I hate that pic. Company photographer did it. Here is a better one
To answer a few questions, the cards in the lot were EX-EX/MT with some worse. There were no gradeable cards in the lot. Yes, I would have kept the lot if it had consisted of all mint cards or if it would have been full of star cards. The fact is that the lot did not contain the condition cards that were described or any stars. It was off condition commons and the lot got the price it did because the seller didn't describe it accurately. Not a single person here would have kept the lot. If she relists it with the correct description it will get $300 tops and that's probably too much.
well he never responds to my posts so here it goes,, first question,, did you email the seller and ask any questions before bidding?,, if no ide say suck it up,,, if you were the seller and this sold, wouldnt you be the least bit afraid of someone over paying for a set that they have no knowledge of whats in the lot, selling it, sending it, then have the buyer cherry pick the lot to fill in holes in his collection. then returning it saying ooops you gave me an option to send it back sorry,, man have you no decency to just say i screwed up, if not , if you ever build a casino one day i would be your first customer. sometimes putting the shoe on the other foot works wonders,,,, j
its impossible to accuretly describe in detail a 2000 card lot. you had an out and you took it, sucks bad man. costly to seller why, because you couldnt ask a question on the lot. you may have the right to ship it back but its bad form. nuff said.
you see, I can put the shoe on the other foot because I DO sell stuff on ebay and I have impeccable feedback and on mostly high end sets which are described to a T. Of course I asked questions before the auction ended. I requested other pictures and asked what cards were in the lot. The seller replied saying there were too many cards to list and she didn't know anything about baseball cards. She put some more pics up but still didn't have any clue as to what I was looking for. Or maybe she did or had someone with her that did and just chose not to disclose the info. At any rate, her return policy was in place so I took a "gamble".
<< <i>At any rate, her return policy was in place so I took a "gamble". >>
You keep using the word GAMBLE incorrectly. Gamble insinuates that you could lose something. The way things were in place there was no way you could lose....
<< <i>At any rate, her return policy was in place so I took a "gamble". >>
You keep using the word GAMBLE incorrectly. Gamble insinuates that you could lose something. The way things were in place there was no way you could lose.... >>
if you emailed her and asked for specific cards in the lot and she refused, i'de man up and say I apologize for my post. but theres is no way a "non normal seller" of sports card can ever get the description right, never,,, you took advatage of an ebay policy that has every seller by the short and curlies,, sorry, ,,,,bj
I don't know why people are beating up on Vette here. He bought an auction that included a return policy. He exercised his right to return. End of story.
<< <i>Hey...Im just giving a definition of the word GAMBLE....that is it....I give WEBSTERS all the credit for that one. >>
Bobby is 100% correct. It's not a gamble when you have nothing to lose.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
The way I see it, corvette is within his rights to return the item, but creating threads such as this in which he details how much profit he stands to make or how much of a loss he managed to avoid will rub many the wrong way. It's business to him and he makes decisions accordingly. But he shouldn't be too surprised if some or many here will choose to not do business with him*, for reasons having nothing to do with business. IMO, many people dislike the constant references to money and profits and such, in what to them is supposed to be a fun hobby.
*I am not in this group. I have never dealt with him and would have no problem doing so.
Tommy excels when it comes to calling attention to himself....it can work both ways, but he's not ashamed.
funny thing is, for those of us who really know how he operates, his own auctions would probably rank as the most precise and well-described on eBay, and i don't just say it because i'm in the *fan club*, it's a model for us all to learn from and perhaps he just holds others to a higher standard.
again, great at tooting his own horn, but he backs it up with his actions. let's find someone who won something from this guy and had a problem with the presentation.
yea yea i get it but weather or not the seller actually knows it she avoided threads like this that has everyone in an uproar for selling this way. Granted its sellers and ebays fault, sellers for trying to keep getting good fb and ebay rules that say you must take them back but very poor taste to send back a gamble, its like them picker guys, let me buy the good stuff at low prices so i can make a killen on my end. bought for 15 or 20 bucks on a gamble at least they dont have the "i screwed up clause", if they screw up it cost them like on the marble lot that frank just bought, worthless marbles, "im going to make 500 bucks" lol,, get your own reality show and show people how to screw ebay sellers, i'll bet the majority of people get rubbed the wrong way weather he sells like a good neighbor or not,, just stirring the pot to show the obvious, i dont suck no one arse, sorry,,,, nuff said,,, bj
do the math, he paid less than .03 a piece for vintage cards, but because there isnt anything in the lot that can make him richer so eeeevvvveeeeryyyooonneee can say you are the man, the king seller,, the best of the best,, its ok, why because they said i could send them back,, come on,, anybody else think im out of line, if so i'll go back to hybernating mode, im the lowest of low money wise, i have no collection to speak of, heck man i even roll my own cigarettes to save money, 13 bucks a carton,lol,,,and i wonder if i walked by you and said hello, would you respond?,,, yea i need meds but something about the "i took a gamble" in the first post and the results of the gamble just pissed me off, now i must go kick the dog,, done venting.
i bought 5 lotto tickets the other day,, on the back of it it said, odds of winning, 1:3.756, i didnt win anything, you recon i can ship them back and get a refund?,, lol,, jeepers,,,drink the kool-aid,,,,j
<< <i>i bought 5 lotto tickets the other day,, on the back of it it said, odds of winning, 1:3.756, i didnt win anything, you recon i can ship them back and get a refund?,, lol,, jeepers,,,drink the kool-aid,,,,j >>
Hold onto them because you can write them off on your taxes if you win more than $600 within a year.
<< <i>It was a gamble because Tommy was going to try to make money on the lot by selling singles and/or sending a few for grading/ building sets, whatever.
The "gamble" didn't get that far because the listing and product turned out to be bogus. >>
Surely, you can't be serious.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
<< <i>It was a gamble because Tommy was going to try to make money on the lot by selling singles and/or sending a few for grading/ building sets, whatever.
The "gamble" didn't get that far because the listing and product turned out to be bogus. >>
<< <i>I hate that pic. Company photographer did it. Here is a better one
To answer a few questions, the cards in the lot were EX-EX/MT with some worse. There were no gradeable cards in the lot. Yes, I would have kept the lot if it had consisted of all mint cards or if it would have been full of star cards. The fact is that the lot did not contain the condition cards that were described or any stars. It was off condition commons and the lot got the price it did because the seller didn't describe it accurately. Not a single person here would have kept the lot. If she relists it with the correct description it will get $300 tops and that's probably too much. >>
Hey I recognize that calendar behind you. It's the one from PSA. Speaking of which, mine is still on the wall here at work and it's still on February 2010.
<< <i>I have seen quite a few of these types of threads. If it's a board member who is the seller then everyone wants to know who the buyer is so they can BBL them. When the board member is the buyer then everyone is in agreement that it was not as described.
Which way is it?
Bob >>
Not everyone. I still maintain that ANY lot auction would fail the criteria suggested by some. I've always believed that when you go after lots in hopes of a big score, you take your victories and lumps with equal grace.
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To those who are still criticizing Tom for sending the lot back, does it not bother you that the seller advertised the box as "unsearched" and a "collector's dream" and failed to note in the listing that the box was labeled "commons" in at least four different places?
People who don't recognize that this seller embellished the quality of the lot are either extremely dense or just looking for something to argue about and criticize.
The lot was SNAD by any reasonable standard, and the seller offered a return policy. I don't see what the problem is.
Puffing? Is it legal in real estate? No. But we all know what it is and it has to be in writing but still. If someone knowing so much purchases a pipe dream like this just say hey I got nothing to loose. Look at how this idiot list her stuff. well then. Seems like a cheap gamble. Oh well. Seems like we are all just venting. Touchy subject
I'm guessing some people don't like it when Tommy talks up all his monetary wins. However, I don't see anything wrong with what he did in this instance.
Tommy comes across as one of the more brash people on these boards, but he clearly seems to be comfortable in his own skin. If he's found a way to make money on eBay, good for him.
These money-making threads are very dull compared to past threads, however. We all miss her, Tommy, bring her back. We're tired of looking at creepy santas.
i dont give two carps if tommy makes a zillion dollars,, its the "i took a gamble" statement that eeerks me,, just because of an escape clause with ebay, sellers vs buyers , that everyone in here that i read admits is flawed. there just is no gamble just a guy who may have took a chance and failed, now everyone is looking at it as, they didnt describe it right send it back,, jeepers, you try and acuretly( i'll learn to spell that word one day) 2000 cards and not have it flawed in some way to used this failed clause at ebay. i guarentee you this if it had been loaded with 10's and stars you would be singing his praises and bowing down to the risk taker. jeeper, i lost a bundle at a casino that everyday advertises, "we have the looses slots",, lol, try and get a refund on that gamble, just keep drinking the kool-aid,, i aint buying it,,, bj
ps. i do not know any randy's,,lol,, having fun here smile
I just gambled by reading this thread. I say this thread is SNAD, I'd like Tommy to refund the 6 minutes of my life I spent reading it or I'll ding his DSR.
my 2 Cents worth (aint even sure it's worth 2 cents):
The seller screwed up on the listing (turbo lister) she probably forgot to change the turbo lister to (No refunds) as it was stated in her listing: "A GREAT PRICE ! DON'T MISS OUT, THIS IS THE ONLY COLLECTION WE HAVE ! PLEASE ASK ANY AND ALL QUESTIONS BEFORE BIDDING. SALES ARE AS-IS AND FINAL. MY FEEDBACK AND EBAY REPUTATION IS EXCELLENT ! S/H IS $ 19.95 FOR USPS MAIL WITHIN THE USA. WE WILL SUPPLY TRACKING NUMBER "
with this statement myself I wouldn't have bid on the lot without asking questions, but Tommy chose to bid (without asking questions) having dealt with this seller before and had hit a winner before.
As far as description this is an interpretation. "Rare" to her seeing that many 39+ year old cards, yes not everyone has a box of these in their closet. Card condition mint to very good, how many times have we seen a PSA 6 jump to PSA 8 or vice versa an opinion so her opinion was wow for being 39 to 43 yrs old VG to mint, yes I will give her this statement as being true in her mind. (interpretation)
" I AM NOT A BASEBALL CARD EXPERT, BUT WOULD EXPECT THAT THERE ARE MANY GREAT AND RARE BASEBALL CARDS AND ROOKIE CARDS IN THIS LOT." key words not an expert & would expect, Not guaranteeing . as far as common being written on the end of the box and then being blacked out, this could have been done by someone years ago as I doubt this TRS seller did this with a 5.0,4.9 4.9 5.0 detailed seller rating.
Many famous names: to her famous is Clemente HOFer, Torre (future HOFer), tug McGraw ect ect, once again an interpretation. rookies to her is probably the little ROY cup on the card or the 2 player card that says rookie stars. Mark Lewis, Kevin Grevey, Joe Nuxhall are all considered great/famous/stars to people in my hometown.
myself I don't consider a 52 topps Mantle as being a rare card, yes it is an expensive card, high demand, but double printed, rare to me is 5 to 100 known, now that is rare and even then if there is no demand, rare yes valuable No. see some of Topps 1 of 1 cards (rare yes valuable No).
Point: I don't see anything the seller did as being wrong or deceptive, would I bid on a lot like this (without asking questions) maybe but only 5 cents a card. which means I wouldn't have won.
as far as this being a gamble? No not when you know the ebay rules & tricks, you can buy anything and return it for just about any reason you can think of. this sucks because it is basically saying to the buyer hey you get 1 to 40 days to approve of this or try to sell it and make money or just return it and lose the shipping costs and I believe there is even a loophole there were if worded right the seller has to pay shipping both ways.
I guess my point is: Tommy should keep the lot and eat the loss, he gambled before and won and made money off this seller and has gambled with other sellers (FB lot) and won and made money. This time he gambled and lost, but with the seller forgetting to change the 7 day refund in the turbo lister, yes send the lot back and get a refund and only lose 20 in shipping. Even if the seller had changed it to no returns, you could still demand and get a refund (see paragraph above ).
If I were the seller I would block the buyer from ever bidding on any future auctions. reason everything was spelled out and basically you were buying a blind lot of cards/grab bag (gambling). But if it would have had 3 to 5 Fisk rookies,a couple 68-72 Ryans and some other misc no name superstars (Mantle,Rose, Reggie Jackson & some 71 topps commons all PSA 9 or 10) well it would be bragging time on how much you ripped off the uninformed stupid seller and can't wait till they have another lot of sports cards.(maybe a 52 topps lot with some no name famous people (Joe Nuxhall rc, Eddie Mathews, and some double print near mint high# commons)
Tommy: I hope you give the seller glowing feedback & 5 stars across the board after you receive your refund.
Did the seller do anything wrong ? No, but in the future needs to learn more about sportscards, seller looks like they take a lot of consignments so hard to learn everything about everything. being a consignment seller has to be a super tough job especially on ebay were you are trying to describe something you know very little or nothing about and where you can't be face to face with the buyer.
Did Tommy do anything wrong ? no, not really since the seller forgot and left that 7 day return privilege, and everyone wants to make money on everything they buy, even the hard core holier than thou collector ("I just collect cards and value doesn't mean nothing to me") I say BS.
Once again this is my interpretation and open to your interpretation (agreeing with me, flaming me, or calling me other names).
diamondman, your post makes sense and I understand your position. However, Tommy asked questions prior to bidding and the seller was basically unresponsive, according to his post from earlier today.
Tommy>>>
<< <i>you see, I can put the shoe on the other foot because I DO sell stuff on ebay and I have impeccable feedback and on mostly high end sets which are described to a T. Of course I asked questions before the auction ended. I requested other pictures and asked what cards were in the lot. The seller replied saying there were too many cards to list and she didn't know anything about baseball cards. She put some more pics up but still didn't have any clue as to what I was looking for. Or maybe she did or had someone with her that did and just chose not to disclose the info. At any rate, her return policy was in place so I took a "gamble". >>
The seller screwed up on the listing (turbo lister) she probably forgot to change the turbo lister to (No refunds) as it was stated in her listing: "A GREAT PRICE ! DON'T MISS OUT, THIS IS THE ONLY COLLECTION WE HAVE ! PLEASE ASK ANY AND ALL QUESTIONS BEFORE BIDDING. SALES ARE AS-IS AND FINAL. MY FEEDBACK AND EBAY REPUTATION IS EXCELLENT ! S/H IS $ 19.95 FOR USPS MAIL WITHIN THE USA. WE WILL SUPPLY TRACKING NUMBER "
with this statement myself I wouldn't have bid on the lot without asking questions, but Tommy chose to bid (without asking questions) having dealt with this seller before and had hit a winner before.
As far as description this is an interpretation. "Rare" to her seeing that many 39+ year old cards, yes not everyone has a box of these in their closet. Card condition mint to very good, how many times have we seen a PSA 6 jump to PSA 8 or vice versa an opinion so her opinion was wow for being 39 to 43 yrs old VG to mint, yes I will give her this statement as being true in her mind. (interpretation)
" I AM NOT A BASEBALL CARD EXPERT, BUT WOULD EXPECT THAT THERE ARE MANY GREAT AND RARE BASEBALL CARDS AND ROOKIE CARDS IN THIS LOT." key words not an expert & would expect, Not guaranteeing . as far as common being written on the end of the box and then being blacked out, this could have been done by someone years ago as I doubt this TRS seller did this with a 5.0,4.9 4.9 5.0 detailed seller rating.
Many famous names: to her famous is Clemente HOFer, Torre (future HOFer), tug McGraw ect ect, once again an interpretation. rookies to her is probably the little ROY cup on the card or the 2 player card that says rookie stars. Mark Lewis, Kevin Grevey, Joe Nuxhall are all considered great/famous/stars to people in my hometown.
myself I don't consider a 52 topps Mantle as being a rare card, yes it is an expensive card, high demand, but double printed, rare to me is 5 to 100 known, now that is rare and even then if there is no demand, rare yes valuable No. see some of Topps 1 of 1 cards (rare yes valuable No).
Point: I don't see anything the seller did as being wrong or deceptive, would I bid on a lot like this (without asking questions) maybe but only 5 cents a card. which means I wouldn't have won.
as far as this being a gamble? No not when you know the ebay rules & tricks, you can buy anything and return it for just about any reason you can think of. this sucks because it is basically saying to the buyer hey you get 1 to 40 days to approve of this or try to sell it and make money or just return it and lose the shipping costs and I believe there is even a loophole there were if worded right the seller has to pay shipping both ways.
I guess my point is: Tommy should keep the lot and eat the loss, he gambled before and won and made money off this seller and has gambled with other sellers (FB lot) and won and made money. This time he gambled and lost, but with the seller forgetting to change the 7 day refund in the turbo lister, yes send the lot back and get a refund and only lose 20 in shipping. Even if the seller had changed it to no returns, you could still demand and get a refund (see paragraph above ).
If I were the seller I would block the buyer from ever bidding on any future auctions. reason everything was spelled out and basically you were buying a blind lot of cards/grab bag (gambling). But if it would have had 3 to 5 Fisk rookies,a couple 68-72 Ryans and some other misc no name superstars (Mantle,Rose, Reggie Jackson & some 71 topps commons all PSA 9 or 10) well it would be bragging time on how much you ripped off the uninformed stupid seller and can't wait till they have another lot of sports cards.(maybe a 52 topps lot with some no name famous people (Joe Nuxhall rc, Eddie Mathews, and some double print near mint high# commons)
Tommy: I hope you give the seller glowing feedback & 5 stars across the board after you receive your refund.
Did the seller do anything wrong ? No, but in the future needs to learn more about sportscards, seller looks like they take a lot of consignments so hard to learn everything about everything. being a consignment seller has to be a super tough job especially on ebay were you are trying to describe something you know very little or nothing about and where you can't be face to face with the buyer.
Did Tommy do anything wrong ? no, not really since the seller forgot and left that 7 day return privilege, and everyone wants to make money on everything they buy, even the hard core holier than thou collector ("I just collect cards and value doesn't mean nothing to me") I say BS.
Once again this is my interpretation and open to your interpretation (agreeing with me, flaming me, or calling me other names). >>
The seller screwed up on the listing (turbo lister) she probably forgot to change the turbo lister to (No refunds) as it was stated in her listing: "A GREAT PRICE ! DON'T MISS OUT, THIS IS THE ONLY COLLECTION WE HAVE ! PLEASE ASK ANY AND ALL QUESTIONS BEFORE BIDDING. SALES ARE AS-IS AND FINAL. MY FEEDBACK AND EBAY REPUTATION IS EXCELLENT ! S/H IS $ 19.95 FOR USPS MAIL WITHIN THE USA. WE WILL SUPPLY TRACKING NUMBER "
with this statement myself I wouldn't have bid on the lot without asking questions, but Tommy chose to bid (without asking questions) having dealt with this seller before and had hit a winner before.
As far as description this is an interpretation. "Rare" to her seeing that many 39+ year old cards, yes not everyone has a box of these in their closet. Card condition mint to very good, how many times have we seen a PSA 6 jump to PSA 8 or vice versa an opinion so her opinion was wow for being 39 to 43 yrs old VG to mint, yes I will give her this statement as being true in her mind. (interpretation)
" I AM NOT A BASEBALL CARD EXPERT, BUT WOULD EXPECT THAT THERE ARE MANY GREAT AND RARE BASEBALL CARDS AND ROOKIE CARDS IN THIS LOT." key words not an expert & would expect, Not guaranteeing . as far as common being written on the end of the box and then being blacked out, this could have been done by someone years ago as I doubt this TRS seller did this with a 5.0,4.9 4.9 5.0 detailed seller rating.
Many famous names: to her famous is Clemente HOFer, Torre (future HOFer), tug McGraw ect ect, once again an interpretation. rookies to her is probably the little ROY cup on the card or the 2 player card that says rookie stars. Mark Lewis, Kevin Grevey, Joe Nuxhall are all considered great/famous/stars to people in my hometown.
myself I don't consider a 52 topps Mantle as being a rare card, yes it is an expensive card, high demand, but double printed, rare to me is 5 to 100 known, now that is rare and even then if there is no demand, rare yes valuable No. see some of Topps 1 of 1 cards (rare yes valuable No).
Point: I don't see anything the seller did as being wrong or deceptive, would I bid on a lot like this (without asking questions) maybe but only 5 cents a card. which means I wouldn't have won.
as far as this being a gamble? No not when you know the ebay rules & tricks, you can buy anything and return it for just about any reason you can think of. this sucks because it is basically saying to the buyer hey you get 1 to 40 days to approve of this or try to sell it and make money or just return it and lose the shipping costs and I believe there is even a loophole there were if worded right the seller has to pay shipping both ways.
I guess my point is: Tommy should keep the lot and eat the loss, he gambled before and won and made money off this seller and has gambled with other sellers (FB lot) and won and made money. This time he gambled and lost, but with the seller forgetting to change the 7 day refund in the turbo lister, yes send the lot back and get a refund and only lose 20 in shipping. Even if the seller had changed it to no returns, you could still demand and get a refund (see paragraph above ).
If I were the seller I would block the buyer from ever bidding on any future auctions. reason everything was spelled out and basically you were buying a blind lot of cards/grab bag (gambling). But if it would have had 3 to 5 Fisk rookies,a couple 68-72 Ryans and some other misc no name superstars (Mantle,Rose, Reggie Jackson & some 71 topps commons all PSA 9 or 10) well it would be bragging time on how much you ripped off the uninformed stupid seller and can't wait till they have another lot of sports cards.(maybe a 52 topps lot with some no name famous people (Joe Nuxhall rc, Eddie Mathews, and some double print near mint high# commons)
Tommy: I hope you give the seller glowing feedback & 5 stars across the board after you receive your refund.
Did the seller do anything wrong ? No, but in the future needs to learn more about sportscards, seller looks like they take a lot of consignments so hard to learn everything about everything. being a consignment seller has to be a super tough job especially on ebay were you are trying to describe something you know very little or nothing about and where you can't be face to face with the buyer.
Did Tommy do anything wrong ? no, not really since the seller forgot and left that 7 day return privilege, and everyone wants to make money on everything they buy, even the hard core holier than thou collector ("I just collect cards and value doesn't mean nothing to me") I say BS.
Once again this is my interpretation and open to your interpretation (agreeing with me, flaming me, or calling me other names). >>
<< <i>diamondman, your post makes sense and I understand your position. However, Tommy asked questions prior to bidding and the seller was basically unresponsive, according to his post from earlier today.
Tommy>>>
<< <i>you see, I can put the shoe on the other foot because I DO sell stuff on ebay and I have impeccable feedback and on mostly high end sets which are described to a T. Of course I asked questions before the auction ended. I requested other pictures and asked what cards were in the lot. The seller replied saying there were too many cards to list and she didn't know anything about baseball cards. She put some more pics up but still didn't have any clue as to what I was looking for. Or maybe she did or had someone with her that did and just chose not to disclose the info. At any rate, her return policy was in place so I took a "gamble". >>
>>
Well I missed that post about Tommy asking questions, and by asking what cards were in the lot and not knowing the specific question asked it is hard for me to comment on this, but if any seller is unresponsive to my questions, I just cancel my bid . I know if I would have asked a question it would have been something like Hi my favorite players are Johnny Bench, Nolan Ryan, Pete Rose, Reggie Jackson , Carlton Fisk, Bob Clemente and Steve Garvey, could you please tell me how many of each one these players are in this lot or I am trying to finish off my 1972 topps set and need card numbers (49,79,299,300,309,310,559,560 & 595). as stated before Tommy had bought a BB lot off of this seller before and the seller not knowing anything about cards it is hard for a seller to answer a general question and sometimes even a specific question.
Example: I know nothing about soccer cards except for some guy named Pele being the greatest. so if I had a lot of soccer cards to sell as a lot, I would need a specific card number or a specific name to help me answer a buyers question especially if it was 2000 card lot.
I remember a customer wanting a Billy Cunningham Rookie, I show him a 1969 Topps Cunningham, he goes off calling me a liar saying that can't be his rookie card because Cunningham played in the NBA since 1965 and wants a 1965 card, it took me about 10 to 15 minutes to finally convince him and show him in the Beckett that 1969 was considered his rookie card because no one made basketball cards in 1965. LOL or trying to convince someone that the 52 Topps Mantle isn't really his rookie card.
Don't get me wrong I like Tommy and would not hesitate to do business with him and I am glad the seller is refunding his money, I just thought it was funny from his first post:
"I keep waiting on one of these to burn me, but if you've got a good horse you run it. Another seller that knows nothing about sportscards. I bought a couple of vintage football lots from her over a year ago and it was filled with stars. We'll see. This is cheaper than buying vintage unopened and gambling, lol. "
well this is one that would have burned you (because the actual owner not the seller fixed the good horse before the race even started), if it wasn't for the seller not changing the turbo lister to No refunds instead of a 7 day return privilege, of course with ebay a No return policy is a joke and can be circumvented with just about any excuse. jmho
When you are buying something from a seller where you do not suspect they know what they have. You must bid with caution and the final sale price generally is lower becuase of the added risk.
If you are buying a lot off EBAY in this manner, you bid and now you own it in my opinion. Unless there is some blatent fraud a buyer takes a chance on raw cards and lots.
Be glad the seller refunded and EBAY has buyer friendly rules.
In the real world you went to the casino and lost. We need to get back to where there are consequences or we are in real trouble.
I'm guessing some people don't like it when Tommy talks up all his monetary wins. However, I don't see anything wrong with what he did in this instance.
Tommy comes across as one of the more brash people on these boards, but he clearly seems to be comfortable in his own skin. If he's found a way to make money on eBay, good for him.
These money-making threads are very dull compared to past threads, however. We all miss her, Tommy, bring her back. We're tired of looking at creepy santas. >>
for the record, they're sketchy santas. Perhaps you'd prefer some more PMed moobage?
I just lost $6500 last weekend at the Horseshoe in Indiana playing drunk blackjack when I went to the Derby City Classic Pool Tournament. I didn't ask for nor get a refund.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
Hey Tommy....I used to play pool/hang around pool halls along time ago.....who happened to win that tournament? >>
Dennis Orcullo won the 9-ball, Shane Van Boening won the One-Pocket and All Around, and Alex Pagulayan won the Banks. Dave "Viffer" Peat, the poker player, was in heavy action for the whole 2 weeks. He played a ton of champions getting huge spots in one-pocket for $25,000-$50,000 sets. I was in the commentary booth with former pool players turned poker pros, Nick Shulman and John Hennigan, while he was playing Corey Deuel.
I play golf every so often with Corey and had part of his bet.
<< <i> I play golf every so often with Corey and had part of his bet. >>
I had Stevie Moore one time in a Calcutta in a bar table tournament down in SC. Stevie Moore is one of the best, if not THE BEST bar table player in the US. It got down to the finals. Corey Duell beat him like a red headed step child.
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To answer a few questions, the cards in the lot were EX-EX/MT with some worse. There were no gradeable cards in the lot. Yes, I would have kept the lot if it had consisted of all mint cards or if it would have been full of star cards. The fact is that the lot did not contain the condition cards that were described or any stars. It was off condition commons and the lot got the price it did because the seller didn't describe it accurately. Not a single person here would have kept the lot. If she relists it with the correct description it will get $300 tops and that's probably too much.
its impossible to accuretly describe in detail a 2000 card lot. you had an out and you took it, sucks bad man. costly to seller why, because you couldnt ask a question on the lot. you may have the right to ship it back but its bad form. nuff said.
<< <i>I think they both suck.
lol, thanks Steve.
<< <i>you need to get some sun.
that one was taken recently. Hard to get sun when it's 20 degrees outside and you work all the time.
<< <i>At any rate, her return policy was in place so I took a "gamble". >>
You keep using the word GAMBLE incorrectly. Gamble insinuates that you could lose something. The way things were in place there was no way you could lose....
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<< <i>At any rate, her return policy was in place so I took a "gamble". >>
You keep using the word GAMBLE incorrectly. Gamble insinuates that you could lose something. The way things were in place there was no way you could lose.... >>
For once, bobby is right.
Bobby 1
You 0
<< <i>Hey...Im just giving a definition of the word GAMBLE....that is it....I give WEBSTERS all the credit for that one. >>
Bobby is 100% correct. It's not a gamble when you have nothing to lose.
*I am not in this group. I have never dealt with him and would have no problem doing so.
funny thing is, for those of us who really know how he operates, his own auctions would probably rank as the most precise and well-described on eBay, and i don't just say it because i'm in the *fan club*, it's a model for us all to learn from and perhaps he just holds others to a higher standard.
again, great at tooting his own horn, but he backs it up with his actions. let's find someone who won something from this guy and had a problem with the presentation.
do the math, he paid less than .03 a piece for vintage cards, but because there isnt anything in the lot that can make him richer so eeeevvvveeeeryyyooonneee can say you are the man, the king seller,, the best of the best,, its ok, why because they said i could send them back,, come on,, anybody else think im out of line, if so i'll go back to hybernating mode, im the lowest of low money wise, i have no collection to speak of, heck man i even roll my own cigarettes to save money, 13 bucks a carton,lol,,,and i wonder if i walked by you and said hello, would you respond?,,, yea i need meds but something about the "i took a gamble" in the first post and the results of the gamble just pissed me off, now i must go kick the dog,, done venting.
The "gamble" didn't get that far because the listing and product turned out to be bogus.
Plus, Tommy, did you have to pay for return shipping out of pocket? If so, is this money lost?
<< <i>i bought 5 lotto tickets the other day,, on the back of it it said, odds of winning, 1:3.756, i didnt win anything, you recon i can ship them back and get a refund?,, lol,, jeepers,,,drink the kool-aid,,,,j >>
Hold onto them because you can write them off on your taxes if you win more than $600 within a year.
<< <i>It was a gamble because Tommy was going to try to make money on the lot by selling singles and/or sending a few for grading/ building sets, whatever.
The "gamble" didn't get that far because the listing and product turned out to be bogus. >>
Surely, you can't be serious.
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<< <i>It was a gamble because Tommy was going to try to make money on the lot by selling singles and/or sending a few for grading/ building sets, whatever.
The "gamble" didn't get that far because the listing and product turned out to be bogus. >>
Surely, you can't be serious. >>
<< <i>Surely, you can't be serious. >>
I am serious… and don’t call me Shirley.
"The Packers are kinda like your kids. You dont love them because they are good, you love them because they are yours"
<< <i>I hate that pic. Company photographer did it. Here is a better one
To answer a few questions, the cards in the lot were EX-EX/MT with some worse. There were no gradeable cards in the lot. Yes, I would have kept the lot if it had consisted of all mint cards or if it would have been full of star cards. The fact is that the lot did not contain the condition cards that were described or any stars. It was off condition commons and the lot got the price it did because the seller didn't describe it accurately. Not a single person here would have kept the lot. If she relists it with the correct description it will get $300 tops and that's probably too much. >>
Hey I recognize that calendar behind you. It's the one from PSA. Speaking of which, mine is still on the wall here at work and it's still on February 2010.
http://www.unisquare.com/store/brick/
Ralph
<< <i>I have seen quite a few of these types of threads. If it's a board member who is the seller then everyone wants to know who the buyer is so they can BBL them. When the board member is the buyer then everyone is in agreement that it was not as described.
Which way is it?
Bob >>
Not everyone. I still maintain that ANY lot auction would fail the criteria suggested by some. I've always believed that when you go after lots in hopes of a big score, you take your victories and lumps with equal grace.
Working on the following: 1970 Baseball PSA, 1970-1976 Raw, World Series Subsets PSA, 1969 Expansion Teams PSA, Fleer World Series Sets, Texas Rangers Topps Run 1972-1989
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People who don't recognize that this seller embellished the quality of the lot are either extremely dense or just looking for something to argue about and criticize.
The lot was SNAD by any reasonable standard, and the seller offered a return policy. I don't see what the problem is.
But we all know what it is and it has to be in writing but still. If someone knowing so much purchases a pipe dream like this just say hey I got nothing to loose. Look at how this idiot list her stuff. well then. Seems like a cheap gamble. Oh well. Seems like we are all just venting. Touchy subject
<< <i>I don't see what the problem is. >>
I'm guessing some people don't like it when Tommy talks up all his monetary wins. However, I don't see anything wrong with what he did in this instance.
Tommy comes across as one of the more brash people on these boards, but he clearly seems to be comfortable in his own skin. If he's found a way to make money on eBay, good for him.
These money-making threads are very dull compared to past threads, however. We all miss her, Tommy, bring her back. We're tired of looking at creepy santas.
ps. i do not know any randy's,,lol,, having fun here smile
The seller screwed up on the listing (turbo lister) she probably forgot to change the turbo lister to (No refunds)
as it was stated in her listing:
"A GREAT PRICE ! DON'T MISS OUT, THIS IS THE ONLY COLLECTION WE HAVE !
PLEASE ASK ANY AND ALL QUESTIONS BEFORE BIDDING. SALES ARE AS-IS AND FINAL. MY FEEDBACK AND EBAY REPUTATION IS EXCELLENT ! S/H IS $ 19.95 FOR USPS MAIL WITHIN THE USA. WE WILL SUPPLY TRACKING NUMBER "
with this statement myself I wouldn't have bid on the lot without asking questions, but Tommy chose to bid (without asking questions) having dealt with this seller before and had hit a winner before.
As far as description this is an interpretation. "Rare" to her seeing that many 39+ year old cards, yes not everyone has a box of these in their closet.
Card condition mint to very good, how many times have we seen a PSA 6 jump to PSA 8 or vice versa an opinion so her opinion was wow for being 39 to 43 yrs old VG to mint, yes I will give her this statement as being true in her mind. (interpretation)
" I AM NOT A BASEBALL CARD EXPERT, BUT WOULD EXPECT THAT THERE ARE MANY GREAT AND RARE BASEBALL CARDS AND ROOKIE CARDS IN THIS LOT." key words not an expert & would expect, Not guaranteeing . as far as common being written on the end of the box and then being blacked out, this could have been done by someone years ago as I doubt this TRS seller did this with a 5.0,4.9 4.9 5.0 detailed seller rating.
Many famous names: to her famous is Clemente HOFer, Torre (future HOFer), tug McGraw ect ect, once again an interpretation.
rookies to her is probably the little ROY cup on the card or the 2 player card that says rookie stars. Mark Lewis, Kevin Grevey, Joe Nuxhall are all considered great/famous/stars to people in my hometown.
myself I don't consider a 52 topps Mantle as being a rare card, yes it is an expensive card, high demand, but double printed, rare to me is 5 to 100 known, now that is rare and even then if there is no demand, rare yes valuable No. see some of Topps 1 of 1 cards (rare yes valuable No).
Point: I don't see anything the seller did as being wrong or deceptive, would I bid on a lot like this (without asking questions) maybe but only 5 cents a card. which means I wouldn't have won.
as far as this being a gamble? No not when you know the ebay rules & tricks, you can buy anything and return it for just about any reason you can think of. this sucks because it is basically saying to the buyer hey you get 1 to 40 days to approve of this or try to sell it and make money or just return it and lose the shipping costs and I believe there is even a loophole there were if worded right the seller has to pay shipping both ways.
I guess my point is: Tommy should keep the lot and eat the loss, he gambled before and won and made money off this seller and has gambled with other sellers (FB lot) and won and made money. This time he gambled and lost, but with the seller forgetting to change the 7 day refund in the turbo lister, yes send the lot back and get a refund and only lose 20 in shipping. Even if the seller had changed it to no returns, you could still demand and get a refund (see paragraph above ).
If I were the seller I would block the buyer from ever bidding on any future auctions. reason everything was spelled out and basically you were buying a blind lot of cards/grab bag (gambling). But if it would have had 3 to 5 Fisk rookies,a couple 68-72 Ryans and some other misc no name superstars (Mantle,Rose, Reggie Jackson & some 71 topps commons all PSA 9 or 10) well it would be bragging time on how much you ripped off the uninformed stupid seller and can't wait till they have another lot of sports cards.(maybe a 52 topps lot with some no name famous people (Joe Nuxhall rc, Eddie Mathews, and some double print near mint high# commons)
Tommy: I hope you give the seller glowing feedback & 5 stars across the board after you receive your refund.
Did the seller do anything wrong ? No, but in the future needs to learn more about sportscards, seller looks like they take a lot of consignments so hard to learn everything about everything. being a consignment seller has to be a super tough job especially on ebay were you are trying to describe something you know very little or nothing about and where you can't be face to face with the buyer.
Did Tommy do anything wrong ? no, not really since the seller forgot and left that 7 day return privilege, and everyone wants to make money on everything they buy, even the hard core holier than thou collector ("I just collect cards and value doesn't mean nothing to me") I say BS.
Once again this is my interpretation and open to your interpretation (agreeing with me, flaming me, or calling me other names).
Tommy>>>
<< <i>you see, I can put the shoe on the other foot because I DO sell stuff on ebay and I have impeccable feedback and on mostly high end sets which are described to a T. Of course I asked questions before the auction ended. I requested other pictures and asked what cards were in the lot. The seller replied saying there were too many cards to list and she didn't know anything about baseball cards. She put some more pics up but still didn't have any clue as to what I was looking for. Or maybe she did or had someone with her that did and just chose not to disclose the info. At any rate, her return policy was in place so I took a "gamble". >>
<< <i>my 2 Cents worth (aint even sure it's worth 2 cents):
The seller screwed up on the listing (turbo lister) she probably forgot to change the turbo lister to (No refunds)
as it was stated in her listing:
"A GREAT PRICE ! DON'T MISS OUT, THIS IS THE ONLY COLLECTION WE HAVE !
PLEASE ASK ANY AND ALL QUESTIONS BEFORE BIDDING. SALES ARE AS-IS AND FINAL. MY FEEDBACK AND EBAY REPUTATION IS EXCELLENT ! S/H IS $ 19.95 FOR USPS MAIL WITHIN THE USA. WE WILL SUPPLY TRACKING NUMBER "
with this statement myself I wouldn't have bid on the lot without asking questions, but Tommy chose to bid (without asking questions) having dealt with this seller before and had hit a winner before.
As far as description this is an interpretation. "Rare" to her seeing that many 39+ year old cards, yes not everyone has a box of these in their closet.
Card condition mint to very good, how many times have we seen a PSA 6 jump to PSA 8 or vice versa an opinion so her opinion was wow for being 39 to 43 yrs old VG to mint, yes I will give her this statement as being true in her mind. (interpretation)
" I AM NOT A BASEBALL CARD EXPERT, BUT WOULD EXPECT THAT THERE ARE MANY GREAT AND RARE BASEBALL CARDS AND ROOKIE CARDS IN THIS LOT." key words not an expert & would expect, Not guaranteeing . as far as common being written on the end of the box and then being blacked out, this could have been done by someone years ago as I doubt this TRS seller did this with a 5.0,4.9 4.9 5.0 detailed seller rating.
Many famous names: to her famous is Clemente HOFer, Torre (future HOFer), tug McGraw ect ect, once again an interpretation.
rookies to her is probably the little ROY cup on the card or the 2 player card that says rookie stars. Mark Lewis, Kevin Grevey, Joe Nuxhall are all considered great/famous/stars to people in my hometown.
myself I don't consider a 52 topps Mantle as being a rare card, yes it is an expensive card, high demand, but double printed, rare to me is 5 to 100 known, now that is rare and even then if there is no demand, rare yes valuable No. see some of Topps 1 of 1 cards (rare yes valuable No).
Point: I don't see anything the seller did as being wrong or deceptive, would I bid on a lot like this (without asking questions) maybe but only 5 cents a card. which means I wouldn't have won.
as far as this being a gamble? No not when you know the ebay rules & tricks, you can buy anything and return it for just about any reason you can think of. this sucks because it is basically saying to the buyer hey you get 1 to 40 days to approve of this or try to sell it and make money or just return it and lose the shipping costs and I believe there is even a loophole there were if worded right the seller has to pay shipping both ways.
I guess my point is: Tommy should keep the lot and eat the loss, he gambled before and won and made money off this seller and has gambled with other sellers (FB lot) and won and made money. This time he gambled and lost, but with the seller forgetting to change the 7 day refund in the turbo lister, yes send the lot back and get a refund and only lose 20 in shipping. Even if the seller had changed it to no returns, you could still demand and get a refund (see paragraph above ).
If I were the seller I would block the buyer from ever bidding on any future auctions. reason everything was spelled out and basically you were buying a blind lot of cards/grab bag (gambling). But if it would have had 3 to 5 Fisk rookies,a couple 68-72 Ryans and some other misc no name superstars (Mantle,Rose, Reggie Jackson & some 71 topps commons all PSA 9 or 10) well it would be bragging time on how much you ripped off the uninformed stupid seller and can't wait till they have another lot of sports cards.(maybe a 52 topps lot with some no name famous people (Joe Nuxhall rc, Eddie Mathews, and some double print near mint high# commons)
Tommy: I hope you give the seller glowing feedback & 5 stars across the board after you receive your refund.
Did the seller do anything wrong ? No, but in the future needs to learn more about sportscards, seller looks like they take a lot of consignments so hard to learn everything about everything. being a consignment seller has to be a super tough job especially on ebay were you are trying to describe something you know very little or nothing about and where you can't be face to face with the buyer.
Did Tommy do anything wrong ? no, not really since the seller forgot and left that 7 day return privilege, and everyone wants to make money on everything they buy, even the hard core holier than thou collector ("I just collect cards and value doesn't mean nothing to me") I say BS.
Once again this is my interpretation and open to your interpretation (agreeing with me, flaming me, or calling me other names). >>
<< <i>my 2 Cents worth (aint even sure it's worth 2 cents):
The seller screwed up on the listing (turbo lister) she probably forgot to change the turbo lister to (No refunds)
as it was stated in her listing:
"A GREAT PRICE ! DON'T MISS OUT, THIS IS THE ONLY COLLECTION WE HAVE !
PLEASE ASK ANY AND ALL QUESTIONS BEFORE BIDDING. SALES ARE AS-IS AND FINAL. MY FEEDBACK AND EBAY REPUTATION IS EXCELLENT ! S/H IS $ 19.95 FOR USPS MAIL WITHIN THE USA. WE WILL SUPPLY TRACKING NUMBER "
with this statement myself I wouldn't have bid on the lot without asking questions, but Tommy chose to bid (without asking questions) having dealt with this seller before and had hit a winner before.
As far as description this is an interpretation. "Rare" to her seeing that many 39+ year old cards, yes not everyone has a box of these in their closet.
Card condition mint to very good, how many times have we seen a PSA 6 jump to PSA 8 or vice versa an opinion so her opinion was wow for being 39 to 43 yrs old VG to mint, yes I will give her this statement as being true in her mind. (interpretation)
" I AM NOT A BASEBALL CARD EXPERT, BUT WOULD EXPECT THAT THERE ARE MANY GREAT AND RARE BASEBALL CARDS AND ROOKIE CARDS IN THIS LOT." key words not an expert & would expect, Not guaranteeing . as far as common being written on the end of the box and then being blacked out, this could have been done by someone years ago as I doubt this TRS seller did this with a 5.0,4.9 4.9 5.0 detailed seller rating.
Many famous names: to her famous is Clemente HOFer, Torre (future HOFer), tug McGraw ect ect, once again an interpretation.
rookies to her is probably the little ROY cup on the card or the 2 player card that says rookie stars. Mark Lewis, Kevin Grevey, Joe Nuxhall are all considered great/famous/stars to people in my hometown.
myself I don't consider a 52 topps Mantle as being a rare card, yes it is an expensive card, high demand, but double printed, rare to me is 5 to 100 known, now that is rare and even then if there is no demand, rare yes valuable No. see some of Topps 1 of 1 cards (rare yes valuable No).
Point: I don't see anything the seller did as being wrong or deceptive, would I bid on a lot like this (without asking questions) maybe but only 5 cents a card. which means I wouldn't have won.
as far as this being a gamble? No not when you know the ebay rules & tricks, you can buy anything and return it for just about any reason you can think of. this sucks because it is basically saying to the buyer hey you get 1 to 40 days to approve of this or try to sell it and make money or just return it and lose the shipping costs and I believe there is even a loophole there were if worded right the seller has to pay shipping both ways.
I guess my point is: Tommy should keep the lot and eat the loss, he gambled before and won and made money off this seller and has gambled with other sellers (FB lot) and won and made money. This time he gambled and lost, but with the seller forgetting to change the 7 day refund in the turbo lister, yes send the lot back and get a refund and only lose 20 in shipping. Even if the seller had changed it to no returns, you could still demand and get a refund (see paragraph above ).
If I were the seller I would block the buyer from ever bidding on any future auctions. reason everything was spelled out and basically you were buying a blind lot of cards/grab bag (gambling). But if it would have had 3 to 5 Fisk rookies,a couple 68-72 Ryans and some other misc no name superstars (Mantle,Rose, Reggie Jackson & some 71 topps commons all PSA 9 or 10) well it would be bragging time on how much you ripped off the uninformed stupid seller and can't wait till they have another lot of sports cards.(maybe a 52 topps lot with some no name famous people (Joe Nuxhall rc, Eddie Mathews, and some double print near mint high# commons)
Tommy: I hope you give the seller glowing feedback & 5 stars across the board after you receive your refund.
Did the seller do anything wrong ? No, but in the future needs to learn more about sportscards, seller looks like they take a lot of consignments so hard to learn everything about everything. being a consignment seller has to be a super tough job especially on ebay were you are trying to describe something you know very little or nothing about and where you can't be face to face with the buyer.
Did Tommy do anything wrong ? no, not really since the seller forgot and left that 7 day return privilege, and everyone wants to make money on everything they buy, even the hard core holier than thou collector ("I just collect cards and value doesn't mean nothing to me") I say BS.
Once again this is my interpretation and open to your interpretation (agreeing with me, flaming me, or calling me other names). >>
Extremely well said!
<< <i>diamondman, your post makes sense and I understand your position. However, Tommy asked questions prior to bidding and the seller was basically unresponsive, according to his post from earlier today.
Tommy>>>
<< <i>you see, I can put the shoe on the other foot because I DO sell stuff on ebay and I have impeccable feedback and on mostly high end sets which are described to a T. Of course I asked questions before the auction ended. I requested other pictures and asked what cards were in the lot. The seller replied saying there were too many cards to list and she didn't know anything about baseball cards. She put some more pics up but still didn't have any clue as to what I was looking for. Or maybe she did or had someone with her that did and just chose not to disclose the info. At any rate, her return policy was in place so I took a "gamble". >>
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Well I missed that post about Tommy asking questions, and by asking what cards were in the lot and not knowing the specific question asked it is hard for me to comment on this, but if any seller is unresponsive to my questions, I just cancel my bid . I know if I would have asked a question it would have been something like Hi my favorite players are Johnny Bench, Nolan Ryan, Pete Rose, Reggie Jackson , Carlton Fisk, Bob Clemente and Steve Garvey, could you please tell me how many of each one these players are in this lot or I am trying to finish off my 1972 topps set and need card numbers (49,79,299,300,309,310,559,560 & 595). as stated before Tommy had bought a BB lot off of this seller before and the seller not knowing anything about cards it is hard for a seller to answer a general question and sometimes even a specific question.
Example: I know nothing about soccer cards except for some guy named Pele being the greatest. so if I had a lot of soccer cards to sell as a lot, I would need a specific card number or a specific name to help me answer a buyers question especially if it was 2000 card lot.
I remember a customer wanting a Billy Cunningham Rookie, I show him a 1969 Topps Cunningham, he goes off calling me a liar saying that can't be his rookie card because Cunningham played in the NBA since 1965 and wants a 1965 card, it took me about 10 to 15 minutes to finally convince him and show him in the Beckett that 1969 was considered his rookie card because no one made basketball cards in 1965. LOL or trying to convince someone that the 52 Topps Mantle isn't really his rookie card.
Don't get me wrong I like Tommy and would not hesitate to do business with him and I am glad the seller is refunding his money,
I just thought it was funny from his first post:
"I keep waiting on one of these to burn me, but if you've got a good horse you run it. Another seller that knows nothing about sportscards. I bought a couple of vintage football lots from her over a year ago and it was filled with stars. We'll see. This is cheaper than buying vintage unopened and gambling, lol. "
well this is one that would have burned you (because the actual owner not the seller fixed the good horse before the race even started), if it wasn't for the seller not changing the turbo lister to No refunds instead of a 7 day return privilege, of course with ebay a No return policy is a joke and can be circumvented with just about any excuse. jmho
If you are buying a lot off EBAY in this manner, you bid and now you own it in my opinion. Unless there is some blatent fraud a buyer takes a chance on raw cards and lots.
Be glad the seller refunded and EBAY has buyer friendly rules.
In the real world you went to the casino and lost. We need to get back to where there are consequences or we are in real trouble.
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<< <i>I don't see what the problem is. >>
I'm guessing some people don't like it when Tommy talks up all his monetary wins. However, I don't see anything wrong with what he did in this instance.
Tommy comes across as one of the more brash people on these boards, but he clearly seems to be comfortable in his own skin. If he's found a way to make money on eBay, good for him.
These money-making threads are very dull compared to past threads, however. We all miss her, Tommy, bring her back. We're tired of looking at creepy santas. >>
for the record, they're sketchy santas. Perhaps you'd prefer some more PMed moobage?
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Oh I didn't know that, no mention of it until today or yesterday.
If so, maybe the questions tipped her off and she pulled out all the high dollar cards.
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<< <i>Derby City Classic Pool Tournament >>
Hey Tommy....I used to play pool/hang around pool halls along time ago.....who happened to win that tournament?
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<< <i>Derby City Classic Pool Tournament >>
Hey Tommy....I used to play pool/hang around pool halls along time ago.....who happened to win that tournament? >>
Dennis Orcullo won the 9-ball, Shane Van Boening won the One-Pocket and All Around, and Alex Pagulayan won the Banks. Dave "Viffer" Peat, the poker player, was in heavy action for the whole 2 weeks. He played a ton of champions getting huge spots in one-pocket for $25,000-$50,000 sets. I was in the commentary booth with former pool players turned poker pros, Nick Shulman and John Hennigan, while he was playing Corey Deuel.
I play golf every so often with Corey and had part of his bet.
<< <i> I play golf every so often with Corey and had part of his bet. >>
I had Stevie Moore one time in a Calcutta in a bar table tournament down in SC. Stevie Moore is one of the best, if not THE BEST bar table player in the US. It got down to the finals. Corey Duell beat him like a red headed step child.