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michiganboymichiganboy Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭
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The rim on this looks all wrong. here is the link dollar I have not reported this one, but I feel its a counterfeit and would like group opinion on this one.
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,029 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In my opinion it is a Chinese counterfeit.
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    GoldClauseGoldClause Posts: 838 ✭
    Seller says: "I purchased this coin not knowing much about this particular type."


    I say: "RUN!"
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    michiganboymichiganboy Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭
    Yeah thats what I figured its been reported now. I was just having a hard time making final determination and figured I ask for help.
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    FrankiefanaticFrankiefanatic Posts: 325
    look at the 4 in 1840, that might give you a slight indication of a counterfeit.....


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    DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,432 ✭✭✭✭✭
    yup...another Chinese fake.
    "Gold is money, and nothing else" (JP Morgan, 1912)

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    Bayard1908Bayard1908 Posts: 4,181 ✭✭✭✭
    The reverse denticles are a mess
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    AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 25,038 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Check his feedback. He's bought an 89cc and a 95p Morgan out of China.

    Reported

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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 12,135 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yep, if that had been a real 1840 in that grade at that price, it would have been scooped up quickly.
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    tightbudgettightbudget Posts: 7,299 ✭✭✭
    Fake
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    goldengolden Posts: 10,502 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No good.
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    RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,629 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Yep, if that had been a real 1840 in that grade at that price, it would have been scooped up quickly. >>



    image And, look at his other auctions, practically every one is private. There are legitimate reasons to do private auctions, but when virtually every auction to be private, it's usually a sign that the seller is up to no good.

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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Yeah thats what I figured its been reported now. I was just having a hard time making final determination and figured I ask for help. >>



    usually if i am on the fence i just go ahead and report.

    i'm not mean or hard about it i usually just state

    "the following item looks high risk etc etc, should be investigated"

    what i think matters not, it is up to ebay to removed the listing

    so i keep it vague. just getting their attention to an item is enough
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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    from same seller

    1879 morgan

    does not look good to me, but i am too suspicious of the seller now
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    the date looks all wrong
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    lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Let's kill it.
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    GrumpyEdGrumpyEd Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭
    Looks like it ended, sold for $410. Half of the $820 marked on the flip so the buyer thinks they got a rip.

    I'm assuming ended means sold and the auction wasn't stopped?
    Ed
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    RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,629 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Looks like it ended, sold for $410. Half of the $820 marked on the flip so the buyer thinks they got a rip.

    I'm assuming ended means sold and the auction wasn't stopped? >>



    Correct, but I would suggest you report it now even though the auction is over. EBay has often canceled auctions after they ended, if they determine the item is fraudulent. Happened to an auction I reported last week.

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    michiganboymichiganboy Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭
    yup someone bought it, hopefully Ebay cancels the transaction. It looks like hes been selling a lot of coins with positive feedback, but the sales are set to private. That why I wanted to get an opinion and get help reporting it. I feel bad for these buyers when the they go to resell these coins or their heirs get stuck bogus coins. Hey thanks guys.
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    lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>yup someone bought it, hopefully Ebay cancels the transaction. It looks like hes been selling a lot of coins with positive feedback, but the sales are set to private. That why I wanted to get an opinion and get help reporting it. I feel bad for these buyers when the they go to resell these coins or their heirs get stuck bogus coins. Hey thanks guys. >>


    Ebay will cancel it. No worries.
    Lance.
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    DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,432 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Check his feedback. He's bought an 89cc and a 95p Morgan out of China.

    Reported

    bobimage >>



    Yes...and two jars of coin cleaner and one pair of XL bicycle shorts!!
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    "“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,873 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Check out some of the other stuff he's offering in addition to this bogus item. He's been giving the Chinese a lot of business so that he can give you the business if you bid. image
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    AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 25,038 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Turns out he's a relative newbie to coins and got screwed on the Seated dollar. Thought he was getting a
    real bargain at $200. He ended the auction on his own and now he's going to try to get his money
    back from the source or credit card company.

    bobimage
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    mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 7,103 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I compared to a PCGS graded dollar,same date.

    Spacing of numerals in the date looks off to me.

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