If you saw a coin you wanted in a non-PCGS holder what would you do?

Halfhunter06 · February 11, 2012 12:33PM

A. Not buy the coin...too nervous it wouldn't cross

B. Buy it and cross it over

C. Buy it and keep it in the same slab

D. Buy it only if it was CAC

STONE · February 11, 2012 12:39PM

I would buy it if I wanted it.

It's a COIN I want, not the bells and whistles!

JCMhouston · February 11, 2012 12:41PM

Buy the coin and put it with the rest of my collection.

golden · February 11, 2012 12:42PM

Pass.

okracer · February 11, 2012 12:48PM

Uh.......buy the coin.

123cents · February 11, 2012 12:52PM

Buy!

CarlWohlforth · February 11, 2012 12:57PM

If it is for my collection I would buy it.

If it was for my registry set I would pass.

Unknown · February 11, 2012 1:01PM

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tightbudget · February 11, 2012 1:01PM

C

An exception would be if I thought it would get a meaningful upgrade

LogPotato · February 11, 2012 1:05PM

If I like the coin, I would buy it. It's surroundings mean nothing to me.

secondrepublic · February 11, 2012 1:05PM

seriously?

MidLifeCrisis · February 11, 2012 1:13PM

B. But it and cross it over

Seriously.

Raybo · February 11, 2012 1:16PM

If I liked it i'd buy it.
What was the question?

TwoSides2aCoin · February 11, 2012 1:23PM

I would find someone who wants it more than me, then buy it with his money.

BaronVonBaugh · February 11, 2012 1:27PM

ABC

It depends on what it is.

I still think CAC will go away sooner or later. It is a fad.

tradedollarnut · February 11, 2012 1:35PM

Buy it if the price was commensurate to the quality of the coin and I could reasonably assess said quality. Pass otherwise.

AnkurJ · February 11, 2012 1:36PM

If its for my registry: B

If its just for my collection: C

If its over $500: D

I have plenty of coins in NGC holders that I have no plans on crossing, but yes, many are CACd.

tradedollarnut · February 11, 2012 1:36PM

<< ABC

It depends on what it is.

I still think CAC will go away sooner or later. It is a fad. >>

While it may go away sooner or later, it most certainly is NOT a fad. When you have a little more experience with expensive coin purchases, you'll understand what value it provides.

etexmike · February 11, 2012 1:40PM

Probably pass.

Mike

Halfhunter06 · February 11, 2012 1:41PM

While it may go away sooner or later, it most certainly is NOT a fad.

I most certainly agree.

BAJJERFAN · February 11, 2012 1:42PM

Buy and keep it until another one came along and then decide what to do with it.

SkyMan · February 11, 2012 1:44PM

<< Buy it if the price was commensurate to the quality of the coin and I could reasonably assess said quality. Pass otherwise. >>

Absolutely... and I'd say the same for a coin in a PCGS slab.

GeorgeKellogg · February 11, 2012 1:44PM

All things being equal, I would probably buy it if I thought it was priced right. If it was for my core PCGS Dahlonega collection, I would buy it if I was pretty sure it would cross at a grade commensurate with its price level. One of my sub-collections is in PCGS OGHs, so that limits what I'm able to buy. I also like the older small ANACS holders, both aesthetically and from a grading standpoint, so I usually leave them in the ANACS holder, unless it's a Dahlonega piece.

Sonorandesertrat · February 11, 2012 1:58PM

Buy it

AnkurJ · February 11, 2012 1:59PM

<< 

<< ABC

It depends on what it is.

I still think CAC will go away sooner or later. It is a fad. >>

While it may go away sooner or later, it most certainly is NOT a fad. When you have a little more experience with expensive coin purchases, you'll understand what value it provides. >>

Unless coin doctors are completely eradicated from the industry, I dont see it going away.

jom · February 11, 2012 2:08PM

<< Buy it if the price was commensurate to the quality of the coin and I could reasonably assess said quality. Pass otherwise. >>

This is the obvious answer.

jom

Raybo · February 11, 2012 2:23PM

<< Buy it >>

Best answer yet!

rec78 · February 11, 2012 2:23PM

But it. Holders don't matter to me. I got most of my coins before grading caches came along. 97 per cent or more of my collection is not in any cache-most are in albums or two by two's.

Baley · February 11, 2012 2:34PM

Same as usual: buy it, crack it out, study it, photograph it, put it in an album, put the album in the SDB, look at the pictures often and visit the coin occasionally

RYK · February 11, 2012 2:39PM

Buy it and then start a thread indicting the slab company when it did not cross, did not sticker, did not sticker after crossing, or did not cross after stickering.

originalisbest · February 11, 2012 2:49PM

Obviously, buy it, if its a problem-free coin and is priced fairly in accordance with the grade I think it is.

mkman123 · February 11, 2012 2:55PM

I don't drink the koolaid, if I like the coin I buy it

DIMEMAN · February 11, 2012 3:05PM

Buy it and cross it.

scottgardener · February 11, 2012 3:13PM

It depends on its price range and my confidence in my grading skills with that particular coin series--which is still in training on just about all of them right now. It also depends on whose holder it is. I also collect NGC. I prefer PCGS but I recognize NGC as a legitimate competitor. Old ANACS I also recognize with some caveats. Modern ANACS and ICG I would be a bit more wary; though I acknowledge that they also have some well-published experts grading, they lack the top tier confidence that PCGS and NGC enjoy. Anything else I would ignore the holder and treat as if raw. (NCS would be treated the same as newer NGC details-graded, since it really basically is.) NGC with CAC gets a slight bump over PCGS without CAC, all other factors being equal. But, generally, the last few times I've been to coin shows, I've found what I wanted in PCGS with CAC, and I've been lucky enough to have two or three choices--since I've been doing type collecting recently--and it was a matter of picking what I thought was the best one of several coins with identical grading credentials.

lasvegasteddy · February 11, 2012 3:14PM

buy it club here

mozin · February 11, 2012 4:47PM

I might buy it if it had the CAC sticker. Otherwise, I would pass on the coin.

airplanenut · February 11, 2012 4:54PM

I have experience with this very dilemma! I bought the coin because I liked it. Shocking.

Justacommeman · February 11, 2012 5:00PM

Dale Friend once told me he considers all coins in all holders for consideration for purchase. That is good enough for me. Buy it if it is what you think it is.

MJ

PerryHall · February 11, 2012 5:40PM

If I like it (attractive, uncleaned, properly graded, etc) and the price makes sense, I'll buy it if it's in an NGC or PCGS slab.

howards · February 11, 2012 5:46PM

<< If it is for my collection I would buy it.

If it was for my registry set I would pass. >>

So your registry set isn't part of your collection?

howards · February 11, 2012 5:48PM

Buy it, even if it's raw.

I never make a decision based on a holder.

TahoeDale · February 11, 2012 6:05PM

The most recent experience with non-PCGS holders for high end capped bust halves
was the Joe Thomas sale at Cincy in April 2009. All 40 or so of the halves sold, all in NGC slabs. Some
had been in PC slabs, but Kaufman( previous owner) wanted them all in NGC's, and had them graded, with consequtive
cert. numbers.

Except for the scarcer varieties, they priced out at good numbers, usually below the existing guides
for PCGS graded one pt lower. Many has since crossed back to PC, at the NGC grade, and some lower.

For the passionate collector, the attendance at the sale was a must. Many of the halves had not seen the light
of day for over a decade. To ignore these coins because of the holders would have been stupid.

This sale also had high end Early dollars, rare proofs, and many super grade coins in almost all series. And it
came at the absolute worst time-- in the middle of a bad recession.

While I have been fortunate to buy nice coins since( only a few), this was the last time I came away from a sale with many
hard to find coins at reasonable prices.

coinkat · February 11, 2012 7:43PM

I am far more concerned about the coin than the plastic-

If I like the coin, its appearance and the price, I will buy. Crossover?

Highly unlikely unless there is reason

frnklnlvr · February 11, 2012 8:24PM

I'd buy it as long as the price is right.

Broadstruck · February 11, 2012 9:11PM

It's a real shame what's occurred in this hobby over the course of just a few years...

Collectors that most likely started collecting coins raw now can not form their own opinion without the right plastic and TPG's and a forth party sticker company telling them if it's solid or PQ.

Sad

sad

times as the same level of brainwashing occurred in a children's tale by Hans Christian Andersen called "The Emperor's New Clothes".

ambro51 · February 11, 2012 10:35PM

make a mental price adjustment.

ricko · February 11, 2012 11:50PM

I would buy it.... plastic means nothing to me. Cheers, RickO

tradedollarnut · February 11, 2012 11:58PM

It's a real shame what's occurred in this hobby over the course of just a few years...

Actually, I think what's happened over the past few years is a very good thing. I think too much blind trust was put into the label - and now eyes are being opened again to actually look at the coin with a critical eye.

richardshipp · February 12, 2012 1:03AM

I wouldn't exclude any coin just because of the holder it is in... Likewise I wouldn't just blindly buy any coin because of the holder it is in.

DAM · February 12, 2012 1:21AM

It's a real shame what's occurred in this hobby over the course of just a few years...

Collectors that most likely started collecting coins raw now can not form their own opinion without the right plastic and TPG's and a forth party sticker company telling them if it's solid or PQ.

Sad sad sad times as the same level of brainwashing occurred in a children's tale by Hans Christian Andersen called "The Emperor's New Clothes".

Actually, I think what's happened over the past few years is a very good thing. I think too much blind trust was put into the label - and now eyes are being opened again to actually look at the coin with a critical eye.

I think both statements make good points. Grading has changed. Collectors sometimes struggle to make sense of it, and keep up with it. "Correctly graded" TPG coins gave a leg-up to those that didn't have good grading skills. Doctors created confusion, especially to those that enjoy the colors. Beans added balance.

Bottom line... education. For the collector and the investor. I think the checks and balances are more for the investor; the Star, the +, the Bean. I say that because as a "collector" I hope my investment in my hobby returns to me (fully) when I decided to sell. If not, it's been fun. I've enjoyed it. Just like the car(s) I drive.

To answer the OP's question... I buy the coin I like. Slabbed or raw, for that matter.

RedTiger · February 12, 2012 1:23AM

I'd buy it.

The caveats are some coins in some holders I will avoid. I don't buy expensive numismatic coins, where different holders often mean big price differences, especially on the wholesale level. I'd also tend to avoid raw coins above a certain price level (eg: reference the recent thread the high quality fake 1885 nickel that might be good enough to fool many dealers, and 99% of collectors.) For example, someone offered a raw trade dollar in a recent coin club auction. If it were certified by PCGS, NGC, or ANACS, I might have bought it. No way I'd buy raw, even though the seller is one of the smarter collectors in the club, I sure don't have the expertise to authenticate against a high quality fake, and I tend to believe that no one at the club does either, not even the part time dealers.

If you saw a coin you wanted in a non-PCGS holder what would you do?

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