If you're not gonna give the guy a hard time, send me his phone number and name and I'll do it for you!!!
I would call him and let him know how rediculous it's become. There is no reason for someone to hold on to your payment for a YEAR! Regardless of the situational facts, it sounds very unprofessional IMHO. In my line of work something like this would NEVER fly. You take care of your clients or you're out of business...simple as that!
My gut feeling is that he didn't actually own the item, he was brokering a deal on someones behalf and then the seller decided to back out...and the dealer has spent the last while trying to get the seller to actually relenquish the item. Call him and give him an earfull, be civil but firm, give him a week to get his affairs in order but let him know that after the end of the week you will be taking action. Then get some organizations involved...Better Business Bureau, PNG, ANA, I don't know, whoever will listen.
To me it sounds like he doesn't deserve your money. You should be charging interest for a years worth of holding on to your money.
Where's the person who started this thread? Is he too embarassed to participate?
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Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Sounds like the tip of the iceberg. I bet Coinasaurus is not the only person whose money is being held hostage by this person, who may not actually be reputable after all. My advice to the OP is to get a refund now and move on.
Even if the deal goes bad, it is unlikely I would out them, becasue I have a certain respect for their reputation
You have a certain respect for the reputation of a person who takes you for four figures? That defies logic, really.
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<< <i>Even if the deal goes bad, it is unlikely I would out them, becasue I have a certain respect for their reputation
You have a certain respect for the reputation of a person who takes you for four figures? That defies logic, really. >>
LOL! Reputation!? You have too much money if you lose 4 figures and still will not out this dealer. He would have been getting tired of me after one month.
If he doesn't deliver on the coin or the cash, plus interest (5% sounds fair), out him. I, for one, will make his life a pain in the ass until he either changes his name or moves.
<< <i>Where's the person who started this thread? Is he too embarassed to participate? >>
I'm still here. Quite a few PMs on the topic
I will report back as soon as I have an update (which, given the situation as it has unrolled so far will take at least a few weeks).
Alternatively, if you follow me around at the ANA, you will see me make an appearance at said dealer's table. >>
Alright, who's gonna follow Coinasaurus around the bourse floor with a popcorn wagon?????
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<< <i>Where's the person who started this thread? Is he too embarassed to participate? >>
I'm still here. Quite a few PMs on the topic
I will report back as soon as I have an update (which, given the situation as it has unrolled so far will take at least a few weeks).
Alternatively, if you follow me around at the ANA, you will see me make an appearance at said dealer's table. >>
Alright, who's gonna follow Coinasaurus around the bourse floor with a popcorn wagon?????
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It might be more fun following him around with a video camera to make a recording of any fireworks.
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I agree with asking for my money back. If possible, do it in person when he has his checkbook. If he tells you he needs a bit of time tell him you'll hold the check. keep it very friendly as I can see you really want this item. I don't think $100 will get this guys attention. Since you really want this item I would offer a 10-20% premium if he can deliver in 30 days. Put a time limit on your offer to get him interested sooner. --Jerry
For those who think you're an idiot for waiting, I understand your interest in the item, long term trust of the dealer, and how these things that seemed like a week, then a month, become a year. You did a good job keeping it general and not outing the guy or the item.
<< <i>If he doesn't deliver on the coin or the cash, plus interest (5% sounds fair), out him. I, for one, will make his life a pain in the ass until he either changes his name or moves. >>
You would pretty much guarantee yourself never to own this item. --Jerry
<< <i>If he doesn't deliver on the coin or the cash, plus interest (5% sounds fair), out him. I, for one, will make his life a pain in the ass until he either changes his name or moves. >>
You would pretty much guarantee yourself never to own this item. --Jerry >>
So what? No coin is worth putting up with this crap.
Also, this dealer likely doesn't have access to this coin so the chances of ever owning this coin wouldn't change by getting your money back.
If the coin is halfway special as you claim, it will probably be sold at public auction where you can compete for it.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>If he doesn't deliver on the coin or the cash, plus interest (5% sounds fair), out him. I, for one, will make his life a pain in the ass until he either changes his name or moves. >>
You would pretty much guarantee yourself never to own this item. --Jerry >>
The odds that he gets the item are already quite low.
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Most replies are from people to whom Money means some thing, I guess to some people the money has no real value so whats a year? To some people $5000 is like $5.00 , I have never had that kinda money so I don't understand this at all. Actually seems like weird thread , that a person would even want to admit to being like this unless they were really trying to get there money back, which in this case does not appear to be the case. JMO AL
Or possible this is all joke? That makes more sense
I can't hardly believe that you have waited 12 months to have this resolved. Be that as it may, make all the appropriate grievance reports to the ANA, PNG & BBB .
I can't think of a single instance in my lifetime where I've had someone hold my money for an entire year (pending delivery) and then had a positive outcome.
Someone please explain why this particular dealer has such a great reputation.
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This whole post is bizarre. Help, I've given someone my monay and they have not delivered my merchandise. But I don't want to insult them, cause I still hope to receive the item.
<< <i>This whole post is bizarre. Help, I've given someone my monay and they have not delivered my merchandise. But I don't want to insult them, cause I still hope to receive the item. >>
Very true, but on the other hand, there are many bizarre forumites here who thrive on rare, strange and unusual tidbits----------BigE
<< <i>I can't hardly believe that you have waited 12 months to have this resolved. Be that as it may, make all the appropriate grievance reports to the ANA, PNG & BBB . >>
There must be someone who could use a few $$$ if the above fails. 30 days is long enough.
<< <i>If he doesn't deliver on the coin or the cash, plus interest (5% sounds fair), out him. I, for one, will make his life a pain in the ass until he either changes his name or moves. >>
You would pretty much guarantee yourself never to own this item. --Jerry >>
So what? No coin is worth putting up with this crap.
Also, this dealer likely doesn't have access to this coin so the chances of ever owning this coin wouldn't change by getting your money back.
If the coin is halfway special as you claim, it will probably be sold at public auction where you can compete for it. >>
1. Many dealers are stretched in many directions as they try to do too much with not enough help and things in the coin business can take longer than we are becoming accustomed to. Not saying it is OK to drag on a year but if you add the normal slowness of the coin business to the security requirements (many dealers have many SDBs in many banks in many different towns or cities) and then if the dealer is bit prone toward procrastination, I can see how this can drag on with a dealer who has ever intention of completing the deal when he locates the item.
2. "putting up with this crap". Coin collecting isn't all about just sending in money for the coins and filling the spots. In fact, I've put off a few buyers by making coins too easy for them to buy. There is the thrill of the chase and the extra mile you have to go to make a great acquisition. This will certainly be a satisfying acquisition if it is successful.
Money's gone, lesson's learned, I figure. But if I am wrong then I sure hope the OP is close to reconciliation because there is no other reason to protect this dealer unless there is more to the story than we've been told. Lance.
<< <i>Money's gone, lesson's learned, I figure. But if I am wrong then I sure hope the OP is close to reconciliation because there is no other reason to protect this dealer unless there is more to the story than we've been told. Lance. >>
1. Many dealers are stretched in many directions as they try to do too much with not enough help and things in the coin business can take longer than we are becoming accustomed to. Not saying it is OK to drag on a year but if you add the normal slowness of the coin business to the security requirements (many dealers have many SDBs in many banks in many different towns or cities) and then if the dealer is bit prone toward procrastination, I can see how this can drag on with a dealer who has ever intention of completing the deal when he locates the item.
But as already mentioned by several folks....this could also be the signs of a dealer in financial straights. The OP may not be the only creditor looking for his stuff/money.
2. "putting up with this crap". Coin collecting isn't all about just sending in money for the coins and filling the spots. In fact, I've put off a few buyers by making coins too easy for them to buy. There is the thrill of the chase and the extra mile you have to go to make a great acquisition. This will certainly be a satisfying acquisition if it is successful.
Or it could also be a devastating hit, the memory of which will last a lifetime. There's no "satisfying acquisition" that will ever remove the feeling of once having been royally ripped off. My first one came back in 1974 and was for about $1,000. While I wish things like that would fade away from memory..... they just don't.
This is most certainly not typical behavior for any reputable dealer, especially one with a supposedly stellar reputation as is claimed. Any reputable dealer would not string along someone for a year. Also, when dealing with a reputable dealer you should have an invoice or receipt of some sort... no matter what the dollar amount involved happens to be. Also, I fail to understand why OP insists on keeping the dealers' identity a secret...he certainly hasn't done you any favors.
Assuming the dealer is reputable as claimed, my educated guess is one of the following:
a) Dealer accidentally sold item in question and is trying to get it back, b) Dealer actually did misplace the item and is unable to locate it, ...or possibly, c) Item was lost/stolen and dealer is trying to find a replacement.
Of course, a reputable dealer would have owned up to any of those reasons right away, offered you a refund and not strung you along for a year. So I question his "reputation".
With the recent market swings there are a lot of dealers (even reputable ones) that are under significant cash stress and I've heard several stories of robbing Peter to pay Paul. This might be one of those scenarios. It does happen-in fact we had a 5-digit check bounced on us recently-it was made good but my point is that some guys, even good guys, can be financial nincompoops at times, and they can also get sloppy with invetory control. He might have sold it but left it on the books by accident.
I would echo the sentiments already expressed by others here and politely but firmly tell him that 12 months is long enough to wait... either give me the coin or my money back. Simple as that. If he comes up with the piece later you can always buy it at that time if desired.
One last thing...I don't totally buy that this guy is the only one who can get you the item in question. There are other sellers out there. Get your money back and find one of them.
<< <i>Let me get this straight, you actually believe a $100 bonus is the way to go, that it will be the motivating factor on a 4 figure coin. I am sorry to say but not only do I think your are crazy for how you let this drag out so long, but now I know your crazy when that is now your new course of action. So I am going to tell i tlike it is, that isn't a course of action, that is called wimping out. >>
If I'm this dealer, I'd have rolled your four figures into five by now. If you still can, you should get a voice recording and threaten to sue him for your money back plus loss of opportunity cost.
<< <i>One last thing...I don't totally buy that this guy is the only one who can get you the item in question. There are other sellers out there. Get your money back and find one of them. >>
There are a small number of these things out there, I know all the owners, and they are all as equally irrational as I am about getting one and locking it up.
The dealer may be having second thoughts about letting it go & is just waiting for me to ask for my money back so they can get out the deal and it will be "my fault." I will post updates as they occur.
If he goes to coin shows that you know of it would be wise of you to show up with several of your friends and try to peacefully resolve it indoors, if not well then its time to meet him outside and handle the situation. Afterall he is scum for taking twelve months to deliver. Dont be a wimp stand up to this guy because he is definately taking advantage of you.
As others have written, there are number of dealers out there who take all kinds of risks with other people's money, and if it doesn't work out, go BK and then start all over again. Unless we're looking at out and out theft, they rarely, if ever do any time at the big house.
The local bullion dealer had an "excellent reputation" in 1979 and 1980, when he was taking people's money and handing out IOUs, promsing the future delivery of bullion gold coins. The people who got the IOUs also got notices of BK filings.
The only people to whom I would write a check and not receive the merchandise under these circumstances are Mark Feld and my rep at Heritage (the check would be sent to him, written to Heritage).
One way or other, you need to tell this guy to "**** or get off the pot." I don't care what language you use. Public humiliation at a show, if this will happen soon, is probably your best bet. Make sure you have a number of witnesses. Bring the cancelled check.
This is simply unacceptable. As others have written, I'm willing to be you aren't the only victim of this scam.
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<< <i>One last thing...I don't totally buy that this guy is the only one who can get you the item in question. There are other sellers out there. Get your money back and find one of them. >>
There are a small number of these things out there, I know all the owners, and they are all as equally irrational as I am about getting one and locking it up.
The dealer may be having second thoughts about letting it go & is just waiting for me to ask for my money back so they can get out the deal and it will be "my fault." I will post updates as they occur. >>
It's one of those original lithographs of the Lamasure painting isn't it? Maybe a gavel constructed from the original mint woodwork? I say this in jest, but I have a feeling that this item is not a coin, but something related to numismatics. My curiosity is getting the better of me. I'm really interested to know what the item is, I hope everything works out for you...AND I hope you can post the item to the forum in the future!
<< <i>One last thing...I don't totally buy that this guy is the only one who can get you the item in question. There are other sellers out there. Get your money back and find one of them. >>
There are a small number of these things out there, I know all the owners, and they are all as equally irrational as I am about getting one and locking it up.
The dealer may be having second thoughts about letting it go & is just waiting for me to ask for my money back so they can get out the deal and it will be "my fault." I will post updates as they occur. >>
Utter nonsense. Any ethical dealer who sets a price for an item and gets paid for it in good funds will SELL the item as agreed and not wait a year to do so regardless of whether they have seller's remorse. You are desperately trying to rationalize this behavior because you want the item so badly. You need to wake up and face facts...you are being hosed around, and that does not speak well to this supposedly stellar individual's ethics, nor to your level of common sense. Get the item or get your money. Tomorrow. Otherwise it is very possible that you will eventually have neither.
Coinosaurus - Almost bit on the "sellers remorse" bait. Nice try.
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No offense is intended to the OP, but... I gotta call it as I see it:
You deserve whatever happens.
From your comments, you're actually condoning, if not encouraging this dealer's methods. That being the case, what's the problem? You're evidently content to loan him money interest-free for as long as he wants it, with nothing in return.
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I would call him and let him know how rediculous it's become. There is no reason for someone to hold on to your payment for a YEAR! Regardless of the situational facts, it sounds very unprofessional IMHO. In my line of work something like this would NEVER fly. You take care of your clients or you're out of business...simple as that!
My gut feeling is that he didn't actually own the item, he was brokering a deal on someones behalf and then the seller decided to back out...and the dealer has spent the last while trying to get the seller to actually relenquish the item. Call him and give him an earfull, be civil but firm, give him a week to get his affairs in order but let him know that after the end of the week you will be taking action. Then get some organizations involved...Better Business Bureau, PNG, ANA, I don't know, whoever will listen.
To me it sounds like he doesn't deserve your money. You should be charging interest for a years worth of holding on to your money.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>Where's the person who started this thread? Is he too embarassed to participate? >>
I'm still here. Quite a few PMs on the topic
I will report back as soon as I have an update (which, given the situation as it has unrolled so far will take at least a few weeks).
Alternatively, if you follow me around at the ANA, you will see me make an appearance at said dealer's table.
Maybe letting him know you'll track him down at ANA with a CU posse will convince him to find it
<< <i>BTW guys four figures cases are not handled in most small claims courts.
You can go for 10k in Texas, but small claims can be hard to collect.
12 months is way to long, a good dealer would have sent the money back after 30 days of not being able to locate the item.
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You have a certain respect for the reputation of a person who takes you for four figures? That defies logic, really.
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<< <i>Even if the deal goes bad, it is unlikely I would out them, becasue I have a certain respect for their reputation
You have a certain respect for the reputation of a person who takes you for four figures? That defies logic, really. >>
LOL! Reputation!? You have too much money if you lose 4 figures and still will not out this dealer. He would have been getting tired of me after one month.
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<< <i>Where's the person who started this thread? Is he too embarassed to participate? >>
I'm still here. Quite a few PMs on the topic
I will report back as soon as I have an update (which, given the situation as it has unrolled so far will take at least a few weeks).
Alternatively, if you follow me around at the ANA, you will see me make an appearance at said dealer's table. >>
Alright, who's gonna follow Coinasaurus around the bourse floor with a popcorn wagon?????
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<< <i>Where's the person who started this thread? Is he too embarassed to participate? >>
I'm still here. Quite a few PMs on the topic
I will report back as soon as I have an update (which, given the situation as it has unrolled so far will take at least a few weeks).
Alternatively, if you follow me around at the ANA, you will see me make an appearance at said dealer's table. >>
Alright, who's gonna follow Coinasaurus around the bourse floor with a popcorn wagon?????
It might be more fun following him around with a video camera to make a recording of any fireworks.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
For those who think you're an idiot for waiting, I understand your interest in the item, long term trust of the dealer, and how these things that seemed like a week, then a month, become a year. You did a good job keeping it general and not outing the guy or the item.
--Jerry
<< <i>If he doesn't deliver on the coin or the cash, plus interest (5% sounds fair), out him. I, for one, will make his life a pain in the ass until he either changes his name or moves. >>
You would pretty much guarantee yourself never to own this item. --Jerry
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<< <i>If he doesn't deliver on the coin or the cash, plus interest (5% sounds fair), out him. I, for one, will make his life a pain in the ass until he either changes his name or moves. >>
You would pretty much guarantee yourself never to own this item. --Jerry >>
So what? No coin is worth putting up with this crap.
Also, this dealer likely doesn't have access to this coin so the chances of ever owning this coin wouldn't change by getting your money back.
If the coin is halfway special as you claim, it will probably be sold at public auction where you can compete for it.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>Even if the deal goes bad, it is unlikely I would out them, becasue I have a certain respect for their reputation
You have a certain respect for the reputation of a person who takes you for four figures? That defies logic, really. >>
I said I wouldn't out them. Didn't say I wouldn't litigate
As far as following me around at the ANA, perhaps we'll see the first CU Forum "flash mob"
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<< <i>If he doesn't deliver on the coin or the cash, plus interest (5% sounds fair), out him. I, for one, will make his life a pain in the ass until he either changes his name or moves. >>
You would pretty much guarantee yourself never to own this item. --Jerry >>
The odds that he gets the item are already quite low.
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Or possible this is all joke? That makes more sense
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<< <i>Where's the person who started this thread? Is he too embarassed to participate? >>
I'm still here. Quite a few PMs on the topic
I will report back as soon as I have an update (which, given the situation as it has unrolled so far will take at least a few weeks).
Alternatively, if you follow me around at the ANA, you will see me make an appearance at said dealer's table. >>
Just tell us who it is, so we can simply wait at the dealer's table for you to arrive.
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<< <i>Where's the person who started this thread? Is he too embarassed to participate? >>
I'm still here. Quite a few PMs on the topic
I will report back as soon as I have an update (which, given the situation as it has unrolled so far will take at least a few weeks).
Alternatively, if you follow me around at the ANA, you will see me make an appearance at said dealer's table. >>
Just tell us who it is, so we can simply wait at the dealer's table for you to arrive. >>
This is getting creepy
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<< <i>Just tell us who it is, so we can simply wait at the dealer's table for you to arrive. >>
Nice one
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Sometimes the TRUTH with ALL the facts gets results faster.
If he is set up at the ANA he must be a member of the ANA, therefore tell he your are going to ask the ANA staff for assistance.
Gather all the facts sush as copies of cashed check and any and all contacts, emails voice mails and any other like coin shows contacts.
Good Luck
Someone please explain why this particular dealer has such a great reputation.
I knew it would happen.
<< <i>This whole post is bizarre. Help, I've given someone my monay and they have not delivered my merchandise. But I don't want to insult them, cause I still hope to receive the item. >>
Very true, but on the other hand, there are many bizarre forumites here who thrive on rare, strange and unusual tidbits
<< <i>I can't hardly believe that you have waited 12 months to have this resolved. Be that as it may, make all the appropriate grievance reports to the ANA, PNG & BBB . >>
There must be someone who could use a few $$$ if the above fails. 30 days is long enough.
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<< <i>If he doesn't deliver on the coin or the cash, plus interest (5% sounds fair), out him. I, for one, will make his life a pain in the ass until he either changes his name or moves. >>
You would pretty much guarantee yourself never to own this item. --Jerry >>
So what? No coin is worth putting up with this crap.
Also, this dealer likely doesn't have access to this coin so the chances of ever owning this coin wouldn't change by getting your money back.
If the coin is halfway special as you claim, it will probably be sold at public auction where you can compete for it. >>
1. Many dealers are stretched in many directions as they try to do too much with not enough help and things in the coin business can take longer than we are becoming accustomed to. Not saying it is OK to drag on a year but if you add the normal slowness of the coin business to the security requirements (many dealers have many SDBs in many banks in many different towns or cities) and then if the dealer is bit prone toward procrastination, I can see how this can drag on with a dealer who has ever intention of completing the deal when he locates the item.
2. "putting up with this crap". Coin collecting isn't all about just sending in money for the coins and filling the spots. In fact, I've put off a few buyers by making coins too easy for them to buy. There is the thrill of the chase and the extra mile you have to go to make a great acquisition. This will certainly be a satisfying acquisition if it is successful.
--Jerry
Lance.
<< <i>Money's gone, lesson's learned, I figure. But if I am wrong then I sure hope the OP is close to reconciliation because there is no other reason to protect this dealer unless there is more to the story than we've been told.
Lance. >>
I agree.
But as already mentioned by several folks....this could also be the signs of a dealer in financial straights. The OP may not be the only creditor looking for his stuff/money.
2. "putting up with this crap". Coin collecting isn't all about just sending in money for the coins and filling the spots. In fact, I've put off a few buyers by making coins too easy for them to buy. There is the thrill of the chase and the extra mile you have to go to make a great acquisition. This will certainly be a satisfying acquisition if it is successful.
Or it could also be a devastating hit, the memory of which will last a lifetime. There's no "satisfying acquisition" that will ever remove the feeling of once having been royally ripped off. My first one came back in 1974 and was for about $1,000. While I wish things like that would fade away from memory..... they just don't.
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Also, I fail to understand why OP insists on keeping the dealers' identity a secret...he certainly hasn't done you any favors.
Assuming the dealer is reputable as claimed, my educated guess is one of the following:
a) Dealer accidentally sold item in question and is trying to get it back,
b) Dealer actually did misplace the item and is unable to locate it,
...or possibly,
c) Item was lost/stolen and dealer is trying to find a replacement.
Of course, a reputable dealer would have owned up to any of those reasons right away, offered you a refund and not strung you along for a year. So I question his "reputation".
With the recent market swings there are a lot of dealers (even reputable ones) that are under significant cash stress and I've heard several stories of robbing Peter to pay Paul. This might be one of those scenarios. It does happen-in fact we had a 5-digit check bounced on us recently-it was made good but my point is that some guys, even good guys, can be financial nincompoops at times, and they can also get sloppy with invetory control. He might have sold it but left it on the books by accident.
I would echo the sentiments already expressed by others here and politely but firmly tell him that 12 months is long enough to wait... either give me the coin or my money back. Simple as that. If he comes up with the piece later you can always buy it at that time if desired.
One last thing...I don't totally buy that this guy is the only one who can get you the item in question. There are other sellers out there. Get your money back and find one of them.
Good Luck
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
<< <i>Let me get this straight, you actually believe a $100 bonus is the way to go, that it will be the motivating factor on a 4 figure coin. I am sorry to say but not only do I think your are crazy for how you let this drag out so long, but now I know your crazy when that is now your new course of action. So I am going to tell i tlike it is, that isn't a course of action, that is called wimping out. >>
If I'm this dealer, I'd have rolled your four figures into five by now. If you still can, you should get a voice recording and threaten to sue him for your money back plus loss of opportunity cost.
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<< <i>One last thing...I don't totally buy that this guy is the only one who can get you the item in question. There are other sellers out there. Get your money back and find one of them.
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There are a small number of these things out there, I know all the owners, and they are all as equally irrational as I am about getting one and locking it up.
The dealer may be having second thoughts about letting it go & is just waiting for me to ask for my money back so they can get out the deal and it will be "my fault." I will post updates as they occur.
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The local bullion dealer had an "excellent reputation" in 1979 and 1980, when he was taking people's money and handing out IOUs, promsing the future delivery of bullion gold coins. The people who got the IOUs also got notices of BK filings.
The only people to whom I would write a check and not receive the merchandise under these circumstances are Mark Feld and my rep at Heritage (the check would be sent to him, written to Heritage).
One way or other, you need to tell this guy to "**** or get off the pot." I don't care what language you use. Public humiliation at a show, if this will happen soon, is probably your best bet. Make sure you have a number of witnesses. Bring the cancelled check.
This is simply unacceptable. As others have written, I'm willing to be you aren't the only victim of this scam.
"Seu cabra da peste,
"Sou Mangueira......."
i could live with the answer to one question------------------how in the hell can a dealer do this to someone and still be regarded with respect???
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<< <i>One last thing...I don't totally buy that this guy is the only one who can get you the item in question. There are other sellers out there. Get your money back and find one of them.
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There are a small number of these things out there, I know all the owners, and they are all as equally irrational as I am about getting one and locking it up.
The dealer may be having second thoughts about letting it go & is just waiting for me to ask for my money back so they can get out the deal and it will be "my fault." I will post updates as they occur. >>
It's one of those original lithographs of the Lamasure painting isn't it? Maybe a gavel constructed from the original mint woodwork? I say this in jest, but I have a feeling that this item is not a coin, but something related to numismatics. My curiosity is getting the better of me. I'm really interested to know what the item is, I hope everything works out for you...AND I hope you can post the item to the forum in the future!
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<< <i>One last thing...I don't totally buy that this guy is the only one who can get you the item in question. There are other sellers out there. Get your money back and find one of them.
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There are a small number of these things out there, I know all the owners, and they are all as equally irrational as I am about getting one and locking it up.
The dealer may be having second thoughts about letting it go & is just waiting for me to ask for my money back so they can get out the deal and it will be "my fault." I will post updates as they occur. >>
Utter nonsense. Any ethical dealer who sets a price for an item and gets paid for it in good funds will SELL the item as agreed and not wait a year to do so regardless of whether they have seller's remorse. You are desperately trying to rationalize this behavior because you want the item so badly. You need to wake up and face facts...you are being hosed around, and that does not speak well to this supposedly stellar individual's ethics, nor to your level of common sense. Get the item or get your money. Tomorrow. Otherwise it is very possible that you will eventually have neither.
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
<< <i>.............................and to think how easily some of you guys trashed Ol' Funderburke, and i doubt Pepperdoodles ever did anything this bad.
Ahhh Pepperdoodles. I miss how he would TYPE IN CAPS ALL THE TIME AS IF SCREAMING AT US ALL!!!
You deserve whatever happens.
From your comments, you're actually condoning, if not encouraging this dealer's methods. That being the case, what's the problem? You're evidently content to loan him money interest-free for as long as he wants it, with nothing in return.
Thread over.
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