<< <i>No matter how you slice it, this is a profound tragedy. Cameron was our boy, part of the family. My heart and my prayers go out to his wife and his little ones. However, the intimation by some that those who spoke up about the business transactions that went south are somehow responsible for this is utterly ludicrous.
<< <i>Cam was one of the first people to PM me when I joined here and I found his enthusiasm, great humor and humility to be rare and refreshing. I always referred to him as "kid" when we exchanged messages and I liked him a lot. I often came to his aid when some of the keyboard-cowboys started in on him....but he could handle anything. Cam was like teflon when it came to getting razzed. I often thought that he would be one of the giants of the new generation of the coin 'industry'.
When he became a grader he asked me to challenge him at FUN by bringing my Saints (which I was going to do anyway) so he could take a crack at grading them. He nailed every one of them!
I am so saddened by this news. Whatever he may or may not have done didn't deserve the pillorying he received, and his dealing with his shame in such a horrid way makes me even more sad. Pride? Now I see why it's one of the seven deadly sins. RIP Cammie. You were a friend to many. >>
Well said, Jay. Cammie and I had a few PM conversations when I first joined these board and he was a most pleasant and helpful fellow. This is saddening on many levels, and my heart goes out to his wife, his family and his two children. RIP Cammie...
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Cammy was part of the family here, there wasn't a day on the Open Forum that someone didn't bust Cammy's chops about something! He took it all with a smile. Personally I have done a lot of businsess with Cammy and have never had a problem. I wish he would have reached out to people. RIP Cammy!!
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<< <i>No matter how you slice it, this is a profound tragedy. Cameron was our boy, part of the family. My heart and my prayers go out to his wife and his little ones. However, the intimation by some that those who spoke up about the business transactions that went south are somehow responsible for this is utterly ludicrous.
Russ, NCNE >>
This is well stated. My condolences to the family. >>
I really didn't know him at all beyond reading posts of his now and then when he participated here. I can imagine that if the "numismatic rock star" career path I saw being predicted for and expected of him came crashing down, that would be a mighty blow to handle. I hope his widow and child have an awfully good support system in place, because they're going to need it.
My partner Jay and I had some dealings with Cameron and I tried to give him the best advice I could the few times that we spoke. At one point after hearing so many good things about him, I asked a mutual friend to see if he would come to work for us, but he wasn't interested at the time. This is truly a tragedy and I hope someone organizes a fund for his family. Jay and I would certainly like to contribute.
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I feel exactly that way too. When I read this this morning, I felt like I'd been hit by a truck, have felt overwhelming sadness since. At this time of year, our emotions are very strong. Any problems, sadness, helplessness, hopelessness... all become magnified.
I have grandchildren the ages of his children and rejoiced with him when they were born. My 2nd grandson's name is also Cameron. I never met Cammie but always enjoyed his posts and was sorry in the past year or two that things seemed to be spiraling for him. People don't often see "signs" until it's too late and you look back, wondering what you'd missed. We know people around us who have problems, but never expect them to end their lives.
God bless his soul, and take care of his family - my heart goes out to them.
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It has been a LONG time since I posted here, but I just wanted to echo other's sentiments and say what a tragedy this is for everyone involved. He was always really nice to me on here and my heart aches for him and his family.
RIP buddy. I wish I had known you better so I could have helped....
<< <i>The obituary is online at <a class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.HoranCares.com " target=blank>HoranCares.com </A>
Visitation on Wednesday and funeral on Thursday. >>
A Memorial Fund is being established for Cameron's children. The information of where to contribute will be updated on this website as soon as it is available.
Cammie was part of our extended family here on the boards. We shared in his growth as he became one of our brightest young numismatists. This is a horrible event. My sincere condolences to his immediate family.
Depression leading to suicide is a horrible thing to watch. Cammie was a bright, intelligent man who (obvious by this thread) touched a great many of us. We've lost a friend.
Sadly, all of his actions prior to the taking of his own life were entirely forgivable. But anyone assigning blame to people who were holding him to account - even the ones who seemed over the top - are misguided.
Please, if there is ANYONE here reading these messages who is depressed and contemplating suicide as an answer, PLEASE reach out. Call 911 if you have to - and know that you are NOT ALONE. Clinical depression does not discriminate - and help is available.
I understand services are next week (to be announced in Saturday Denver Post). I believe that the obituary should also announce where donations could be made.
I will say this....Cameron never intended to be a bad guy or disreputable. He apparently got in over his head and was overwhelmed to the point that he found no way out. He wanted to solve his business problems on his own.
I'm still in disbelief that this young guy I knew when he first came to Colorado (went to his bachelor night out, wedding, multiple lunches, coin shows) could get so despondent to put a gun to his head and leave behind a wife and two kids.
<< <i>No matter how you slice it, this is a profound tragedy. Cameron was our boy, part of the family. My heart and my prayers go out to his wife and his little ones. However, the intimation by some that those who spoke up about the business transactions that went south are somehow responsible for this is utterly ludicrous.
Russ, NCNE >>
This is well stated. My condolences to the family. >>
<< <i>I think the mods should also be held to a higher standard here. They don't do much about these piling on threads. It's kinda sad, but this may have been prevented with a little moderation. >>
This is a ludicrous statement. The CU Forum is about as much to blame as a backwards message in a Judas Priest record. I read most of those threads and still can't understand why the mods here chose to remove them.
No, there is exactly one person culpable for both the events leading up to Cameron's death, and the final act itself. My heart goes out to his family, who are left to deal with the aftermath of his decisions.
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I never knew Cameron personally, but he was clearly an important member of the coin community and will be missed by many. May he rest in peace and may his family find the strength and courage from within as well as from the overwhelming support they deserve to move forward from this tragedy.
<< <i>No matter how you slice it, this is a profound tragedy. Cameron was our boy, part of the family. My heart and my prayers go out to his wife and his little ones. However, the intimation by some that those who spoke up about the business transactions that went south are somehow responsible for this is utterly ludicrous.
Most of us here are men, and I hope as men, moving forward, that we can all at least agree to strive to remember not only what it means to be a gentleman, but a gentle man on these boards. "To your enemy, forgiveness. To an opponent, tolerance. To a friend, your heart. To a customer, service. To all, charity. To every child, a good example. To yourself, respect.” One thing is for sure: Everyone makes mistakes. An when someone here makes a mistake, there are two ways we can handle it. We can chastise that person, or be understanding.
I read this and posted this morning but can't get it off my mind all day. What a shame. I went back and read my PM's from Cameron from a few years ago and even though I didn't know him, I still feel a loss.
Well said Russ and Jay. I am really hurt by this. I talked to him maybe three times, but he to me was a cornerstone to the shows, the numismatic community. It is too bad he didn't have a "partner" friend to discuss/share his recent financial/coin dealer troubles - In no way was the price of the issues the value of a life. I pray for his family, and anyone else who feels the only way out was Cameron's...
As a Physician I see all manner of patients with horribly debilitating medical conditions with an insurmountable will to live. I just don't understand how an otherwise healthy person can let $ problems lead him to take his own life. It is also so utterly selfish and act when one considers his family. Imagine his wife trying to explain this to his young kids. May he finally RIP.
I did not know Cameron personally but we're the same age and I feel a connection with other young people in a hobby where we are a minority.
Many are trying to find an answer and see fit to blame themselves and others for this event... this is a natural part of grief and will pass. Anger, bargaining, and denial are also manifestations and are normal emotions.
Unfortunately he was a troubled young man, who sadly leaves behind a family and friends all across the country who saw trouble but were powerless to prevent this. As he never wanted or accepted help, there was nothing anyone could do.
There is much speculation that Cameron chose to end his life because he could not deal with his business failures: I doubt this is true. More likely he had other demons that were the cause of his business problems, and led to this final tragic course of action. Despite all of his friends here, it seems nobody knew him all that well.
My heart goes out to his family during this difficult time.
I appreciate our hosts allowing this thread to continue. I was shocked last night as I started to comprehend the news. This is as coin related as can be . . . as the enjoyment of things numismatic have brought us all together. The great chance that is this Forum brought all of us to know CK and the continuation of this Forum allows us to remember him in offhanded but positive ways for many years. Thanks to PCGS for that.
For so many of us this group of eclectic and bizarrely different numismatists has become a family of sorts. Sometimes dysfunctional, often irreverent, and occasionally humorous, we have existed in various iterations as members come and go, but there exists a core of positive people here that have made something unique in the world of numismatic communication and education. Bravo to you all for what you have done and I hope you stop to reflect on how much many of you mean to others, including those here.
As a Physician I see all manner of patients with horribly debilitating medical conditions with an insurmountable will to live. I just don't understand how an otherwise healthy person can let $ problems lead him to take his own life. It is also so utterly selfish and act when one considers his family. Imagine his wife trying to explain this to his young kids. May he finally RIP. >>
They aren't thinking clearly.
It is hard to call the act selfish or anything except some overly constrained and strained way of thinking. It is clearly not thinking clearly.
It is so very painful to think about Cameron no longer with us and the horrific effect it is having on his young family. Cameron was a dear friend for whom I (and many of his other friends) would have moved heaven and earth to help...had we only known the depths of his despair. Cameron was everything you could want in a friend; honor, integrity, humor, compassion, intelligence, and generosity. I feel empty. I can't write any more, it just hurts too much.
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God bless you Cam, we'll really miss you. God bless your young family, too, as well as those who loved you. May they find Peace.
You are a HUGE loss - you positively impacted so many people in your short life. I'm so sorry you could not have found help, for whatever ailed you. You deserved better, young man.
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Now THOSE are some profound thoughts. If only... Nice job timcoin!!!
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<My heart and my prayers go out to his wife and his little ones. However, the intimation by some that those who spoke up about the business transactions that went south are somehow responsible for this is utterly ludicrous>
Exactly.
I wish strength for his family. RIP young man. MJ
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Ive been around for a long time, and made friends with Cameron day he arrived. I learned alot from the young man, was impressed by his passion for the hobby. I am at a loss, my condolances to family.
<< <i>A lot has been said about Cameron in the past days and weeks. I hope that those involved in writing strong words come to see that their impact can be devastating, far beyond a coin deal that may have gone bad.
In retrospect, were they worth it? The "rat pack/piling on" mentality here, sometimes, seems to know absolutely no end.
Two kids under five are left without a father. A wife has lost her husband in the most tragic of circumstances. One of the brightest young lights in the numismatic world has been extinguished.
The hell with any allegedly problematic deals. I think each and every one who posts here....needs to think a bit more the next time they get riled up before they hit "enter or send."
In a season of happiness, peace and the promise, fulfilled, of man's redemption, Christmas will, likely, always be associated with the worst of time by two kids, a wife, a family and friends.
I hope this place can be better than this in the future.
(What he said above)....RIPCameron. >>
Thank you. This place has a tendency, IMHO, a few times a year.....to eat its own. Hopefully, some will take a good luck in the mirror; come next time and really give "those" kinds of posts some serious thought before putting them out there. In a non face to face environment, no one has any idea as to the state of mind of the other person.
<< <i>A lot has been said about Cameron in the past days and weeks. I hope that those involved in writing strong words come to see that their impact can be devastating, far beyond a coin deal that may have gone bad.
In retrospect, were they worth it? The "rat pack/piling on" mentality here, sometimes, seems to know absolutely no end.
Two kids under five are left without a father. A wife has lost her husband in the most tragic of circumstances. One of the brightest young lights in the numismatic world has been extinguished.
The hell with any allegedly problematic deals. I think each and every one who posts here....needs to think a bit more the next time they get riled up before they hit "enter or send."
In a season of happiness, peace and the promise, fulfilled, of man's redemption, Christmas will, likely, always be associated with the worst of time by two kids, a wife, a family and friends.
I hope this place can be better than this in the future. >>
This is the single best post I have ever seen on this board, and it is true to the exact letter. I quit posting here regularly because of the gang piling, trolls, and general negative sentiment.
Thank you for posting the truth...and may Cameron's family find some comfort in God during this hardest of human events. >>
When good people permit some to demean and castigate others in a public forum, over frickin money of all things......we lose the essence of our humanity. Think twice people the next time you want to put a hammer to someone's head online and you don't have detail one about their personal life.
<< <i>I think the mods should also be held to a higher standard here. They don't do much about these piling on threads. It's kinda sad, but this may have been prevented with a little moderation. >>
We should look within ourselves to do the right things rather than rely on moderators.
<< <i>I think the mods should also be held to a higher standard here. They don't do much about these piling on threads. It's kinda sad, but this may have been prevented with a little moderation. >>
This is a ludicrous statement. The CU Forum is about as much to blame as a backwards message in a Judas Priest record. I read most of those threads and still can't understand why the mods here chose to remove them.
No, there is exactly one person culpable for both the events leading up to Cameron's death, and the final act itself. My heart goes out to his family, who are left to deal with the aftermath of his decisions.
Sean Reynolds >>
Collectively, those who piled on, IMHO, not knowing the state of his mental health..certainly did nothing to improve it. I can only speak for myself but I couldn't look myself in the mirror if I had been in the scrum of those who piled it on. It's only money in the end and nothing more. Money can be replaced, a father and husband cannot.
<< <i>Most of us here are men, and I hope as men, moving forward, that we can all at least agree to strive to remember not only what it means to be a gentleman, but a gentle man on these boards. "To your enemy, forgiveness. To an opponent, tolerance. To a friend, your heart. To a customer, service. To all, charity. To every child, a good example. To yourself, respect.” One thing is for sure: Everyone makes mistakes. An when someone here makes a mistake, there are two ways we can handle it. We can chastise that person, or be understanding.
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The words of the prayer of St. Francis come to mind.
Lord, make me an instrument of your peace. Where there is hatred, let me sow love. Where there is injury, pardon. Where there is doubt, faith. Where there is despair, hope. Where there is darkness, light. Where there is sadness, joy.
O Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled, as to console; to be understood, as to understand; to be loved, as to love. For it is in giving that we receive. It is in pardoning that we are pardoned, and it is in dying that we are born to Eternal Life.
Unfortunately, Cameron's situation is not unique. We recently had a family member with serious financial problems. Concerned by a number of his angry statements and actions, we took him to a local hospital Emergency Room where he was admitted. Fortunately, we acted in time, as we was, indeed, diagnosed as having a very serious problem with depression.
Here's what I learned: Some people simply cannot handle the realization that their business is failing. I guess they equate their financial net-worth with their own value as a human being. When their financial net worth approaches zero, their own self-image similarly approaches zero.
It is always stressful to see your finances decline. It's depressing. I suspect Cameron is not the only coin dealer with financial stresses. When there are extremely difficult financial times, there is an increase in incidents of suicides. If you are having significant financial trouble, you should be "man enough" to talk with a physician, a member of the clergy, or a friend.
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<< <i>No matter how you slice it, this is a profound tragedy. Cameron was our boy, part of the family. My heart and my prayers go out to his wife and his little ones. However, the intimation by some that those who spoke up about the business transactions that went south are somehow responsible for this is utterly ludicrous.
Russ, NCNE >>
My condolences, however I agree 100% with Russ.
<< <i>Cam was one of the first people to PM me when I joined here and I found his enthusiasm, great humor and humility to be rare and refreshing. I always referred to him as "kid" when we exchanged messages and I liked him a lot. I often came to his aid when some of the keyboard-cowboys started in on him....but he could handle anything. Cam was like teflon when it came to getting razzed. I often thought that he would be one of the giants of the new generation of the coin 'industry'.
When he became a grader he asked me to challenge him at FUN by bringing my Saints (which I was going to do anyway) so he could take a crack at grading them. He nailed every one of them!
I am so saddened by this news. Whatever he may or may not have done didn't deserve the pillorying he received, and his dealing with his shame in such a horrid way makes me even more sad. Pride? Now I see why it's one of the seven deadly sins. RIP Cammie. You were a friend to many.
Well said, Jay. Cammie and I had a few PM conversations when I first joined these board and he was a most pleasant and helpful fellow. This is saddening on many levels, and my heart goes out to his wife, his family and his two children. RIP Cammie...
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Very saddened by what has happened. My sincerest prayers and condolences to his family for their loss.
Count me in for a contribution when the fund gets established to help his family.
Lots of things to think about under the circumstances. Maybe positive things can be learned from this tragedy. That is my hope.
RIP Cameron.
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<< <i>No matter how you slice it, this is a profound tragedy. Cameron was our boy, part of the family. My heart and my prayers go out to his wife and his little ones. However, the intimation by some that those who spoke up about the business transactions that went south are somehow responsible for this is utterly ludicrous.
Russ, NCNE >>
This is well stated. My condolences to the family. >>
Ditto.
Visitation on Wednesday and funeral on Thursday.
I really didn't know him at all beyond reading posts of his now and then when he participated here. I can imagine that if the "numismatic rock star" career path I saw being predicted for and expected of him came crashing down, that would be a mighty blow to handle. I hope his widow and child have an awfully good support system in place, because they're going to need it.
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<< <i>I can't believe how sad this makes me.
I feel exactly that way too. When I read this this morning, I felt like I'd been hit by a truck, have felt overwhelming sadness since. At this time of year, our emotions are very strong. Any problems, sadness, helplessness, hopelessness... all become magnified.
I have grandchildren the ages of his children and rejoiced with him when they were born. My 2nd grandson's name is also Cameron. I never met Cammie but always enjoyed his posts and was sorry in the past year or two that things seemed to be spiraling for him. People don't often see "signs" until it's too late and you look back, wondering what you'd missed. We know people around us who have problems, but never expect them to end their lives.
God bless his soul, and take care of his family - my heart goes out to them.
RIP buddy. I wish I had known you better so I could have helped....
<< <i>The obituary is online at <a class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.HoranCares.com " target=blank>HoranCares.com </A>
Visitation on Wednesday and funeral on Thursday. >>
A Memorial Fund is being established for Cameron's children. The information of where to contribute will be updated on this website as soon as it is available.
I just went back and reread some pm's that Cammie and I exchanged.
The last few were in June and July of '08 when he was submitting some coins for me. I guess this was about the time he had become a full time dealer.
The young man will be missed.
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This is a horrible event. My sincere condolences to his immediate family.
Sadly, all of his actions prior to the taking of his own life were entirely forgivable. But anyone assigning blame to people who were holding him to account - even the ones who seemed over the top - are misguided.
Please, if there is ANYONE here reading these messages who is depressed and contemplating suicide as an answer, PLEASE reach out. Call 911 if you have to - and know that you are NOT ALONE. Clinical depression does not discriminate - and help is available.
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I will say this....Cameron never intended to be a bad guy or disreputable. He apparently got in over his head and was overwhelmed to the point that he found no way out. He wanted to solve his business problems on his own.
I'm still in disbelief that this young guy I knew when he first came to Colorado (went to his bachelor night out, wedding, multiple lunches, coin shows) could get so despondent to put a gun to his head and leave behind a wife and two kids.
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<< <i>No matter how you slice it, this is a profound tragedy. Cameron was our boy, part of the family. My heart and my prayers go out to his wife and his little ones. However, the intimation by some that those who spoke up about the business transactions that went south are somehow responsible for this is utterly ludicrous.
Russ, NCNE >>
This is well stated. My condolences to the family. >>
I'm very saddened and in total disbelief.
My condolences go out to his family.
I watched him grow up here.
Let's strive to treat each other better in the new year.
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<< <i>I think the mods should also be held to a higher standard here. They don't do much about these piling on threads. It's kinda sad, but this may have been prevented with a little moderation. >>
This is a ludicrous statement. The CU Forum is about as much to blame as a backwards message in a Judas Priest record. I read most of those threads and still can't understand why the mods here chose to remove them.
No, there is exactly one person culpable for both the events leading up to Cameron's death, and the final act itself. My heart goes out to his family, who are left to deal with the aftermath of his decisions.
Sean Reynolds
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<< <i>No matter how you slice it, this is a profound tragedy. Cameron was our boy, part of the family. My heart and my prayers go out to his wife and his little ones. However, the intimation by some that those who spoke up about the business transactions that went south are somehow responsible for this is utterly ludicrous.
Russ, NCNE >>
Well said Russ
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I went back and read my PM's from Cameron from a few years ago and even though I didn't know him, I still feel a loss.
As a Physician I see all manner of patients with horribly debilitating medical conditions with an insurmountable will to live. I just don't understand how an otherwise healthy person can let $ problems lead him to take his own life. It is also so utterly selfish and act when one considers his family. Imagine his wife trying to explain this to his young kids. May he finally RIP.
I did not know Cameron personally but we're the same age and I feel a connection with other young people in a hobby where we are a minority.
Many are trying to find an answer and see fit to blame themselves and others for this event... this is a natural part of grief and will pass. Anger, bargaining, and denial are also manifestations and are normal emotions.
Unfortunately he was a troubled young man, who sadly leaves behind a family and friends all across the country who saw trouble but were powerless to prevent this. As he never wanted or accepted help, there was nothing anyone could do.
There is much speculation that Cameron chose to end his life because he could not deal with his business failures: I doubt this is true. More likely he had other demons that were the cause of his business problems, and led to this final tragic course of action. Despite all of his friends here, it seems nobody knew him all that well.
My heart goes out to his family during this difficult time.
I am going to take a break now and go think...
I am very sad..
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I appreciate our hosts allowing this thread to continue. I was shocked last night as I started to comprehend the news. This is as coin related as can be . . . as the enjoyment of things numismatic have brought us all together. The great chance that is this Forum brought all of us to know CK and the continuation of this Forum allows us to remember him in offhanded but positive ways for many years. Thanks to PCGS for that.
For so many of us this group of eclectic and bizarrely different numismatists has become a family of sorts. Sometimes dysfunctional, often irreverent, and occasionally humorous, we have existed in various iterations as members come and go, but there exists a core of positive people here that have made something unique in the world of numismatic communication and education. Bravo to you all for what you have done and I hope you stop to reflect on how much many of you mean to others, including those here.
We'll miss Cameron for a long time.
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<< <i>This is just so horrible.
As a Physician I see all manner of patients with horribly debilitating medical conditions with an insurmountable will to live. I just don't understand how an otherwise healthy person can let $ problems lead him to take his own life. It is also so utterly selfish and act when one considers his family. Imagine his wife trying to explain this to his young kids. May he finally RIP. >>
They aren't thinking clearly.
It is hard to call the act selfish or anything except some overly constrained and strained way of thinking. It is clearly not thinking clearly.
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You are a HUGE loss - you positively impacted so many people in your short life. I'm so sorry you could not have found help, for whatever ailed you. You deserved better, young man.
RIP Cam,
Dave
Now THOSE are some profound thoughts. If only...
Nice job timcoin!!!
Exactly.
I wish strength for his family. RIP young man. MJ
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young man, was impressed by his passion for the hobby. I am at a loss, my condolances to family.
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<< <i>A lot has been said about Cameron in the past days and weeks. I hope that those involved in writing strong words come to see that their impact can be devastating, far beyond a coin deal that may have gone bad.
In retrospect, were they worth it? The "rat pack/piling on" mentality here, sometimes, seems to know absolutely no end.
Two kids under five are left without a father. A wife has lost her husband in the most tragic of circumstances. One of the brightest young lights in the numismatic world has been extinguished.
The hell with any allegedly problematic deals. I think each and every one who posts here....needs to think a bit more the next time they get riled up before they hit "enter or send."
In a season of happiness, peace and the promise, fulfilled, of man's redemption, Christmas will, likely, always be associated with the worst of time by two kids, a wife, a family and friends.
I hope this place can be better than this in the future.
(What he said above)....RIPCameron.
Thank you. This place has a tendency, IMHO, a few times a year.....to eat its own. Hopefully, some will take a good luck in the mirror; come next time and really give "those" kinds of posts some serious thought before putting them out there. In a non face to face environment, no one has any idea as to the state of mind of the other person.
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<< <i>A lot has been said about Cameron in the past days and weeks. I hope that those involved in writing strong words come to see that their impact can be devastating, far beyond a coin deal that may have gone bad.
In retrospect, were they worth it? The "rat pack/piling on" mentality here, sometimes, seems to know absolutely no end.
Two kids under five are left without a father. A wife has lost her husband in the most tragic of circumstances. One of the brightest young lights in the numismatic world has been extinguished.
The hell with any allegedly problematic deals. I think each and every one who posts here....needs to think a bit more the next time they get riled up before they hit "enter or send."
In a season of happiness, peace and the promise, fulfilled, of man's redemption, Christmas will, likely, always be associated with the worst of time by two kids, a wife, a family and friends.
I hope this place can be better than this in the future. >>
This is the single best post I have ever seen on this board, and it is true to the exact letter. I quit posting here regularly because of the gang piling, trolls, and general negative sentiment.
Thank you for posting the truth...and may Cameron's family find some comfort in God during this hardest of human events. >>
When good people permit some to demean and castigate others in a public forum, over frickin money of all things......we lose the essence of our humanity. Think twice people the next time you want to put a hammer to someone's head online and you don't have detail one about their personal life.
<< <i>I think the mods should also be held to a higher standard here. They don't do much about these piling on threads. It's kinda sad, but this may have been prevented with a little moderation. >>
We should look within ourselves to do the right things rather than rely on moderators.
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<< <i>I think the mods should also be held to a higher standard here. They don't do much about these piling on threads. It's kinda sad, but this may have been prevented with a little moderation. >>
This is a ludicrous statement. The CU Forum is about as much to blame as a backwards message in a Judas Priest record. I read most of those threads and still can't understand why the mods here chose to remove them.
No, there is exactly one person culpable for both the events leading up to Cameron's death, and the final act itself. My heart goes out to his family, who are left to deal with the aftermath of his decisions.
Sean Reynolds >>
Collectively, those who piled on, IMHO, not knowing the state of his mental health..certainly did nothing to improve it. I can only speak for myself but I couldn't look myself in the mirror if I had been in the scrum of those who piled it on. It's only money in the end and nothing more. Money can be replaced, a father and husband cannot.
<< <i>Most of us here are men, and I hope as men, moving forward, that we can all at least agree to strive to remember not only what it means to be a gentleman, but a gentle man on these boards. "To your enemy, forgiveness. To an opponent, tolerance. To a friend, your heart. To a customer, service. To all, charity. To every child, a good example. To yourself, respect.” One thing is for sure: Everyone makes mistakes. An when someone here makes a mistake, there are two ways we can handle it. We can chastise that person, or be understanding.
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The words of the prayer of St. Francis come to mind.
Lord, make me an instrument of your peace.
Where there is hatred, let me sow love.
Where there is injury, pardon.
Where there is doubt, faith.
Where there is despair, hope.
Where there is darkness, light.
Where there is sadness, joy.
O Divine Master,
grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled, as to console;
to be understood, as to understand;
to be loved, as to love.
For it is in giving that we receive.
It is in pardoning that we are pardoned,
and it is in dying that we are born to Eternal Life.
Amen.
Here's what I learned: Some people simply cannot handle the realization that their business is failing. I guess they equate their financial net-worth with their own value as a human being. When their financial net worth approaches zero, their own self-image similarly approaches zero.
It is always stressful to see your finances decline. It's depressing. I suspect Cameron is not the only coin dealer with financial stresses. When there are extremely difficult financial times, there is an increase in incidents of suicides. If you are having significant financial trouble, you should be "man enough" to talk with a physician, a member of the clergy, or a friend.