1961 5C Jefferson.........grade opinions please

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SUMORADA
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No steps but not bad I believe...............thanks in advance.

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  • djdilliodon
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    Not my series but im gonna say a 64.
  • Type2
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    MS-64 I was just looking at some rolls, image


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  • robkool
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    MS65...
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  • DoubleEagle59
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    Looks like a 66 obverse, 65 reverse.
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  • leothelyon
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    "Often Jefferson's hair by his ear is not fully struck up." is what Bern Nagengast mentions numerous times from the Analyst concern the strikes from 1960 and up. Your coin is a typical example of this plus what appears to be a flat area on the cheek. I have two examples of this date pictured in the lower link for comparison. I can't grade it since the strike is incomplete.


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  • SUMORADA
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    Leo,

    I see what you mean about the hair on the ear, I have some other ones that are not as mark free from the same rolls that are better struck, I will try to post some of them here, thanks everyone for the opinions......
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  • morgandollar1878
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    64
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  • fcloud
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    65

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  • keets
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    as Leo said, the hair near the ear is the last portion of the die to fill. not only is that detail weak, the hair in the center of the portrait is also flat/unstruck as is the bottom of the Monticello. i see a very weak strike, the marks are unstruck planchet flaws.....................MS64 tops and that's hopeful/possible only because of the smoothness of the fields.
  • leothelyon
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    << <i>Leo,

    I see what you mean about the hair on the ear, I have some other ones that are not as mark free from the same rolls that are better struck, I will try to post some of them here, thanks everyone for the opinions...... >>



    The problems associated with the 1960's are difficult to avoid. It has taken me a few years to find 3 full quality examples with steps. One example not pictured with the other two has a few nasty hits on the cheek and steps but along with it's bold strike the planchet is PL. If I enjoy the eye appeal of a coin, this is usually the reason why it's a part of my collection. Same goes for your coin. I still have my very first 1961 coin but have since upgraded it.

    Happy hunting,


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  • ricko
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    MS63+..... Cheers, RickO
  • BillJones
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    To most of us this looks like an MS-64, but I've been surprised and disappointed with some of the certified modern coins I've seen. It seems like it doesn't take much to make MS-65. If you realy want a "nice one," you need to spring for an MS-66 or 67. At least that's what I saw when I looked at the certified State Quarters that some dealers were offering.

    When it comes to modern Proof coins (from the 1930s and '40s), I've rarely seen one in less than PR-66 that pleased me.
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  • bolivarshagnasty
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    Sumadora, I looked through rolls of early 60's Jeffs and that is a nice one. If the date was 1941 it might go 64, but I believe that PCGS will grade this one a 65. Nice find. Shag
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    << <i>as Leo said, the hair near the ear is the last portion of the die to fill. not only is that detail weak, the hair in the center of the portrait is also flat/unstruck as is the bottom of the Monticello. i see a very weak strike, the marks are unstruck planchet flaws.....................MS64 tops and that's hopeful/possible only because of the smoothness of the fields. >>



    Keets said everything I was going to say, the marks on the cheek and jaw were on the planchet before the strike, they are still there because the strike was too weak to obliterate them. Technically I'd grade it a 64 but if the luster is strong and knowing it's from a year where weak strikes are the rule rather than the exception I could see it in a 65 holder.


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  • Graphicview
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    not gem...

    my 2cents:

    obverse: flat hair detail, incomplete planchet flow to high points- cheek and jaw bones... nice fields
    reverse: too much chatter on monticello entry above steps... chatter in upper fields...

    agree, ms-64
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  • machoponcho
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    MS65. Gotta watch the field above the dome of the Monticello. Looks like there's some chatter there on this coin that would hold it back from the coveted MS66. I've seen chatter above the Monticello spoil many otherwise high grade Jefferson Nickels from this era.
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  • leothelyon
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    << <i>not gem...

    my 2cents:

    obverse: flat hair detail, incomplete planchet flow to high points- cheek and jaw bones... nice fields
    reverse: too much chatter on monticello entry above steps... chatter in upper fields...

    agree, ms-64 >>



    Here's another with the same problems but with a deeper strike. A 3rd example that I have along with the PCGS MS65 and MS63. There's more ear and hair but with an ever so slightly flat cheek. Flatness can also be seen in the mid section of the hair. Nice steps can be seen on this one which helps fill out the strike.
    Like I've said, for many of the dates from 1946 and up, the grade/condition must be sacrificed if you want a coin with a full detailed strike. Coins that are mark free with a lot of luster are far more common than coins with a full strike. Combine the age of the master hubs and the very hard copper-nickel alloy, as the years progressed towards 1970, very few of those early strikes that came off those first working dies would escape the minting process mark free.

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  • 09sVDB
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    65 at best. Too much chatter on the reverse to go higher.
  • tydye
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    64
  • kurtdog
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    I'll say 65. Is it a roll find?
  • Type2
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    This is one I had graded 3 or 4 months ago.



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  • leothelyon
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    Ricc,

    I like that one better and eventually, you will too. You have got to look past those marks and appreciate the strike. The survival rate for those early strikes in high grade are seldom encountered, IMO. This is the reason why the FS designation should be given to many dates with 4 steps and there are a few dates that are difficult to locate with 3 steps. But the strike must be full before receiving any designation.


    Leo

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  • 19Lyds
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    MS65 Full Step!


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  • pontiacinf
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    Leo hit it on the head- BN has alot of useful info in his Jefferson Nickel Analyst

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  • 2fun2Bbad
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    I haven't got the grade back yet on my 1961 Jefferson I sent up this week, but I have hope it will do well. Perhaps my pictures aren't as good, but hopefully you can see the quality well enough to see what you think.


  • itsnotjustme
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    The coin above is a proof. Totally different.

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  • leothelyon
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    PR65

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  • JBK
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    You sent that in? Oh well, consider it tuition.

    Also, feel free to start your own threads instead of resurrecting 9 year old ones. ;)

  • 2fun2Bbad
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    I did start a new one, and thanks. Not a proof, it comes from the Philadelphia mint. But thanks I think, I'm very new, its actually my first submission, so forgive the newbie

  • leothelyon
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    Yeah. for the life of me, I can't remember what coin I was talking about 12 posts back.

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  • JBK
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    @2fun2Bbad said:
    I did start a new one, and thanks. Not a proof, it comes from the Philadelphia mint. But thanks I think, I'm very new, its actually my first submission, so forgive the newbie

    Proofs of that era were struck in Philadelphia....

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