Thanks guys, and thank you all for participating. I think we could pull off a seated quarter thread as well, but we might have to stick to the basic set and major varieties...If we did all the varieties it would never end...no seriously, don't they discover a new variety every few months! It will have to wait until I sock a few more away in my collection. If no one else starts one within six months...I will.
Thanks for posting to the thread today. I would not have seen it if you hadn't done so. I love it! I wish I had been on the forum when you started it so I could have participated.
Thanks for posting to the thread today. I would not have seen it if you hadn't done so. I love it! I wish I had been on the forum when you started it so I could have participated. >>
Billet7 - I did get an 1832 from the same person that sold me the 1805. I have some of the easy ones now it is going to get a little more difficult and pricey.
That's a beautiful rare quarter, and Andy's piece has a very nice pedigree as well. A good choice if you're only going to own one bust quarter. It's almost kinda like a pattern?
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I was so excited with Andy's 1827 B-2 I hit the send button without my "WOW THAT IS A FANTASTIC QUARTER" Andy!
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I too would be interested in hearing what the host coin is. I have not had the chance to see it in person.....
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Prior to the publishing of my book, I was granted the privilege of examining both of the 1827 B-2 EDS (Essay) Bust Quarters that are struck over cut down Draped Bust quarters that were used for planchets.
Andy (Mr. Eureka) was kind enough to allow PCGS to crack out his example for better examination and the taking of pictures by PCGS and myself, before re-slabbing the coin. John Dannreuther and myself examined the coin and discussed what we found and theories about how the coin was produced. (However, John gave me no credit when he later wrote about the coin in an article for PCGS.)
I spent a considerable amount of time both then and in later examinations of the coin trying to determine what die marriage the under-type planchet was prior to being converted into the 1827 B-2.
Given that there is absolutely no evidence remaining of the date on the coin (planchet), I was able to determine what obverse and reverse dies were involved. The original date was obliterated by star 2 & star 3, but the distance between star 7 and the head of liberty was visible and this was used to determine which die it was. On the reverse, the arrowheads and the bottom of several letters of UNITED were visible enough to be able to match this up with a reverse. (For those who do not know, the arrow heads and upper shafts were individually engraved for each die during the 1804 – 1807 time period, therefore they are all unique in configuration.)
The obverse was the 1805 Obverse 4 and the reverse was reverse C, used to strike the 1805 B-4 die marriage, but these exact dies were also used to strike the 1806/5 B-1 die marriage.
Again, due to the fact that no date is visible, we do not know which die marriage the underlying coin was. For some reason, perhaps for promotion alone, Dannreuther says it was the 1806/5 B-1. I guess that just made it a more interesting story, but I will state again, it could be the 1805 B-4 or the 1806/5 B-1, we may never know for sure.
So, in answer to the question, I believe it is either 1805 B-4 or the 1806/5 B-1, but there is no way to say it is one or the other.
On a side note: I also examined the other example free of the slab and was unable to determine what the under-type die marriage was. Andy’s example shows more of the remaining detail from the under-type than on that example.
QN
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Early United States Quarters are among the most interesting series of 18th-19th century coinage. There's different sizes, overdates, die cracks & cuds, restrikes, etc.
Back in the 1980's when I was first starting to study these pieces, I found that information was lacking and mis-information was plentiful. Honest, and accurate research, needed to be presented, and that's when I started to compile historical background for each year. I even found out new information about Joseph J. Mickley, which Dave Bowers published in a Rare Coin Review article. He also presented my research on the 1827/3/2 quarters a few years later in the same publication. Thanks to his generosity, those articles created an extended interest in the series.
Now, thanks to my friends, Steve Tompkins (Quarternut) and Rory Rea (1Bustcollector), et al (you too, Brad), there are now two wonderful reference books on early quarters for all numismatists to learn about and discover all of the ins and outs of this fascinating series.
With both of these needed books coming out within a 5 year timeframe, together, there is now enough accurate background information to last a lifetime.
Thank you my friends!
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Although we would all like to see our name in lights when a significant article or book is written I don't necessarily feel (or hope) it is always done intentionally when your name does not appear. Could it be a bit of a selfish thing? Maybe. Then again, maybe not at all. Sometimes people forget, and then sometimes people feel they have done the bulk of the material while they search out "experts in the field" to get verification on their conclusions. Should that mean having your name in credits? It all depends. I am learning that we are all called upon from time to time to help out in one way or another-for free. Knowing that my name gets credited properly used to be so very important to me and now I am happy to help out and it it a nice surprise if my name appears. Don't get me wrong, I do want to be credited but sharing is what makes the world go around a little easier. I'm sure I have forgotton to list some individuals names in our new quarter book but hopefully they understand................
Should JD have done more? Would we have done the same? I myself was thrilled to assist. I have a significant amount of emails concerning the 1827 project with him. Without his help could we have accomplished all that we did? I felt he had his conclusions and directions and I assisted the best way I could have. I am not here to complain, but to say thank you for giving me the opportunity to work with you JD. You see, I have stood on the shoulders Giants quite a bit lately...........like the last 18 years.
Karl, I want to thank you for everything you have done to assist with my special needs throughout the years. Please say hi to your significant other for me. I appreciate the kind words you wrote of us and our book!
Rory
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Yes, the 21 is cool, you might get an FA2 on that. It's fun to see them that low grade. I would for sure send in that 1835 to PCGS. You will for sure get XF. They get real tough to find higher grade and more money. Unless you want an ugly one.
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If you have one to sell...I'm a buyer!
QN
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Great Thread Billet7!
JH
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Where do we go from here? Any bust quarter collectors also collect seated?
Tom
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<< <i>Just keepin' this thread alive. >>
Thanks for posting to the thread today. I would not have seen it if you hadn't done so. I love it! I wish I had been on the forum when you started it so I could have participated.
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<< <i>Just keepin' this thread alive. >>
Thanks for posting to the thread today. I would not have seen it if you hadn't done so. I love it! I wish I had been on the forum when you started it so I could have participated. >>
What do you have? Feel free to post them now.
Tom
B2R2
B1R1
B1R2
B3R3
B5R2
B7R2
B2R2
B1R3
B1R1
Let me know if die marriages are wrong
B2R2
B4R2
B3R3
B1R1
JH
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Billet7 - I did get an 1832 from the same person that sold me the 1805. I have some of the easy ones now it is going to get a little more difficult and pricey.
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Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
<< <i>My only Bust Quarter. 1827 B-2 Original.
OMG. Ill trade you my first born....
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Seriously Andy - WOW!
JH
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I haven't, but other people (smarter than me) claim it's an 1806/5.
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<< <i>Have you figured out the underdate on the host coin yet?
I haven't, but other people (smarter than me) claim it's an 1806/5. >>
I don't think those people are any smarter than you...because they are wrong.
QN
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They can be wrong more than once and still be smarter than me! Anyway, what do you think it is and how sure are you?
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Enjoyed numismatic conversations with Eric P. Newman, Dave Akers, Jules Reiver, David Davis, Russ Logan, John McCloskey, Kirk Gorman, W. David Perkins...
Andy (Mr. Eureka) was kind enough to allow PCGS to crack out his example for better examination and the taking of pictures by PCGS and myself, before re-slabbing the coin. John Dannreuther and myself examined the coin and discussed what we found and theories about how the coin was produced. (However, John gave me no credit when he later wrote about the coin in an article for PCGS.)
I spent a considerable amount of time both then and in later examinations of the coin trying to determine what die marriage the under-type planchet was prior to being converted into the 1827 B-2.
Given that there is absolutely no evidence remaining of the date on the coin (planchet), I was able to determine what obverse and reverse dies were involved. The original date was obliterated by star 2 & star 3, but the distance between star 7 and the head of liberty was visible and this was used to determine which die it was. On the reverse, the arrowheads and the bottom of several letters of UNITED were visible enough to be able to match this up with a reverse. (For those who do not know, the arrow heads and upper shafts were individually engraved for each die during the 1804 – 1807 time period, therefore they are all unique in configuration.)
The obverse was the 1805 Obverse 4 and the reverse was reverse C, used to strike the 1805 B-4 die marriage, but these exact dies were also used to strike the 1806/5 B-1 die marriage.
Again, due to the fact that no date is visible, we do not know which die marriage the underlying coin was. For some reason, perhaps for promotion alone, Dannreuther says it was the 1806/5 B-1. I guess that just made it a more interesting story, but I will state again, it could be the 1805 B-4 or the 1806/5 B-1, we may never know for sure.
So, in answer to the question, I believe it is either 1805 B-4 or the 1806/5 B-1, but there is no way to say it is one or the other.
On a side note: I also examined the other example free of the slab and was unable to determine what the under-type die marriage was. Andy’s example shows more of the remaining detail from the under-type than on that example.
QN
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That is just plum interesting QN, thanks for sharing your comments.
That is an awesome coin Andy.
Too many positive BST transactions with too many members to list.
I would love to see an overlay......if possible.
Enjoyed numismatic conversations with Eric P. Newman, Dave Akers, Jules Reiver, David Davis, Russ Logan, John McCloskey, Kirk Gorman, W. David Perkins...
Back in the 1980's when I was first starting to study these pieces, I found that information was lacking and mis-information was plentiful. Honest, and accurate research, needed to be presented, and that's when I started to compile historical background for each year. I even found out new information about Joseph J. Mickley, which Dave Bowers published in a Rare Coin Review article. He also presented my research on the 1827/3/2 quarters a few years later in the same publication. Thanks to his generosity, those articles created an extended interest in the series.
Now, thanks to my friends, Steve Tompkins (Quarternut) and Rory Rea (1Bustcollector), et al (you too, Brad), there are now two wonderful reference books on early quarters for all numismatists to learn about and discover all of the ins and outs of this fascinating series.
With both of these needed books coming out within a 5 year timeframe, together, there is now enough accurate background information to last a lifetime.
Thank you my friends!
<< <i>Here, Here to that!
Ill second that! I was also luck enough to see and hear Quarternut speak about the bogo bust coins at the EAC this month, very informative!
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Should JD have done more? Would we have done the same? I myself was thrilled to assist. I have a significant amount of emails concerning the 1827 project with him. Without his help could we have accomplished all that we did? I felt he had his conclusions and directions and I assisted the best way I could have. I am not here to complain, but to say thank you for giving me the opportunity to work with you JD. You see, I have stood on the shoulders Giants quite a bit lately...........like the last 18 years.
Karl,
I want to thank you for everything you have done to assist with my special needs throughout the years. Please say hi to your significant other for me. I appreciate the kind words you wrote of us and our book!
Rory
Enjoyed numismatic conversations with Eric P. Newman, Dave Akers, Jules Reiver, David Davis, Russ Logan, John McCloskey, Kirk Gorman, W. David Perkins...
You people will have to help on the varity.
Here they come, and the first one is a gem..............
(Currently at PCGS for grading)
Nice strike.
<< <i>Raybo, that is a very nice solid XF 1835.
Nice strike. >>
Thanks BBA, should I send'er in for grading?
I actually like the 21.
<< <i>Only a couple of years late on this thread, but this one should be added 1836 B-5:
(Currently at PCGS for grading)
Gab I still cant believe you found her on ebay. Your find is a mega U Suck.
1820 B4
1821 B1
1822 B1
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1831 B1
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