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FlatwoodsFlatwoods Posts: 4,270 ✭✭✭✭✭
Imagine that you were a long time collector who, for one reason or another, drifted away from the hobby.
Slowly lost interest as many people do. You take the tubes and rolls, albums and mint sets and place them in the
safe deposit box.

There they sit for twenty years. Then one day you think about them and the enjoyment they once brought.
You decide to make the trip to the small town bank and view them again. You think about maybe even filling a few of those holes.
Yes that might be enjoyable.It occurs to you that you would like to pass them on to your grandson.
Even though there's nothing there extremely valuable you hope that he might appreciate them.

You enter the cramped little viewing room at the bank full of anticipation.
You slowly start pulling out items you had forgotten about long ago. Lots of memories here in this little box.
Then you notice something isn't exactly right. Curious you investigate further.
That's when your hopes and new found enthusiasm come crashing to the ground.

There in front of you is page after page, book after book of.. of...

I wonder how many times this story has been repeated in recent years?


































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    BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,790 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oh man, that sucks image
    Were they someone's you knew?

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    FlatwoodsFlatwoods Posts: 4,270 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes.
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    BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ouch... those BUs would have been better off in rolls... and the circs would have been just fine in a cloth bag or cardboard box.

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    lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,875 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Do you have a gallon of acetone?
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    MoldnutMoldnut Posts: 3,116 ✭✭✭✭
    DUDE THAT SUCKS!
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    BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭
    Maybe work a deal with NCS on a bulk submission. Don't know if there is ----------BigE
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    Some may be salvagable but that's some pretty advanced PVC so gosh knows what damage has already been done to the surfaces image
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    jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,965 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I get this stuff in all the time, most has to be salvaged, some you might can save, Better invest in a large bottle of 100% acetone(the real stuff) . The silver coins may be okay, but most of the nickel and copper is toast.
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    lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oh, that just sucks. That just really sucks.

    I don't think I could sleep until I did something about it. Acetone for sure. Can't hurt and may save many.

    Regrets,
    Lance.
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    cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 8,062 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Acetone is your friend and saviour.
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    rld14rld14 Posts: 2,390 ✭✭✭
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    about a year ago a friend of a friend said his wife`s dad left her a trunk full of coins that two men would have trouble lifting. he had two albums at his house with the remainder at the in-laws. he has no clue on coins. the coins i saw looked just like that just not as bad. PVC was doing its thing and i told him to get some mylar flips and some acetone but i bet his collection is worse than a year ago..... the two albums i saw were a mix with 2 cents pcs to standing libs to ikes and commems. i gave him a redbook and a link to here but it was kind of like deer in the headlights from the get-go.
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    What a way to ruin the moment. Be careful with the acetone.
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    TomBTomB Posts: 23,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Those albums are notorious for damaging coins via PVC.
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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,092 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I meant:

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    mkman123mkman123 Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭✭
    why don't more people store coins in 2x2 flips?
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    keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    in my short time working with a dealer in his shop i saw quite a bit of this in the exact type of binder pages. i even did a thread wherein i proposed that Peace Dollars may be the coin which suffers most from this type of thing. the non-key date stuff and the circs are a wash for the most part, but the better stuff and anything valuable needs to at least have an attempt at salvage made. go to a store like Sherwin Williams and get at least a gallon of acetone, then stop somewhere and get some tight sealing plastic containers for the coins to soak in. the acetone won't harm them but it might take awhile. use Q-tips, but don't wipe them. roll them over the coin surface.
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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,092 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>why don't more people store coins in 2x2 flips? >>



    Back in those days, this "soft vinyl" was pliable and was not believed to be anything but a benefit to the collectors for storage. It seemed the perfect fit.
    I recently got a set of Franklins like that. It was a quick trip to Home Depot for a can of acetone and a jar.
    The residue left over after evaporation was a green plasticized goo that peeled off the bottom of the jar. Quite nasty stuff and it must be depressing to the OP, but there is hope...to be honest.
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    rld14rld14 Posts: 2,390 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I meant:

    NT on eBay image >>



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    anablepanablep Posts: 5,205 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So sorry to see that happen...

    I'd be totally distraught over this; even the circulated pieces would bother me.

    Good luck...
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    BlackhawkBlackhawk Posts: 3,899 ✭✭✭
    From what I can see, most if not all of those coins will be OK with a little "conserving".
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    RollermanRollerman Posts: 1,908 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I had the same problem with the "Coinmaster" album. I really liked them until I found they were hurting the coins much the way you did. People here on the forum advised a gentle bath in acetone. I just took a Q Tip and soaked it in acetone and then just lightly rolled it over the surface of the coin. The green stuff soaks right into the tip. Many of your coins has the liquid green look to them and I think you can save them. The copper will be the worst, but if it's early enough, they too might be o.k.. I had a set of Jeffersons that came out fine. You will be investing in new albums soon so throw away those old Coinmasters....now that I write that, seems like I heard there are new inserts available that won't harm the coins? Is that true forum members?
    I think I'd replace them if it were me anyway...heck, it was me and I did replace them! LOL
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    that's the kinda thing that makes me praise pcgs with the revolutionary way to store and preserve coins with there slabbing process. It's what i tell most folks when they ask me about coins but then they get all hesitant about shipping them off. Even though that's what insureance is for. Anyway this is why i hate coin books and the 2x2 cardboard flips...

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    I 'washed" in acetone a full set of circ Franklins earlier today. They had looked very similar to those pictured above.

    Be careful using acetone...
    Garrow
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    NewRoseNewRose Posts: 309 ✭✭
    Hopefully you can save a couple of them image
    Sorry dude, good luck to you

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    DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    SwampboySwampboy Posts: 13,244 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The horror .........image

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    COALPORTERCOALPORTER Posts: 2,900 ✭✭
    Sorry to see your coins in that condition. Looks like you were putting away some nice stuff, but even in the 1970s there was pleanty written about the dangers of PVC plastic (and high sulfer paper). Coins magazine wrote about this in almost every issue. They had tons of stuff on proper long term storage.
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    Thats messed up! Whoever thought of using PVC for these things really did a good job huh? Youd think it was the mints quality control or something.



    Just sad.
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    cladkingcladking Posts: 30,162 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There's a lot of really bad storage media out there and some is still being sold.

    The '60's era French mint sets and '70's Japanese mint sets are almost totally
    destroyed. 1968-P cents in mint sets are all carbon spotted now.
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    TomBTomB Posts: 23,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
    We have several 1970s era Japanese mint sets and the coins are destroyed.
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    cladkingcladking Posts: 30,162 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>We have several 1970s era Japanese mint sets and the coins are destroyed. >>



    I think the '75 is the worst. I haven't seen one with good coins in it since the early '90's.

    So few people collect moderns one has to wonder how many survived. I've lost many many
    coins in mint set holders but always get them out when I see one starting to go.
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    mikeygmikeyg Posts: 1,002


    << <i>DUDE THAT SUCKS! >>

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    MeltdownMeltdown Posts: 9,256 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What a shame. image
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    AuroraBorealisAuroraBorealis Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I`m very sorry to see that happen to your collection...Try calling and perhaps send images of the coins into either main grading co. and see what they may say for recovery...

    Best of luck Flatwoods...

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    1Mike11Mike1 Posts: 4,445 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A while back there was some discussion about using Verdi-gone on copper. Wonder if it would help with the copper shown by the op?
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    FlatwoodsFlatwoods Posts: 4,270 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for all the comments. Let me say that this is not my collection.
    I do know the owner and offered to help him clean up the mess.

    He is still undecided if he wants me to do anything.
    He has heard that cleaning coins will lower the value!!! image
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    jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,972 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Please be careful handling acetone. It is as flammable as gasoline, and the vapors are also not good to breathe - bad for the liver.

    Make sure that there are no open sources of flame anywhere near you, and no ignition sources. Use small amounts in enclosed containers.

    Gloves are a good idea, acetone will take all the oils from your skin. Use good ventilation. Be careful and don't compound your loss by creating a health problem. The coins are mostly recoverable, but it will take some time.
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    << <i>Those albums are notorious for damaging coins via PVC. >>



    Yep.
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    Ouch. We see this all of the time unfortunately. Here's an even worse horror story...

    Complete set of Washington Quarters 1932-64... All bought from Bowers back in the 1960's/70's. A lot of them were in cardboard 2x2's cradled by the PVC holders they came in. EXCEPT.... the 1932-D. All of these were sold as 'MS-65' which many of them have a shot at... I almost cried when I saw the green on the surfaces of the 32-D.

    Acetone will do the trick on the collection mentioned in the beginning. Does anyone know what happened to the company that made these albums? Was there a lawsuit? They sure do look like the vintage version of Dansco Albums...

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Acetone will take care of the examples shown in the OP... keep the soaking container covered, it evaporates quickly. It will not harm the coins, show your friend some threads from this forum. Soaking in acetone is not considered 'cleaning' in the bad sense. An alcohol rinse followed by DI water will ensure clean surfaces when the process is complete. Do not let the acetone dry on the coins surface, it just redeposits the residues. (I usually take them out and put them in alcohol right away.) Cheers, RickO

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