Interesting. First time I've gone through and read in detail. I never realized that the yellow slabs were simply color changelings of the PCGS4 green label. I always thought they were their own series/era unto themselves...
PCGS 9 This slab really belongs between #'s 4 and 5 but this is where you're going to get it. This was the Regency Slab, a special premium slab that was intended to allow the collector to recognize "special" coins. Either to showcase very rare pieces, special pedigree coins or even special events. The Regency slab is a large slab, five inches high and three across at the widest point. They cost $50 ($30 slabbing fee plus $20 for the special holder and personalized inscription) and you were allowed to specify a two line inscription to appear on the front label. (Maximm 44 characters.) According to Rick Montgomery these were produced from 1992 to 1995 but so far I've only been able to trace them from Mid 1994 to the first quarter of 1995. >>
Hmm, this looks pretty cool. Anyone have any of these?
Yes. These are three Regency slabs that I had acquired in the past and still have in my collection.
Note that the 1881-S is shown as being from the 1995 summer ANA which supports Richard Montgomery's contention that these slabs were in use through 1995.
"The question wasn't so much the ending date as the starting date. I had traced them through the first quarter of 95 so having them last until the third quarter isn't too surprising. But Hall says they began in 192 and the earliest I had traced them was 94."
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Thank you. Somebody had asked me if there were ever any NGC slabs without serial numbers. I do not see such a one on that list. Were there sample slabs that are not on the list that might not have serial numbers? Or does the guy have a CHinese fake? TD
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<< <i>Thank you. Somebody had asked me if there were ever any NGC slabs without serial numbers. I do not see such a one on that list. Were there sample slabs that are not on the list that might not have serial numbers? Or does the guy have a CHinese fake? TD >>
NGC has slabbed Morgan silver dollars, ASE's etc for the mass marketers on television and in the popular mags with the grade "BRILLIANT UNCIRCULATED". I don't think these slabs had any serial numbers.
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<< <i>I had ALWAYS wanted to know just how many years my coins have resided in their holders.
I figured that I could just look up the serial number on the PCGS website and get the date the coin was slabbed.
Never did find that....
Now, your excellent information allows me to 'date' my older rattler & green holder coins.
I also had thought that the yellow label holders were a different variety.
Thanks for the super info. >>
The yellow label holders are actually green label holders that label has changed color on. Exposure to sunlight or just bright light seems to of been the cause.
PCGS 9 This slab really belongs between #'s 4 and 5 but this is where you're going to get it. This was the Regency Slab, a special premium slab that was intended to allow the collector to recognize "special" coins. Either to showcase very rare pieces, special pedigree coins or even special events. The Regency slab is a large slab, five inches high and three across at the widest point. They cost $50 ($30 slabbing fee plus $20 for the special holder and personalized inscription) and you were allowed to specify a two line inscription to appear on the front label. (Maximm 44 characters.) According to Rick Montgomery these were produced from 1992 to 1995 but so far I've only been able to trace them from Mid 1994 to the first quarter of 1995. >>
Hmm, this looks pretty cool. Anyone have any of these? >>
Nope but I just saw an 1836 quarter eagle in the Heritage archives that was in one of these slabs. It was part of the Make an owner an offer deal they are running now. ')
I believe there is a very rare transitional PCGS 5.5(pending) slab/label which appeared in the fall of 1998.
The label is blue colored just like the current blue PCGS label which started with the PCGS 6 label. However, the printing font on the label and the slab itself has all of the characteristics of the green PCGS 5 slab/label.
I have seen just a couple of the PCGS 5.5(pending) slab/labels and presently believe I have one or two of them. All of the ones I have seen have the numbers which represents that they were graded at a coin show by PCGS. I believe PCGS started to use the new blue paper labels at the show but used the old labeling program and also must have had a few of the old plastic slabs side with the gold colored foil lettering and gold hologram to use up.
So PCGS unintentionally put together a transitional slab?
I think it would be cool for PCGS to revive the multicoin holders and continue with the edge view holders. I absolutely want my Draped bust coinage in PCGS holders but I miss not being able to view their edges. It doesn't seem like the edge view would be a big deal and I was really optimistic when the UHR's came out. No changes yet.
I asked this seller if they thought the OGH description to their auction might be misleading. They were advertising a coin in, what I consider to be, a rattler holder. Of course, this is/was the first time I've ever seen anybody selling a "usually-noted" rattler as an OGH. Their auction pics were not of the entire slab and could have been misleading. The auction description didn't mention the appropriate holder, either. This is an old (June '10) auction. I'm sorry I don't know how to pull up old auctions to look at.
Me - "Hello. Are you sure that's not a "rattler" holder?
tia"
Them - "LOL. Nothing misleading here. The rattler is the original old green holder. Read a book or know what you are talking about before you insultsomeone.Please do not bid on any of my items."
You know what? I haven't bid on any of their items either!
They obviously have a right to believe what they want to believe. I just hope they don't go too far and write-up further, more misleading auctions.
ed. - Thanks, btw, I really am trying to learn the nuances of all this. I guess I should've asked the seller if they meant OOGH (in their auction title/description)?
rattler holders are older than the OGH but the problem is we have not come up with a acronym for rattlers. It would not be misleading to call rattlers OGH and in fact, rattlers are oftentimes preferred over the OGH's themselves.
<< <i>rattler holders are older than the OGH but the problem is we have not come up with a acronym for rattlers. It would not be misleading to call rattlers OGH and in fact, rattlers are oftentimes preferred over the OGH's themselves.
That is why I proposed RAT. >>
In that case I have been working on getting a hold of some RATS for my Washington quarter date set. Maybe we can form a collecting group of Rattler holders....The Rattlers Association...or RATS A$$ for short.
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PCGS 9 This slab really belongs between #'s 4 and 5 but this is where you're going to get it. This was the Regency Slab, a special premium slab that was intended to allow the collector to recognize "special" coins. Either to showcase very rare pieces, special pedigree coins or even special events. The Regency slab is a large slab, five inches high and three across at the widest point. They cost $50 ($30 slabbing fee plus $20 for the special holder and personalized inscription) and you were allowed to specify a two line inscription to appear on the front label. (Maximm 44 characters.) According to Rick Montgomery these were produced from 1992 to 1995 but so far I've only been able to trace them from Mid 1994 to the first quarter of 1995. >>
Hmm, this looks pretty cool. Anyone have any of these?
Note that the 1881-S is shown as being from the 1995 summer ANA which supports Richard Montgomery's contention that these slabs were in use through 1995.
"The question wasn't so much the ending date as the starting date. I had traced them through the first quarter of 95 so having them last until the third quarter isn't too surprising. But Hall says they began in 192 and the earliest I had traced them was 94."
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<< <i>Is there a similar list for NGC slabs?
TD >>
Right here Tom!
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Somebody had asked me if there were ever any NGC slabs without serial numbers. I do not see such a one on that list. Were there sample slabs that are not on the list that might not have serial numbers?
Or does the guy have a CHinese fake?
TD
<< <i>Thank you.
Somebody had asked me if there were ever any NGC slabs without serial numbers. I do not see such a one on that list. Were there sample slabs that are not on the list that might not have serial numbers?
Or does the guy have a CHinese fake?
TD >>
NGC has slabbed Morgan silver dollars, ASE's etc for the mass marketers on television and in the popular mags with the grade "BRILLIANT UNCIRCULATED". I don't think these slabs had any serial numbers.
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I figured that I could just look up the serial number on the PCGS website and get the date the coin was slabbed.
Never did find that....
Now, your excellent information allows me to 'date' my older rattler & green holder coins.
I also had thought that the yellow label holders were a different variety.
Thanks for the super info.
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<< <i>I had ALWAYS wanted to know just how many years my coins have resided in their holders.
I figured that I could just look up the serial number on the PCGS website and get the date the coin was slabbed.
Never did find that....
Now, your excellent information allows me to 'date' my older rattler & green holder coins.
I also had thought that the yellow label holders were a different variety.
Thanks for the super info. >>
The yellow label holders are actually green label holders that label has changed color on. Exposure to sunlight or just bright light seems to of been the cause.
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PCGS 9 This slab really belongs between #'s 4 and 5 but this is where you're going to get it. This was the Regency Slab, a special premium slab that was intended to allow the collector to recognize "special" coins. Either to showcase very rare pieces, special pedigree coins or even special events. The Regency slab is a large slab, five inches high and three across at the widest point. They cost $50 ($30 slabbing fee plus $20 for the special holder and personalized inscription) and you were allowed to specify a two line inscription to appear on the front label. (Maximm 44 characters.) According to Rick Montgomery these were produced from 1992 to 1995 but so far I've only been able to trace them from Mid 1994 to the first quarter of 1995. >>
Hmm, this looks pretty cool. Anyone have any of these? >>
Nope but I just saw an 1836 quarter eagle in the Heritage archives that was in one of these slabs. It was part of the Make an owner an offer deal they are running now. ')
The label is blue colored just like the current blue PCGS label which started with the PCGS 6 label.
However, the printing font on the label and the slab itself has all of the characteristics of the green PCGS 5 slab/label.
I have seen just a couple of the PCGS 5.5(pending) slab/labels and presently believe I have one or two of them. All of the ones I have seen have the numbers which represents that they were graded at a coin show by PCGS. I believe PCGS started to use the new blue paper labels at the show but used the old labeling program and also must have had a few of the old plastic slabs side with the gold colored foil lettering and gold hologram to use up.
So PCGS unintentionally put together a transitional slab?
This is the answer I've been trying to get in those other slab/OGH threads that I ttt'd.
I know what I think is (thought was) the proper answer, but was told otherwise by a "more knowledgeable"
and he had a web site with all of them on it.
i wonder what happen to him?
<< <i>You mean to tell me, based on the looks here, that a "rattler" slab should really NOT be considered an "OGH"?
This is the answer I've been trying to get in those other slab/OGH threads that I ttt'd.
I know what I think is (thought was) the proper answer, but was told otherwise by a "more knowledgeable"
I don't consider the rattlers to be an OGH unless you consider them to be original green holders or FGH first green holders.
Me - "Hello. Are you sure that's not a "rattler" holder?
tia"
Them - "LOL. Nothing misleading here. The rattler is the original old green holder. Read a book or know what you are talking about before you insultsomeone.Please do not bid on any of my items."
You know what? I haven't bid on any of their items either!
They obviously have a right to believe what they want to believe. I just hope they don't go too far and write-up further, more misleading auctions.
ed. - Thanks, btw, I really am trying to learn the nuances of all this. I guess I should've asked the seller if they meant OOGH (in their auction title/description)?
That is why I proposed RAT.
<< <i>rattler holders are older than the OGH but the problem is we have not come up with a acronym for rattlers. It would not be misleading to call rattlers OGH and in fact, rattlers are oftentimes preferred over the OGH's themselves.
That is why I proposed RAT. >>
In that case I have been working on getting a hold of some RATS for my Washington quarter date set. Maybe we can form a collecting group of Rattler holders....The Rattlers Association...or RATS A$$ for short.
Sorry couldn't help myself.