<< <i>The shipping cost you quoted is for a 3 ounce first class mail, which is definitely too much since we're talking about a single card in a top loader/card saver. >>
You are missing the boat here........you are talking about raw cards vs slabbed cards......a slabbed card weighs 3 oz, more if it is a tallboy.
You know what else gets me?? People complain about $4 a card from everyday selllers - does anyone have ANY idea what prewarcardcollector charges for a single graded PSA card?? Anyone - Anyone - Bueller?????? I will give you a hint - it is MORE than $4!!!! Yet noone says anything about his shipping charges.....instead, everyone raves about what a great seller he is......
<< <i>The shipping cost you quoted is for a 3 ounce first class mail, which is definitely too much since we're talking about a single card in a top loader/card saver. >>
You are missing the boat here........you are talking about raw cards vs slabbed cards......a slabbed card weighs 3 oz, more if it is a tallboy.
You know what else gets me?? People complain about $4 a card from everyday selllers - does anyone have ANY idea what prewarcardcollector charges for a single graded PSA card?? Anyone - Anyone - Bueller?????? I will give you a hint - it is MORE than $4!!!! Yet noone says anything about his shipping charges.....instead, everyone raves about what a great seller he is...... >>
I think we have been talking about different transactions all day... I'm talking about the sub $25 cards - and obviously tall boyz will will cost more to ship. ...and I will complain about any seller that charges $4+ on any card with a value under $25.
<< <i>The shipping cost you quoted is for a 3 ounce first class mail, which is definitely too much since we're talking about a single card in a top loader/card saver. >>
You are missing the boat here........you are talking about raw cards vs slabbed cards......a slabbed card weighs 3 oz, more if it is a tallboy.
You know what else gets me?? People complain about $4 a card from everyday selllers - does anyone have ANY idea what prewarcardcollector charges for a single graded PSA card?? Anyone - Anyone - Bueller?????? I will give you a hint - it is MORE than $4!!!! Yet noone says anything about his shipping charges.....instead, everyone raves about what a great seller he is...... >>
so are you saying he falls asleep at night while counting sheep?? Bobby - Bobby - Anyone?????? i think both the OP & PWCC charge what they charge because their business model demands it, since the value of their completed auctions tend to be higher on average, for individual or multiple auctions won, they must account for that.....what can't be accounted for is a random a-hole buying one lousy card and taking advantage of eBay's flawed system, while the majority of buyers tend to think and respond more realistically.
<< <i>The shipping cost you quoted is for a 3 ounce first class mail, which is definitely too much since we're talking about a single card in a top loader/card saver. >>
You are missing the boat here........you are talking about raw cards vs slabbed cards......a slabbed card weighs 3 oz, more if it is a tallboy.
You know what else gets me?? People complain about $4 a card from everyday selllers - does anyone have ANY idea what prewarcardcollector charges for a single graded PSA card?? Anyone - Anyone - Bueller?????? I will give you a hint - it is MORE than $4!!!! Yet noone says anything about his shipping charges.....instead, everyone raves about what a great seller he is...... >>
In neither yours nor the OP was there a mention of selling graded/slabbed cards so don't get your feathers all ruffled.
1 extra ounce - .17 for PSA, 2 extra ounces for BGS - .34
Everything else stands for a single card sale unless its a BGS slab. Eliminate the need for a top loader and get a graded card sleeve for 2-3 cents.
Was my understanding we're talking about the average, majority cards that are bought and sold, not tall boys or some extra sized cards.
As for prewarcardcollector, I don't have an opinion. I've never dealt with him. Does he get disturbed when he gets a neutral for his high shipping costs? I'm going to guess he just pockets the extra profit and never checks his DSRs.
Bottom line....to get dinged over a $4.00 shipping charge is the most assanine thing I have ever heard of and I am guessing the people that do that have no concept of how much it cost to ship cards. I can see dinging someone if they ship it in a PWE, but it someone carefully packs and delivers your card promptly in a safe and secure manner, and only charges $4 to ship it, and if they get dinged in the process....let's just say I won't be selling to that buyer anymore.
on a side note.....my last order from Memory Lane auctions.....guess how much....anyone....anyone?? Try $42 shipping!!! If you think $4 is too high, try winning some cards from ML, REA, Huggins & Scott or any of the other big auction houses......
I normally charge $3.00 for shipping when I do a set break of raw cards. But in this particular auction, there were over 200+ graded cards as well. It does cost me right around $4.00 to ship one PSA card, while many sellers charge anywhere from that to $8. When I'm breaking a set that has both raw and graded cards my shipping is always $4. I rarely have anyone who purchases only one raw cards, but it does happen sometimes. But to get back my original point, I don't care if I say my shipping is going to be $20 for one raw card, the $4.00 was exactly what was quoted in the listing. No hidden surprises, therefore no reason to leave a neutral feedback. And BTW, I've had dealings with many of the board members here on and off of Ebay. I've often given them breaks on shipping several cards, I think they can attest to the fact that my packages are not cheaply put together nor am I out to make money on shipping.
From what I can tell, 707 is the DOLLAR STORE compared to deans_cards. For what that guy charges, if I ever bought anything from him I would expect it to be delivered to me in a frickin' limo. ~WalterSobchak
PS - I am sure some of the board members here won some lots from Robert Edwards......I know I did. I paid $35 for shipping one lot of (6)....that's right.....6....PSA graded cards....the shipping charge? $35. Would I ever not buy from REA because I thought they overcharged for shipping? No. It just amazes me that some people are willing to ding an honest Ebay seller over a $4 charge to ship a graded card (when it sometimes cost MORE than that to ship said card), yet REA and ML can charge over $30 for a package and noone blinks an eye......
I just paid $67 shipping on a Memory Lane auction. And because I bought something I really wanted, I never gave it a second thought.
From what I can tell, 707 is the DOLLAR STORE compared to deans_cards. For what that guy charges, if I ever bought anything from him I would expect it to be delivered to me in a frickin' limo. ~WalterSobchak
What DSR's do the auction houses have? If they had feedback or DSR's, you'd be sure to neg and ding the hell out of em.
Seriously though, some problems can be solved by using BINs with shipping charges factored in. Buyers will compare prices and your 9.99 dlvd price can look better than the other seller who lists for 5.99 with $4 S&H.
You might not agree, but I can see how a buyer feels about paying $4 shipping for a $4 card. . . When you as a seller put your items out for the public to purchase, you have to accept their opinions as well. Not that you have to agree with it, just like he doesn't agree with yours.
Sorry, I agree with the buyer here. I think the reason that ebay and people have that shipping rating is that in the past, and even to some extent now, sellers would put a lower reserve on an item to avoid fees, but instead build that reserve into a higher shipping charge, which is not part of the fee process for ebay. Therefore, to avoid these "hidden" reserves, ebay instituted this policy, which I believe is the right one. And the fact of the matter is, if you say that you're charging $4 for shipping for an item, as a buyer, I full expect you to spend ~$4 in shipping to send it to me. If I see the postage only cost you $1.50, I will definitely ding you in rating. (Probably not in the neutral feedback, but most definitely in the shipping additional feedback.) If sending first class will only cost $1.50, send it to me in priority to get to $4 shipping charge, since you said that's what it's going to cost you.
what's really regretable here, is that the buyer did not take the tactful route by contacting the seller to express dissatisfaction....had that happened, he may have been compensated.
BTW, the seller here is a class act, and i can testify to that from personal experience.
"... It just amazes me that some people are willing to ding an honest Ebay seller over a $4 charge to ship a graded card (when it sometimes cost MORE than that to ship said card), yet REA and ML can charge over $30 for a package and noone blinks an eye...... "
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It does not amaze me.
Those companies are real businesses with real expenses and they need to make as much profit on every transaction as they possibly can.
EBAY sellers are just a bunch of idiot peasants, who are lucky that charitable buyers are willing to do biznez with them.
/sarc
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
"...And the fact of the matter is, if you say that you're charging $4 for shipping for an item, as a buyer, I full expect you to spend ~$4 in shipping to send it to me. If I see the postage only cost you $1.50, I will definitely ding you in rating. (Probably not in the neutral feedback, but most definitely in the shipping additional feedback.) If sending first class will only cost $1.50, send it to me in priority to get to $4 shipping charge, since you said that's what it's going to cost you. ...."
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Postage is just one element of the S+H charge.
A PayPal-compliant Priority Mail item costs close to $6.00 at the retail window. $7+, if insured for the minimum.
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There used to be nothing wrong with EBAY that a prolonged seller-boycott would not have fixed.
Now, since non-mega-sellers are no longer needed, there is not much left to fix. An expectant-class of overbearing buyers - and criminals masquerading as buyers - has taken over what used to be a safe/fun/pleasant gathering of "trading partners."
Soon, the mega-sellers and the current crop of buyers will get exactly what they deserve: Each Other.
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
A PSA card in 4x4x6 box with bubble wrap weighs 4.2 ounces. I do this every day.
From what I can tell, 707 is the DOLLAR STORE compared to deans_cards. For what that guy charges, if I ever bought anything from him I would expect it to be delivered to me in a frickin' limo. ~WalterSobchak
A PSA graded card, wrapped in bubble wrap in a #0 bubble mailer weighs 2.3 oz. (and that is IF it is a normal sized issue). Unfortunately, the post office makes you round UP, so the 2.3 oz now becomes 3 oz.....I ship these things all the time...not sure where your weight is coming from? Are you putting a stamp on the actual slab itself and writing the address in magic marker across the front of it????
<< <i>I cannot believe this topic is going to its 4th page! Don't buy the damn card if you don't want to pay $4 to get it. >>
But if I need the card I will pay for it... but that does not mean I'll be happy about it, and eBay is nice enough to allow me a forum for my displeasure so be it.
If I can ship out a card as a seller for around $2.00-2.50 than I expect the seller to be able to do the same - for me it's as simple as that.
<< <i>If I can ship out a card as a seller for around $2.00-2.50 than I expect the seller to be able to do the same - for me it's as simple as that. >>
The sellers who charge that little...I have bought from them. They charge that little but the actual postage 95% winds up being more. I can appreciate sellers who eat some of the shippping. I give them 5 stars. The sellers who charge $5 get 5 stars too. As long as I get my card fast and safe, I give 5 stars (key word being FAST "Tripleplayvintage" - Don't take 3 weeks to get me my card!!) I'm sorry, but I lose enough money when I give cards away via auctions. If I charge less than what it actually cost me to ship a card out, then that is like adding salt to the wound. Granted, some cards cost less...some cards cost more.....I think it is easier to charge a flat fee, give fast, good service and be done with it. I am through with this thread!
<< <i>A PSA card in 4x4x6 box with bubble wrap weighs 4.2 ounces. I do this every day. >>
Why not send PSA cards in a graded card sleeve (to prevent case from getting scratched) in a bubble mailer? Round up to 3 ounces instead of 5. No idea how much the boxes are costing you.
<< <i>Bubble envelope-$.46, 2 rigid card holders-$.16, shipping cost $1.76, delivery confirmation-$.19, printing costs? (labels, ink, tape) Hmm, looks a little higher than your $2.00 estimate. It's not much, but Ebay and Paypal take their %'s out too. Of course my time involved is worthless. Like I said before, when I ship several cards at $4.00 and it costs me $5.00 or $6.00, I'm not complaining. And again, if the buyer thought my shipping costs were too high when he viewed my listing, move on. >>
Let me get this straight...you charge approximately $2 for your time to drop a card in a mailer, while the post office charges the same to carry your card to the other side of the country...
A PSA slabbed card with bubble wrap and also wrapped around the body of Prince Fielder weighs 290 LBS and 3 ozs.
There are some people on these boards that will not give 5 stars on shipping unless it's free. I remember that on an earlier thread. They need their ass kicked.
<< <i>For $4 it better be shipped in a priority flat rate box. Or else the sellers DSRs will get a hit. I am not paying for your gas to get to the PO. >>
Once again, I HAVE TO ASK....WHEN DID YOU LAST SHIP SOMETHING OUT!?!?!??!?! Priority Mail Flat Rate Box....guess the price....anyone....anyone.........?????? Here is a HINT!!! THE SMALLEST BOX=MORE THAN $4!!!!! Some people need to get with the program!
With this new DSR system, sellers can't win, unless the Shipping is FREE, and contrary to popular belief, sellers shipping costs ARE NOT FREE (as much as Ebay is pushing for sellers to give away free shipping)..... For a buyer to threaten to ding a seller over a $3-$4 charge is INSANE!!!! $8-$10...yes....that is too high (then again, if we are talking a $1,000 card, then that is STILL cheap!!!)....Ebay has placed too much power into the buyer's hands, and alot of buyers really have no clue about how much things cost......
I will go into the post office tomorrow and ask them if we can work a deal where they don't charge me to ship cards sold from Ebay. Then I will go into Walmart and see if they will give me boxes, bubble wrap, labels, padded mailers, and tape for nothing so I can lower my shipping charge.
From what I can tell, 707 is the DOLLAR STORE compared to deans_cards. For what that guy charges, if I ever bought anything from him I would expect it to be delivered to me in a frickin' limo. ~WalterSobchak
<< <i>For $4 it better be shipped in a priority flat rate box. Or else the sellers DSRs will get a hit. I am not paying for your gas to get to the PO. >>
Once again, I HAVE TO ASK....WHEN DID YOU LAST SHIP SOMETHING OUT!?!?!??!?! Priority Mail Flat Rate Box....guess the price....anyone....anyone.........?????? Here is a HINT!!! THE SMALLEST BOX=MORE THAN $4!!!!! Some people need to get with the program!
With this new DSR system, sellers can't win, unless the Shipping is FREE, and contrary to popular belief, sellers shipping costs ARE NOT FREE (as much as Ebay is pushing for sellers to give away free shipping)..... For a buyer to threaten to ding a seller over a $3-$4 charge is INSANE!!!! $8-$10...yes....that is too high (then again, if we are talking a $1,000 card, then that is STILL cheap!!!)....Ebay has placed too much power into the buyer's hands, and alot of buyers really have no clue about how much things cost...... >>
I purchased 9 cards from a seller on ebay. The seller was super nice and only charged me $1.50 to ship all nine cards first class via a bubble mailer. Each card was placed in a top loader, and arrived in good condition. Total cost on the envelope: $1.90. No delivery confirmation. The seller re-used a bubble envelope that he got before when he purchased something, so I definitely applaud that seller for "recycling," and I don't dock him any points there.
I purchased another graded card that was slabbed. Cost of shipping on the bubble wrapper: $2.19 + the cost of delivery confirmation which this seller did use.
As buyers on ebay, we just look at the cost of shipping on the package. If it's a lot less than the cost that the seller charge (and taking into account delivery confirmation/insurance), they're going to get docked. I don't see anything unfair about that and why sellers would whine about it.
No delivery confirmation. The seller re-used a bubble envelope that he got before when he purchased something, so I definitely applaud that seller for "recycling," and I don't dock him any points there.
Not using DC for all items, except maybe those under $10 is a very poor policy as there are many scammer buyers out there who consider a package without DC to be a gift. To me, it's not so much the cost of shipping, but the insurance cost which must be factored in if you're going to sell high-end items, as not purchasing insurance is very unwise if you are a seller, and insurance is at least an extra couple of bucks for anything under $100. So that $75 card you sell on ebay really costs more than $4.00 to ship when you factor that in.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>I will go into the post office tomorrow and ask them if we can work a deal where they don't charge me to ship cards sold from Ebay. Then I will go into Walmart and see if they will give me boxes, bubble wrap, labels, padded mailers, and tape for nothing so I can lower my shipping charge. >>
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You buy boxes, bubble wrap and labels?
They're called "bubble" mailers for a reason, you know
For a normal PSA card with a value of under, say, $100, put it in a graded card sleeve and then in a bubble mailer that you buy in bulk - not at Walmart by the half dozen. Couple of peanuts if you want to be on the safe side, get your label through Paypal and off it goes.
If you're selling high dollar single items, eat the extra .85 and send a card or two via USPS Priority Mail flat rate small boxes. They're free, just order a few bundles from USPS - again, for free. Print it on a label sheet if you want and just slap it on the box (or bubble mailer) and you don't even need tape, although I would always tape the opening.
I went to the Japanese steakhouse....for two people, the bill came out to over $100.....I know DARN WELL, it did not cost them $100+ dollars for two tiny steaks, a couple of shrimps amd some noodles....at MOST they have around $8-$10 dollars in food. I wish there was a way I could ding the Japanese Steakhouse and drive them out of business.
Sorry....this thread just gets my goat....I promise to refund all my card buyers the .50 I overcharged them by.......However for all the people whose shipping charge was alot more than the $4 fee I charged, I expect a full refund by the end of next week!
It's not often you see a non Dr. Lou- initiated thread become this hot of a topic.
FWIW, my opinion is that if the seller charges the buyer the exact stated shipping price in the auction, and the item arrives undamaged, the buyer has no justification or right whatsoever to complain about shipping charges. I don't care if it's $10 to ship a $5 card.... you knew, in no uncertain terms, what the shipping charge was going to be- and you agreed to pay it.
'Sir, I realize it's been difficult for you to sleep at night without your EX/MT 1977 Topps Tom Seaver, but I swear to you that you'll get it safe and sound.' -CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
<< <i>I will go into the post office tomorrow and ask them if we can work a deal where they don't charge me to ship cards sold from Ebay. Then I will go into Walmart and see if they will give me boxes, bubble wrap, labels, padded mailers, and tape for nothing so I can lower my shipping charge. >>
Good luck with that... maybe you should just buy in bulk, use paypal with del confirmation, recycle some old packing peanuts and call it a day or you could just continue to complain about good buyers that paid on time.
<< <i>It's not often you see a non Dr. Lou- initiated thread become this hot of a topic.
FWIW, my opinion is that if the seller charges the buyer the exact stated shipping price in the auction, and the item arrives undamaged, the buyer has no justification or right whatsoever to complain about shipping charges. I don't care if it's $10 to ship a $5 card.... you knew, in no uncertain terms, what the shipping charge was going to be- and you agreed to pay it. >>
Welcome to ebay... if you as a seller don't like the way ebay allows it's buyers to leave feedback than don't sell on ebay. I can almost guarantee if the seller charged less for shipping there would have been no neutral given.
Plain and simple the OP has 3 options.
A. Keep selling and ignore the feedback system B. Adjust Shipping charges / find ways to provide same great service via cheaper means (it's been spelled out how to accomplish this) C. Stop selling on eBay and find a new sandbox to play in.
perhaps you should temper your opinion a bit here, the seller is not some weekend warrior, this guy sells THOUSANDS of items in a short period of time while most of us flounder about with our few special items that will earn us an early retirement.....lighten up, his record speaks for itself......i'd like to see any of you penny pinchers in denial do what this guy does and maintain a rating that good.
This thread never ceases to amaze me!! ......If I charged a buyer $4 to ship a card, and it cost me $6 to ship it out, and the buyer dings my stars with a 1 or 2, I would be FURIOUS!!!!!
Those buyers that are thinking a graded card is only $1-$2 to ship are living in a dream world. There are so many intagibles that these people are not even accounting for in regards to shipping fees. Is a seller not allowed to recoup anything? Labels? - write it off! Bubble mailers? - recycle your old ones......I just believe this is absurd!
Most items are sold on Ebay without sales tax for pete's sake! I have NEVER dinged someones stars for shipping charges and I have paid $6 when it obviously cost less. To ding someone for charging $4 if in actuality it cost him $3+ is just ASSANINE!!!!
Let me address something Jeff wrote yesterday that is probably the reason I'm most upset about this situation. If the buyer was upset about my shipping charge, his best option would have been to contact me about it. When I offer a multiple card shipping rate buyers that end up winning more than a few cards get a good deal on shipping. I'm always willing to eat some of the costs when buyers purchase a large amount of cards from me. But if the buyer in this instance contacted me saying since he only bought one card could I help him out with the shipping, chances are I would have sent him a dollar back along with his card. Seeing his first communication on this issue was a neutral feedback, in my opinion it does make him a d-bag buyer.
From what I can tell, 707 is the DOLLAR STORE compared to deans_cards. For what that guy charges, if I ever bought anything from him I would expect it to be delivered to me in a frickin' limo. ~WalterSobchak
<< <i>......if the buyer in this instance contacted me saying since he only bought one card could I help him out with the shipping, chances are I would have sent him a dollar back along with his card. Seeing his first communication on this issue was a neutral feedback, in my opinion it does make him a d-bag buyer. >>
The mere fact that he knew exactly what the shipping cost was, chose to bid on the item anyway, and then had the audacity to b*tch after the fact about being charged the precise amount he agreed to pay makes him a d-bag buyer either way.
And yes, I understand "that's the way it is on EBay, and if you don't like their policies you don't have to sell there". That statement doesn't make the buyer's actions here any less nauseating.
'Sir, I realize it's been difficult for you to sleep at night without your EX/MT 1977 Topps Tom Seaver, but I swear to you that you'll get it safe and sound.' -CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
This is for the idiot buyers that can't read an auction and see how much shipping is? please send me your ebay id so I can block you.
everyone has different business models they use, and when bidding just figure the cost of shipping in on your maximum bid.
for the record cheapest priority mail (when going to the post office) is 4.90 + .70 for DC = 5.60
I don't use paypal for printing labels & DC because sometimes they don't get scanned at the post office.
also for those complaining about shipping costs , maybe that is why you won the auction so cheap , because the other bidders figured in the shipping costs before they bid.
I don't care how much shipping is be it 1.00 or 15.00 as long as the item shows up safe and in good condition.
for those that just throw PSA graded cards in a bubble mailer and ship wait till one gets cracked or damaged because you didn't use more bubble wrap or 2 pieces of cardboard to protect it better. JMHO
<< <i>Let me address something Jeff wrote yesterday that is probably the reason I'm most upset about this situation. If the buyer was upset about my shipping charge, his best option would have been to contact me about it. When I offer a multiple card shipping rate buyers that end up winning more than a few cards get a good deal on shipping. I'm always willing to eat some of the costs when buyers purchase a large amount of cards from me. But if the buyer in this instance contacted me saying since he only bought one card could I help him out with the shipping, chances are I would have sent him a dollar back along with his card. Seeing his first communication on this issue was a neutral feedback, in my opinion it does make him a d-bag buyer. >>
A good friend of mine used to say: "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains."
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<< <i>The shipping cost you quoted is for a 3 ounce first class mail, which is definitely too much since we're talking about a single card in a top loader/card saver. >>
You are missing the boat here........you are talking about raw cards vs slabbed cards......a slabbed card weighs 3 oz, more if it is a tallboy.
You know what else gets me?? People complain about $4 a card from everyday selllers - does anyone have ANY idea what prewarcardcollector charges for a single graded PSA card?? Anyone - Anyone - Bueller?????? I will give you a hint - it is MORE than $4!!!! Yet noone says anything about his shipping charges.....instead, everyone raves about what a great seller he is......
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<< <i>The shipping cost you quoted is for a 3 ounce first class mail, which is definitely too much since we're talking about a single card in a top loader/card saver. >>
You are missing the boat here........you are talking about raw cards vs slabbed cards......a slabbed card weighs 3 oz, more if it is a tallboy.
You know what else gets me?? People complain about $4 a card from everyday selllers - does anyone have ANY idea what prewarcardcollector charges for a single graded PSA card?? Anyone - Anyone - Bueller?????? I will give you a hint - it is MORE than $4!!!! Yet noone says anything about his shipping charges.....instead, everyone raves about what a great seller he is...... >>
I think we have been talking about different transactions all day... I'm talking about the sub $25 cards - and obviously tall boyz will will cost more to ship. ...and I will complain about any seller that charges $4+ on any card with a value under $25.
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<< <i>The shipping cost you quoted is for a 3 ounce first class mail, which is definitely too much since we're talking about a single card in a top loader/card saver. >>
You are missing the boat here........you are talking about raw cards vs slabbed cards......a slabbed card weighs 3 oz, more if it is a tallboy.
You know what else gets me?? People complain about $4 a card from everyday selllers - does anyone have ANY idea what prewarcardcollector charges for a single graded PSA card?? Anyone - Anyone - Bueller?????? I will give you a hint - it is MORE than $4!!!! Yet noone says anything about his shipping charges.....instead, everyone raves about what a great seller he is...... >>
so are you saying he falls asleep at night while counting sheep?? Bobby - Bobby - Anyone?????? i think both the OP & PWCC charge what they charge because their business model demands it, since the value of their completed auctions tend to be higher on average, for individual or multiple auctions won, they must account for that.....what can't be accounted for is a random a-hole buying one lousy card and taking advantage of eBay's flawed system, while the majority of buyers tend to think and respond more realistically.
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<< <i>The shipping cost you quoted is for a 3 ounce first class mail, which is definitely too much since we're talking about a single card in a top loader/card saver. >>
You are missing the boat here........you are talking about raw cards vs slabbed cards......a slabbed card weighs 3 oz, more if it is a tallboy.
You know what else gets me?? People complain about $4 a card from everyday selllers - does anyone have ANY idea what prewarcardcollector charges for a single graded PSA card?? Anyone - Anyone - Bueller?????? I will give you a hint - it is MORE than $4!!!! Yet noone says anything about his shipping charges.....instead, everyone raves about what a great seller he is...... >>
In neither yours nor the OP was there a mention of selling graded/slabbed cards so don't get your feathers all ruffled.
1 extra ounce - .17 for PSA, 2 extra ounces for BGS - .34
Everything else stands for a single card sale unless its a BGS slab. Eliminate the need for a top loader and get a graded card sleeve for 2-3 cents.
Was my understanding we're talking about the average, majority cards that are bought and sold, not tall boys or some extra sized cards.
As for prewarcardcollector, I don't have an opinion. I've never dealt with him. Does he get disturbed when he gets a neutral for his high shipping costs? I'm going to guess he just pockets the extra profit and never checks his DSRs.
on a side note.....my last order from Memory Lane auctions.....guess how much....anyone....anyone?? Try $42 shipping!!! If you think $4 is too high, try winning some cards from ML, REA, Huggins & Scott or any of the other big auction houses......
~WalterSobchak
~WalterSobchak
Seriously though, some problems can be solved by using BINs with shipping charges factored in. Buyers will compare prices and your 9.99 dlvd price can look better than the other seller who lists for 5.99 with $4 S&H.
You might not agree, but I can see how a buyer feels about paying $4 shipping for a $4 card. . . When you as a seller put your items out for the public to purchase, you have to accept their opinions as well. Not that you have to agree with it, just like he doesn't agree with yours.
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what's really regretable here, is that the buyer did not take the tactful route by contacting the seller to express dissatisfaction....had that happened, he may have been compensated.
BTW, the seller here is a class act, and i can testify to that from personal experience.
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It does not amaze me.
Those companies are real businesses with real expenses and
they need to make as much profit on every transaction as
they possibly can.
EBAY sellers are just a bunch of idiot peasants, who are lucky
that charitable buyers are willing to do biznez with them.
/sarc
<< <i>I cannot believe this topic is going to its 4th page! Don't buy the damn card if you don't want to pay $4 to get it. >>
LMFAO @ MEXPO!!!!! I think gas should be 11 cent a gallon! I wish I could ding every single gas station from here to Honolulu!
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Postage is just one element of the S+H charge.
A PayPal-compliant Priority Mail item costs close to $6.00
at the retail window. $7+, if insured for the minimum.
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There used to be nothing wrong with EBAY that a prolonged
seller-boycott would not have fixed.
Now, since non-mega-sellers are no longer needed, there
is not much left to fix. An expectant-class of overbearing
buyers - and criminals masquerading as buyers - has taken
over what used to be a safe/fun/pleasant gathering of
"trading partners."
Soon, the mega-sellers and the current crop of buyers will
get exactly what they deserve: Each Other.
<< <i>......a slabbed card weighs 3 oz...... >>
A PSA slab with a 2 1/2" X 3 1/2" card in it weighs 1.5 ounces.
An SGC slab with a 2 1/2" X 3 1/2" card in it weighs 2.5 ounces.
A BGS slab with a 2 1/2" X 3 1/2" card in it weighs 2.5 ounces.
A GAI slab with a 2 1/2" X 3 1/2" card in it weighs 1.8 ounces.
~WalterSobchak
<< <i>I cannot believe this topic is going to its 4th page! Don't buy the damn card if you don't want to pay $4 to get it. >>
But if I need the card I will pay for it... but that does not mean I'll be happy about it, and eBay is nice enough to allow me a forum for my displeasure so be it.
If I can ship out a card as a seller for around $2.00-2.50 than I expect the seller to be able to do the same - for me it's as simple as that.
<< <i>If I can ship out a card as a seller for around $2.00-2.50 than I expect the seller to be able to do the same - for me it's as simple as that. >>
The sellers who charge that little...I have bought from them. They charge that little but the actual postage 95% winds up being more. I can appreciate sellers who eat some of the shippping. I give them 5 stars. The sellers who charge $5 get 5 stars too. As long as I get my card fast and safe, I give 5 stars (key word being FAST "Tripleplayvintage" - Don't take 3 weeks to get me my card!!) I'm sorry, but I lose enough money when I give cards away via auctions. If I charge less than what it actually cost me to ship a card out, then that is like adding salt to the wound. Granted, some cards cost less...some cards cost more.....I think it is easier to charge a flat fee, give fast, good service and be done with it. I am through with this thread!
<< <i>A PSA card in 4x4x6 box with bubble wrap weighs 4.2 ounces. I do this every day. >>
Why not send PSA cards in a graded card sleeve (to prevent case from getting scratched) in a bubble mailer? Round up to 3 ounces instead of 5. No idea how much the boxes are costing you.
<< <i>I cannot believe this topic is going to its 4th page! Don't buy the damn card if you don't want to pay $4 to get it. >>
It's that simple folks.
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Ralph
<< <i>Bubble envelope-$.46, 2 rigid card holders-$.16, shipping cost $1.76, delivery confirmation-$.19, printing costs? (labels, ink, tape) Hmm, looks a little higher than your $2.00 estimate. It's not much, but Ebay and Paypal take their %'s out too. Of course my time involved is worthless. Like I said before, when I ship several cards at $4.00 and it costs me $5.00 or $6.00, I'm not complaining. And again, if the buyer thought my shipping costs were too high when he viewed my listing, move on. >>
Let me get this straight...you charge approximately $2 for your time to drop a card in a mailer, while the post office charges the same to carry your card to the other side of the country...
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Steve
There are some people on these boards that will not give 5 stars on shipping unless it's free. I remember that on an earlier thread. They need their ass kicked.
<< <i>For $4 it better be shipped in a priority flat rate box. Or else the sellers DSRs will get a hit. I am not paying for your gas to get to the PO. >>
Once again, I HAVE TO ASK....WHEN DID YOU LAST SHIP SOMETHING OUT!?!?!??!?! Priority Mail Flat Rate Box....guess the price....anyone....anyone.........?????? Here is a HINT!!! THE SMALLEST BOX=MORE THAN $4!!!!! Some people need to get with the program!
With this new DSR system, sellers can't win, unless the Shipping is FREE, and contrary to popular belief, sellers shipping costs ARE NOT FREE (as much as Ebay is pushing for sellers to give away free shipping)..... For a buyer to threaten to ding a seller over a $3-$4 charge is INSANE!!!! $8-$10...yes....that is too high (then again, if we are talking a $1,000 card, then that is STILL cheap!!!)....Ebay has placed too much power into the buyer's hands, and alot of buyers really have no clue about how much things cost......
~WalterSobchak
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<< <i>For $4 it better be shipped in a priority flat rate box. Or else the sellers DSRs will get a hit. I am not paying for your gas to get to the PO. >>
Once again, I HAVE TO ASK....WHEN DID YOU LAST SHIP SOMETHING OUT!?!?!??!?! Priority Mail Flat Rate Box....guess the price....anyone....anyone.........?????? Here is a HINT!!! THE SMALLEST BOX=MORE THAN $4!!!!! Some people need to get with the program!
With this new DSR system, sellers can't win, unless the Shipping is FREE, and contrary to popular belief, sellers shipping costs ARE NOT FREE (as much as Ebay is pushing for sellers to give away free shipping)..... For a buyer to threaten to ding a seller over a $3-$4 charge is INSANE!!!! $8-$10...yes....that is too high (then again, if we are talking a $1,000 card, then that is STILL cheap!!!)....Ebay has placed too much power into the buyer's hands, and alot of buyers really have no clue about how much things cost...... >>
I purchased 9 cards from a seller on ebay. The seller was super nice and only charged me $1.50 to ship all nine cards first class via a bubble mailer. Each card was placed in a top loader, and arrived in good condition. Total cost on the envelope: $1.90. No delivery confirmation. The seller re-used a bubble envelope that he got before when he purchased something, so I definitely applaud that seller for "recycling," and I don't dock him any points there.
I purchased another graded card that was slabbed. Cost of shipping on the bubble wrapper: $2.19 + the cost of delivery confirmation which this seller did use.
As buyers on ebay, we just look at the cost of shipping on the package. If it's a lot less than the cost that the seller charge (and taking into account delivery confirmation/insurance), they're going to get docked. I don't see anything unfair about that and why sellers would whine about it.
Lou Gehrig Master Set
Non-Registry Collection
Game Used Cards Collection
Not using DC for all items, except maybe those under $10 is a very poor policy as there are many scammer buyers out there who consider a package without DC to be a gift. To me, it's not so much the cost of shipping, but the insurance cost which must be factored in if you're going to sell high-end items, as not purchasing insurance is very unwise if you are a seller, and insurance is at least an extra couple of bucks for anything under $100. So that $75 card you sell on ebay really costs more than $4.00 to ship when you factor that in.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>I will go into the post office tomorrow and ask them if we can work a deal where they don't charge me to ship cards sold from Ebay. Then I will go into Walmart and see if they will give me boxes, bubble wrap, labels, padded mailers, and tape for nothing so I can lower my shipping charge. >>
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You buy boxes, bubble wrap and labels?
They're called "bubble" mailers for a reason, you know
For a normal PSA card with a value of under, say, $100, put it in a graded card sleeve and then in a bubble mailer that you buy in bulk - not at Walmart by the half dozen. Couple of peanuts if you want to be on the safe side, get your label through Paypal and off it goes.
If you're selling high dollar single items, eat the extra .85 and send a card or two via USPS Priority Mail flat rate small boxes. They're free, just order a few bundles from USPS - again, for free. Print it on a label sheet if you want and just slap it on the box (or bubble mailer) and you don't even need tape, although I would always tape the opening.
Steve
Sorry....this thread just gets my goat....I promise to refund all my card buyers the .50 I overcharged them by.......However for all the people whose shipping charge was alot more than the $4 fee I charged, I expect a full refund by the end of next week!
It appears that your pants are now on fire.
<< <i> Are you putting a stamp on the actual slab itself and writing the address in magic marker across the front of it????
Wait a minute....This isn't how your supposed to send a Card....Shoot!!!!!
Neil
FWIW, my opinion is that if the seller charges the buyer the exact stated shipping price in the auction, and the item arrives undamaged, the buyer has no justification or right whatsoever to complain about shipping charges. I don't care if it's $10 to ship a $5 card.... you knew, in no uncertain terms, what the shipping charge was going to be- and you agreed to pay it.
-CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
*1956 Topps baseball- 97.4% complete, 7.24 GPA
*Clemente basic set: 85.0% complete, 7.89 GPA
<< <i>I will go into the post office tomorrow and ask them if we can work a deal where they don't charge me to ship cards sold from Ebay. Then I will go into Walmart and see if they will give me boxes, bubble wrap, labels, padded mailers, and tape for nothing so I can lower my shipping charge. >>
Good luck with that... maybe you should just buy in bulk, use paypal with del confirmation, recycle some old packing peanuts and call it a day or you could just continue to complain about good buyers that paid on time.
<< <i>It's not often you see a non Dr. Lou- initiated thread become this hot of a topic.
FWIW, my opinion is that if the seller charges the buyer the exact stated shipping price in the auction, and the item arrives undamaged, the buyer has no justification or right whatsoever to complain about shipping charges. I don't care if it's $10 to ship a $5 card.... you knew, in no uncertain terms, what the shipping charge was going to be- and you agreed to pay it. >>
Welcome to ebay... if you as a seller don't like the way ebay allows it's buyers to leave feedback than don't sell on ebay. I can almost guarantee if the seller charged less for shipping there would have been no neutral given.
Plain and simple the OP has 3 options.
A. Keep selling and ignore the feedback system
B. Adjust Shipping charges / find ways to provide same great service via cheaper means (it's been spelled out how to accomplish this)
C. Stop selling on eBay and find a new sandbox to play in.
Those buyers that are thinking a graded card is only $1-$2 to ship are living in a dream world. There are so many intagibles that these people are not even accounting for in regards to shipping fees. Is a seller not allowed to recoup anything? Labels? - write it off! Bubble mailers? - recycle your old ones......I just believe this is absurd!
Most items are sold on Ebay without sales tax for pete's sake! I have NEVER dinged someones stars for shipping charges and I have paid $6 when it obviously cost less. To ding someone for charging $4 if in actuality it cost him $3+ is just ASSANINE!!!!
~WalterSobchak
<< <i>......if the buyer in this instance contacted me saying since he only bought one card could I help him out with the shipping, chances are I would have sent him a dollar back along with his card. Seeing his first communication on this issue was a neutral feedback, in my opinion it does make him a d-bag buyer. >>
The mere fact that he knew exactly what the shipping cost was, chose to bid on the item anyway, and then had the audacity to b*tch after the fact about being charged the precise amount he agreed to pay makes him a d-bag buyer either way.
And yes, I understand "that's the way it is on EBay, and if you don't like their policies you don't have to sell there". That statement doesn't make the buyer's actions here any less nauseating.
-CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
*1956 Topps baseball- 97.4% complete, 7.24 GPA
*Clemente basic set: 85.0% complete, 7.89 GPA
everyone has different business models they use, and when bidding just figure the cost of shipping in on your maximum bid.
for the record cheapest priority mail (when going to the post office) is 4.90 + .70 for DC = 5.60
I don't use paypal for printing labels & DC because sometimes they don't get scanned at the post office.
also for those complaining about shipping costs , maybe that is why you won the auction so cheap , because the other bidders figured in the shipping costs before they bid.
I don't care how much shipping is be it 1.00 or 15.00 as long as the item shows up safe and in good condition.
for those that just throw PSA graded cards in a bubble mailer and ship wait till one gets cracked or damaged because you didn't use more bubble wrap or 2 pieces of cardboard to protect it better. JMHO
<< <i>Let me address something Jeff wrote yesterday that is probably the reason I'm most upset about this situation. If the buyer was upset about my shipping charge, his best option would have been to contact me about it. When I offer a multiple card shipping rate buyers that end up winning more than a few cards get a good deal on shipping. I'm always willing to eat some of the costs when buyers purchase a large amount of cards from me. But if the buyer in this instance contacted me saying since he only bought one card could I help him out with the shipping, chances are I would have sent him a dollar back along with his card. Seeing his first communication on this issue was a neutral feedback, in my opinion it does make him a d-bag buyer. >>
so you support a socialist approach to shipping?
Think about that for a while.