<< <i>Hardly know nuthin about SLQ's and less about full heads. Your photo is on the left, the center and right photo's are also graded full head and since we are using photos to discuss this coin, can you point out the differences in the full heads on the other two coins from the coin of this thread? I seriously would like to know if for no other reason than for education. Oh yeah both the others are 20-ds.
>>
For Type II coins, a coin must exhibit: - three well defined leaves in hair - a complete hairline along brow and across face - a small indentation at ear >>
A complete hairline along brow and across face along with and ear hole is missing on many type II Full Head designated SLQ's... NGC and ANACS are VERY forgiving on some of the tougher dates such as 20-D, 20-S, 24-D, especially 26-D and 26-s, along with the 29-D from having viewed thousands of examples in the course of 2+ decades as most are 85, 90, or 95% FH sometimes far less.
I'll post a few Full Head examples with full brow/hairline separation.
Here are a few different AU58FH shots.
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My question is that the two I posted look enough like yours that I can't see much difference. What am I missing here? The two on the right are graded by a different TPG.
<< <i>My question is that the two I posted look enough like yours that I can't see much difference. What am I missing here? The two on the right are graded by a different TPG. >>
Brow separation, so let's try this....
if Miss Liberty was a real woman and you walked up to stroke her and ran your fingers from her forehead all the way down to her ear along her hairline towards her neck you would be able to feel the separation.
On a coin you can only look for the full separation line between the two areas... does this make sense
Warning: Hope no one got too excited by this analogy
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<< <i>The center image is graded 66 FH and the right one 64 FH, both by PCGS. >>
All the FH example images that I have posted are Slider Unc's so they have less meat left on them then Choice BU examples as like it or not the head gets rub.
I look at SLQ's everyday on multiple sites and haven't been able to purchase a single coin since April 2008... not for the lack of trying.
MFH may jump in and mention that I am seeking Superb FH's... not so just examples that meet the text book standard of having all the details necessary to fully qualify.
Imaging a SLQ FH is tricky as if you tilt the coin off a few degrees you will loose the separation line in you pics... so I'm not sure how poor the center image of your MS66FH really is
TDN has mentioned on here a few times that chasing FH designated SLQ's is crazy as he'd much rather have an example that was almost there for far less... nothing wrong with that.
Unlike Merc FSB which are either fully split of not.... designating a SLQ's as FH for some reason seems like rocket science when it's really not so tough.
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I've seen rather well struck heads on other dates, but it seems to me the TPG's are saying on this particular date this is as close as you are going to find so let's call them FH and that goes for all the TPG's.
<< <i>I've seen rather well struck heads on other dates, but it seems to me the TPG's are saying on this particular date this is as close as you are going to find so let's call them FH and that goes for all the TPG's. >>
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<< <i>NGC uses their own, unpublished "market grading" standards. (as does PCGS) >>
I don't have it in front of me, but doesn't the PCGS grading guide define full head somewhere?
<< <i>The "Official Grading Service of the ANA" tag is something sold to the highest bidder. >>
Moreover, even if "Official Grading Service" weren't a "pay for play" title, the ANA Grading Guide no longer defines the standards. It reflects those standards that have been defined by the marketplace.
Here are two of my slqs, both pcgs MS-63 FH. The 24 is a decent FH with nice overall detail. The 16 has a typical FH for the date and can never be compared to a 17 T1. The differences in head detail are very significant, as are the overall details evident on the entire coin. Not the greatest scans, but hopefully, they help clarify some SLQ information.
<< <i>Since NGC is the offical grading service of the ANA you'd think they would abide by the following...
According to Official A.N.A. Grading Standards for United States Coins, a coin must adhere to the following standards to be considered a candidate for the FH designation:
For Type I coins, a coin must exhibit: - well defined details in hair - a complete hairline along face - a visible eyebrow - a rounded cheek
For Type II coins, a coin must exhibit: - three well defined leaves in hair - a complete hairline along brow and across face - a small indentation at ear >>
Who says that NGC has to follow the ANA's standards? The "Official Grading Service" this is a paid for endorsement...
NGC, PCGS, and every other grading service is paid to give their opinion of the grade based on their grading standard... not on any one elses standard...
But back to the coin... it looks like a borderline call, but I can see the three items you point out as being required for FH...
There's a great number of "FH" coins that I have looked at that I have passed on as they were market graded to be FHs and weren't true FHs. I don't have any problem buying non-FH coins you see, but I won't pay FH money for one either.
All that being said, SLQs seem to bring out the worst in the TPGs, some of the 1916s in particular that have been holdered are scary.
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Of course, the "unapproved" grading companies SEGS and PCI used 75% and 90% FH designators for these "liner" coins, whereas PCGS and NGC either give them "nothing" or an undeserved FH.
<< <i>My question is that the two I posted look enough like yours that I can't see much difference. What am I missing here? The two on the right are graded by a different TPG. >>
Hey, I think I can see some ear wax in the right one's ear. Would that make a full head?
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What's struck into Liberty's upper thigh , Joe ? edit to add a little sarcasm :
Is there a premium for the "spiked" head ? >>
TwoSides2aCoin, there's nothing struck into the thigh it's part of the type two design that isn't always noticed... just like some collectors are surprised the first they notice the belly button on a type one SLQ. It's actually a button holding up the skirt line on Miss Liberty's right thigh (left thigh facing)... also on the type one design but much more pronounced.
The spike is a die crack as 1919 and 1920 Denver SLQ Deliveries are plagued with these on both the obverse and reverse design... the 1919-D depending on the reverse die at times looks like the eagle is suspended by two strings at the wing tips.
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Looks like someone has SLQ's on the brain again...
My newer 1920-D - which is "okay" - not my favorite coin in the set - but I had a credit with the seller that I wanted to use up. I fully plan on replacing this coin.
Here's my old 1920-D: [ again ]
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Great old thread and worth the review. The MS63 20-d FH discussed in this thread appears to me to have a better head than the 29-s MS67 FH being discussed in the other thread.
This older quote sort of rang a bell with me.
Unlike Merc FSB which are either fully split of not.... designating a SLQ's as FH for some reason seems like rocket science when it's really not so tough.
SLQ's are no longer the only gray area in "full" designations. There are all types of strike quality in FB mercs out there....including the kind where the split disappears when you tilt the coin. Bands today are graded on being "split" rather than being "fully split." Enough said.
The Minimum FH should not carry the full price of a FH coin. It has the minimum three leaves, crown and ear hole. However the leaves are more like blobs, the crown is weak and shallow in parts and the ear hols is rather shallow and indistinct. Also the hair at back of head lacks detail.The face itself is rather flat and bland. Never pay FH prices for these narginal FH coins.
Strong FH, has all of the mandatory details strong and fully struck up. The leaves look like leaves and show attachment to the crown. The crown is strong and full all along from the front to the back of head. The hair is fully detailed and the face shows some definition between cheek bone and jaw. These are the FH that deserve the full Head price.
Ultra FH, These coins are no longer available except as pictures in Cline's Reference Book. They were always rare and few and far between. They are impounded in strong hands.The remarkable about these rare coins is the head detail. It resembles a fine sculpture in marble. The leaves show stems connecting them to the crown which is raised and 3-D The hair is also highly detailed from the brow back to the bun. The face is remarkable between the cheek bone and the jaw bone is a slight valley giving the face a fine, detailed and natural look. All in all, these coins , if they were ever to appear , would garner prices maany, many multiples of the guide FH prices. I have only seen pictures of these works of art and some day, I would dearly love to actually see one of these masterpieces of the minters art.
<< <i>Ultra FH, These coins are no longer available except as pictures in Cline's Reference Book. They were always rare and few and far between. They are impounded in strong hands.The remarkable about these rare coins is the head detail. It resembles a fine sculpture in marble. The leaves show stems connecting them to the crown which is raised and 3-D The hair is also highly detailed from the brow back to the bun. The face is remarkable between the cheek bone and the jaw bone is a slight valley giving the face a fine, detailed and natural look. All in all, these coins , if they were ever to appear , would garner prices maany, many multiples of the guide FH prices. I have only seen pictures of these works of art and some day, I would dearly love to actually see one of these masterpieces of the minters art. >>
Bear, Ultra Full Head are out there and sometimes I even find them for free...
What a glorious day it was when this one arrived non FH designated!
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<< <i>OMG seeing stuff like this just drives me nutz and to someone who is buying purely just based on the TPG service designation your gonna get hurt!
What's wrong with this 1920-D
Nice Description
one of the most difficult deliveries within the SLQ series and rarely offered, the 20-D is well-respected among specialists as a serious KEY to the series - full-head details are fully apparent particularly in the 3-leaves and hairwaves; the virtually clean lustrous surfaces display incredibly beautiful rich original gold color adding the splendid eye appeal of this conservatively graded representative - a wonderful find for the specialist
>>
I don't even consider this coin a borderline full head. I would be disappointed if I ended up purchasing a coin like this at auction. I personally don't like the designations FH, FBL, FS, etc., as I have seen coins that truly meet the respective designation; however, there was significant weakness in other areas. I would much rather see a FS, full strike, designation.
<< <i>How long has it been since PCGS has been giving AU58's a full head designation. I don't believe they started out that way in 1986.
roadrunner >>
I have OGH AU58FH's but have never seen a FH designated 1st generation AU58 holder.
I just purchased a AU58 1917-S TY II in a rattler that meets FH designation but isn't labeled as such.
If anyone has a PCGS POP report from 1986-89 that would be helpful! >>
The early pop reports may not answer whether they put FH designations on AU coins back then.
I have a June 1, 1989 report that shows only MS-60 and better coins. It has a summary page by grades only including all coins and a similar a breakdown of circ grades.
Out of 1,073,136 coins graded, it looks like fewer than 50,000 were circulated coins. So I'm not sure if they ever issued any detailed reports on coins under MS-60 coins at that time.
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<< <i>The early pop reports may not answer whether they put FH designations on AU coins back then.
I have a June 1, 1989 report that shows only MS-60 and better coins. It has a summary page by grades only including all coins and a similar a breakdown of circ grades.
Out of 1,073,136 coins graded, it looks like fewer than 50,000 were circulated coins. So I'm not sure if they ever issued any detailed reports on coins under MS-60 coins at that time. >>
Thank you very much WinLoseWin as your info provided is greatly appreciated!
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I hadn't seen this thread before so here's my lame input.
I must be seeing things because I SEE the hairline along the side of the head and an ear hole (albeit tiny). I can see why it graded FH. Certainly not a great FH you sometimes see but FH nonetheless.
I can see why some could complain since it barely makes the designation. But yet at the same time a SLQ will get designated a FH, say much nicer than this one, but lack other ares of the coin that are not fully struck...not by a long shot. ie the shield. I never hear any complaints about that.
Also, if you were buying in an auction wouldn't you have seen this coin beforehand and know it wasn't a good FH strike? If not, maybe that should be a lesson learned about buying in auction WITHOUT looking at the coins in hard or at least having someone look for you.
I've seen too many of these slabbed as FH and upon closer inspection, imo, didn't qualify for the designation. Keep it simple; if you have to look at the coin three or four times, or you get a headache from eyestrain, it's not a FH.
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<< <i>Hardly know nuthin about SLQ's and less about full heads. Your photo is on the left, the center and right photo's are also graded full head and since we are using photos to discuss this coin, can you point out the differences in the full heads on the other two coins from the coin of this thread? I seriously would like to know if for no other reason than for education. Oh yeah both the others are 20-ds.
For Type II coins, a coin must exhibit:
- three well defined leaves in hair
- a complete hairline along brow and across face
- a small indentation at ear >>
A complete hairline along brow and across face along with and ear hole is missing on many type II Full Head designated SLQ's... NGC and ANACS are VERY forgiving on some of the tougher dates such as 20-D, 20-S, 24-D, especially 26-D and 26-s, along with the 29-D from having viewed thousands of examples in the course of 2+ decades as most are 85, 90, or 95% FH sometimes far less.
I'll post a few Full Head examples with full brow/hairline separation.
Here are a few different AU58FH shots.
<< <i>My question is that the two I posted look enough like yours that I can't see much difference. What am I missing here? The two on the right are graded by a different TPG. >>
Brow separation, so let's try this....
if Miss Liberty was a real woman and you walked up to stroke her and ran your fingers from her forehead all the way down to her ear along her hairline towards her neck you would be able to feel the separation.
On a coin you can only look for the full separation line between the two areas... does this make sense
Warning: Hope no one got too excited by this analogy
<< <i>So then none of the 3 pictured would be FH'd by that definition? >>
Correct IMHO close but no
The far right example is the closest to a FH, left next, but the center image is hurting really bad.
<< <i>The center image is graded 66 FH and the right one 64 FH, both by PCGS. >>
All the FH example images that I have posted are Slider Unc's so they have less meat left on them then Choice BU examples as like it or not the head gets rub.
I look at SLQ's everyday on multiple sites and haven't been able to purchase a single coin since April 2008... not for the lack of trying.
MFH may jump in and mention that I am seeking Superb FH's... not so just examples that meet the text book standard of having all the details necessary to fully qualify.
Imaging a SLQ FH is tricky as if you tilt the coin off a few degrees you will loose the separation line in you pics... so I'm not sure how poor the center image of your MS66FH really is
TDN has mentioned on here a few times that chasing FH designated SLQ's is crazy as he'd much rather have an example that was almost there for far less... nothing wrong with that.
Unlike Merc FSB which are either fully split of not.... designating a SLQ's as FH for some reason seems like rocket science when it's really not so tough.
<< <i>I've seen rather well struck heads on other dates, but it seems to me the TPG's are saying on this particular date this is as close as you are going to find so let's call them FH and that goes for all the TPG's. >>
<< <i>NGC uses their own, unpublished "market grading" standards. (as does PCGS) >>
I don't have it in front of me, but doesn't the PCGS grading guide define full head somewhere?
<< <i>The "Official Grading Service of the ANA" tag is something sold to the highest bidder. >>
Moreover, even if "Official Grading Service" weren't a "pay for play" title, the ANA Grading Guide no longer defines the standards. It reflects those standards that have been defined by the marketplace.
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The 24 is a decent FH with nice overall detail.
The 16 has a typical FH for the date and can never be compared to a 17 T1. The differences in head detail are very significant, as are the overall details evident on the entire coin.
Not the greatest scans, but hopefully, they help clarify some SLQ information.
I have just one SLQ that has a FH designation, and 21 that do not, because I agree with TDN's philosophy.
Jim
<< <i>Since NGC is the offical grading service of the ANA you'd think they would abide by the following...
According to Official A.N.A. Grading Standards
for United States Coins, a coin must adhere to the following
standards to be considered a candidate for the FH designation:
For Type I coins, a coin must exhibit:
- well defined details in hair
- a complete hairline along face
- a visible eyebrow
- a rounded cheek
For Type II coins, a coin must exhibit:
- three well defined leaves in hair
- a complete hairline along brow and across face
- a small indentation at ear >>
Who says that NGC has to follow the ANA's standards? The "Official Grading Service" this is a paid for endorsement...
NGC, PCGS, and every other grading service is paid to give their opinion of the grade based on their grading standard... not on any one elses standard...
But back to the coin... it looks like a borderline call, but I can see the three items you point out as being required for FH...
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There's a great number of "FH" coins that I have looked at that I have passed on as they were market graded to be FHs and weren't true FHs. I don't have any problem buying non-FH coins you see, but I won't pay FH money for one either.
All that being said, SLQs seem to bring out the worst in the TPGs, some of the 1916s in particular that have been holdered are scary.
there are many , many more examples in TPG's slabs holdered as Full Head that are a whole lot more lacking then this one .
As has been pointed out with Full step nickles, full band dimes and Full Bell Line Franklins and the likes :
the grading company's define the designation - not you, your brother , or the guy down the street
PCGS and NGC either give them "nothing" or an undeserved FH.
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<< <i>1920-D 25c Full Head (PCGS)
Now that's what I call a Full Head ....and it's got that nice rub up and down her leg
<< <i>1920-D 25c Full Head (PCGS)
Now that's what I call a Full Head ....and it's got that nice rub up and down her leg
Yeah, flatness, dullness, and a color difference...what the ANA summer grading seminar defines as WEAR.
<< <i>I'd rather collect a 'just missed it' example without the premium for the designation, thank you very much. >>
Where's the kool-aid kid for these people?
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<< <i>My question is that the two I posted look enough like yours that I can't see much difference. What am I missing here? The two on the right are graded by a different TPG. >>
Hey, I think I can see some ear wax in the right one's ear. Would that make a full head?
Leo
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<< <i>1920-D 25c Full Head (PCGS)
Full shield, full stars, full breast plate, full fingers and toes, full feathers, eagle head, letters and date. What was this thread about?
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......in fact -here's the crux of the matter.......like Cline said
you got full heads , super full heads , and full blown Godzilla Full Heads
<< <i>The yellowish one above ,showing the obverse and reverse - has a full, fully full, Full head
......in fact -here's the crux of the matter.......like Cline said
you got full heads , super full heads , and full blown Godzilla Full Heads >>
All 4 images are the same coin... different angle and lighting on the second obverse along with a blow-up of the FH.
<< <i>1920-D 25c Full Head (PCGS)
What's struck into Liberty's upper thigh , Joe ?
edit to add a little sarcasm :
Is there a premium for the "spiked" head ?
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<< <i>
<< <i>1920-D 25c Full Head (PCGS)
What's struck into Liberty's upper thigh , Joe ?
edit to add a little sarcasm :
Is there a premium for the "spiked" head ?
TwoSides2aCoin, there's nothing struck into the thigh it's part of the type two design that isn't always noticed... just like some collectors are surprised the first they notice the belly button on a type one SLQ. It's actually a button holding up the skirt line on Miss Liberty's right thigh (left thigh facing)... also on the type one design but much more pronounced.
The spike is a die crack as 1919 and 1920 Denver SLQ Deliveries are plagued with these on both the obverse and reverse design... the 1919-D depending on the reverse die at times looks like the eagle is suspended by two strings at the wing tips.
Looks like someone has SLQ's on the brain again...
My newer 1920-D - which is "okay" - not my favorite
coin in the set - but I had a credit with the seller that
I wanted to use up. I fully plan on replacing this coin.
Here's my old 1920-D: [ again ]
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thread.
This older quote sort of rang a bell with me.
Unlike Merc FSB which are either fully split of not.... designating a SLQ's as FH for some reason seems like rocket science when it's really not so tough.
SLQ's are no longer the only gray area in "full" designations. There are all types of strike quality in FB mercs out there....including the kind where the split disappears when
you tilt the coin. Bands today are graded on being "split" rather than being "fully split." Enough said.
roadrunner
Minimum FH, Strong FH and Ultra FH.
The Minimum FH should not carry the full price of a FH coin. It has the minimum three leaves, crown
and ear hole. However the leaves are more like blobs, the crown is weak and shallow in parts and the
ear hols is rather shallow and indistinct. Also the hair at back of head lacks detail.The face itself is rather
flat and bland. Never pay FH prices for these narginal FH coins.
Strong FH, has all of the mandatory details strong and fully struck up. The leaves look like leaves and show
attachment to the crown. The crown is strong and full all along from the front to the back of head. The hair
is fully detailed and the face shows some definition between cheek bone and jaw. These are the FH that
deserve the full Head price.
Ultra FH, These coins are no longer available except as pictures in Cline's Reference Book. They were always rare
and few and far between. They are impounded in strong hands.The remarkable about these rare coins is the head detail.
It resembles a fine sculpture in marble. The leaves show stems connecting them to the crown which is raised and 3-D
The hair is also highly detailed from the brow back to the bun. The face is remarkable between the cheek bone and the
jaw bone is a slight valley giving the face a fine, detailed and natural look. All in all, these coins , if they were ever to
appear , would garner prices maany, many multiples of the guide FH prices. I have only seen pictures of these works of art
and some day, I would dearly love to actually see one of these masterpieces of the minters art.
Camelot
<< <i>Ultra FH, These coins are no longer available except as pictures in Cline's Reference Book. They were always rare
and few and far between. They are impounded in strong hands.The remarkable about these rare coins is the head detail.
It resembles a fine sculpture in marble. The leaves show stems connecting them to the crown which is raised and 3-D
The hair is also highly detailed from the brow back to the bun. The face is remarkable between the cheek bone and the
jaw bone is a slight valley giving the face a fine, detailed and natural look. All in all, these coins , if they were ever to
appear , would garner prices maany, many multiples of the guide FH prices. I have only seen pictures of these works of art
and some day, I would dearly love to actually see one of these masterpieces of the minters art. >>
Bear, Ultra Full Head are out there and sometimes I even find them for free...
What a glorious day it was when this one arrived non FH designated!
Camelot
<< <i>That coin looks awfully good to me. I would not throw it out of my collection.
Thanks I sold that 3 years ago to another member as it's not hard for me to find Ultra FH Philly's with the exception of 1921 and 1923.
roadrunner
<< <i>OMG seeing stuff like this just drives me nutz and to someone who is buying purely just based on the TPG service designation your gonna get hurt!
What's wrong with this 1920-D
Nice Description
one of the most difficult deliveries within the SLQ series and rarely offered, the 20-D is well-respected among specialists as a serious KEY to the series - full-head details are fully apparent particularly in the 3-leaves and hairwaves; the virtually clean lustrous surfaces display incredibly beautiful rich original gold color adding the splendid eye appeal of this conservatively graded representative - a wonderful find for the specialist
I don't even consider this coin a borderline full head. I would be disappointed if I ended up purchasing a coin like this at auction. I personally don't like the designations FH, FBL, FS, etc., as I have seen coins that truly meet the respective designation; however, there was significant weakness in other areas. I would much rather see a FS, full strike, designation.
<< <i>How long has it been since PCGS has been giving AU58's a full head designation. I don't believe they started out that way in 1986.
roadrunner >>
I have OGH AU58FH's but have never seen a FH designated 1st generation AU58 holder.
I just purchased a AU58 1917-S TY II in a rattler that meets FH designation but isn't labeled as such.
If anyone has a PCGS POP report from 1986-89 that would be helpful!
Camelot
<< <i>
<< <i>How long has it been since PCGS has been giving AU58's a full head designation. I don't believe they started out that way in 1986.
roadrunner >>
I have OGH AU58FH's but have never seen a FH designated 1st generation AU58 holder.
I just purchased a AU58 1917-S TY II in a rattler that meets FH designation but isn't labeled as such.
If anyone has a PCGS POP report from 1986-89 that would be helpful! >>
The early pop reports may not answer whether they put FH designations on AU coins back then.
I have a June 1, 1989 report that shows only MS-60 and better coins. It has a summary page by grades only including all coins and a similar a breakdown of circ grades.
Out of 1,073,136 coins graded, it looks like fewer than 50,000 were circulated coins. So I'm not sure if they ever issued any detailed reports on coins under MS-60 coins at that time.
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<< <i>The early pop reports may not answer whether they put FH designations on AU coins back then.
I have a June 1, 1989 report that shows only MS-60 and better coins. It has a summary page by grades only including all coins and a similar a breakdown of circ grades.
Out of 1,073,136 coins graded, it looks like fewer than 50,000 were circulated coins. So I'm not sure if they ever issued any detailed reports on coins under MS-60 coins at that time. >>
Thank you very much WinLoseWin as your info provided is greatly appreciated!
I must be seeing things because I SEE the hairline along the side of the head and an ear hole (albeit tiny). I can see why it graded FH. Certainly not a great FH you sometimes see but FH nonetheless.
I can see why some could complain since it barely makes the designation. But yet at the same time a SLQ will get designated a FH, say much nicer than this one, but lack other ares of the coin that are not fully struck...not by a long shot. ie the shield. I never hear any complaints about that.
Also, if you were buying in an auction wouldn't you have seen this coin beforehand and know it wasn't a good FH strike? If not, maybe that should be a lesson learned about buying in auction WITHOUT looking at the coins in hard or at least having someone look for you.
Just my thoughts...
jom
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"Sou Mangueira......."
is not worthy of the full FH price. As for myself, I would
not consider it at all.
Camelot
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