minted, or crusty, with commerce history showing. I do not like the appearance exhibited by most examples above. Gold can be 'colored', it is not that difficult. Copper spots are distracting. Checking my gold that is slabbed, all PCGS, I see no tarnish developing. Checking my unslabbed gold (a whole bunch of it), I see no tarnish. As I said though, crusty, well traveled gold, is attractive to me too. Cheers, RickO

CharlotteDude · March 29, 2012 4:07AM

I would gladly stretch a bit more for an original, nicely toned and/or crusty early HE or Charlotte mint product.

regards,

'dude

coinsarefun · March 30, 2012 4:58AM

New holder, old one was MS70 now in new holder(the only way to get a TrueView
Still resides in MS 70. I never asked for anything other than images, which Phil has done his usual greatness!

Buzzybest · March 30, 2012 5:30AM

So what does PCGS do with modern gold coins graded 69 or better that are resubmitted with red spots or red rim toning on them?

notwilight · March 30, 2012 5:40AM

Very nice. I've got some toned 2006-W MS69 and MS70 gold I need to list on ebay. --Jerry

Lehigh96 · March 30, 2012 6:19AM

I like toning on gold, here is mine.

Goldbully · March 30, 2012 6:28AM

I love toned Gold.....

Where do you stand on toned gold coins?

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