Capped Bust Quarters, MEGA THREAD?!

Quarternut · December 13, 2009 7:48AM

Ya! I bet that is rare.

If you have one to sell...I'm a buyer!

QN

Eagleguy · December 13, 2009 9:24AM

Woo Hoo! 1838's - post 'em if ya got 'em!

Great Thread Billet7!

JH

QuarterCollector · December 13, 2009 10:12AM

I agree, great thread.

Where do we go from here? Any bust quarter collectors also collect seated?

Tom

Billet7 · December 14, 2009 1:38PM

Thanks guys, and thank you all for participating. I think we could pull off a seated quarter thread as well, but we might have to stick to the basic set and major varieties...If we did all the varieties it would never end...no seriously, don't they discover a new variety every few months! It will have to wait until I sock a few more away in my collection. If no one else starts one within six months...I will.

Moldnut · February 6, 2010 10:39AM

Sure would like to see this thread going on, so Ill add a date that seems to be a forum favorite.

Billet7 · March 8, 2011 1:40AM

Just keepin' this thread alive.

hchcoin · March 8, 2011 5:11AM

<< Just keepin' this thread alive. >>

Thanks for posting to the thread today. I would not have seen it if you hadn't done so. I love it! I wish I had been on the forum when you started it so I could have participated.

QuarterCollector · March 8, 2011 5:33AM

<< 

<< Just keepin' this thread alive. >>

Thanks for posting to the thread today. I would not have seen it if you hadn't done so. I love it! I wish I had been on the forum when you started it so I could have participated. >>

What do you have? Feel free to post them now.

Tom

fastfreddie · March 8, 2011 7:00AM

Guess I should go buy something so I can participate.

hchcoin · March 8, 2011 8:02AM

Here are the small size:
B2R2

B1R1

B1R2

B3R3

B5R2

B7R2

B2R2

B1R3

B1R1

Let me know if die marriages are wrong

hchcoin · March 8, 2011 10:25AM

And the large size

B2R2

B4R2

B3R3

B1R1

Billet7 · March 8, 2011 1:41PM

Nice! Thanks for posting. I see you were able to get a hold of a nice 1832. Well done!

Eagleguy · March 8, 2011 9:29PM

My last CBQ purchase:

JH

hchcoin · March 9, 2011 6:44AM

Eagleguy - that is one cool looking quarter.

Billet7 - I did get an 1832 from the same person that sold me the 1805. I have some of the easy ones now it is going to get a little more difficult and pricey.

Billet7 · May 19, 2011 3:24AM

I just like this thread.

QuarterCollector · May 19, 2011 7:22AM

i do too

MrEureka · May 19, 2011 8:53AM

My only Bust Quarter. 1827 B-2 Original.

MrEureka · May 19, 2011 9:10AM

QuarterCollector · May 19, 2011 10:20AM

<< My only Bust Quarter. 1827 B-2 Original.

>>

OMG. Ill trade you my first born....

Billet7 · May 19, 2011 11:30AM

WHAT!!!?? You've had THAT coin this entire time and haven't posted it here???!!! Wow...I'm...speachless....

1TwoBits · May 19, 2011 2:21PM

That's a beautiful rare quarter, and Andy's piece has a very nice pedigree as well. A good choice if you're only going to own one bust quarter. It's almost kinda like a pattern?

1Two Bits

BaseballAbs · May 19, 2011 2:56PM

Andy"s quarter is stupid!

What you just had that at the bottom of your collection and forgot about it? Nice, I will sell Quartercollector for it.

Eagleguy · May 20, 2011 12:32AM

Thread's over folks! Turn off the lights on the way out...

Seriously Andy - WOW!

JH

1Bustcollector · May 30, 2011 11:52AM

1Bustcollector · May 30, 2011 11:56AM

I was so excited with Andy's 1827 B-2 I hit the send button without my "WOW THAT IS A FANTASTIC QUARTER" Andy!

firstmint · May 30, 2011 3:18PM

Have you figured out the underdate on the host coin yet?

MrEureka · May 30, 2011 3:49PM

Have you figured out the underdate on the host coin yet?

I haven't, but other people (smarter than me) claim it's an 1806/5.

Quarternut · May 30, 2011 4:33PM

<< Have you figured out the underdate on the host coin yet?

I haven't, but other people (smarter than me) claim it's an 1806/5. >>

I don't think those people are any smarter than you...because they are wrong.

QN

MrEureka · May 31, 2011 1:45AM

I don't think those people are any smarter than you...because they are wrong.

They can be wrong more than once and still be smarter than me! Anyway, what do you think it is and how sure are you?

Billet7 · May 31, 2011 2:00AM

And the gauntlet has been thrown!

1Bustcollector · May 31, 2011 5:08AM

I too would be interested in hearing what the host coin is. I have not had the chance to see it in person.....

Quarternut · May 31, 2011 6:07AM

Prior to the publishing of my book, I was granted the privilege of examining both of the 1827 B-2 EDS (Essay) Bust Quarters that are struck over cut down Draped Bust quarters that were used for planchets.

Andy (Mr. Eureka) was kind enough to allow PCGS to crack out his example for better examination and the taking of pictures by PCGS and myself, before re-slabbing the coin. John Dannreuther and myself examined the coin and discussed what we found and theories about how the coin was produced. (However, John gave me no credit when he later wrote about the coin in an article for PCGS.)

I spent a considerable amount of time both then and in later examinations of the coin trying to determine what die marriage the under-type planchet was prior to being converted into the 1827 B-2.

Given that there is absolutely no evidence remaining of the date on the coin (planchet), I was able to determine what obverse and reverse dies were involved. The original date was obliterated by star 2 & star 3, but the distance between star 7 and the head of liberty was visible and this was used to determine which die it was. On the reverse, the arrowheads and the bottom of several letters of UNITED were visible enough to be able to match this up with a reverse. (For those who do not know, the arrow heads and upper shafts were individually engraved for each die during the 1804 – 1807 time period, therefore they are all unique in configuration.)

The obverse was the 1805 Obverse 4 and the reverse was reverse C, used to strike the 1805 B-4 die marriage, but these exact dies were also used to strike the 1806/5 B-1 die marriage.

Again, due to the fact that no date is visible, we do not know which die marriage the underlying coin was. For some reason, perhaps for promotion alone, Dannreuther says it was the 1806/5 B-1. I guess that just made it a more interesting story, but I will state again, it could be the 1805 B-4 or the 1806/5 B-1, we may never know for sure.

So, in answer to the question, I believe it is either 1805 B-4 or the 1806/5 B-1, but there is no way to say it is one or the other.

On a side note: I also examined the other example free of the slab and was unable to determine what the under-type die marriage was. Andy’s example shows more of the remaining detail from the under-type than on that example.

QN

guitarwes · May 31, 2011 6:19AM

That is just plum interesting QN, thanks for sharing your comments.

That is an awesome coin Andy.

1Bustcollector · May 31, 2011 6:27AM

Very informative! Thanks for sharing.

I would love to see an overlay......if possible.

firstmint · May 31, 2011 12:30PM

Early United States Quarters are among the most interesting series of 18th-19th century coinage. There's different sizes, overdates, die cracks & cuds, restrikes, etc.

Back in the 1980's when I was first starting to study these pieces, I found that information was lacking and mis-information was plentiful. Honest, and accurate research, needed to be presented, and that's when I started to compile historical background for each year. I even found out new information about Joseph J. Mickley, which Dave Bowers published in a Rare Coin Review article. He also presented my research on the 1827/3/2 quarters a few years later in the same publication. Thanks to his generosity, those articles created an extended interest in the series.

Now, thanks to my friends, Steve Tompkins (Quarternut) and Rory Rea (1Bustcollector), et al (you too, Brad), there are now two wonderful reference books on early quarters for all numismatists to learn about and discover all of the ins and outs of this fascinating series.

With both of these needed books coming out within a 5 year timeframe, together, there is now enough accurate background information to last a lifetime.

Thank you my friends!

BaseballAbs · May 31, 2011 12:56PM

Here, Here to that!

Moldnut · May 31, 2011 1:08PM

<< Here, Here to that!

>>

Ill second that! I was also luck enough to see and hear Quarternut speak about the bogo bust coins at the EAC this month, very informative!

1Bustcollector · June 1, 2011 12:36PM

Although we would all like to see our name in lights when a significant article or book is written I don't necessarily feel (or hope) it is always done intentionally when your name does not appear. Could it be a bit of a selfish thing? Maybe. Then again, maybe not at all. Sometimes people forget, and then sometimes people feel they have done the bulk of the material while they search out "experts in the field" to get verification on their conclusions. Should that mean having your name in credits? It all depends. I am learning that we are all called upon from time to time to help out in one way or another-for free. Knowing that my name gets credited properly used to be so very important to me and now I am happy to help out and it it a nice surprise if my name appears. Don't get me wrong, I do want to be credited but sharing is what makes the world go around a little easier. I'm sure I have forgotton to list some individuals names in our new quarter book but hopefully they understand................

Should JD have done more? Would we have done the same? I myself was thrilled to assist. I have a significant amount of emails concerning the 1827 project with him. Without his help could we have accomplished all that we did? I felt he had his conclusions and directions and I assisted the best way I could have. I am not here to complain, but to say thank you for giving me the opportunity to work with you JD. You see, I have stood on the shoulders Giants quite a bit lately...........like the last 18 years.

Karl,
I want to thank you for everything you have done to assist with my special needs throughout the years. Please say hi to your significant other for me. I appreciate the kind words you wrote of us and our book!

Rory

Billet7 · January 20, 2012 2:21PM

Just keeping trying to keep this thread from going to the bottom of the pile.

Raybo · January 20, 2012 2:56PM

I own 3 CBQ's but only have images of 2.
You people will have to help on the varity.

Here they come, and the first one is a gem..............

GAB · January 20, 2012 3:03PM

Only a couple of years late on this thread, but this one should be added 1836 B-5:
(Currently at PCGS for grading)

BaseballAbs · January 20, 2012 3:13PM

Raybo, that is a very nice solid Xf 1835

Nice strike.

Raybo · January 20, 2012 3:18PM

<< Raybo, that is a very nice solid XF 1835.

Nice strike. >>

Thanks BBA, should I send'er in for grading?
I actually like the 21.

BaseballAbs · January 20, 2012 3:28PM

Yes, the 21 is cool, you might get an FA2 on that. It's fun to see them that low grade. I would for sure send in that 1835 to PCGS. You will for sure get XF. They get real tough to find higher grade and more money. Unless you want an ugly one.

QuarterCollector · January 20, 2012 10:21PM

<< Only a couple of years late on this thread, but this one should be added 1836 B-5:
(Currently at PCGS for grading)

>>

Gab I still cant believe you found her on ebay. Your find is a mega U Suck.

Eagleguy · January 20, 2012 10:25PM

Adding my newest purchases since this thread last surfaced...

1820 B4

1821 B1

1822 B1

JH

Billet7 · July 4, 2012 12:01AM

Some nice coins there EagleGuy, I'm a big fan of the 1822!

Eagleguy · July 4, 2012 12:08AM

Thanks Simon! It took me a while to find an 1822 that I liked. Here's another one I photographed just yesterday.

1831 B1

JH

USMoneylover · July 4, 2012 2:05AM

mozin · July 4, 2012 7:54AM

When is this thread going to die? Here is an 1825/3 B-2 NGC 58 CAC CBQ.

Capped Bust Quarters, MEGA THREAD?!

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