It would be interesting to continue the lineup with more recent developments, like Secure Plus, which adds the shield emblem and "PCGS Secure Plus" repeated in micro print to produce a velvety blue background. We can note that these are produced along-side traditional blue holders (with the addition now of plus grading in both), and that Secure Plus represents additional layers of service.
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Sure would like to see an update........ not sure how to file my slabs in the correct order.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko.
Nice Job! I seem to remember that the slabs you have numbered 2,2.5,3 and 3.5 did not interlock when you tried to stack them and were a pain to handle.
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For anyone who may be interested, I have 1964-D Roosevelt Dime PCGS samples in the tough type 1 "rattler" and type 3 "doily" which are now listed on eBay... Item #s 300907926556 & 300907923352
Also, can anyone identify this style of PCGS holder?
Don't think I'd ever come across one of these before... Wondering if this is some sort of sample/promotional piece? It's pretty obvious that the encapsulated coin does NOT fit the advertised grade.
Yes, he published his book back in 2003; I believe it was a quite limited edition and sold out quickly. I don't know if there have been multiple printings!
<< <i>Yes, he published his book back in 2003; I believe it was a quite limited edition and sold out quickly. I don't know if there have been multiple printings! >>
MsMorrisine, maybe a revised edition of Condor's book? I would take on the challenge myself if I had the time. But sadly, I do not. >>
Never interacted with Conder. Perhaps there is an updated thread or book out there.
Another change to document is the barcode format change. The addition of the plus is another. That happened first with SP, but later with plain holders. Luckily the plus was covered by PR.
don't know how hard to update this but updates are being done privately by someone that is an author that lives not to far north of me if my info is correct! .
....I purchased the original book from a forum member a while back(Thank You Sir ) I wish condor was still a member here, but who am I to wish upon a star
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All of my 2010 first spouse in non-secure plus, flag/first-strike holders with a holo where the saint is holographic. All of my 2011 first spouse in secure plus with a holo where the saint is not holographic for most they are white/grayscale, but I have my Alice Paul and Lucretia Garfield where the are more of a gray blue shading.
I note I have some 2011 SP holders that I made with the holo miscut and slicing through the bottom of the saint. Also two 2011 SP labels I made has a complete barcode printed on the reverse and with space between the bottom of barcode and the actual bottom of the label.
my 2011 secure plus first spouse have non-fade blue labels with the bar code on the front and back. my 2012 secure plus first spouse (only have alice paul and france cleveland 1st in SP) have the blue fade front and an all white back.
Starting in 2012, I have some Mercanti signed labels for my first spouse with no holo on the holder. I guess I need autograph verification services to holder the autograph in the holder.
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I have all but 1 of my 2013 First Spouses in Flag Holders. (but no 2012 nor 2011 first spouse in flag holders to compare) They now have the coin number, grade and cert number on the same line as the barcode. the barcode is on the left the numerics are on the right. For my 2007-2010 first spouse in flag holders, they only have the cert number on the right, and no coin number nor grade.
I also note my 2011 prong gaskets are clear While the 2012 and 2013 are whitish.
Also, the 2011 width of the top line can at times be wide enough to print a bit over the shield and the second line with the spouse name is not centered
let it be known that in this era of a new holder and a new hologram that I received back from pcgs grading two modern silver commemoratives in the new holder using the old hologram with the blue-gray saint.
If someone could please update the Original Post I for one would appreciate it.
I have done a search but found nothing this extensive. If someone knows of a list this extensive please let me know.
If someone could forward this to the correct person to Handel this at PCGS thank you.
Since the original user was banned I was hoping that maybe PCGS could do it and leave it at the top of the forum for awhile.
Thanks in advance,
TexasT
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It's interesting in that PCGS looks at the plastic more than the labels when defining it's generations.
Had an extensive discussion with BJ in 2016 when planning the samples exhibit for FUN and LB - took us a while to realize we were talking different languages.
The museum of holders is a useful reference. I still find Condors generations more useful when looking for specific "generations".
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko.
I always thought that it would be useful to be able to learn the date a coin was slabbed.
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<< <i>Whatever happened to old Conder101 anyway?? >>
He got banned here but he actively posts on the NGC chat room.
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<< <i>Whatever happened to old Conder101 anyway?? >>
He also posts on Coin Chat.
<< <i>Sure would like to see an update........ not sure how to file my slabs in the correct order.
Conder isn't on these boards anymore
He was banned...he is on the NGC boards though and may have an update.
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Nice Job! I seem to remember that the slabs you have numbered 2,2.5,3 and 3.5 did not interlock when
you tried to stack them and were a pain to handle.
Everybody's got plans--until they get hit
--Mike Tyson
Also, can anyone identify this style of PCGS holder?
Don't think I'd ever come across one of these before... Wondering if this is some sort of sample/promotional piece? It's pretty obvious that the encapsulated coin does NOT fit the advertised grade.
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I agree with you. But it would be at least a tad odd for our hosts to sticky a thread created by a banned member...
<< <i>Yes, he published his book back in 2003; I believe it was a quite limited edition and sold out quickly. I don't know if there have been multiple printings! >>
Thanks!
Anyone know the books name?
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We have the new hologram.
the blue fade.
secure plus
prongs
anything else?
then there are special labels:
first strike flag labels
then the various dealer labels, like the black diamond, and more
The forum has documented the approx. dates of the prongs, SP, and newer changes. (except any possible subtle holo changes) those should be easy.
but have their been subtle changes like to the hologram over the years? How do we nail down the date(s) of the transition for stuff like that?
my subs only go back to maybe mid 2006
<< <i>Great thread
Anyone know the books name? >>
MsMorrisine, maybe a revised edition of Condor's book? I would take on the challenge myself if I had the time. But sadly, I do not.
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<< <i>Great thread
Anyone know the books name? >>
MsMorrisine, maybe a revised edition of Condor's book? I would take on the challenge myself if I had the time. But sadly, I do not. >>
Never interacted with Conder. Perhaps there is an updated thread or book out there.
Another change to document is the barcode format change. The addition of the plus is another. That happened first with SP, but later with plain holders. Luckily the plus was covered by PR.
<< <i>how difficult will it be to update this? >>
don't know how hard to update this but updates are being done privately by someone that is an author that lives not to far north of me if my info is correct!
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...if I wink one more time, my eyeball may fall out
...ok it didn't fall out but it hurts...
Erik
in 2011 :
Regular Gasket:
Lucy Hayes
Julia Grant
also an MS Lucretia Garfield and a single PR Eliza Johnsom
Prong Gasket:
2 Proof Lucretia Garfield and a Proof Eliza Johnson.
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On the hologram:
All of my 2010 first spouse in non-secure plus, flag/first-strike holders with a holo where the saint is holographic.
All of my 2011 first spouse in secure plus with a holo where the saint is not holographic for most they are white/grayscale, but I have my Alice Paul and Lucretia Garfield where the are more of a gray blue shading.
I note I have some 2011 SP holders that I made with the holo miscut and slicing through the bottom of the saint.
Also two 2011 SP labels I made has a complete barcode printed on the reverse and with space between the bottom of barcode and the actual bottom of the label.
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blue fade on secure plus:
my 2011 secure plus first spouse have non-fade blue labels with the bar code on the front and back.
my 2012 secure plus first spouse (only have alice paul and france cleveland 1st in SP) have the blue fade front and an all white back.
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special labels:
Starting in 2012, I have some Mercanti signed labels for my first spouse with no holo on the holder. I guess I need autograph verification services to holder the autograph in the holder.
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I have all but 1 of my 2013 First Spouses in Flag Holders. (but no 2012 nor 2011 first spouse in flag holders to compare) They now have the coin number, grade and cert number on the same line as the barcode. the barcode is on the left the numerics are on the right. For my 2007-2010 first spouse in flag holders, they only have the cert number on the right, and no coin number nor grade.
I printed that to a PDF so I can always find it quickly.
While the 2012 and 2013 are whitish.
Also, the 2011 width of the top line can at times be wide enough to print a bit over the shield and the second line with the spouse name is not centered
Various issues are printed slightly crooked.
the coins I made just above are in the new plastic with the old holo.
I bought some more recent 2014 issues and they are in the old plastic with the old holo.
post deleted... the slab in question is a 2
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Was still on these boards to update it.
always a good refresher course for me.
If someone could please update the Original Post I for one would appreciate it.
I have done a search but found nothing this extensive. If someone knows of a list this extensive please let me know.
If someone could forward this to the correct person to Handel this at PCGS thank you.
Since the original user was banned I was hoping that maybe PCGS could do it and leave it at the top of the forum for awhile.
Thanks in advance,
TexasT
Fighting the Fight for 11 Years with the big "C" - Never Ever Give Up!
Member PCGS Open Forum board 2002 - 2006 (closed end of 2006) Current board since 2006 Successful trades with many members, over the past two decades, never a bad deal.
PCGS has a page with this info.
https://www.pcgs.com/holders
Well, that's useful!
It's interesting in that PCGS looks at the plastic more than the labels when defining it's generations.
Had an extensive discussion with BJ in 2016 when planning the samples exhibit for FUN and LB - took us a while to realize we were talking different languages.
The museum of holders is a useful reference. I still find Condors generations more useful when looking for specific "generations".
I agree.
Very useful link, thank you.
I always thought that it would be useful to be able to learn the date a coin was slabbed.
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Member PCGS Open Forum board 2002 - 2006 (closed end of 2006) Current board since 2006 Successful trades with many members, over the past two decades, never a bad deal.
Anyone save away the original (lost) pictures from this post and could re-post them please?