My Sonnier grades are in ! Sorry I made this post :(

PQpeace · April 19, 2010 12:50PM

Item # Cert # PCGS No. CoinDate Denomination Variety Country Grade
1 16483006 7092 1879-S $1 US MS66+
1 16483007 7130 1881-S $1 US MS66
1 16483008 7140 1882-S $1 US MS66
1 16483009 7118 1880-S $1 US MS65
1 16483010 7130 1881-S $1 US MS67
1 16483011 7118 1880-S $1 US MS66+
1 16483012 7118 1880-S $1 US MS66+
1 16483013 7130 1881-S $1 US MS64
1 16483015 7172 1887 $1 US MS65+

AUandAG · April 19, 2010 12:52PM

Nice batch there Larry!

bob

kimber45ACP · April 19, 2010 12:53PM

PQpeace · April 19, 2010 12:54PM

Not that grades will help on coins with monster color..
Sorry,no pics until I get them back.

Placid · April 19, 2010 12:54PM

I was wondering why you would even send in such common coins

jmj3esq · April 19, 2010 1:42PM

Thats a submission to be proud of.

Meltdown · April 19, 2010 2:08PM

Wow, Sure beats the hell out of the grades I received today.

Congrats!

PQpeace · April 19, 2010 2:13PM

Congrats to GSAGUY..

I just removed them from capital holders,and sent them in..

I hope to have them displayed at Central States.

Mesquite · April 19, 2010 8:40PM

I may have missed it. Are there pics? Great submission!

ricko · April 19, 2010 9:15PM

Wow.. quality coins. Cheers, RickO

bestclser1 · April 20, 2010 2:31AM

Congrats Larry,

PQpeace · April 20, 2010 4:48AM

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kryptonitecomics · April 20, 2010 4:50AM

Dang that's a nice 82-S.....I don't know if it's $4500 nice but hey it's only money

PQpeace · April 20, 2010 4:50AM

Not sure how to link the picture..Todd ??

tradedollarnut · April 20, 2010 4:51AM

Okkkk - but without your expected grades, I really don't know whether to say congrats or I'm sorry.

blu62vette · April 20, 2010 4:53AM

PQpeace · April 20, 2010 5:00AM

I would have preferred a few higher grades,but again,with these colors,it really doesn't matter.
The only grade that would really make a difference would be a 68...

I have my expected grades at my office,and will post them when I get there today.

Blackhawk · April 20, 2010 5:49AM

Pardon my inquiry, not trying to start anything, just wondering. How does a coin like that get a 66 with the reed mark under the eye and the chatter on the reverse? Would it get the same grade if it were white?

PQpeace · April 20, 2010 6:05AM

Once I get the 11 coins back,I can comment on the grades.

Hard to grade from a picture

Larry

Sonorandesertrat · April 20, 2010 6:05AM

<< Pardon my inquiry, not trying to start anything, just wondering. How does a coin like that get a 66 with the reed mark under the eye and the chatter on the reverse? Would it get the same grade if it were white? >>

In cases involving toned coins, PCGS is adjusting technical grades for eye appeal. Recently, PCGS made public a sample eye appeal set of coins, showing the effects of a range of toning types on the final grade (-2 pts. to +1 pt.). For toning like this Morgan displays, the eye appeal was probably bumped up by 0.75 to 1.0 pt. Many buyers of such coins (I am one---I bought two of the Sonnier coins from Legend) base their purchase decisions on the toning alone because the 'toning premium' overwhelms even a 1 point MS grade difference in the case of generic Morgans.

bidask · April 20, 2010 6:11AM

<< 82s Sonnier >>

PCGS pop of 4210 coins and your asking $4500. Now I understand colorful coins are in demand but.....

PQpeace · April 20, 2010 6:38AM

...

BigE · April 20, 2010 6:50AM

Hey PQ, I hope Thurston Howell III shows up and buys them all for Luvy and then asks if you have any more! Good luck with them

------BigE

PQpeace · April 20, 2010 7:09AM

Thanks BigE,
I hope you are doing well.

More truviews coming soon.
They did a great job on my photos..

bidask · April 20, 2010 8:01AM

I have over 100 morgan dollars all 65 and 66 slabbed I haven't looked at in 2 years.....I better go check out the color.

LoveMyLiberty · April 20, 2010 8:23AM

You have a really nice website Larry. Congratulations!
It's a nicely organized ( version of the DH site ) and is
easy to navigate. The images are great.

I especially liked the NEWS section with that Latin, or Klingon, or,,,?

PQpeace · April 20, 2010 8:28AM

You have a really nice website Larry. Congratulations!
It's a nicely organized ( version of the DH site ) and is
easy to navigate. The images are great.

I especially liked the NEWS section with that Latin, or Klingon, or,,,?

Thanks alot...

I work on the site every day until I crash.

I hope to have it done in a few weeks,and then I start to advertise everywhere.

If you can read latin,you will save money

PQpeace · April 20, 2010 8:56AM

I will attempt to add all 11 coins to this thread..
Here goes.

Goldbully · April 20, 2010 8:59AM

Incredible coins....congrats!!!

PQpeace · April 20, 2010 9:02AM

Thanks to Todd for showing me how to add pics.
For 10 years,I never knew how to do it

PCcoins · April 20, 2010 9:04AM

Those are gorgeous!

leothelyon · April 20, 2010 9:06AM

<< I would have preferred a few higher grades,but again,with these colors,it really doesn't matter.
The only grade that would really make a difference would be a 68...

I have my expected grades at my office,and will post them when I get there today. >>

At least you know which coins to resubmit.

Those with the + designations, do you leave them in the holders or crack them when you send them back in? Sounds like a tough call.
Very nice group!

Leo

gsaguy · April 20, 2010 9:52AM

Cute coins.

Bear · April 20, 2010 9:55AM

The new owner seems to have a gold toned fetish. However
the coins are all beautiful ,if not overwhelming.

coincollector2007 · April 20, 2010 10:23AM

The colors maybe cool but it looks like PCGS gave some gifts here.

3007 Whats that behind the head? Bad marks or toning?

3013 Whats in front of the face???

3014 Is the eagles breast flat?

3015 Gotta love that huge fingerprint on the reverse!

3016 Is that bullest mark in the left field???

If your getting $5,000.00 for coins like these you shouldn't be bragging.

Mesquite · April 20, 2010 10:32AM

WONDERFUL COINS!!!! Thanks for the post (or repost as it were).

PQpeace · April 20, 2010 10:40AM

coincollector2007 :

I was not bragging at all..just explaining what these coins go for.
One colored coin dealer behind me at the last show had a case full of these,and most were over 10k each.

I hope you don't think I paid a few hundred bucks each for these coins.

I try and make a small profit,and make the new owners happy..

kurtdog · April 20, 2010 10:45AM

<< Pardon my inquiry, not trying to start anything, just wondering. How does a coin like that get a 66 with the reed mark under the eye and the chatter on the reverse? Would it get the same grade if it were white? >>

There's similar damage to the brow and lower eyelid, though it's not as pronounced. In defense of the graders, that makeup conceals those zits. In terms of eye appeal, that damage isn't as distracting as were it on a white, for example. As far as those grazes on the reverse go, I could accept a fair amount of that on a 65 reverse, but would expect a 66 reverse to show a cleaner, for sure. All to say, IMHO, they may have been a little generous on this one for the toning. Then again, that's what market grading is about...

PS: And who knows the market better, here?

Connecticoin · April 20, 2010 10:52AM

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<< Pardon my inquiry, not trying to start anything, just wondering. How does a coin like that get a 66 with the reed mark under the eye and the chatter on the reverse? Would it get the same grade if it were white? >>

There's similar damage to the brow and lower eyelid, though it's not as pronounced. In defense of the graders, that makeup conceals those zits. In terms of eye appeal, that damage isn't as distracting as were it on a white, for example. As far as those grazes on the reverse go, I could accept a fair amount of that on a 65 reverse, but would expect a 66 reverse to show a cleaner, for sure. All to say, IMHO, they may have been a little generous on this one for the toning. Then again, that's what market grading is about...

PS: And who knows the market better, here?

>>

Coins like this no doubt get a "bump" for exceptional eye-appeal. And PCGS has stated publicly that such coins will get the bump:

PCGS "Eye Appeal" Article

gsaguy · April 20, 2010 10:52AM

<< The colors maybe cool but it looks like PCGS gave some gifts here.

3007 Whats that behind the head? Bad marks or toning?

3013 Whats in front of the face???

3014 Is the eagles breast flat?

3015 Gotta love that huge fingerprint on the reverse!

3016 Is that bullest mark in the left field???

If your getting $5,000.00 for coins like these you shouldn't be bragging. >>

For those of you who wondered why I never bothered to have my toned coins graded.

jsf · April 20, 2010 11:17AM

nice

who's the sunburned, white dude?

SeattleSlammer · April 20, 2010 11:31AM

The colors maybe cool but it looks like PCGS gave some gifts here.

3007 Whats that behind the head? Bad marks or toning?

3013 Whats in front of the face???

3014 Is the eagles breast flat?

3015 Gotta love that huge fingerprint on the reverse!

3016 Is that bullest mark in the left field???

If your getting $5,000.00 for coins like these you shouldn't be bragging.

This is idiotic. Guess what, you're allowed to have some marks on Morgans and still get 65s and 66s. Otherwise they'd be graded higher. Learn to grade! Look at thousands of Morgans graded between 60-68 and learn to grade!

Stunning coins.

Goldbully · April 20, 2010 11:34AM

<< The colors maybe cool but it looks like PCGS gave some gifts here.

3007 Whats that behind the head? Bad marks or toning?

3013 Whats in front of the face???

3014 Is the eagles breast flat?

3015 Gotta love that huge fingerprint on the reverse!

3016 Is that bullest mark in the left field???

If your getting $5,000.00 for coins like these you shouldn't be bragging.

This is idiotic. Guess what, you're allowed to have some marks on Morgans and still get 65s and 66s. Otherwise they'd be graded higher. Learn to grade! Look at thousands of Morgans graded between 60-68 and learn to grade!

Stunning coins. >>

You go Seattle!!!! Woof Woof Woof!!!!

fivecents · April 20, 2010 11:41AM

Thanks Larry for posting / sharing such stunning eye candy on the forums. I really enjoyed looking at all the trueviews!

gsaguy · April 20, 2010 11:46AM

My thoughts from another thread re toned coins:

Also, I enjoyed having collectors look at my coins for hours on end at shows and the issue of the coin's grade NEVER entering into the conversation......it was all about the colors, the luster, the toning process, the GSA sale.......nothing about the grade.

PQpeace · April 20, 2010 11:49AM

These coins are ART..
I wish I could hang them all on my wall.
Maybe I will make a poster of all my toners so I can remember them long after these are gone.

kimber45ACP · April 20, 2010 11:53AM

3007, 3015

WTCG · April 20, 2010 12:09PM

<< The colors maybe cool but it looks like PCGS gave some gifts here.

3007 Whats that behind the head? Bad marks or toning?

3013 Whats in front of the face???

3014 Is the eagles breast flat?

3015 Gotta love that huge fingerprint on the reverse!

3016 Is that bullest mark in the left field???

If your getting $5,000.00 for coins like these you shouldn't be bragging. >>

In the OP's defense, these coins are desirable primarily for their attractive toning features, not from a technical standpoint in terms of contact marks or strike features. Did you check the grades assigned before making disparaging comments?

3007 A few ticks behind the head but the fields and devices are clean.

3013 It's graded MS64. Again, it's graded MS64 and not any higher.

3014 That is an 1883-O. That date comes flat-breasted as struck. If anything the strike on the obverse is a more relevant issue pertaining to the assigned grade.

3015 You made an extra effort to point out the evidence of handling on the reverse, but failed to comment on the toning on the obverse. That coin is also graded MS65(+), and from what I see it fully deserves that grade.

3016 Coin is graded MS64(+). MS64 grade Morgans are allowed a few hits on the fields. It's not like it graded a 67 or anything.

The author of that set of comments as quoted above should show us some of his comparable toners and in turn teach us what, in his opinions, good coins should look like.

kurtdog · April 20, 2010 12:11PM

Connecticoin, thanks for the article. At least they tell you up front what their method of insanity is, which is admirable. I inferred as much off the ANA standards, that that's where market grading is going, but it does help to see it laid-out, some, in a trusted TPG, like this, I think. Not saying my methodology ain't a tad more conservative than that, though. Hey, FWIW...

gsaguy · April 20, 2010 12:13PM

Would peeps stop talking about the darned grades.

Bear · April 20, 2010 12:28PM

With colors like those shown, MS-64 or MS-65 would be sufficient.

Anything higher is merely icing on the cake.

My Sonnier grades are in ! Sorry I made this post :(

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