ACTUAL SHIPPING COST, there is ZERO need for a "handling" cost!
now another 3-4 pages of nonsense!
Yes, I agree, actual shipping charges...if you sell a $50 card the ACTUAL shipping cost (including DC and insurance) will be $4.00.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
I gladly pay the stated sh charges. But when it comes time to rate them, it is a different story. I am glad ebay is trying to crack down on these sellers who use RICO influenced shipping prices, and blame it on handling.
I bought a card, not a gallon of gas for your Hummer.
<< <i>I gladly pay the stated sh charges. But when it comes time to rate them, it is a different story. I am glad ebay is trying to crack down on these sellers who use RICO influenced shipping prices, and blame it on handling.
I bought a card, not a gallon of gas for your Hummer. >>
Damn right, you did
You are obviously a non-seller, and so it is no surprise that you don't understand how time, gas, effort, etc represents value. Shipping and HANDLING means that I will
A) ship your item to you for what the post office charges PLUS cost of materials (which you inexplicably think are negligible) AND take MY time to package the item, take it to the P.O., use gas and wear on my car, wait in line, so that you can have your item arrive safely at your door without you having to leave your recliner.
Buyers who flip out when a $4 s/h charge doesn't match the $2.22 on the postage sticker are small-minded.
And let me say it again so we are clear: IF YOU THINK A SELLER'S SHIPPING CHARGE IS TOO HIGH, OR IF YOU SUSPECT THAT A SELLER IS TRYING TO CHARGE FOR (gasp!) HANDLING, MOVE TO THE NEXT AUCTION.
I gladly pay the stated sh charges. But when it comes time to rate them, it is a different story. I am glad ebay is trying to crack down on these sellers who use RICO influenced shipping prices, and blame it on handling.
And like I said, the total ACTUAL cost of shipping and Dc and insurance on a $50 card is $4.00, so where do you come off saying $4.00 is gouging?
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
why if I buy an item from walmart it is .99 an item. They don't even GOUGE on handling.
So you admit you are worse at customer service than walmart.
HaHaha
Nevermind, I made the mistake of believing I was asking a question to a person with some common sense. My bad. Carry on!
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
AGAIN, you didn't see where I sold 2 lots and charges ACTUAL SHIPPING, all other costs were incurred by me. Including putting gas in my car(this is just so silly) do you actually record how much gas you burn? Why not have the PO pick the item up at your house? (you'd lose gouging material?)
<< <i>I gladly pay the stated sh charges. But when it comes time to rate them, it is a different story. I am glad ebay is trying to crack down on these sellers who use RICO influenced shipping prices, and blame it on handling.
And like I said, the total ACTUAL cost of shipping and Dc and insurance on a $50 card is $4.00, so where do you come off saying $4.00 is gouging? >>
If you spent $4, you get all 5's and a personal thank you email for your excellent shipping, when the card arrives.
I am talking about those that charge $4 to ship a card that they spent around $2 or less to ship!
<< <i>why if I buy an item from walmart it is .99 an item. They don't even GOUGE on handling.
So you admit you are worse at customer service than walmart.
HaHaha >>
You better believe that every single dime that Walmart spends on employee "handling" hours, shipping costs, etc are figured into that .99 that you pay. The fact that you don't get that gives me a clearer picture of who I'm arguing with. But I'm up late, anyway, so what the hell
EXACTLY all of those people's "salaries" are figured in to the .99 shipping for wal mart
Yet some sellers think $4 is acceptable only having ONE employee. I WILL pay for you time/effort/gas, just dont be surprised when your DSR's go downhill.
Unless you are gouging, you should have no problems with these statements, as a small time seller!
<< <i>AGAIN, you didn't see where I sold 2 lots and charges ACTUAL SHIPPING, all other costs were incurred by me. Including putting gas in my car(this is just so silly) do you actually record how much gas you burn? Why not have the PO pick the item up at your house? (you'd lose gouging material?) >>
If all I did was make a couple sales here and there, I wouldn't worry about it, either. But for many sellers, these extraneous expenses add up to a significant amount over time.
And just because you incur your own expenses, doesn't mean other sellers should also. It's a lousy business practice.
Why do you think the IRS allows sellers and other contractors the ability to deduct such expenses? It is because they have value.
<< <i>EXACTLY all of those people's "salaries" are figured in to the .99 shipping for wal mart
Yet some sellers think $4 is acceptable only having ONE employee. I WILL pay for you time/effort/gas, just dont be surprised when your DSR's go downhill.
Unless you are gouging, you should have no problems with these statements, as a small time seller! >>
I don't give a sh*t about my DSR's. Just pay me what I spent to get the item from my house to your door.
<< <i>why if I buy an item from walmart it is .99 an item. They don't even GOUGE on handling.
So you admit you are worse at customer service than walmart.
HaHaha >>
Wow, I just read this entire thread and I want my time back and about 10 - 15 Peoples Ebay ID's to block them.
Walmart probably pays less than a .25 for the item they are selling at .99 so if you don't think their is a handling/shipping charge on every item going out there doors you know nothing about business especially retail business, I own my own business and have been in retail for 31 years, my business model, as most do, allows me to support my family, grow my business and hopefully someday retire.
If you don't like to pay what the shipping charge is, as clearly stated, don't buy my stuff. Don't ding my Stars because you can't get my stuff at Walmart.
-John
P.S. I'm glad I don't depend on Ebay for a living, with all the narrow minded people out there that will screw with someone's livelihood for a damn buck.
-John Stevens Ebay ID: jrconcessi
Collecting 1993 Finest Refractors & All Refractors 1993 - 2001, 1964 Topps Psa 8.5 or Better Soon to be Collecting 1966 Batman Color and all Hall of Famers in all Sports in as High a Grade as I can Afford.
If I agree to $4 shipping charge for a single raw card, I expect the card AND $4 worth of shipping. PWEs are unacceptable.
You pay for the product and the level of service (shipping service included).
I ONLY charge SLIGHTLY higher for Canadian orders as most go to Canada because I sell mainly hockey. Canadian orders actually DO require time to fill out customs forms AND drive to the post office.
US orders are simply printed off the computer and dropped in my mailbox. I reuse bubble mailers, cutting them to fit the card(s) and drop them into an envelope. Not to gloat, but from experience I'd say my shipping is and looks better than most. I also charge $2 to $3 for shipping raw cards, which is SLIGHTLY higher than the total ACTUAL cost.
i think skilow's helmet is fastened a little to tight. loosen the chin strap, dude.
for the record, eBay does not "expect" you to rate sellers, it's a voluntary addition to the transaction itself so they can compile numbers which have very little to do with individual efforts and policies of their constituents, US!!!, the people who hustle for and maintain an inventory of sports crap so people like you can brag about their latest find.....to EXPLOIT the system just because you're pissed off over a friggin pocket full of pennies is nothing short of ridiculous.
How about a class action suit against those who overcharge fifty cents or more on shipping. We can make ebay a defendant as they allow this to happen with no regard to the harm they are doing to the card buying community. We can call the PSA board Moderators as witnesses to the fact that these greedy sellers are aware there is a backlash against their unfair practices as it is discussed on a regular basis.
Would all those that would neg or bing for $4 please post your eBay ID's?
I offer free shipping....and I would rather not deal with you.
Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards. Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
Bottom line...I have seen sellers' Shipping & Handling stars get dinged when they offer FREE SHIPPING!!!?!?! HELLO!?!?!??!?! FREE SHIPPING!!!! I don't know how on earth Ebay can explain that one. There was a funny youtube video where they tried to explain that at the last Ebay Live meeting they had (the one that relatively noone attended and the few that went were IRATE - they ended up cancelling the following years meeting). Alas, Ebay and their continual running their business into the ground is another topic......
I once took a hard stance against card sellers profiting off shipping....... then I realized 1) I was fighting a losing battle, and 2) there are far greater crimes against humanity that deserve the attention. People will make money wherever they can; all you can do on your end is not buy from them. Deal with it and move on.
<< <i>again on that note why should I have to pay for your gas. Is the only reason you ever leave your house to to go to the PO?
They will pick your items up at your house for FREE, so why charge buyers the gas that you are already using on your daily travels? >>
Skillow - some of us aren't selling .75 cent cards and don't want our packages 'left at home' for the mailman to pick up for free. some of us are selling higher dollar cards and we want our items scanned by the USPS at time of receipt and then handed to the postal clerk so we know the package is on it's way. also, many people don't have locked mail boxes to leave their packages in to be picked up.
when I leave for work I can take a right out of my street and go on my way. instead, on most mornings, I go the other direction, down the road several miles and go by the post office so I can mail the packages. plus, getting the package out at 8:30 am when the PO opens probably means my packages are arriving a full day earlier than if I had left the package at home and it was sitting in the mailman's truck until 4 pm.
you earlier commented on printer ink and how that should not be factored in. perhaps there is a walmart employee discount involved there but ink isn't cheap. I can easily spend $40 a month on ink.
STEP 1: Find an auction. STEP 2: Read the terms of the auction. STEP 3: Make mental note that gun is not being pressed against your temple. STEP 4: After reviewing item description, seller reputation, price of item, and, of course, S & H charge..... make an informed decision that "yes, I wish to purchase this item". STEP 5: Receive item safely, make mental note that seller strictly adhered to the terms of the contract that you came to him (or her) and agreed to. STEP 6: Ponder the situation for a moment, and think about whether the threatening situation described in step 3 was applicable when you chose to buy the item (HINT: it was not applicable).
STEP 7: Complain about the seller anyway???!???!????
We have had enough people rally in support the thought process above to get this debate into Day 5!!!
'Sir, I realize it's been difficult for you to sleep at night without your EX/MT 1977 Topps Tom Seaver, but I swear to you that you'll get it safe and sound.' -CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
<< <i>Would all those that would neg or bing for $4 please post your eBay ID's?
I offer free shipping....and I would rather not deal with you. >>
great idea...let's see some user id's >>
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I no longer leave neutral or negative feedback for shipping issues.
$4 to ship a card is okay. Use a bubble mailer, make sure the item(s) are secure inside, include invoice, have delivery confirmation. Labels instead of ugly handwriting is a plus.
There are the dumbest arguments here where people are talking past each other. First if an ebay seller offers free shipping and gets dinged on shipping charges, that's wrong. If an ebay seller charges $4 for shipping, and on the package the shipping cost (+insurance/confirmation) is around $4, and they get dinged, that is wrong. However, what other ebay buyers and I are complaining about is when the seller charges $4 for shipping, and when we look at the package, and it only took ~$2 to ship it to us (w/o delivery confirmation or insurance). That is where we ding DSR. And for sellers to say, you see my shipping costs, don't buy from me if you don't like it is the stupidest thing. If you don't want to be rated, don't sell on ebay. It's like all of those sellers who sell on ebay and complain about ebay's horrible policies (and I agree ebay has some real bad ones). Then, it's like telling the sellers, if you don't like ebay, don't sell there. If you don't like the DSR policy, don't sell on ebay. In the end, 90% of the sellers still suck it up, and sell on ebay because there are very few better alternatives. And they continue to complain about ebay b/c hey, it's a free country, and we can yap all we want. Same thing w/ ebay buyers. We see something we want to buy. We don't like the shipping charge, but assume that's what it costs to ship it us. We find that the actual shipping cost was less, and we ding. Free country, option is there. Just live with it.
<< <i>There are the dumbest arguments here where people are talking past each other. First if an ebay seller offers free shipping and gets dinged on shipping charges, that's wrong. If an ebay seller charges $4 for shipping, and on the package the shipping cost (+insurance/confirmation) is around $4, and they get dinged, that is wrong. However, what other ebay buyers and I are complaining about is when the seller charges $4 for shipping, and when we look at the package, and it only took ~$2 to ship it to us (w/o delivery confirmation or insurance). That is where we ding DSR. And for sellers to say, you see my shipping costs, don't buy from me if you don't like it is the stupidest thing. If you don't want to be rated, don't sell on ebay. It's like all of those sellers who sell on ebay and complain about ebay's horrible policies (and I agree ebay has some real bad ones). Then, it's like telling the sellers, if you don't like ebay, don't sell there. If you don't like the DSR policy, don't sell on ebay. In the end, 90% of the sellers still suck it up, and sell on ebay because there are very few better alternatives. And they continue to complain about ebay b/c hey, it's a free country, and we can yap all we want. Same thing w/ ebay buyers. We see something we want to buy. We don't like the shipping charge, but assume that's what it costs to ship it us. We find that the actual shipping cost was less, and we ding. Free country, option is there. Just live with it. >>
There are a lot of factors like you mentioned above when taking into account to ding DSR or not. Not all auctions/listings are the same.
USPS insurance is a joke. I use it when I want to be covered in case they lose my package. This is something, in my opinion, a cost that should be picked up by the seller as the buyer already has enough insurance by paying with paypal (if the package does not arrive, or arrives damaged, or arrives but they changed their mind regardless of it your eBay listing says "No Returns," they will get their money back through a dispute/claim).
The importance of charging shipping is to put a value on the shipping. I used to have free shipping for all of my auctions. Then a buyer asked to return a card and I lost on the shipping. Also, for some strange reason, I was at 4.9 DSR for shipping even though I was charging nothing. After these situations I began charging shipping in case the card comes back, and to put an actual value on the shipping. I charge about $2.25-$3 for as many raw cards within the US and used to give the buyer the option of having cards shipped in a PWE for 75 cents, but now I need to purchase delivery confirmation, and it is cheaper through paypal click/ship, so that changed everything for me.
Graded cards start at $3 and go up $1/card up to $8 maximum. This has always worked for me and is fair to the buyer. Canadian shipping for graded cards is $4.50 and $1/card up to $12.50 maximum. Again, this works for me as shipping from Virginia to Ontario is about $8.50 maximum and Calgary $10-11 maximum. I also have to fill out custom forms, drive to the PO, and wait in line, unlike US orders which are put in my mailbox for pickup. I am seriously considering changing my Canadian shipping methods though and possibly charging more because there is a huge risk with shipping w/o delivery confirmation.
well, different people have different overhead, and I respect that and don't complain when I agree to pay X for shipping, but when a package arrives for $4 in a PWE with a stamp, the seller is not getting feedback from me.
Let's say that you buy a raw card for $5 on eBay agree for shipping $4. Your total is $9
Card arrives in a PWE, 0.44 stamp.
You decide, for whatever reason, the card needs to be returned. You have to purchase delivery confirmation and the package has to be a certain thickness for that DC. You're looking at about $2ish to ship the card back.
Card arrives to seller, he issues $5 refund, gets fees returned from eBay, and makes about $3.50 on the transaction.
What's to stop this seller from scamming/misrepresenting his items? DSR and feedback.
I completely agree $3 shipping for one card up to $8 for additional cards is completely fair. If someone dings you for that, it is wrong. Again, ebay buyers like me aren't complaining about this. It's when we see the actual shipping costs that was paid to the Post Office is significantly less than was charged.
I don't think you should really take returns into consideration here as these are exceptions and part of doing business. I've returned cards too. However remember that as the buyer I have to pay return shipping. So often I pay $4 to ship the card back, especially since I have to buy delivery confirmation also. (and insurance too if the card is fairly high valued) So that transaction just lost me money as a buyer, and I don't have a nice card to show for it. That's how it is. I did get to return the card, and now I can go buy more cards.
So, what's the incentive for sellers to offer returns? Because I think a lot of business is done by repeat buyers. There are whole bunch of card sellers on ebay. So unless you're a seller that sells very rare or hard to get cards, I don't think any buyers here are scared of being blocked. (However, I'm not going to publish my ebay id because I sell a few items here and there, and I don't want some vengeful nut screwing w/ my auctions.) So back to repeat buyers, I tend to buy a lot of cards (something like $14K in the last two months on ebay alone). And I tend to buy from the same sellers over and over again. One seller that went out of his way to let me return some things, and included some bonus items, I bought around 6 more items from him that weren't high on my want list. I mean there are some really great sellers out there. For one seller (luca82sdr), when I asked to combined shipping for a set I purchased along w/ a single card, which he couldn't combine, he went ahead and sent me the card separately with free shipping. And I only bought that card for ~$5. So there are sellers who are out there who really want to get great customer satisfaction and get more business, and then others who just b*tch about buyers dinging them.
<< <i>I completely agree $3 shipping for one card up to $8 for additional cards is completely fair. If someone dings you for that, it is wrong. Again, ebay buyers like me aren't complaining about this. It's when we see the actual shipping costs that was paid to the Post Office is significantly less than was charged.
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This is exactly the reason why sellers should use a service like paypal click/ship to hide actual shipping costs.
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ACTUAL SHIPPING COST, there is ZERO need for a "handling" cost!
now another 3-4 pages of nonsense!
Yes, I agree, actual shipping charges...if you sell a $50 card the ACTUAL shipping cost (including DC and insurance) will be $4.00.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Sellers can charge whatever the hell they want for shipping charges!
If you don't like what the seller charges, stay the hell away from his auctions!
That way, you won't have to bi*ch about losing seventy-five cents, and we won't have to read your dum-azz threads every week.
Everyone wins.
I bought a card, not a gallon of gas for your Hummer.
<< <i>I gladly pay the stated sh charges. But when it comes time to rate them, it is a different story. I am glad ebay is trying to crack down on these sellers who use RICO influenced shipping prices, and blame it on handling.
I bought a card, not a gallon of gas for your Hummer. >>
Damn right, you did
You are obviously a non-seller, and so it is no surprise that you don't understand how time, gas, effort, etc represents value. Shipping and HANDLING means that I will
A) ship your item to you for what the post office charges PLUS cost of materials (which you inexplicably think are negligible) AND
Buyers who flip out when a $4 s/h charge doesn't match the $2.22 on the postage sticker are small-minded.
And let me say it again so we are clear: IF YOU THINK A SELLER'S SHIPPING CHARGE IS TOO HIGH, OR IF YOU SUSPECT THAT A SELLER IS TRYING TO CHARGE FOR (gasp!) HANDLING, MOVE TO THE NEXT AUCTION.
And like I said, the total ACTUAL cost of shipping and Dc and insurance on a $50 card is $4.00, so where do you come off saying $4.00 is gouging?
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
So you admit you are worse at customer service than walmart.
HaHaha
So you admit you are worse at customer service than walmart.
HaHaha
Nevermind, I made the mistake of believing I was asking a question to a person with some common sense. My bad. Carry on!
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>I gladly pay the stated sh charges. But when it comes time to rate them, it is a different story. I am glad ebay is trying to crack down on these sellers who use RICO influenced shipping prices, and blame it on handling.
And like I said, the total ACTUAL cost of shipping and Dc and insurance on a $50 card is $4.00, so where do you come off saying $4.00 is gouging? >>
If you spent $4, you get all 5's and a personal thank you email for your excellent shipping, when the card arrives.
I am talking about those that charge $4 to ship a card that they spent around $2 or less to ship!
<< <i>why if I buy an item from walmart it is .99 an item. They don't even GOUGE on handling.
So you admit you are worse at customer service than walmart.
HaHaha >>
You better believe that every single dime that Walmart spends on employee "handling" hours, shipping costs, etc are figured into that .99 that you pay. The fact that you don't get that gives me a clearer picture of who I'm arguing with. But I'm up late, anyway, so what the hell
Yet some sellers think $4 is acceptable only having ONE employee. I WILL pay for you time/effort/gas, just dont be surprised when your DSR's go downhill.
Unless you are gouging, you should have no problems with these statements, as a small time seller!
<< <i>AGAIN, you didn't see where I sold 2 lots and charges ACTUAL SHIPPING, all other costs were incurred by me. Including putting gas in my car(this is just so silly) do you actually record how much gas you burn? Why not have the PO pick the item up at your house? (you'd lose gouging material?) >>
If all I did was make a couple sales here and there, I wouldn't worry about it, either. But for many sellers, these extraneous expenses add up to a significant amount over time.
And just because you incur your own expenses, doesn't mean other sellers should also. It's a lousy business practice.
Why do you think the IRS allows sellers and other contractors the ability to deduct such expenses? It is because they have value.
<< <i>EXACTLY all of those people's "salaries" are figured in to the .99 shipping for wal mart
Yet some sellers think $4 is acceptable only having ONE employee. I WILL pay for you time/effort/gas, just dont be surprised when your DSR's go downhill.
Unless you are gouging, you should have no problems with these statements, as a small time seller! >>
I don't give a sh*t about my DSR's. Just pay me what I spent to get the item from my house to your door.
<< <i>why if I buy an item from walmart it is .99 an item. They don't even GOUGE on handling.
So you admit you are worse at customer service than walmart.
HaHaha >>
Wow, I just read this entire thread and I want my time back and about 10 - 15 Peoples Ebay ID's to block them.
Walmart probably pays less than a .25 for the item they are selling at .99 so if you don't think their is a handling/shipping charge on every item going out there doors you know nothing about business especially retail business, I own my own business and have been in retail for 31 years, my business model, as most do, allows me to support my family, grow my business and hopefully someday retire.
If you don't like to pay what the shipping charge is, as clearly stated, don't buy my stuff. Don't ding my Stars because you can't get my stuff at Walmart.
-John
P.S. I'm glad I don't depend on Ebay for a living, with all the narrow minded people out there that will screw with someone's livelihood for a damn buck.
Ebay ID: jrconcessi
Collecting 1993 Finest Refractors & All Refractors 1993 - 2001, 1964 Topps Psa 8.5 or Better
Soon to be Collecting 1966 Batman Color and all Hall of Famers in all Sports in as High a Grade as I can Afford.
They will pick your items up at your house for FREE, so why charge buyers the gas that you are already using on your daily travels?
I already paid them(your s/h), but now ebay wants me to rate them. Where if it is 1 card for $4, I am unsatisfied.
Its ebay; take it or leave it!
Do you have somewhere better to go?
Didn't think so! Or you all still wouldn't be complaining!
You pay for the product and the level of service (shipping service included).
I ONLY charge SLIGHTLY higher for Canadian orders as most go to Canada because I sell mainly hockey. Canadian orders actually DO require time to fill out customs forms AND drive to the post office.
US orders are simply printed off the computer and dropped in my mailbox. I reuse bubble mailers, cutting them to fit the card(s) and drop them into an envelope. Not to gloat, but from experience I'd say my shipping is and looks better than most. I also charge $2 to $3 for shipping raw cards, which is SLIGHTLY higher than the total ACTUAL cost.
for the record, eBay does not "expect" you to rate sellers, it's a voluntary addition to the transaction itself so they can compile numbers which have very little to do with individual efforts and policies of their constituents, US!!!, the people who hustle for and maintain an inventory of sports crap so people like you can brag about their latest find.....to EXPLOIT the system just because you're pissed off over a friggin pocket full of pennies is nothing short of ridiculous.
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I offer free shipping....and I would rather not deal with you.
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
<< <i>Would all those that would neg or bing for $4 please post your eBay ID's?
I offer free shipping....and I would rather not deal with you. >>
+1, out yourselves!
Jeff
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Ok, let us have another day of this.
I wonder what some do when confronted with a bill at a restaurant, does the calculator (set at 10%) come out?
"Lets see I spent 8.00 so I'll leave an 80 cent tip" Why should I pay for the waitress's gas?
Steve
<< <i>again on that note why should I have to pay for your gas. Is the only reason you ever leave your house to to go to the PO?
They will pick your items up at your house for FREE, so why charge buyers the gas that you are already using on your daily travels? >>
Skillow - some of us aren't selling .75 cent cards and don't want our packages 'left at home' for the mailman to pick up for free. some of us are selling higher dollar cards and we want our items scanned by the USPS at time of receipt and then handed to the postal clerk so we know the package is on it's way. also, many people don't have locked mail boxes to leave their packages in to be picked up.
when I leave for work I can take a right out of my street and go on my way. instead, on most mornings, I go the other direction, down the road several miles and go by the post office so I can mail the packages. plus, getting the package out at 8:30 am when the PO opens probably means my packages are arriving a full day earlier than if I had left the package at home and it was sitting in the mailman's truck until 4 pm.
you earlier commented on printer ink and how that should not be factored in. perhaps there is a walmart employee discount involved there but ink isn't cheap. I can easily spend $40 a month on ink.
<< <i>Would all those that would neg or bing for $4 please post your eBay ID's?
I offer free shipping....and I would rather not deal with you. >>
great idea...let's see some user id's
STEP 2: Read the terms of the auction.
STEP 3: Make mental note that gun is not being pressed against your temple.
STEP 4: After reviewing item description, seller reputation, price of item, and, of course, S & H charge..... make an informed decision that "yes, I wish to purchase this item".
STEP 5: Receive item safely, make mental note that seller strictly adhered to the terms of the contract that you came to him (or her) and agreed to.
STEP 6: Ponder the situation for a moment, and think about whether the threatening situation described in step 3 was applicable when you chose to buy the item (HINT: it was not applicable).
STEP 7: Complain about the seller anyway???!???!????
We have had enough people rally in support the thought process above to get this debate into Day 5!!!
-CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
*1956 Topps baseball- 97.4% complete, 7.24 GPA
*Clemente basic set: 85.0% complete, 7.89 GPA
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<< <i>Would all those that would neg or bing for $4 please post your eBay ID's?
I offer free shipping....and I would rather not deal with you. >>
great idea...let's see some user id's >>
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<< <i>Would all those that would neg or bing for $4 please post your eBay ID's?
I offer free shipping....and I would rather not deal with you. >>
great idea...let's see some user id's >>
I no longer leave neutral or negative feedback for shipping issues.
$4 to ship a card is okay. Use a bubble mailer, make sure the item(s) are secure inside, include invoice, have delivery confirmation. Labels instead of ugly handwriting is a plus.
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<< <i>There are the dumbest arguments here where people are talking past each other. First if an ebay seller offers free shipping and gets dinged on shipping charges, that's wrong. If an ebay seller charges $4 for shipping, and on the package the shipping cost (+insurance/confirmation) is around $4, and they get dinged, that is wrong. However, what other ebay buyers and I are complaining about is when the seller charges $4 for shipping, and when we look at the package, and it only took ~$2 to ship it to us (w/o delivery confirmation or insurance). That is where we ding DSR. And for sellers to say, you see my shipping costs, don't buy from me if you don't like it is the stupidest thing. If you don't want to be rated, don't sell on ebay. It's like all of those sellers who sell on ebay and complain about ebay's horrible policies (and I agree ebay has some real bad ones). Then, it's like telling the sellers, if you don't like ebay, don't sell there. If you don't like the DSR policy, don't sell on ebay. In the end, 90% of the sellers still suck it up, and sell on ebay because there are very few better alternatives. And they continue to complain about ebay b/c hey, it's a free country, and we can yap all we want. Same thing w/ ebay buyers. We see something we want to buy. We don't like the shipping charge, but assume that's what it costs to ship it us. We find that the actual shipping cost was less, and we ding. Free country, option is there. Just live with it. >>
There are a lot of factors like you mentioned above when taking into account to ding DSR or not. Not all auctions/listings are the same.
USPS insurance is a joke. I use it when I want to be covered in case they lose my package. This is something, in my opinion, a cost that should be picked up by the seller as the buyer already has enough insurance by paying with paypal (if the package does not arrive, or arrives damaged, or arrives but they changed their mind regardless of it your eBay listing says "No Returns," they will get their money back through a dispute/claim).
The importance of charging shipping is to put a value on the shipping. I used to have free shipping for all of my auctions. Then a buyer asked to return a card and I lost on the shipping. Also, for some strange reason, I was at 4.9 DSR for shipping even though I was charging nothing. After these situations I began charging shipping in case the card comes back, and to put an actual value on the shipping. I charge about $2.25-$3 for as many raw cards within the US and used to give the buyer the option of having cards shipped in a PWE for 75 cents, but now I need to purchase delivery confirmation, and it is cheaper through paypal click/ship, so that changed everything for me.
Graded cards start at $3 and go up $1/card up to $8 maximum. This has always worked for me and is fair to the buyer. Canadian shipping for graded cards is $4.50 and $1/card up to $12.50 maximum. Again, this works for me as shipping from Virginia to Ontario is about $8.50 maximum and Calgary $10-11 maximum. I also have to fill out custom forms, drive to the PO, and wait in line, unlike US orders which are put in my mailbox for pickup. I am seriously considering changing my Canadian shipping methods though and possibly charging more because there is a huge risk with shipping w/o delivery confirmation.
<< <i>...........Labels instead of ugly handwriting is a plus. >>
One of the dumber things I have read in this thread, and that's saying a lot.
<< <i>you are wrong
well, different people have different overhead, and I respect that and don't complain when I agree to pay X for shipping, but when a package arrives for $4 in a PWE with a stamp, the seller is not getting feedback from me.
Let's say that you buy a raw card for $5 on eBay agree for shipping $4. Your total is $9
Card arrives in a PWE, 0.44 stamp.
You decide, for whatever reason, the card needs to be returned. You have to purchase delivery confirmation and the package has to be a certain thickness for that DC. You're looking at about $2ish to ship the card back.
Card arrives to seller, he issues $5 refund, gets fees returned from eBay, and makes about $3.50 on the transaction.
What's to stop this seller from scamming/misrepresenting his items? DSR and feedback.
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<< <i>...........Labels instead of ugly handwriting is a plus. >>
One of the dumber things I have read in this thread, and that's saying a lot. >>
it was said in kidding.
I don't think you should really take returns into consideration here as these are exceptions and part of doing business. I've returned cards too. However remember that as the buyer I have to pay return shipping. So often I pay $4 to ship the card back, especially since I have to buy delivery confirmation also. (and insurance too if the card is fairly high valued) So that transaction just lost me money as a buyer, and I don't have a nice card to show for it. That's how it is. I did get to return the card, and now I can go buy more cards.
So, what's the incentive for sellers to offer returns? Because I think a lot of business is done by repeat buyers. There are whole bunch of card sellers on ebay. So unless you're a seller that sells very rare or hard to get cards, I don't think any buyers here are scared of being blocked. (However, I'm not going to publish my ebay id because I sell a few items here and there, and I don't want some vengeful nut screwing w/ my auctions.) So back to repeat buyers, I tend to buy a lot of cards (something like $14K in the last two months on ebay alone). And I tend to buy from the same sellers over and over again. One seller that went out of his way to let me return some things, and included some bonus items, I bought around 6 more items from him that weren't high on my want list. I mean there are some really great sellers out there. For one seller (luca82sdr), when I asked to combined shipping for a set I purchased along w/ a single card, which he couldn't combine, he went ahead and sent me the card separately with free shipping. And I only bought that card for ~$5. So there are sellers who are out there who really want to get great customer satisfaction and get more business, and then others who just b*tch about buyers dinging them.
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<< <i>I completely agree $3 shipping for one card up to $8 for additional cards is completely fair. If someone dings you for that, it is wrong. Again, ebay buyers like me aren't complaining about this. It's when we see the actual shipping costs that was paid to the Post Office is significantly less than was charged.
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This is exactly the reason why sellers should use a service like paypal click/ship to hide actual shipping costs.