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Peacemonkey
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Local coin shop, owner "hates slabs and doesnt bother with that junk". Has a nice coin that he believes is a 64 and is asking MORE than 64 PCGS price guide money. By 75$. Lets say I concur with his grade, but dont feel comfortable going anywhere near slabbed 64 money let alone inflated price guide money. Should I just make my final offer and take it or leave it and move on? Or should I try to engage him in conversation and try and figure out how he arrives at this figure and then try and reason with him why the coin should sell for what my offer ballparks around? Normally I would just negotiate and move on, however this coin shop is around the corner from me and I'd like to have it as a resource even though all his stuff is inflated for raw. The guy seems kind of a hard headed older type of guy so I get the feeling he will just kick me out eventually thinking I am lowballing him on everything I am interested in.
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I don't think that is insulting and it lets him know you are a solid buyer, not tire-kicker, at a certain (should be reasonable) price, and that you also complimented his coin.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>...so I get the feeling he will just kick me out eventually thinking I am lowballing him on everything I am interested in. >>
You don't have to make an offer. Just ask "What's your best price?" and if it's too high, you can say "Thanks, but this one's not for me. Maybe next time."
<< <i>Everybody is free to value a coin as they wish. Explaining to a shop owner that he doesn't know how to do that properly is likely to be a less than productive exercise. >>
So I probably shouldnt tell him that throwing them onto the counter from his safe 5 feet away and letting them clank on each other and the counter is a bad idea either huh?
<< <i>So I probably shouldnt tell him that throwing them onto the counter from his safe 5 feet away and letting them clank on each other and the counter is a bad idea either huh? >>
A very simaliar thing happened to me a few weeks back. The usual dealer I go to locally that gives me very nice prices on slabbed coins didn't have any but he did have a few raw ones. He graded and priced them as if they were slabbed and twice the price as normal. I have been buying from him for quite some time. I told him they were a little out of my budget, he replied that they are easily MS64's and 64's and nice toning.
I said well, maybe next time, he says ok and throughs them across the room about 4 feet onto the table and walks away
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I asked him to examine it and he responded, oh, looks like a foreign object or something and then proceeds to brandish his hunting knife and take off whatever it was.
I didn't buy the coin.
Oh and those of you that say find another dealer, that dealer I just described is my only local dealer.
That's why fishing in the bay is best
Most B&Ms that I know of don't use the PCGS price guides so I wouldn't bring it up.
Trying to explain anything or change his thinking is likely to get a negative response.
If you see the coin still there in few months you might ask the price again.
<< <i>Just to get it out there and add perspective to the story, the coin in question was a 21 Peace $ that he graded @64 and priced @ 875$ >>
Unless you're absolutely confident in your grading skills it's not worth the risk. Plus, you'd have to pay grading fees yourself.
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<< <i>Just to get it out there and add perspective to the story, the coin in question was a 21 Peace $ that he graded @64 and priced @ 875$ >>
Unless you're absolutely confident in your grading skills it's not worth the risk. Plus, you'd have to pay grading fees yourself. >>
Yeah I'm not even in the ballpark of 64 slabbed money.
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<< <i>Just to get it out there and add perspective to the story, the coin in question was a 21 Peace $ that he graded @64 and priced @ 875$ >>
Unless you're absolutely confident in your grading skills it's not worth the risk. Plus, you'd have to pay grading fees yourself. >>
Yeah I'm not even in the ballpark of 64 slabbed money. >>
Do you have any other dealers in your area? I don't so I never visit my local dealer
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<< <i>I might ask him "what's bid/ask on these" to get it out there and see if he explains his price and then say I'd be a buyer for $xxx.
Most B&Ms that I know of don't use the PCGS price guides so I wouldn't bring it up.
Trying to explain anything or change his thinking is likely to get a negative response.
If you see the coin still there in few months you might ask the price again. >>
Great response. Just don't get buried in that coin.
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<< <i>I might ask him "what's bid/ask on these" to get it out there and see if he explains his price and then say I'd be a buyer for $xxx.
Most B&Ms that I know of don't use the PCGS price guides so I wouldn't bring it up.
Trying to explain anything or change his thinking is likely to get a negative response.
If you see the coin still there in few months you might ask the price again. >>
Great response. Just don't get buried in that coin. >>
You mean like that dealer probably is?
<< <i>Just to get it out there and add perspective to the story, the coin in question was a 21 Peace $ that he graded @64 and priced @ 875$ >>
Pass...pass...pass...and pass.
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<< <i>I might ask him "what's bid/ask on these" to get it out there and see if he explains his price and then say I'd be a buyer for $xxx.
Most B&Ms that I know of don't use the PCGS price guides so I wouldn't bring it up.
Trying to explain anything or change his thinking is likely to get a negative response.
If you see the coin still there in few months you might ask the price again. >>
Great response. Just don't get buried in that coin. >>
You mean like that dealer probably is? >>
While it's quite possible that this dealer is buried in that coin, he is more likely just looking to make a big score.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
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<< <i>I might ask him "what's bid/ask on these" to get it out there and see if he explains his price and then say I'd be a buyer for $xxx.
Most B&Ms that I know of don't use the PCGS price guides so I wouldn't bring it up.
Trying to explain anything or change his thinking is likely to get a negative response.
If you see the coin still there in few months you might ask the price again. >>
Great response. Just don't get buried in that coin. >>
You mean like that dealer probably is? >>
While it's quite possible that this dealer is buried in that coin, he is more likely just looking to make a big score. >>
Of course we don't know if this dealer is a strong buyer, but my gut tells me that he likely isn't.
I was at Long Beach 4 or 5 years ago and this dealer was late
at setting up and I was browsing at all his gold and he reached
into a a little bag and pulled out a plastic like freezer bag and
opened it up and dumped the contents from about 2 feet up into
his Allstate case, I just cringed as about 50 Double Eagles clanked
and crashed into each other.
Steve
<< <i>If all the prices are inflated and he won't negotiate, best to find another dealer. >>
Which is why I never buy anything from my authorized everything dealer! I have only sold to him,and don't even do that anymore since I discovered APMEX.
Smile, say nothing and Move Along.
cranky old men can be difficult to deal with, I know, I are one.
<< <i>If you are in a coin club you should find the oldest, crankiest, smelliest most experienced man in there...send him to the dealer and let HIM negotiate.
cranky old men can be difficult to deal with, I know, I are one.
I have used this approach a few times although i did not include the smelly catagory, I thought that was a given.
I would not give the coin in question a second thought, Pass!!
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Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>Everybody is free to value a coin as they wish. Explaining to a shop owner that he doesn't know how to do that properly is likely to be a less than productive exercise. >>
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<< <i>Just to get it out there and add perspective to the story, the coin in question was a 21 Peace $ that he graded @64 and priced @ 875$ >>
Pass...pass...pass...and pass.
Agree agree agree.
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