There are no words to ease pain or sorrow. Time may heal wounds, but the loss of a loved one is permanently attached to family and friends ( it's a scar). But let's have faith, hope & love. And the greatest of these is love.
My Cameron memory was at the 2003 FUN show in Orlando. PCGS was having an informal reception, a modest forerunner of their luncheon extravaganzas. Cammie had smoething to do with PCGS at the time.
Anyway, at the luncheon they were going to have a drawing for an 8oz silver round donated for the cause by CameoCC. Carol asked Cameron to do the drawing and he pulled out his name. I feigned to raised hell about the obvious fraud, whereupon by honest happenstance, Cammie drew again...and drew MY name!
Well, needless to say, I felt a bit sheepish under my rejoicing bravado and claims of justification. Later, though, I slipped the round to B.J. at the PCGS table, asking her to see it safely back to Cameron.
Some time after the show, I PMd Cameron to ask him if he'd gotten a package from B.J. There ensued a PM conversation between us, as to how B.J. hadn't gotten around to delivering the round to him. So we decided to make a big deal about B.J.s larceny on the CU Boards. I wrote him, 'I think we need to put out an APB on the Boards here for her, and bring her to justice. You agree?" He wrote back:
"Go for it. Do a post on the registry forum and maybe even the open forum for her. You should do it because you gave her possession of the coin. I can be the sad YN who got nothing. Do it like a BOL (Be on Lookout) alert bulletin including description of the person and the posession they have. This could be fun."
We DID have fun with our flaplet on the Boards. CameoCC actually offered to get rounds to both of us because of the controversy (I couldn't revive the threads from the archives), which we declined. Carol finally got the round to Cammie at Long Beach.
This was sort of typical. I always found Cammie to be fun and a good sport.
<< <i>My Cameron memory was at the 2003 FUN show in Orlando. PCGS was having an informal reception, a modest forerunner of their luncheon extravaganzas. Cammie had smoething to do with PCGS at the time.
Anyway, at the luncheon they were going to have a drawing for an 8oz silver round donated for the cause by CameoCC. Carol asked Cameron to do the drawing and he pulled out his name. I feigned to raised hell about the obvious fraud, whereupon by honest happenstance, Cammie drew again...and drew MY name!
Well, needless to say, I felt a bit sheepish under my rejoicing bravado and claims of justification. Later, though, I slipped the round to B.J. at the PCGS table, asking her to see it safely back to Cameron.
Some time after the show, I PMd Cameron to ask him if he'd gotten a package from B.J. There ensued a PM conversation between us, as to how B.J. hadn't gotten around to delivering the round to him. So we decided to make a big deal about B.J.s larceny on the CU Boards. I wrote him, 'I think we need to put out an APB on the Boards here for her, and bring her to justice. You agree?" He wrote back:
"Go for it. Do a post on the registry forum and maybe even the open forum for her. You should do it because you gave her possession of the coin. I can be the sad YN who got nothing. Do it like a BOL (Be on Lookout) alert bulletin including description of the person and the posession they have. This could be fun."
We DID have fun with our flaplet on the Boards. CameoCC actually offered to get rounds to both of us because of the controversy (I couldn't revive the threads from the archives), which we declined. Carol finally got the round to Cammie at Long Beach.
This was sort of typical. I always found Cammie to be fun and a good sport. >>
You jogged my memory as I was at the luncheon sitting with shylock, lakesalmon (like my spelling better) and R. Snow. Didn't realize it was that famous dpoole till now. Anyway I am filled with sadness for many reasons. I hope a fund is set up for his wife and kids.
Very sad. My thoughts and prayers go out to his wife, kids, and family. There are always other options than what happened but I guess it's difficult for someone to see that when they're in the middle of it.
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I wonder if there were other factors we do not know about? Was he depressed? Did he do drugs (a legit question)? Did he gamble? People hide all their faults as best they can until they are overwhelmed.
If the guy did "rob peter to pay paul" a lynch mob was deserving. Its just business. However, how could he really be so rapped up to take these written words to the point of suicide? Sounds like more to it.
This is very sad news. Many people spoke very highly of him, and on my few interactions with him (and watching him at the next booth at Long Beach giving grading opinions), I found him very friendly and knowledgeable.
<< <i>Those that practically called for his beheading probably won't feel guilty one bit about what happened but they certainly contributed to the depression he felt. >>
I didn't know the young man and this thread is the first that I'd heard of his tragedy. This is starting to sound ugly, though. Suicide, of course, is never pleasant, and there are always extenuating factors precipitating that ultimate decision. I wonder why those closest to him couldn't see this coming, and take action to head it off. There are "signs," I'm saying, and ways to deal with such situations. An involuntary commitment, for one, comes to mind.
Anyway, that said, my condolences, of course, go out to this young man's family and loved ones. This is truly a shame...
<< <i>A lot has been said about Cameron in the past days and weeks. I hope that those involved in writing strong words come to see that their impact can be devastating, far beyond a coin deal that may have gone bad. In retrospect, were they worth it? The "rat pack/piling on" mentality here, sometimes, seems to know absolutely no end. Two kids under five are left without a father. A wife has lost her husband in the most tragic of circumstances. One of the brightest young lights in the numismatic world has been extinguished. The hell with any allegedly problematic deals. I think each and every one who posts here....needs to think a bit more the next time they get riled up before they hit "enter or send." In a season of happiness, peace and the promise, fulfilled, of man's redemption, Christmas will, likely, always be associated with the worst of time by two kids, a wife, a family and friends. I hope this place can be better than this in the future. >>
I'm glad someone had the marbles to say this. I didn't much care for the banter I was hearing about Cam as the only transaction I ever had with him was very pleasant and positive.
<< <i> I'll tell you all that he held the PCGS board members opinion of him very highly. He has been robbing Peter to pay Paul, hoping he could make it right. Sadly this drama has played out as a tragedy. >>
Sticks and stones do break bones but words can do much more damage. Let us take this a lesson to be careful how we speak and gossip in the future. Just even try to watch our speech for one day...
What I find very sad about this and quite curious is Cameron Kiefer's eBay page says, "No Longer a Registered Member". He probably deactivated it prior to the suicide knowing what he was going to do. This strikes me as sad because I've dealt with the kid many times in the California area. He truly will be missed.
As for the thread mentality, yes, I agree with that above statement. There were a few who came and went here who were, let's just say, "Different than usual" posters and they'd get the same treatment Cameron did in a way. Hopefully those guys don't kick the bucket either after they see this.
Cameron was a friend of mine. I hadn't spoken with him in maybe 3-4 years, but he will be missed. Our thoughts and prayers are with his family.
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<< <i>we as a family ask not to recieve flowers, if you would like to help we ask that you contact and donate to the fund set up by Netherland, CO police department where cameron worked to help out Angie and the Kids. Thank You. >>
Edit to add: I just talked to the Netherland police department and the funds are not yet in place. They are working on that but the bank apparently needs to have the wife sign the papers so it will be a few days. I have sent the police contact links to this thread and the one ATS. She will also provide me the information on the funds once it is available and I will post it here.
Depression can be accumulative... meaning, if I saw you three years ago and I saw you again today, I could easily tell you were depressed. However, if I lived with you day-to-day, since your depression developed slowly during those three years, you would probably appear normal to me. You shouldn't blame those that didn't see the depressive "signs". There are three different types of Suicide: Suicide gesture (a cry for help), Suicide attempt (an unsuccessful suicide) and Suicide (a successful suicide). Generally, a gun isn't a gesture as the person attempting suicide would see a gun as finality. People can commit suicide out of depression or compulsively. If you have a compulsive personality, a minor trigger could be all it takes to attempt suicide.
We can't save the world and we'll never know what motivates someone other than ourselves to move toward action. All that matters is that we lost a peer... RIP CK.
Cameron was one of the first people I met online, and he took me under his wing, helping me move from buying just from a local dealer to the national scene. He helped me get some ANA Summer Seminar scholarships and encouraged me to submit a paper that won a PCGS essay contest. Everything he did was with great enthusiasm, a big smile, and usually a laugh. A sad day, indeed.
I always enjoyed communicating with Cammie, who used to be one of the most prolific posters on this forum. I'm very sorry to hear of this tragedy, and send his family my condolences.
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I met the young man in 2000 at the ANA Summer Seminar.
I wish that he would have sought help for his financial woes. In my career as a professional poker player, an associate of mine had to pay off a $75K marker. Thankfully, he came to me and several others before doing anything rash. I was able to get him a good attorney, and he negotiated with the casino to get an extension with a little interest. With a little help from his friends, he paid it off.
However, incidents like this are an exception. We are all saddened by this. I choose not to remember him by his desperate actions, but as a knowledgeable and friendly man.
<< <i>What I find very sad about this and quite curious is Cameron Kiefer's eBay page says, "No Longer a Registered Member". He probably deactivated it prior to the suicide knowing what he was going to do. >>
I haven't exchanged many messages with Cameron, but he is the one who got me a bit into collecting sample slabs during my first few years of collecting. I've done 15 transactions with him on eBay and every one of them was nothing less than a pleasure. I've learned very much from his posts, and am very sad to hear of his passing.
My condolences to his family and friends.
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Very sad indeed. Such a talent he had for one so young. I'm sure many of us would have been willing to help him get his business turned around. But, like so many of us, he was too proud or embarrassed to seek help. I hope his wife and children can pull through this with family support.
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<< <i>A lot has been said about Cameron in the past days and weeks. I hope that those involved in writing strong words come to see that their impact can be devastating, far beyond a coin deal that may have gone bad.
In retrospect, were they worth it? The "rat pack/piling on" mentality here, sometimes, seems to know absolutely no end.
Two kids under five are left without a father. A wife has lost her husband in the most tragic of circumstances. One of the brightest young lights in the numismatic world has been extinguished.
The hell with any allegedly problematic deals. I think each and every one who posts here....needs to think a bit more the next time they get riled up before they hit "enter or send."
In a season of happiness, peace and the promise, fulfilled, of man's redemption, Christmas will, likely, always be associated with the worst of time by two kids, a wife, a family and friends.
I hope this place can be better than this in the future. >>
This is the single best post I have ever seen on this board, and it is true to the exact letter. I quit posting here regularly because of the gang piling, trolls, and general negative sentiment.
Thank you for posting the truth...and may Cameron's family find some comfort in God during this hardest of human events.
It's impossible to judge how much pressure an individual can take, in business I've seen "tough guys" turn and run from problems I would be glad to have and "weaker" people charge through problems I would have run from. I didn't know Cameron, but have read his posts and certainly knew who he was. I have lost enough friends in this community and my heart is truly saddened for his family. RIP.
I taught grading with him at the ANA Summer Seminar the last couple of years. A really sweet guy, always ready to offer some help and encouragement, patient with even (and these are the most difficult to reach, and perhaps most important to teach) those who didn't "get it".
I know some of us lost some money. Whatever moralizing I've heard here seems to have a great deal more to do with those doing the judging than this one person(flawed, as are we all) whose actions they judge.
Just another run-of-the-mill tragedy, but it happened to one of ours. RIP Cameron, and may peace someday come to those closest to you who were left behind.
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<< <i>You shouldn't blame those that didn't see the depressive "signs". >>
I guess that was my unfortunate choice of words. The family shouldn't feel any guilt for not intervening, though, and I'm sorry that I may have implied otherwise.
A tragic loss all around, so sorry to learn about this, sincere condolences to Cameron's family and friends.
I met Cameron at the June 2004 Long Beach show, shook his hand. He helped rotate a coin to straight by tapping the PCGS holder. He impressed me as a rising star from here (CU forums) and ANA, and as a thought leader in slab history, particularly sample slabs. Seems like we watched him grow up here over the years, followed his career, learned of his wife and kids. I always believed some folks gave him a harder time than they should have, pushed his buttons for fun because he sometimes did respond dramatically. This latest and final episode, as all stories do, have many points of view, and the tragedy is that in the end a valuable life was lost, and family and friends left permanently hurt.
I think the mods should also be held to a higher standard here. They don't do much about these piling on threads. It's kinda sad, but this may have been prevented with a little moderation.
I am also saddened as Cameron had asked my advice a few years ago, but never came back for anything else.
There is no point in saying anything else, but do extend my sincere condolences to his family and friends.
RIP, Cameron.
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No matter how you slice it, this is a profound tragedy. Cameron was our boy, part of the family. My heart and my prayers go out to his wife and his little ones. However, the intimation by some that those who spoke up about the business transactions that went south are somehow responsible for this is utterly ludicrous.
<< <i>No matter how you slice it, this is a profound tragedy. Cameron was our boy, part of the family. My heart and my prayers go out to his wife and his little ones. However, the intimation by some that those who spoke up about the business transactions that went south are somehow responsible for this is utterly ludicrous.
Russ, NCNE >>
This is well stated. My condolences to the family.
<< <i>A lot has been said about Cameron in the past days and weeks. I hope that those involved in writing strong words come to see that their impact can be devastating, far beyond a coin deal that may have gone bad.
In retrospect, were they worth it? The "rat pack/piling on" mentality here, sometimes, seems to know absolutely no end.
Two kids under five are left without a father. A wife has lost her husband in the most tragic of circumstances. One of the brightest young lights in the numismatic world has been extinguished.
The hell with any allegedly problematic deals. I think each and every one who posts here....needs to think a bit more the next time they get riled up before they hit "enter or send."
In a season of happiness, peace and the promise, fulfilled, of man's redemption, Christmas will, likely, always be associated with the worst of time by two kids, a wife, a family and friends.
I hope this place can be better than this in the future. >>
This is the single best post I have ever seen on this board, and it is true to the exact letter. I quit posting here regularly because of the gang piling, trolls, and general negative sentiment.
Thank you for posting the truth...and may Cameron's family find some comfort in God during this hardest of human events. >>
I saw nothing but overwhelming for support for you in many threads, about your work with lincoln varieties and the special drawings you created. I guess your perception is different than mine-------------------------BigE
Cam was one of the first people to PM me when I joined here and I found his enthusiasm, great humor and humility to be rare and refreshing. I always referred to him as "kid" when we exchanged messages and I liked him a lot. I often came to his aid when some of the keyboard-cowboys started in on him....but he could handle anything. Cam was like teflon when it came to getting razzed. I often thought that he would be one of the giants of the new generation of the coin 'industry'.
When he became a grader he asked me to challenge him at FUN by bringing my Saints (which I was going to do anyway) so he could take a crack at grading them. He nailed every one of them!
I am so saddened by this news. Whatever he may or may not have done didn't deserve the pillorying he received, and his dealing with his shame in such a horrid way makes me even more sad. Pride? Now I see why it's one of the seven deadly sins. RIP Cammie. You were a friend to many.
<< <i>No matter how you slice it, this is a profound tragedy. Cameron was our boy, part of the family. My heart and my prayers go out to his wife and his little ones. However, the intimation by some that those who spoke up about the business transactions that went south are somehow responsible for this is utterly ludicrous.
Russ, NCNE >>
Thank you Russ for being so ballsy! I couldn't agree more.
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Anyway, at the luncheon they were going to have a drawing for an 8oz silver round donated for the cause by CameoCC. Carol asked Cameron to do the drawing and he pulled out his name. I feigned to raised hell about the obvious fraud, whereupon by honest happenstance, Cammie drew again...and drew MY name!
Well, needless to say, I felt a bit sheepish under my rejoicing bravado and claims of justification. Later, though, I slipped the round to B.J. at the PCGS table, asking her to see it safely back to Cameron.
Some time after the show, I PMd Cameron to ask him if he'd gotten a package from B.J. There ensued a PM conversation between us, as to how B.J. hadn't gotten around to delivering the round to him. So we decided to make a big deal about B.J.s larceny on the CU Boards. I wrote him, 'I think we need to put out an APB on the Boards here for her, and bring her to justice. You agree?" He wrote back:
"Go for it. Do a post on the registry forum and maybe even the open forum for her. You should do it because you gave her possession of the coin. I can be the sad YN who got nothing. Do it like a BOL (Be on Lookout) alert bulletin including description of the person and the posession they have. This could be fun."
We DID have fun with our flaplet on the Boards. CameoCC actually offered to get rounds to both of us because of the controversy (I couldn't revive the threads from the archives), which we declined. Carol finally got the round to Cammie at Long Beach.
This was sort of typical. I always found Cammie to be fun and a good sport.
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<< <i>My Cameron memory was at the 2003 FUN show in Orlando. PCGS was having an informal reception, a modest forerunner of their luncheon extravaganzas. Cammie had smoething to do with PCGS at the time.
Anyway, at the luncheon they were going to have a drawing for an 8oz silver round donated for the cause by CameoCC. Carol asked Cameron to do the drawing and he pulled out his name. I feigned to raised hell about the obvious fraud, whereupon by honest happenstance, Cammie drew again...and drew MY name!
Well, needless to say, I felt a bit sheepish under my rejoicing bravado and claims of justification. Later, though, I slipped the round to B.J. at the PCGS table, asking her to see it safely back to Cameron.
Some time after the show, I PMd Cameron to ask him if he'd gotten a package from B.J. There ensued a PM conversation between us, as to how B.J. hadn't gotten around to delivering the round to him. So we decided to make a big deal about B.J.s larceny on the CU Boards. I wrote him, 'I think we need to put out an APB on the Boards here for her, and bring her to justice. You agree?" He wrote back:
"Go for it. Do a post on the registry forum and maybe even the open forum for her. You should do it because you gave her possession of the coin. I can be the sad YN who got nothing. Do it like a BOL (Be on Lookout) alert bulletin including description of the person and the posession they have. This could be fun."
We DID have fun with our flaplet on the Boards. CameoCC actually offered to get rounds to both of us because of the controversy (I couldn't revive the threads from the archives), which we declined. Carol finally got the round to Cammie at Long Beach.
This was sort of typical. I always found Cammie to be fun and a good sport. >>
You jogged my memory as I was at the luncheon sitting with shylock, lakesalmon (like my spelling better) and R. Snow. Didn't realize it was that famous dpoole till now. Anyway I am filled with sadness for many reasons. I hope a fund is set up for his wife and kids.
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Very sad. My thoughts and prayers go out to his wife, kids, and family. There are always other options than what happened but I guess it's difficult for someone to see that when they're in the middle of it.
Too many positive BST transactions with too many members to list.
I wonder if there were other factors we do not know about? Was he depressed? Did he do drugs (a legit question)? Did he gamble? People hide all their faults as best they can until they are overwhelmed.
If the guy did "rob peter to pay paul" a lynch mob was deserving. Its just business. However, how could he really be so rapped up to take these written words to the point of suicide? Sounds like more to it.
RIP guy..
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<< <i>Those that practically called for his beheading probably won't feel guilty one bit about what happened but they certainly contributed to the depression he felt. >>
I didn't know the young man and this thread is the first that I'd heard of his tragedy. This is starting to sound ugly, though. Suicide, of course, is never pleasant, and there are always extenuating factors precipitating that ultimate decision. I wonder why those closest to him couldn't see this coming, and take action to head it off. There are "signs," I'm saying, and ways to deal with such situations. An involuntary commitment, for one, comes to mind.
Anyway, that said, my condolences, of course, go out to this young man's family and loved ones. This is truly a shame...
<< <i>A lot has been said about Cameron in the past days and weeks. I hope that those involved in writing strong words come to see that their impact can be devastating, far beyond a coin deal that may have gone bad.
In retrospect, were they worth it? The "rat pack/piling on" mentality here, sometimes, seems to know absolutely no end.
Two kids under five are left without a father. A wife has lost her husband in the most tragic of circumstances. One of the brightest young lights in the numismatic world has been extinguished.
The hell with any allegedly problematic deals. I think each and every one who posts here....needs to think a bit more the next time they get riled up before they hit "enter or send."
In a season of happiness, peace and the promise, fulfilled, of man's redemption, Christmas will, likely, always be associated with the worst of time by two kids, a wife, a family and friends.
I hope this place can be better than this in the future. >>
I'm glad someone had the marbles to say this. I didn't much care for the banter I was hearing about Cam as the only transaction I ever had with him was very pleasant and positive.
<< <i> I'll tell you all that he held the PCGS board members opinion of him
very highly. He has been robbing Peter to pay Paul, hoping he could make
it right. Sadly this drama has played out as a tragedy. >>
Sticks and stones do break bones but words can do much more damage.
Let us take this a lesson to be careful how we speak and gossip in the future.
Just even try to watch our speech for one day...
truly sad
As for the thread mentality, yes, I agree with that above statement. There were a few who came and went here who were, let's just say, "Different than usual" posters and they'd get the same treatment Cameron did in a way. Hopefully those guys don't kick the bucket either after they see this.
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<< <i>we as a family ask not to recieve flowers, if you would like to help we ask that you contact and donate to the fund set up by Netherland, CO police department where cameron worked to help out Angie and the Kids. Thank You. >>
Edit to add: I just talked to the Netherland police department and the funds are not yet in place. They are working on that but the bank apparently needs to have the wife sign the papers so it will be a few days. I have sent the police contact links to this thread and the one ATS. She will also provide me the information on the funds once it is available and I will post it here.
We can't save the world and we'll never know what motivates someone other than ourselves to move toward action. All that matters is that we lost a peer... RIP CK.
Hopefully those doubters will go back and edit their comments out. There is no place for them here, or anywhere.
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I wish that he would have sought help for his financial woes. In my career as a professional poker player, an associate of mine had to pay off a $75K marker. Thankfully, he came to me and several others before doing anything rash. I was able to get him a good attorney, and he negotiated with the casino to get an extension with a little interest. With a little help from his friends, he paid it off.
However, incidents like this are an exception. We are all saddened by this. I choose not to remember him by his desperate actions, but as a knowledgeable and friendly man.
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<< <i>What I find very sad about this and quite curious is Cameron Kiefer's eBay page says, "No Longer a Registered Member". He probably deactivated it prior to the suicide knowing what he was going to do. >>
Nope, EBay kicked him off months ago.
I haven't exchanged many messages with Cameron, but he is the one who got me a bit into collecting sample slabs during my first few years of collecting. I've done 15 transactions with him on eBay and every one of them was nothing less than a pleasure. I've learned very much from his posts, and am very sad to hear of his passing.
My condolences to his family and friends.
Ben
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<< <i>A lot has been said about Cameron in the past days and weeks. I hope that those involved in writing strong words come to see that their impact can be devastating, far beyond a coin deal that may have gone bad.
In retrospect, were they worth it? The "rat pack/piling on" mentality here, sometimes, seems to know absolutely no end.
Two kids under five are left without a father. A wife has lost her husband in the most tragic of circumstances. One of the brightest young lights in the numismatic world has been extinguished.
The hell with any allegedly problematic deals. I think each and every one who posts here....needs to think a bit more the next time they get riled up before they hit "enter or send."
In a season of happiness, peace and the promise, fulfilled, of man's redemption, Christmas will, likely, always be associated with the worst of time by two kids, a wife, a family and friends.
I hope this place can be better than this in the future. >>
This is the single best post I have ever seen on this board, and it is true to the exact letter. I quit posting here regularly because of the gang piling, trolls, and general negative sentiment.
Thank you for posting the truth...and may Cameron's family find some comfort in God during this hardest of human events.
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what sorrow and grief they must now live with -
I know some of us lost some money. Whatever moralizing I've heard here seems to have a great deal more to do with those doing the judging than this one person(flawed, as are we all) whose actions they judge.
Just another run-of-the-mill tragedy, but it happened to one of ours. RIP Cameron, and may peace someday come to those closest to you who were left behind.
<< <i>You shouldn't blame those that didn't see the depressive "signs". >>
I guess that was my unfortunate choice of words. The family shouldn't feel any guilt for not intervening, though, and I'm sorry that I may have implied otherwise.
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Never a slave to one plastic brand will I ever be.
I met Cameron at the June 2004 Long Beach show, shook his hand. He helped rotate a coin to straight by tapping the PCGS holder. He impressed me as a rising star from here (CU forums) and ANA, and as a thought leader in slab history, particularly sample slabs. Seems like we watched him grow up here over the years, followed his career, learned of his wife and kids. I always believed some folks gave him a harder time than they should have, pushed his buttons for fun because he sometimes did respond dramatically. This latest and final episode, as all stories do, have many points of view, and the tragedy is that in the end a valuable life was lost, and family and friends left permanently hurt.
RIP Cam
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
My prayers go out to his family.
There is no point in saying anything else, but do extend my sincere condolences to his family and friends.
RIP, Cameron.
I firmly believe in numismatics as the world's greatest hobby, but recognize that this is a luxury and without collectors, we can all spend/melt our collections/inventories.
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Russ, NCNE
<< <i>No matter how you slice it, this is a profound tragedy. Cameron was our boy, part of the family. My heart and my prayers go out to his wife and his little ones. However, the intimation by some that those who spoke up about the business transactions that went south are somehow responsible for this is utterly ludicrous.
Russ, NCNE >>
This is well stated. My condolences to the family.
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<< <i>A lot has been said about Cameron in the past days and weeks. I hope that those involved in writing strong words come to see that their impact can be devastating, far beyond a coin deal that may have gone bad.
In retrospect, were they worth it? The "rat pack/piling on" mentality here, sometimes, seems to know absolutely no end.
Two kids under five are left without a father. A wife has lost her husband in the most tragic of circumstances. One of the brightest young lights in the numismatic world has been extinguished.
The hell with any allegedly problematic deals. I think each and every one who posts here....needs to think a bit more the next time they get riled up before they hit "enter or send."
In a season of happiness, peace and the promise, fulfilled, of man's redemption, Christmas will, likely, always be associated with the worst of time by two kids, a wife, a family and friends.
I hope this place can be better than this in the future. >>
This is the single best post I have ever seen on this board, and it is true to the exact letter. I quit posting here regularly because of the gang piling, trolls, and general negative sentiment.
Thank you for posting the truth...and may Cameron's family find some comfort in God during this hardest of human events. >>
I saw nothing but overwhelming for support for you in many threads, about your work with lincoln varieties and the special drawings you created. I guess your perception is different than mine
When he became a grader he asked me to challenge him at FUN by bringing my Saints (which I was going to do anyway) so he could take a crack at grading them. He nailed every one of them!
I am so saddened by this news. Whatever he may or may not have done didn't deserve the pillorying he received, and his dealing with his shame in such a horrid way makes me even more sad. Pride? Now I see why it's one of the seven deadly sins. RIP Cammie. You were a friend to many.
<< <i>No matter how you slice it, this is a profound tragedy. Cameron was our boy, part of the family. My heart and my prayers go out to his wife and his little ones. However, the intimation by some that those who spoke up about the business transactions that went south are somehow responsible for this is utterly ludicrous.
Russ, NCNE >>
Thank you Russ for being so ballsy! I couldn't agree more.
Aaron