I'm still not(will never be) convinced that a key date coin sold raw in higher grade is a good gamble..
But, some of you may think otherwise and I accept the reasoning for both sides..
My theory is, "If it's raw, high grade, and key date", why not slab it? A lot of these dealers with large feedback scores surely know what TPGs are.. and I'm sure they have ways to get things submitted.
It's a way of mitigating risk.
bnb ---------------------------------------- Tuesday March 09, 2010 12:45 PM
I don't agree with either of you because of this fact, fraud is very common on eBay and it is not safe in my opinion to buy raw coins or currency if you A)Are new and don't know much about grading(Like a lot of bidders) or It mitigates risk and there is very little subjectivity.
bnb -------------------------------------- Tuesday March 09, 2010 12:52 PM
Sure, I have nothing wrong with buying cheap $20 raw coins but high priced raw coins... yikes, I'd be more careful... I'd rather just buy a slabbed one.
bnb ------------------------------------ Tuesday March 09, 2010 1:03 PM
No, Ken, the point is is to bring awareness again about this issue plaguing eBay and the coin community in general. Frauds, deception, misttatements on listings, etc.
I'm still not(will never be) convinced that a key date coin sold raw in higher grade is a good gamble..
But, some of you may think otherwise and I accept the reasoning for both sides..
My theory is, "If it's raw, high grade, and key date", why not slab it? A lot of these dealers with large feedback scores surely know what TPGs are.. and I'm sure they have ways to get things submitted.
It's a way of mitigating risk.
bnb
This guy is a real piece of work ---------------------------------------- Tuesday March 09, 2010 12:45 PM
I don't agree with either of you because of this fact, fraud is very common on eBay and it is not safe in my opinion to buy raw coins or currency if you A)Are new and don't know much about grading(Like a lot of bidders) or It mitigates risk and there is very little subjectivity.
bnb -------------------------------------- Tuesday March 09, 2010 12:52 PM
Sure, I have nothing wrong with buying cheap $20 raw coins but high priced raw coins... yikes, I'd be more careful... I'd rather just buy a slabbed one.
bnb ------------------------------------ Tuesday March 09, 2010 1:03 PM
No, Ken, the point is is to bring awareness again about this issue plaguing eBay and the coin community in general. Frauds, deception, misttatements on listings, etc.
Thanks!
bnb >>
The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
<< <i>I'm running XP Home and IE8 and for weeks (that I can remember) I was able to close all IE8 instances and power off, then power back up and open a new IE8 and still be logged onto the forums. I could post without having to enter my login info or even need to visit the login screen. However, for some reason, that is not happening today. >>
The next time you login, try checking the "Remember my login" box.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
<< <i>At the and of the day this is a young person staving for attention. He actually won that battle here by a knockout..........With that being said he still creeped me out. Far from the sharpest tool in the shed.................MJ >>
You nailed it MJ.
And as is the case with most people his age, he's still got a lot to learn. I hope he changes his ways, as it's painfully obvious he doesn't have the innate abilities it take to be a really good con man... >>
I have seen more than enough of the likes of him growing up in NY.He will most likely wind up being the gofer for a drug dealer,or anyone that waves a few thousand in hes face.
What a fun thread! I just got in from ANA in Ft. Worth, and haven't even said hello to my wife yet!
You Suck! Awarded 6/2008- 1901-O Micro O Morgan, 8/2008- 1878 VAM-123 Morgan, 9/2022 1888-O VAM-1B3 H8 Morgan | Senior Regional Representative- ANACS Coin Grading. Posted opinions on coins are my own, and are not an official ANACS opinion.
<< <i>I'm running XP Home and IE8 and for weeks (that I can remember) I was able to close all IE8 instances and power off, then power back up and open a new IE8 and still be logged onto the forums. I could post without having to enter my login info or even need to visit the login screen. However, for some reason, that is not happening today. >>
The next time you login, try checking the "Remember my login" box.
>>
I was supposing why BNB might be able to login... (bug?)
Funny thing is not only do I not use it, I make it a point to never use it.
You guys laugh....eh? This guy is an unguided missle.
Taking bets on the exact time cuffs get slapped on him for 1) impersonating a human being 2) mobley w/ intent to creep 3) being a refugee from the human race
He's gone, period (until/unless he comes back as ANOTHER alt). Lets just move on, as this thread could go on forever about someone that, not only was nothing but a distraction, but yes, does need help (as evidenced by his many youtube vids). His vid aimed at US falls on deaf ears (it SHOULD, he's dug his grave and his ebay sales will be scrutinized from here on). Lets just forget about him and concentrate on helping the 'winner' get the justice he/she deserves, from winning a blatantly misrepresented coin, unless the winner is 'one of those' winners..
<< <i>Again guys, he messed up with the auction. Lets not try to judge the rest of his character. >>
You must be asleep. This kid's tough-as-a-nickel-steak character is all this thread has been about. The only way this auction fits into that is it was the last straw for a lot of the members, here.
<< <i>BNBAnalytics is on right now, but wasn't earlier. >>
BNBAnalytics, if you're indeed online, just a little advice: you're not dealing with a bunch of idiots, here. While you’re long on confidence, you’re short on experience and knowledge. How long do you expect a bunch of collectors is going to continue to relate seriously to you, with that horseship(sp?) attitude? You want to win friends and influence people, you might start by analyzing that.
Sorry to have dug up such old posts, but since I did not see an answer, I'll go ahead and give an answer:
<< <i>There is no way to know how many watchers there are on an auction that is not your own, unless you have developed some way to hack into Ebay's servers which is something I surely wouldn't be bragging about on a public forum. >>
There is actually a website that allows you to see how many watchers there are on an item, and it is quite accurate from what I've tried out myself.
Keep in mind that eBay decides on and limits what items are considered popular enough to appear on WatchCount.com. (See "What constitutes an item as "popular" enough to be displayed as a search result on this site?".) For example, if an item hasn't even received its first bid, it probably won't appear in our search results. That said, here are some things you should consider when inputting your search query:
<< <i>The kid is full of himself, arrogant and a self proclaimed' know it all'. Now, he can sit back, shut up and learn a few things! >>
The thing with a person like this is that they'll never learn, either because of a lack of desire or a complete inability. In his case it's a toss-up. He's got the world completely figured out and is smarter than everybody else. I think he should go into politics!
<< <i>The kid is full of himself, arrogant and a self proclaimed' know it all'. Now, he can sit back, shut up and learn a few things! >>
The thing with a person like this is that they'll never learn, either because of a lack of desire or a complete inability. In his case it's a toss-up. He's got the world completely figured out and is smarter than everybody else. I think he should go into politics! >>
It didn't take long to get walking papers ATS.........I think they threw all of him off the site after banishing him to the Water Cooler. MJ
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
It didn't take long to get walking papers ATS.........I think they threw all of him off the site after banishing him to the Water Cooler. MJ
Actually, he didn't get bammed ATS, neither did his alt. The user 'TheMightyDuke' absolutely HAMMERED the kid, relentlessly and ruthlessly (some of 'TheMightyDukes' posts were deleted, and, like here, BNB had a post locked). The last post 'TheMightyDuke' posted ended with something like 'put a gun barrel in your mouth, pull the trigger'...it was a CLASSIC drubbing! He linked so many of BNB's youtube vids, the kid is hared.....members have been ASKING BNB (who goes by his given name, Jarett Jay Casessa ATS) to block them...it's a three ring circus wherever that kid goes. That user ('TheMightyDuke') got bammed when BNB whined, but only for 7 days. He would have been given life here. As MJ said, the threads started by BNB spiralled so far out of control, so quickly, the threads were moved from the Coin Forum to The Water Cooler
BNB is so disliked ATS, even the COMICS people are tearing him a new one. It is CLASSIC!
say are you a lady comic book collector that goes by not*sure over there? as Jarrett knows all and says so
No, that is NOT me. I have spoken with 'AC'. She and her husband were burned out of their home, lost their pet cat in the fire. The forum members were gathering donations for them, and 19Lyds asked me if it was me, naturally due to the username. It's odd, as we both use the username 'NotSure' (hers is spelled 'Not*Sure*) in referrence to a characters name in a movie called 'Idiocracy'. BNB has been making an a$$ of himself accusing her of being me. If you thought he was disliked on this forum, boy, the members over there make what we did to him look like a love fest. I'm surprised they haven't given him the boot ATS solely based on the absolute total distraction he has become over there. Once he gets the boot there (which is inevitable), all he'll have left is the OFR. Over there, they'll drive him to commit suicide.
Imagine what the story he gives to the ladies, I am a father and I would blow a fuse if my daughter fell for his lines
One of these days, he WILL meet a father that feels like that, and it ain't gonna be pretty.
I am a big time Motion Picture Star, Producer, Huge Rare Coin Dealer and Now Currency Dealer, Numismatic Savant Specializing in Buffs soon to be published , Co-Writing a Numismatic Trilogy with QD Bowers himself, Self published writer for Coin doctoring Today, Noted Character Actor, soon to be a Broadway Stage Actor and incredible long lasting pawnstar, and Pamela Anderson's last boyfriend, will be appearing on Dancing with Stars next season filmimg is currently underway, oh and the President' long lost love child see the resembleance (the shape of my head silly)
Realone, you forgot that he also wants to be President of the USA...here, here, and here.
Comments
I'm still not(will never be) convinced that a key date coin sold raw in higher grade is a good gamble..
But, some of you may think otherwise and I accept the reasoning for both sides..
My theory is, "If it's raw, high grade, and key date", why not slab it? A lot of these dealers with large feedback scores surely know what TPGs are.. and I'm sure they have ways to get things submitted.
It's a way of mitigating risk.
bnb
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Tuesday March 09, 2010 12:45 PM
I don't agree with either of you because of this fact, fraud is very common on eBay and it is not safe in my opinion to buy raw coins or currency if you A)Are new and don't know much about grading(Like a lot of bidders) or
bnb
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Tuesday March 09, 2010 12:52 PM
Sure, I have nothing wrong with buying cheap $20 raw coins but high priced raw coins... yikes, I'd be more careful... I'd rather just buy a slabbed one.
bnb
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Tuesday March 09, 2010 1:03 PM
No, Ken, the point is is to bring awareness again about this issue plaguing eBay and the coin community in general. Frauds, deception, misttatements on listings, etc.
Thanks!
bnb
<< <i>Tuesday March 09, 2010 12:42 PM
I'm still not(will never be) convinced that a key date coin sold raw in higher grade is a good gamble..
But, some of you may think otherwise and I accept the reasoning for both sides..
My theory is, "If it's raw, high grade, and key date", why not slab it? A lot of these dealers with large feedback scores surely know what TPGs are.. and I'm sure they have ways to get things submitted.
It's a way of mitigating risk.
bnb
This guy is a real piece of work
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Tuesday March 09, 2010 12:45 PM
I don't agree with either of you because of this fact, fraud is very common on eBay and it is not safe in my opinion to buy raw coins or currency if you A)Are new and don't know much about grading(Like a lot of bidders) or
bnb
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Tuesday March 09, 2010 12:52 PM
Sure, I have nothing wrong with buying cheap $20 raw coins but high priced raw coins... yikes, I'd be more careful... I'd rather just buy a slabbed one.
bnb
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Tuesday March 09, 2010 1:03 PM
No, Ken, the point is is to bring awareness again about this issue plaguing eBay and the coin community in general. Frauds, deception, misttatements on listings, etc.
Thanks!
bnb
>>
<< <i>I'm running XP Home and IE8 and for weeks (that I can remember) I was able to close all IE8 instances and power off, then power back up and open a new IE8 and still be logged onto the forums. I could post without having to enter my login info or even need to visit the login screen. However, for some reason, that is not happening today. >>
The next time you login, try checking the "Remember my login" box.
The name is LEE!
<< <i>
<< <i>At the and of the day this is a young person staving for attention. He actually won that battle here by a knockout..........With that being said he still creeped me out. Far from the sharpest tool in the shed.................MJ >>
You nailed it MJ.
And as is the case with most people his age, he's still got a lot to learn. I hope he changes his ways, as it's painfully obvious he doesn't have the innate abilities it take to be a really good con man... >>
I have seen more than enough of the likes of him growing up in NY.He will most likely wind up being the gofer
for a drug dealer,or anyone that waves a few thousand in hes face.
IF he put his mind to it, and was willing to put more than 3 months into the endeavor
<< <i>
<< <i>I'm running XP Home and IE8 and for weeks (that I can remember) I was able to close all IE8 instances and power off, then power back up and open a new IE8 and still be logged onto the forums. I could post without having to enter my login info or even need to visit the login screen. However, for some reason, that is not happening today. >>
The next time you login, try checking the "Remember my login" box.
>>
I was supposing why BNB might be able to login... (bug?)
Funny thing is not only do I not use it, I make it a point to never use it.
(although it is possible I forgot in the past)
Taking bets on the exact time cuffs get slapped on him for 1) impersonating a human being
2) mobley w/ intent to creep
3) being a refugee from the human race
soon I think.
<< <i>Again guys, he messed up with the auction. Lets not try to judge the rest of his character. >>
You must be asleep. This kid's tough-as-a-nickel-steak character is all this thread has been about. The only way this auction fits into that is it was the last straw for a lot of the members, here.
<< <i>BNBAnalytics is on right now, but wasn't earlier. >>
BNBAnalytics, if you're indeed online, just a little advice: you're not dealing with a bunch of idiots, here. While you’re long on confidence, you’re short on experience and knowledge. How long do you expect a bunch of collectors is going to continue to relate seriously to you, with that horseship(sp?) attitude? You want to win friends and influence people, you might start by analyzing that.
Hoard the keys.
<< <i>There is no way to know how many watchers there are on an auction that is not your own, unless you have developed some way to hack into Ebay's servers which is something I surely wouldn't be bragging about on a public forum. >>
There is actually a website that allows you to see how many watchers there are on an item, and it is quite accurate from what I've tried out myself.
www.watchcount.com
You even get a nifty search option to search by most watched.
It appears that the item in discussion currently has 50 watchers.
Ben
And, no, I did not do this. I wish to gawd I had, though!!
<< <i>I almost wet myself when I saw this picture on another forum...I just HAD to share it!! LOL
And, no, I did not do this. I wish to gawd I had, though!! >>
ScamWow®
www.brunkauctions.com
eBay link again
whats he need to break even w/ fees and such $1700?
Anybody familiar with it? It appears to only show "watchers" for items that have bids though.
Perhaps, this is what SD4000 used since it does show the watch count for the 38-D 3 Legger.
My apologies SD.
The name is LEE!
Michael Kittle Rare Coins --- 1908-S Indian Head Cent Grading Set --- No. 1 1909 Mint Set --- Kittlecoins on Facebook --- Long Beach Table 448
<< <i>FYI, I just got this link to www.watchcount.com from ATS.
Anybody familiar with it? It appears to only show "watchers" for items that have bids though.
Perhaps, this is what SD4000 used since it does show the watch count for the 38-D 3 Legger.
My apologies SD. >>
but doesn't even pull up a listing for mine
<< <i>
<< <i>FYI, I just got this link to www.watchcount.com from ATS.
Anybody familiar with it? It appears to only show "watchers" for items that have bids though.
Perhaps, this is what SD4000 used since it does show the watch count for the 38-D 3 Legger.
My apologies SD. >>
but doesn't even pull up a listing for mine >>
Do you have bids AND are you specifying the correct search criteria?
The name is LEE!
Keep in mind that eBay decides on and limits what items are considered popular enough to appear on WatchCount.com. (See "What constitutes an item as "popular" enough to be displayed as a search result on this site?".) For example, if an item hasn't even received its first bid, it probably won't appear in our search results. That said, here are some things you should consider when inputting your search query:
Gary
<< <i>The kid is full of himself, arrogant and a self proclaimed' know it all'. Now, he can sit back, shut up and learn a few things! >>
The thing with a person like this is that they'll never learn, either because of a lack of desire or a complete inability. In his case it's a toss-up. He's got the world completely figured out and is smarter than everybody else. I think he should go into politics!
<< <i>
<< <i>The kid is full of himself, arrogant and a self proclaimed' know it all'. Now, he can sit back, shut up and learn a few things! >>
The thing with a person like this is that they'll never learn, either because of a lack of desire or a complete inability. In his case it's a toss-up. He's got the world completely figured out and is smarter than everybody else. I think he should go into politics! >>
That particular position is already filled.
<< <i>Broadstruck, you should update the link for the auction of this legendary coin, to it's currently running one. >>
A new link has been added to the OP via an update.
New revised listing after the last was canceled by Ebay
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>Why do I think BNB stands for BiddlesBank?
The kids says Bears N Bulls, as if knows ANYTHING about a Bear or Bull market!
Gary
<< <i>Back on topic: Is this worse or better than than cracking a problem holder and selling raw and not disclosing? >>
fascinating question, both are problems, both are misleading.
<< <i>Why do I think BNB stands for BiddlesBank?
Not the same user... But based on the woisme they could be related
<< <i>
<< <i>Why do I think BNB stands for BiddlesBank?
The kids says Bears N Bulls, as if knows ANYTHING about a Bear or Bull market! >>
Maybe he's a Chicago pro sports fan?
Lance.
Actually, he didn't get bammed ATS, neither did his alt. The user 'TheMightyDuke' absolutely HAMMERED the kid, relentlessly and ruthlessly (some of 'TheMightyDukes' posts were deleted, and, like here, BNB had a post locked). The last post 'TheMightyDuke' posted ended with something like 'put a gun barrel in your mouth, pull the trigger'...it was a CLASSIC drubbing! He linked so many of BNB's youtube vids, the kid is hared.....members have been ASKING BNB (who goes by his given name, Jarett Jay Casessa ATS) to block them...it's a three ring circus wherever that kid goes. That user ('TheMightyDuke') got bammed when BNB whined, but only for 7 days. He would have been given life here. As MJ said, the threads started by BNB spiralled so far out of control, so quickly, the threads were moved from the Coin Forum to The Water Cooler
BNB is so disliked ATS, even the COMICS people are tearing him a new one. It is CLASSIC!
-priviledges suspended?
say are you a lady comic book collector that goes by not*sure over there? as Jarrett knows all and says so
No, that is NOT me. I have spoken with 'AC'. She and her husband were burned out of their home, lost their pet cat in the fire. The forum members were gathering donations for them, and 19Lyds asked me if it was me, naturally due to the username. It's odd, as we both use the username 'NotSure' (hers is spelled 'Not*Sure*) in referrence to a characters name in a movie called 'Idiocracy'. BNB has been making an a$$ of himself accusing her of being me. If you thought he was disliked on this forum, boy, the members over there make what we did to him look like a love fest. I'm surprised they haven't given him the boot ATS solely based on the absolute total distraction he has become over there. Once he gets the boot there (which is inevitable), all he'll have left is the OFR. Over there, they'll drive him to commit suicide.
Imagine what the story he gives to the ladies, I am a father and I would blow a fuse if my daughter fell for his lines
One of these days, he WILL meet a father that feels like that, and it ain't gonna be pretty.
Realone, you forgot that he also wants to be President of the USA...here, here, and here.
<< <i>Realone, you forgot that he also wants to be President of the USA...here, here, and here. >>
Broadstruck, I thought it was IMPOSSIBLE to make you speechless!!! lol
www.brunkauctions.com