Great news. Hopefully, he will get some justice. They should have said "Coin Dealer Killer Captured" since a coin killer is just another name for a coin doctor.
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Too bad the son of a beotch didn't resist . Since the enlightened north doesn't even have a death penalty it might have turned out to be the next best thing if he/they resist.
<< <i>There is no good ending to this story. Mr. Halfon is dead and his killers are young enough to eventually get out of jail and kill again. >>
Not. Even in the Empire State, committing a homicide in the course of committing another felony is punishable by life in prison without possibility of parole. With a conviction for homicide on all three, there will be no freedom. Ever.
<< <i>There is no good ending to this story. Mr. Halfon is dead and his killers are young enough to eventually get out of jail and kill again. >>
Not. Even in the Empire State, committing a homicide in the course of committing another felony is punishable by life in prison without possibility of parole. With a conviction for homicide on all three, there will be no freedom. Ever. >>
That's the best news out of this horrible story. The only possible rehabilitation for a murderous punk such as this is six feet under in a coffin after he dies in prison.
So we all have to support this piece of crap for 50+ years, they'll have healthcare, meals, recreation etc all paid for by those of us who did nothing wrong. What a screwed up system. I read the other day for example that John Lennon's murderer gets "conjucal visits" from his wife up there in the enlightened north.
I would happily write the check to pay for the executioner or push the button myself.
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I'm glad at least one was captured, and hope they get the other names from him. Let justice be served.
Disappointed with the title of the article, however. A coin killer was captured? People have done alot of nasty things to coins but without a soul, one of them can't be killed. A dealer, a MAN, was killed, very brutally.
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"Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness". Next to Life, which are the two we Americans value the most? I believe all murder is wrong and especially state-sanctioned murder. The best punishment is removal of Liberty (the ability to move freely) and Happiness. Yes, we the tax payers have to keep these scum for life, but at the end of the day the cost to society for Life in prison is less than that for death row inmates. I'd rather the killers live the rest of their long lives imprisoned than to execute them. JMO.
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<< <i>So we all have to support this piece of crap for 50+ years, they'll have healthcare, meals, recreation etc all paid for by those of us who did nothing wrong. What a screwed up system. I read the other day for example that John Lennon's murderer gets "conjucal visits" from his wife up there in the enlightened north.
I would happily write the check to pay for the executioner or push the button myself. >>
At least for California, you best have a very large checking account as it cost $308 million dollars per execution. See
<< <i>Too bad the son of a beotch didn't resist . Since the enlightened north doesn't even have a death penalty it might have turned out to be the next best thing if he/they resist. >>
Mr Pilitowski seems to think it's acceptable (or lawful) for the police to murder someone for resisting arrest.
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<< <i>Too bad the son of a beotch didn't resist . Since the enlightened north doesn't even have a death penalty it might have turned out to be the next best thing if he/they resist. >>
Mr Pilitowski seems to think it's acceptable (or lawful) for the police to murder someone for resisting arrest. >>
I don't think that's what he said. If the perp pulls a gun or knife, a cop has an obligation to shoot the scum bag.
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<< <i>So we all have to support this piece of crap for 50+ years, they'll have healthcare, meals, recreation etc all paid for by those of us who did nothing wrong. What a screwed up system. I read the other day for example that John Lennon's murderer gets "conjucal visits" from his wife up there in the enlightened north.
I would happily write the check to pay for the executioner or push the button myself. >>
Some people who commit hideous crimes are killed in prison. Jeff Dahmer was killed on the prison yard. I believe Walter Breen 'fell' down some stairs and died shortly thereafter.
I sincerely believe that if perps are convicted of murder one, they should be executed. With DNA evidence, the chances of fingering the wrong person is remote.
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<< <i>Too bad the son of a beotch didn't resist . Since the enlightened north doesn't even have a death penalty it might have turned out to be the next best thing if he/they resist. >>
Don't lump all of us together. It's not simply the enlightened north. It's the enlightened northern urban areas. The overwhelming majority of the rural north agrees with you guys, we're just terribly outnumbered.
I am opposed to the death penalty under any circumstances. Frankly, I feel life in prison with no possibility of parole is a far worse punishment. Not only that, it's been proven that it is cheaper than execution.
I am opposed to the death penalty under any circumstances. Frankly, I feel life in prison with no possibility of parole is a far worse punishment. Not only that, it's been proven that it is cheaper than execution. >>
By whom? I've heard this before but I'd like to see the unbiased data showing that housing this guy for the rest of his life is cheaper than a few feet of hemp rope and a scaffold. Or a 50 caliber slug to the head. Or a needle. I know, appeals, court costs, yada yada... but you'll have those things no matter what the final sentence happens to be. I still dispute that life imprisonment is cheaper.
I am opposed to the death penalty under any circumstances. Frankly, I feel life in prison with no possibility of parole is a far worse punishment. Not only that, it's been proven that it is cheaper than execution. >>
By whom? I've heard this before but I'd like to see the unbiased data showing that housing this guy for the rest of his life is cheaper than a few feet of hemp rope and a scaffold. Or a 50 caliber slug to the head. Or a needle. I know, appeals, court costs, yada yada... but you'll have those things no matter what the final sentence happens to be. I still dispute that life imprisonment is cheaper. >>
Show me your data that life imprisonment isn't cheaper instead of just throwing out your opinion. State-sanctioned killing is murder by the public and as a member of the voting public in PA that makes me a murderer, indirectly. And I don't like that idea. I've got a pair of eyes, a nose and a mouth. For me, state-sanctioned killing tastes bad, smells bad and looks bad. Having to spend the rest of your life without liberty and happiness is far more worse a punishment than swift death. At least it doesn't taint me with the killing of another human being.
I'm even opposed to war. I think that those who sanction war, if they had to fight in one, there wouldn't be war. Didn't Sadam challenge G.W. Bush to a duel? If our leaders had to settle their disputes with other countries via a duel there would be much more diplomacy before these so-called "leaders" would risk their lives.
As it is, it's too easy to risk the lives of middle-class Americans, whilst safely hunkering down in some undisclosed bunker.
This is my Opinion. I know you have yours.
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I am opposed to the death penalty under any circumstances. Frankly, I feel life in prison with no possibility of parole is a far worse punishment. Not only that, it's been proven that it is cheaper than execution. >>
I have heard that it is cheaper as well. I studied criminal justice in college. You would be surprised at all the money the taxpayers "us" pay, and how much we really do pay for execution. I've heards figures in the millions because of the whole appeals process. It takes a long time to go through court and to actually put someone on death row. For murders, I think it is most cost effective to cut a life without parole type deal rather than go through trial because when they do go through court there is no guantee the jury will give the death penalty. Not to mention, all the court cost and time needed in cases like this. Even if they do get the death penalty, it would be years and years down the road till it is carried off. Not to mention, there are always govenors and presidents who have the power to pardon or change sentances (you would actually be surprised at what they do right before their terms are over as far as commuting sentances goes)..... Yea.... so much to consider when you really do want to put someone to death..... . Personally, I think it we should just lock them up and throw away the key for life!
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I suspect that the City, County and State prosecutors will still get paid- Judges will get paid regardless of their docket or the cases they hear and whether there are appeals.
This whole issue with the Court costs seems to be less than compelling.
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<< <i>I suspect that the City, County and State prosecutors will still get paid- Judges will get paid regardless of their docket or the cases they hear and whether there are appeals.
This whole issue with the Court costs seems to be less than compelling. >>
Well, I do suppose that more compelling are the number of people released from death row due to innocence (plus it seems safe to say (most unfortunately) at least one who did not get released before being executed (and there are bound to be others)), and also the issue that our ethics as a society should be better than the criminals we prosecute.
<< <i>Great news. Hopefully, he will get some justice. They should have said "Coin Dealer Killer Captured" since a coin killer is just another name for a coin doctor. >>
So every coin ever doctored has been killed? You never have never seen one that has been improved I take it.
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<< <i>Great news. Hopefully, he will get some justice. They should have said "Coin Dealer Killer Captured" since a coin killer is just another name for a coin doctor. >>
So every coin ever doctored has been killed? You never have never seen one that has been improved I take it. >>
As currently used in the coin industry/hobby, "Coin doctor" is a pejorative term used for persons that cleans, tools, AT, etc coins to increase their perceived value so they can be sold to the unwary. It should not be confused with a "coin conservator".
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As to that death penalty info link...I'd like to see figures that don't come from a potentially activist-related/funded site. But-even so, looking at what was presented there- executions themselves are not inherently more expensive than long jail terms; the high cost of capital punishment in the US is a result of the extended appeals process- something that seasoned criminals and their lawyers have learned to work to the Nth degree. Actually, only a fraction of a percent of criminals sentenced to death are actually executed - when this is rectified, the cost of executions will drop. If my memory of Econ 101 in college doesn't fail me, that's called economy of scale.
Most who oppose capital punishment invariably seem to fall back to three arguments... it's not cheaper, it's not civilized, and the person might be innocent. Well, reform of the appeals process will correct the former, there are a lot of victims' families who will gladly debate the second point (and tell you grisly stories of how "civilized" the murder of their loved one was), and DNA technology is making the latter moot. And for every isolated bleeding heart story about a wrongly convicted guy you hear, you need only look at TV, read a newspaper or go to a news site to come up with far too many instances of killers who are released only to kill again. And that's not just opinion-it's reality.
As a final thought, I find it disconcerting and a bit hypocritical for someone to wrap themselves in the flag when talking about potentially taking away the poor criminal's rights... when that "poor criminal" has already taken away the rights of the victim, who had no say in the matter. You know- the victim. Remember him? Like this poor coin dealer in Brooklyn. Dumped like yesterday's garbage. What about HIS rights?
<< <i>"Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness". Next to Life, which are the two we Americans value the most? I believe all murder is wrong and especially state-sanctioned murder. The best punishment is removal of Liberty (the ability to move freely) and Happiness. Yes, we the tax payers have to keep these scum for life, but at the end of the day the cost to society for Life in prison is less than that for death row inmates. I'd rather the killers live the rest of their long lives imprisoned than to execute them. JMO.
Cheers!
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Some might find a life where you are fed, housed, and have entertainment privleges an acceptible trade off for their freedom. That is no deterent for them. Judges will not allow society to work them to earn their keep. We will go broke just housing more and more of them.
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<< <i>As to that death penalty info link...I'd like to see figures that don't come from a potentially activist-related/funded site. But-even so, looking at what was presented there- executions themselves are not inherently more expensive than long jail terms; the high cost of capital punishment in the US is a result of the extended appeals process- something that seasoned criminals and their lawyers have learned to work to the Nth degree. Actually, only a fraction of a percent of criminals sentenced to death are actually executed - when this is rectified, the cost of executions will drop. If my memory of Econ 101 in college doesn't fail me, that's called economy of scale.
Most who oppose capital punishment invariably seem to fall back to three arguments... it's not cheaper, it's not civilized, and the person might be innocent. Well, reform of the appeals process will correct the former, there are a lot of victims' families who will gladly debate the second point (and tell you grisly stories of how "civilized" the murder of their loved one was), and DNA technology is making the latter moot. And for every isolated bleeding heart story about a wrongly convicted guy you hear, you need only look at TV, read a newspaper or go to a news site to come up with far too many instances of killers who are released only to kill again. And that's not just opinion-it's reality.
As a final thought, I find it disconcerting and a bit hypocritical for someone to wrap themselves in the flag when talking about potentially taking away the poor criminal's rights... when that "poor criminal" has already taken away the rights of the victim, who had no say in the matter. You know- the victim. Remember him? Like this poor coin dealer in Brooklyn. Dumped like yesterday's garbage. What about HIS rights? >>
Telephoto, I agree with much of what you say. On principle I am against capital punishment because it IS "state-sanctioned murder" and I believe murder is wrong. As for the economically "poor" defendants, there is no level playing field vis-a-vis an O.J. Simpson with deep pockets that can afford a credible defense. Fact is our justice system today heavily favors the state with virtually unlimited resources versus the poor defendant who must rely on a public defender. Look at the United States vs. the Langbords for an example. Even though the Langbords lost in the jury trial, they have the resources to persue their case to the fullest extent that the law and RESOURCES allows. At the end of the day, I'm in the "I'd rather see 10 guilty men walk free than to see one innocent man die". Just sayin'
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<< <i>"Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness". Next to Life, which are the two we Americans value the most? I believe all murder is wrong and especially state-sanctioned murder. The best punishment is removal of Liberty (the ability to move freely) and Happiness. Yes, we the tax payers have to keep these scum for life, but at the end of the day the cost to society for Life in prison is less than that for death row inmates. I'd rather the killers live the rest of their long lives imprisoned than to execute them. JMO.
Cheers!
Kirk >>
Some might find a life where you are fed, housed, and have entertainment privleges an acceptible trade off for their freedom. That is no deterent for them. Judges will not allow society to work them to earn their keep. We will go broke just housing more and more of them. >>
Fact is the U.S. has the highest per-Capita rate of incarceration in the World! And "Death Row" is a statistically infinitessimal minority of inmates. I live in PA and more than 80% of our inmates are for drug-related offenses and the vast majority of inmates are poor non-white offenders. As a tax payer, I am alarmed at how much I must pay to warehouse non-violent offenders. The Death-row inmates are few and far between when compred with the cost of the entire industrial corrections institution in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. The death-penalty is a non-deterrant as cited by a numerous studies over the decades and I think it's high-time that this country recognize that and do what's right: Don't legalize "State-sanctioned Murder". JMHO
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<< <i>There is no good ending to this story. Mr. Halfon is dead and his killers are young enough to eventually get out of jail and kill again. >>
Not. Even in the Empire State, committing a homicide in the course of committing another felony is punishable by life in prison without possibility of parole. With a conviction for homicide on all three, there will be no freedom. Ever.
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<< <i>There is no good ending to this story. Mr. Halfon is dead and his killers are young enough to eventually get out of jail and kill again. >>
Not. Even in the Empire State, committing a homicide in the course of committing another felony is punishable by life in prison without possibility of parole. With a conviction for homicide on all three, there will be no freedom. Ever. >>
That's the best news out of this horrible story. The only possible rehabilitation for a murderous punk such as this is six feet under in a coffin after he dies in prison.
I would happily write the check to pay for the executioner or push the button myself.
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Disappointed with the title of the article, however. A coin killer was captured? People have done alot of nasty things to coins but without a soul, one of them can't be killed. A dealer, a MAN, was killed, very brutally.
<< <i>I suspect he will give up his accomplices..... they need to catch them all.... >>
i think the first kid(18) gave up the 'president'
he is the second caught.
should make it easy for the third.
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<< <i>So we all have to support this piece of crap for 50+ years, they'll have healthcare, meals, recreation etc all paid for by those of us who did nothing wrong. What a screwed up system. I read the other day for example that John Lennon's murderer gets "conjucal visits" from his wife up there in the enlightened north.
I would happily write the check to pay for the executioner or push the button myself. >>
At least for California, you best have a very large checking account as it cost $308 million dollars per execution. See
<a href="http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2011/06/california-pays-308-million-prisoner-execution/39007/">it ant cheep
<< <i>Too bad the son of a beotch didn't resist . Since the enlightened north doesn't even have a death penalty it might have turned out to be the next best thing if he/they resist. >>
Mr Pilitowski seems to think it's acceptable (or lawful) for the police to murder someone for resisting arrest.
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<< <i>Too bad the son of a beotch didn't resist . Since the enlightened north doesn't even have a death penalty it might have turned out to be the next best thing if he/they resist. >>
Mr Pilitowski seems to think it's acceptable (or lawful) for the police to murder someone for resisting arrest. >>
I don't think that's what he said. If the perp pulls a gun or knife, a cop has an obligation to shoot the scum bag.
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<< <i>So we all have to support this piece of crap for 50+ years, they'll have healthcare, meals, recreation etc all paid for by those of us who did nothing wrong. What a screwed up system. I read the other day for example that John Lennon's murderer gets "conjucal visits" from his wife up there in the enlightened north.
I would happily write the check to pay for the executioner or push the button myself. >>
Some people who commit hideous crimes are killed in prison. Jeff Dahmer was killed on the prison yard. I believe Walter Breen 'fell' down some stairs and died shortly thereafter.
I sincerely believe that if perps are convicted of murder one, they should be executed. With DNA evidence, the chances of fingering the wrong person is remote.
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<< <i>Too bad the son of a beotch didn't resist . Since the enlightened north doesn't even have a death penalty it might have turned out to be the next best thing if he/they resist. >>
Don't lump all of us together. It's not simply the enlightened north. It's the enlightened northern urban areas. The overwhelming majority of the rural north agrees with you guys, we're just terribly outnumbered.
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<< <i>i hope he gets what he truly deserves
I am opposed to the death penalty under any circumstances.
Frankly, I feel life in prison with no possibility of parole is a far worse punishment.
Not only that, it's been proven that it is cheaper than execution.
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<< <i>i hope he gets what he truly deserves
I am opposed to the death penalty under any circumstances.
Frankly, I feel life in prison with no possibility of parole is a far worse punishment.
Not only that, it's been proven that it is cheaper than execution. >>
By whom? I've heard this before but I'd like to see the unbiased data showing that housing this guy for the rest of his life is cheaper than a few feet of hemp rope and a scaffold.
Or a 50 caliber slug to the head. Or a needle.
I know, appeals, court costs, yada yada... but you'll have those things no matter what the final sentence happens to be.
I still dispute that life imprisonment is cheaper.
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<< <i>i hope he gets what he truly deserves
I am opposed to the death penalty under any circumstances.
Frankly, I feel life in prison with no possibility of parole is a far worse punishment.
Not only that, it's been proven that it is cheaper than execution. >>
By whom? I've heard this before but I'd like to see the unbiased data showing that housing this guy for the rest of his life is cheaper than a few feet of hemp rope and a scaffold.
Or a 50 caliber slug to the head. Or a needle.
I know, appeals, court costs, yada yada... but you'll have those things no matter what the final sentence happens to be.
I still dispute that life imprisonment is cheaper. >>
Show me your data that life imprisonment isn't cheaper instead of just throwing out your opinion. State-sanctioned killing is murder by the public and as a member of the voting public in PA that makes me a murderer, indirectly. And I don't like that idea. I've got a pair of eyes, a nose and a mouth. For me, state-sanctioned killing tastes bad, smells bad and looks bad. Having to spend the rest of your life without liberty and happiness is far more worse a punishment than swift death. At least it doesn't taint me with the killing of another human being.
I'm even opposed to war. I think that those who sanction war, if they had to fight in one, there wouldn't be war. Didn't Sadam challenge G.W. Bush to a duel? If our leaders had to settle their disputes with other countries via a duel there would be much more diplomacy before these so-called "leaders" would risk their lives.
As it is, it's too easy to risk the lives of middle-class Americans, whilst safely hunkering down in some undisclosed bunker.
This is my Opinion. I know you have yours.
Cheers!
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<< <i>i hope he gets what he truly deserves
I am opposed to the death penalty under any circumstances.
Frankly, I feel life in prison with no possibility of parole is a far worse punishment.
Not only that, it's been proven that it is cheaper than execution. >>
I have heard that it is cheaper as well. I studied criminal justice in college. You would be surprised at all the money the taxpayers "us" pay, and how much we really do pay for execution. I've heards figures in the millions because of the whole appeals process. It takes a long time to go through court and to actually put someone on death row. For murders, I think it is most cost effective to cut a life without parole type deal rather than go through trial because when they do go through court there is no guantee the jury will give the death penalty. Not to mention, all the court cost and time needed in cases like this. Even if they do get the death penalty, it would be years and years down the road till it is carried off. Not to mention, there are always govenors and presidents who have the power to pardon or change sentances (you would actually be surprised at what they do right before their terms are over as far as commuting sentances goes)..... Yea.... so much to consider when you really do want to put someone to death..... . Personally, I think it we should just lock them up and throw away the key for life!
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This whole issue with the Court costs seems to be less than compelling.
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<< <i>I suspect that the City, County and State prosecutors will still get paid- Judges will get paid regardless of their docket or the cases they hear and whether there are appeals.
This whole issue with the Court costs seems to be less than compelling. >>
Well, I do suppose that more compelling are the number of people released from death row due to innocence (plus it seems safe to say (most unfortunately) at least one who did not get released before being executed (and there are bound to be others)), and also the issue that our ethics as a society should be better than the criminals we prosecute.
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It truly is unfortunate that you clearly infer that the ethics of our society are no better than the criminals that are prosecuted.
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<< <i>I want to respect our host and not take this in the direction of a political debate on capital punishment-
It truly is unfortunate that you clearly infer that the ethics of our society are no better than the criminals that are prosecuted. >>
Good idea with the first sentence. No more on that about me.
However, it truly is unfortunate that you clearly do not apply the principle of charity in discussions to attribute beliefs to me which I do not hold.
Edit: should I "." out this post?
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<< <i>Great news. Hopefully, he will get some justice. They should have said "Coin Dealer Killer Captured" since a coin killer is just another name for a coin doctor. >>
So every coin ever doctored has been killed? You never have never seen one that has been improved I take it.
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<< <i>Great news. Hopefully, he will get some justice. They should have said "Coin Dealer Killer Captured" since a coin killer is just another name for a coin doctor. >>
So every coin ever doctored has been killed? You never have never seen one that has been improved I take it. >>
As currently used in the coin industry/hobby, "Coin doctor" is a pejorative term used for persons that cleans, tools, AT, etc coins to increase their perceived value so they can be sold to the unwary. It should not be confused with a "coin conservator".
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"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
But-even so, looking at what was presented there- executions themselves are not inherently more expensive than long jail terms; the high cost of capital punishment in the US is a result of the extended appeals process- something that seasoned criminals and their lawyers have learned to work to the Nth degree. Actually, only a fraction of a percent of criminals sentenced to death are actually executed - when this is rectified, the cost of executions will drop. If my memory of Econ 101 in college doesn't fail me, that's called economy of scale.
Most who oppose capital punishment invariably seem to fall back to three arguments... it's not cheaper, it's not civilized, and the person might be innocent. Well, reform of the appeals process will correct the former, there are a lot of victims' families who will gladly debate the second point (and tell you grisly stories of how "civilized" the murder of their loved one was), and DNA technology is making the latter moot. And for every isolated bleeding heart story about a wrongly convicted guy you hear, you need only look at TV, read a newspaper or go to a news site to come up with far too many instances of killers who are released only to kill again. And that's not just opinion-it's reality.
As a final thought, I find it disconcerting and a bit hypocritical for someone to wrap themselves in the flag when talking about potentially taking away the poor criminal's rights... when that "poor criminal" has already taken away the rights of the victim, who had no say in the matter. You know- the victim. Remember him? Like this poor coin dealer in Brooklyn. Dumped like yesterday's garbage. What about HIS
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Mr Pilitowski seems to think it's acceptable (or lawful) for the police to murder someone for resisting arrest. >>
With a statement like that, no wonder you've got so many enemies.
<< <i>"Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness". Next to Life, which are the two we Americans value the most? I believe all murder is wrong and especially state-sanctioned murder. The best punishment is removal of Liberty (the ability to move freely) and Happiness. Yes, we the tax payers have to keep these scum for life, but at the end of the day the cost to society for Life in prison is less than that for death row inmates. I'd rather the killers live the rest of their long lives imprisoned than to execute them. JMO.
Cheers!
Kirk >>
Some might find a life where you are fed, housed, and have entertainment privleges an acceptible trade off for their freedom. That is no deterent for them. Judges will not allow society to work them to earn their keep. We will go broke just housing more and more of them.
<< <i>As to that death penalty info link...I'd like to see figures that don't come from a potentially activist-related/funded site.
But-even so, looking at what was presented there- executions themselves are not inherently more expensive than long jail terms; the high cost of capital punishment in the US is a result of the extended appeals process- something that seasoned criminals and their lawyers have learned to work to the Nth degree. Actually, only a fraction of a percent of criminals sentenced to death are actually executed - when this is rectified, the cost of executions will drop. If my memory of Econ 101 in college doesn't fail me, that's called economy of scale.
Most who oppose capital punishment invariably seem to fall back to three arguments... it's not cheaper, it's not civilized, and the person might be innocent. Well, reform of the appeals process will correct the former, there are a lot of victims' families who will gladly debate the second point (and tell you grisly stories of how "civilized" the murder of their loved one was), and DNA technology is making the latter moot. And for every isolated bleeding heart story about a wrongly convicted guy you hear, you need only look at TV, read a newspaper or go to a news site to come up with far too many instances of killers who are released only to kill again. And that's not just opinion-it's reality.
As a final thought, I find it disconcerting and a bit hypocritical for someone to wrap themselves in the flag when talking about potentially taking away the poor criminal's rights... when that "poor criminal" has already taken away the rights of the victim, who had no say in the matter. You know- the victim. Remember him? Like this poor coin dealer in Brooklyn. Dumped like yesterday's garbage. What about HIS
Telephoto, I agree with much of what you say. On principle I am against capital punishment because it IS "state-sanctioned murder" and I believe murder is wrong. As for the economically "poor" defendants, there is no level playing field vis-a-vis an O.J. Simpson with deep pockets that can afford a credible defense. Fact is our justice system today heavily favors the state with virtually unlimited resources versus the poor defendant who must rely on a public defender. Look at the United States vs. the Langbords for an example. Even though the Langbords lost in the jury trial, they have the resources to persue their case to the fullest extent that the law and RESOURCES allows. At the end of the day, I'm in the "I'd rather see 10 guilty men walk free than to see one innocent man die". Just sayin'
Cheers!
Kirk
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<< <i>"Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness". Next to Life, which are the two we Americans value the most? I believe all murder is wrong and especially state-sanctioned murder. The best punishment is removal of Liberty (the ability to move freely) and Happiness. Yes, we the tax payers have to keep these scum for life, but at the end of the day the cost to society for Life in prison is less than that for death row inmates. I'd rather the killers live the rest of their long lives imprisoned than to execute them. JMO.
Cheers!
Kirk >>
Some might find a life where you are fed, housed, and have entertainment privleges an acceptible trade off for their freedom. That is no deterent for them. Judges will not allow society to work them to earn their keep. We will go broke just housing more and more of them. >>
Fact is the U.S. has the highest per-Capita rate of incarceration in the World! And "Death Row" is a statistically infinitessimal minority of inmates. I live in PA and more than 80% of our inmates are for drug-related offenses and the vast majority of inmates are poor non-white offenders. As a tax payer, I am alarmed at how much I must pay to warehouse non-violent offenders. The Death-row inmates are few and far between when compred with the cost of the entire industrial corrections institution in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. The death-penalty is a non-deterrant as cited by a numerous studies over the decades and I think it's high-time that this country recognize that and do what's right: Don't legalize "State-sanctioned Murder". JMHO
-Kirk
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