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Help grade this toned Bust Half please.

DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
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I am considering (bid is already in) purchasing this 1818 Bust Half, and just love the toning. It looks like it might be second toning, but some luster seems hidden around the stars. It's not a perfect strike, and there is some wear, there are a few pretty noticable bag marks. Any assistance would be appreciated.

1818 Half
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    kieferscoinskieferscoins Posts: 10,017 ✭
    XF-45/AU-50
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    jomjom Posts: 3,531 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Probably AU50/53 ish.

    jom
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    PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    I would guess au 50.
    It might be a no-grade at pcgs.
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    andy007andy007 Posts: 475 ✭
    AU53. What is that triangle shaped mark between the second 1 and 8 in the date?
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Don,

    In case you didn't know it, you've been outbid.

    Russ, NCNE
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    DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
    Yeah Russ, I knew. I'm just hoping someone here can tell me why I don't want it anyway!image Boy I like it.
    Developing theory is what we are meant to do as academic researchers
    and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Don,

    I like it too but, based on what little I know, I'm concerned about cleaning. Judging by the scan, it certainly looks like it was at least dipped at some point and then re-toned. With a scan, though, it's not possible to tell if the cleaning was harsher then just a dip.

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    I actually like this one better. It doesn't grade as high, but it looks - at least to me - like a coin that old should look. I think I'll add it to my snipe list.image

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
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    DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
    Yes, and I agree. At this point, it is approaching AU+ money, and I'm with you. Thanks for the sound advice. Let's wait on nicer ones! I almost can't help myself with blue toning though. I don't know what the draw is, but I sure like it.


    I was posting while you were linking, sorry. Yes, that's a nice original looking coin. Happy hunting.
    Developing theory is what we are meant to do as academic researchers
    and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
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    lathmachlathmach Posts: 4,720 ✭
    Not a bad coin. Looks like Overton 107. A R-1 coin.

    Ray
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    PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    Looks like this one somewhat.

    $925 au58
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    RotatedRainbowsRotatedRainbows Posts: 2,085 ✭✭
    CH.XF maybe AU if it has more field luster then shows in the scan, it appears to have been wiped more then harshly cleaned (unless there are a lot of hairlines not visible in the scan) and then put into an old album where it acquired its toning. Has a few pretty good hits and a small rim nick on the obverse below the first one. Does not appear to be too bad of a piece if the price is right BUT when it comes to judging from a scan you never really know until you see it.
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    IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    Not knowing what the price is, I can't advise you on whether or not you should buy it, there are some dings, but that is expected in a coin that old. I like the appearance of the coin, if it truly looks like the picture. That would be my major concern. I doubt if it gets slabbed AU, probably xf45.
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    ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,740 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Don,

    Placid's AU 58 image appears to be an original coin & has more eye appeal
    than the one on which you are bidding. Your 'question' coin appears to be dull, suggesting at least prior dipp(ing). It has retoned.

    These coins are not well struck, and you really need to see whether there is wear on places like the clasp on the obverse (look for a luster break), or just a weak strike.

    It looks in the AU 55 range to me, if for no other reason than the wear on the eagle's wing to the viewer's left on its reverse.
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    DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
    Thank you all. Based on your advice, I stopped at $150. There'll be another one, and it's very difficult (for me at least) to buy a coin that old raw and from a scan. I appreciate the assistance.
    Developing theory is what we are meant to do as academic researchers
    and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
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    dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    ok, but i call it au-55 assuming consistent 'wheels. it's a nice coin & probably better in person than the digipic makes it look.

    K S
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    pmh1nicpmh1nic Posts: 3,491 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If there is more luster than what shows in the scan I'd call it an AU-53. Everyone should have at least one nicely toned Bust Half in their collection image:

    1819/18 Bust Half Obverse
    1819/18 Bust Half Reverse
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    JimDJimD Posts: 77
    Here is an 1818 Half graded AU50 by PCGS if you would like to compare for details.

    1818 Obv
    1818 Rev
    I am no longer looking for an 1815/2
    myurl

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