4/23's are the only rolls I've found the skeletons.......plenty of them. 9883 and 9774 all different times, but only 4/23 date.
I also went through the reverse side of all the coins from 50 or more rolls, and only a few rolls of obverses........which is where I came across the large die cracked examples.......so I'm betting there are plenty of die cracks waiting in our boxes of once searched coins.
Also I only searched the center of the hand on each coin, and believe me, the skeletons stood out you couldn't have missed those.
Have fun being retired.....I tried it in my 30's, couldn't handle it, so here I am today still trying it 25 years later, just can't handle it. Every 2 or so years I try it, it lasts about 2 weeks.
To whine and complain about Wexler for listing the other FY varieties while in the same breath you want Wexler to list your varieties comes across as a really arrogant, self-conceited total disregard of other submitters.
My primary function as a professional attributer is to accept an individual's package, who took the time, the money/fees involved in shipping their coin(s) for examination, attribution, photography, documenting and disseminating that pertinent variety information to collectors who maybe interested. Whether the variety submitted be major, minor or somewhere in-between is not a factor in consideration of a submitters coins and is totally beside the point.
Billy G. Crawford Author and Publisher of the on-line Die Variety News magazine Author of A Detailed Analysis of Lincoln Cent Varieties 1959 - Present Co-author of The Authoritative Reference on Eisenhower Dollars with John A. Wexler and Kevin Flynn >>
Oh Baloney Billy!
The variety that Wexler and you and James Wiles listed for me doesn't require a scope to see such as DDR-048 and DDR-055. Both of those should have qualified as "too minor" to list since I doubt that either one can be seen with a loupe. The DDR-001 and DDR-002 are both very easily seen with a loupe not to mention that fact that both were proof coins of which nobody bothered to check out.
Lets recap: Business Strike DDR-048................................................................................Business Strike DDR-055 ..
Let's see........Which one has the better chance of selling?..... >>
Do you really trust this guy? >>
I think everyone has the right to price the coins they sell at whatever price they choose. Now, whether or not the market will bear that price is another issue.
I was asking because I had just seen it on John Wexler's site. Here is his Quote: Reverse Stage B: A long die crack runs from the rim through the right side of the A in STATES ending in the field to the left of Lincoln’s eyes. Quote about stage B: This long die crack seen on Stage B of 2009 1c FY WDDR-006 indicates that this reverse die would soon fail and be removed from use.
Thank You Mr. Wexler for all the fine work you do.
To whine and complain about Wexler for listing the other FY varieties while in the same breath you want Wexler to list your varieties comes across as a really arrogant, self-conceited total disregard of other submitters.
My primary function as a professional attributer is to accept an individual's package, who took the time, the money/fees involved in shipping their coin(s) for examination, attribution, photography, documenting and disseminating that pertinent variety information to collectors who maybe interested. Whether the variety submitted be major, minor or somewhere in-between is not a factor in consideration of a submitters coins and is totally beside the point.
Billy G. Crawford Author and Publisher of the on-line Die Variety News magazine Author of A Detailed Analysis of Lincoln Cent Varieties 1959 - Present Co-author of The Authoritative Reference on Eisenhower Dollars with John A. Wexler and Kevin Flynn >>
Oh Baloney Billy!
The variety that Wexler and you and James Wiles listed for me doesn't require a scope to see such as DDR-048 and DDR-055. Both of those should have qualified as "too minor" to list since I doubt that either one can be seen with a loupe. The DDR-001 and DDR-002 are both very easily seen with a loupe not to mention that fact that both were proof coins of which nobody bothered to check out.
Lets recap: Business Strike DDR-048................................................................................Business Strike DDR-055 ..
Oh and did I mention that I didn't care for your choice of words!
Lee C. Lydston Author of Nothing Contributer to Everything I have an opinion on. >>
Lee,
It is your prerogative to collect or not to collect the minor varieties.
But it is NOT your prerogative to dictate policy on what is deemed as listable in my files.
Irregardless of whether the variety is major, minor or in-between, I try to do my best in treating collectors and submitters fairly with mutual respect and in a timely fashion. I have even treated your past submission of a coin with quick attribution and photographing and then forwarded your coin onward to another attributer for their examination on the very same day I received your coin.
However, your dictating one-way attitude does not afford me nor other collectors and submitters with any mutual respect.
Lee, you do not need to send any more coins to me for examination.
Just for the hell of it I just bought 4 rolls of 4/17's and 3 rolls of 4/23's. I still believe in these things. I will hold these along with the rest of the good dates that I have, unopened, to see what happens.
<< <i>I still believe in these things. I will hold these along with the rest of the good dates that I have, unopened, to see what happens. >>
So the fact that MS 67 001's and 002's will not sell at $50 doesn't bother you at all???? Not that many 68's out there and the 67's sell for chump change??
I was a believer in these babies but I can't logically buy any more rolls or have any more graded UNTIL THEY FREAKIN' SELL
I have hundreds that will probably just sit where they are forever......
Just how many do you really need????
Maybe this little forum click is the only interest these cents have....Have you noticed that the posters are the same 5-6 over and over????
Think of all the collectors that are interested in Lincoln cents..........5-6 over and over
To whine and complain about Wexler for listing the other FY varieties while in the same breath you want Wexler to list your varieties comes across as a really arrogant, self-conceited total disregard of other submitters.
My primary function as a professional attributer is to accept an individual's package, who took the time, the money/fees involved in shipping their coin(s) for examination, attribution, photography, documenting and disseminating that pertinent variety information to collectors who maybe interested. Whether the variety submitted be major, minor or somewhere in-between is not a factor in consideration of a submitters coins and is totally beside the point.
Billy G. Crawford Author and Publisher of the on-line Die Variety News magazine Author of A Detailed Analysis of Lincoln Cent Varieties 1959 - Present Co-author of The Authoritative Reference on Eisenhower Dollars with John A. Wexler and Kevin Flynn >>
Oh Baloney Billy!
The variety that Wexler and you and James Wiles listed for me doesn't require a scope to see such as DDR-048 and DDR-055. Both of those should have qualified as "too minor" to list since I doubt that either one can be seen with a loupe. The DDR-001 and DDR-002 are both very easily seen with a loupe not to mention that fact that both were proof coins of which nobody bothered to check out.
Lets recap: Business Strike DDR-048................................................................................Business Strike DDR-055 (Redacted Image)..........................................................................................(Redacted Image)
Oh and did I mention that I didn't care for your choice of words!
Lee C. Lydston Author of Nothing Contributer to Everything I have an opinion on. >>
Lee,
It is your prerogative to collect or not to collect the minor varieties.
But it is NOT your prerogative to dictate policy on what is deemed as listable in my files.
Irregardless of whether the variety is major, minor or in-between, I try to do my best in treating collectors and submitters fairly with mutual respect and in a timely fashion. I have even treated your past submission of a coin with quick attribution and photographing and then forwarded your coin onward to another attributer for their examination on the very same day I received your coin.
However, your dictating one-way attitude does not afford me nor other collectors and submitters with any mutual respect.
Lee, you do not need to send any more coins to me for examination.
Billy G. Crawford >>
Billy, Billy, Billy! Sorry but I just have to call "Oh Baloney" once again as I didn't dictate anything!
I asked.................
"I'm just a little curious as to whatever happened to "too minor to list?"" and "Can we bring back too minor to List? " and then stated (not dictated) "IMO, when the minor doubling falls into the category where it can ONLY be seen with a microscope, then consideration should be given as to whether or not its TOO minor to actually be listed. "
As for the recent submission I had with you, yes you turned it around rather quickly but you failed to mention that I had supplied you with the prepaid mailers so all you really had little to do, other than add the coin to your files and photograph it, was to put it in the mailer and mail it off. I did appreciate the quick turn around but I think I did all the work on the forwarding aspect.
Did I NEED your attribution? Heck no! I inquired as to whether or not the variety had been reported to avoid sending you something which had already been attributed but not yet published. You responded with "Currently, I do not have any listings for FY proof issue yet. I would appreciate the opportunity to examine." So, in a sense, you asked me to send it to you.
As for the "Lee, you do not need to send any more coins to me for examination." comment. How very professional of you!
Be assured that in the future I will forward my DDO/DDR inquiries to folks who can respond to a "I'm just a little curious as to whatever happened to 'too minor to list'?" post with a bit more numismatic professionalism.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
To whine and complain about Wexler for listing the other FY varieties while in the same breath you want Wexler to list your varieties comes across as a really arrogant, self-conceited total disregard of other submitters.
My primary function as a professional attributer is to accept an individual's package, who took the time, the money/fees involved in shipping their coin(s) for examination, attribution, photography, documenting and disseminating that pertinent variety information to collectors who maybe interested. Whether the variety submitted be major, minor or somewhere in-between is not a factor in consideration of a submitters coins and is totally beside the point.
Billy G. Crawford Author and Publisher of the on-line Die Variety News magazine Author of A Detailed Analysis of Lincoln Cent Varieties 1959 - Present Co-author of The Authoritative Reference on Eisenhower Dollars with John A. Wexler and Kevin Flynn >>
Oh Baloney Billy!
The variety that Wexler and you and James Wiles listed for me doesn't require a scope to see such as DDR-048 and DDR-055. Both of those should have qualified as "too minor" to list since I doubt that either one can be seen with a loupe. The DDR-001 and DDR-002 are both very easily seen with a loupe not to mention that fact that both were proof coins of which nobody bothered to check out.
Lets recap: Business Strike DDR-048................................................................................Business Strike DDR-055 (Redacted Image)..........................................................................................(Redacted Image)
Oh and did I mention that I didn't care for your choice of words!
Lee C. Lydston Author of Nothing Contributer to Everything I have an opinion on. >>
Lee,
It is your prerogative to collect or not to collect the minor varieties.
But it is NOT your prerogative to dictate policy on what is deemed as listable in my files.
Irregardless of whether the variety is major, minor or in-between, I try to do my best in treating collectors and submitters fairly with mutual respect and in a timely fashion. I have even treated your past submission of a coin with quick attribution and photographing and then forwarded your coin onward to another attributer for their examination on the very same day I received your coin.
However, your dictating one-way attitude does not afford me nor other collectors and submitters with any mutual respect.
Lee, you do not need to send any more coins to me for examination.
Billy G. Crawford >>
Billy, Billy, Billy! Sorry but I just have to call "Oh Baloney" once again as I didn't dictate anything!
I asked.................
"I'm just a little curious as to whatever happened to "too minor to list?"" and "Can we bring back too minor to List? " and then stated (not dictated) "IMO, when the minor doubling falls into the category where it can ONLY be seen with a microscope, then consideration should be given as to whether or not its TOO minor to actually be listed. "
As for the recent submission I had with you, yes you turned it around rather quickly but you failed to mention that I had supplied you with the prepaid mailers so all you really had little to do, other than add the coin to your files and photograph it, was to put it in the mailer and mail it off. I did appreciate the quick turn around but I think I did all the work on the forwarding aspect.
Did I NEED your attribution? Heck no! I inquired as to whether or not the variety had been reported to avoid sending you something which had already been attributed but not yet published. You responded with "Currently, I do not have any listings for FY proof issue yet. I would appreciate the opportunity to examine." So, in a sense, you asked me to send it to you.
As for the "Lee, you do not need to send any more coins to me for examination." comment. How very professional of you!
Be assured that in the future I will forward my DDO/DDR inquiries to folks who can respond to a "I'm just a little curious as to whatever happened to 'too minor to list'?" post with a bit more numismatic professionalism. >>
Lee,
On one of your packages you sent the wrong size pre-mailer. I had to get another mailer with the correct size and pay for the shipping.
Submissions from other collectors were ahead of you in line. Since you were in a rush, I jumped ahead and did an examination, took photos of your coin, then take the film up to processing, then wait for the processing, then take the developed photos back home. Then I had to re-package and make a trip to the P.O. to ensure correct postage cost due to your incorrect size pre-mailer.
But no, you don't take in any considerations of others. You are only concerned about yourself.
Here's some friendly advice for you, you need to quit while your way behind. You already shown yourself to me and many collectors about your self-centered attitude.
I'm not stepping in to defend anyone or take sides here. I appreciate the opinions of the professionals and those that take the time to help the collecting community out by offering services and photo's/descriptions at no charge.
<< <i>I appreciate the opinions of the professionals and those that take the time to help the collecting community out by offering services and photo's/descriptions at no charge. >>
Huh?
Those attributions cost $3.00 apiece plus return shipping fees. Read the Submission Guidelines on DVN................
<< <i>Lee,
On one of your packages you sent the wrong size pre-mailer. I had to get another mailer with the correct size and pay for the shipping.
Submissions from other collectors were ahead of you in line. Since you were in a rush, I jumped ahead and did an examination, took photos of your coin, then take the film up to processing, then wait for the processing, then take the developed photos back home. Then I had to re-package and make a trip to the P.O. to ensure correct postage cost due to your incorrect size pre-mailer.
But no, you don't take in any considerations of others. You are only concerned about yourself.
Here's some friendly advice for you, you need to quit while your way behind. You already shown yourself to me and many collectors about your self-centered attitude.
Billy G. Crawford >>
Dang! Did I get James Wiles label on the 9 1/2 x 12 1/2 mailer instead of John Wexlers as thats the only way it could have been the wrong size. If I recall correctly, I put John Wexler's label on the 9 1/2 x 12 1/2 and James Wiles label on the smaller 6 x 10 mailer but I can also see that the John Wexler label was never processed.
Tell me, why didn't you cut it off and use it since it was, after all, a Priority Mail Flat Rate Label anyway?
Hmmm. Self Centered because I asked "whatever happened to too minor to list"?
Unless you can respond to my inquiry on a professional level without slandering me or attacking me then you should really stop with your "advice" and start acting like the "professional" you claim to be.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
Opps, I have never sent anything in for attribution so I did not know there was a fee. Anyway, it's sounds like a lot of work for little pay and the guys, and gals ???, that do it must enjoy it to some degree.
Again, I'm not getting into any debate here or picking sides, but think we should TRY to keep this thread going and not get off track too far to the point it might go poof.
They just don't interest me. I have more interest right now in picking up good date box sets to go along with all my other error coins. I know interest has come down on these errors at this point but I feel there is going to be a lot of activity on these sets now that the mint has sold out. I doubt that there is going to be errors found in the 3rd coin in the series.
<< <i>They just don't interest me. I have more interest right now in picking up good date box sets to go along with all my other error coins. I know interest has come down on these errors at this point but I feel there is going to be a lot of activity on these sets now that the mint has sold out. I doubt that there is going to be errors found in the 3rd coin in the series. >>
I have not seen any indicators on the Proofs which I have examined but that doesn't mean the business strikes will be error free.
I expect that most of the FY DDR's were due to the "hurry up schedule" on producing all those die's but I still do not understand why Denver was Error Free. The Log Cabin coins had some DDR's the FY had a bunch of DDR's and I expect that the Professional Life coins will have some DDR's as well.
Its just a question of how dramatic they might be.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
<< <i>We could have the only proof errors (in low quantity I might add) available in this series. These are bound to increase in value . >>
Oh? How long do we have to live to see that? >>
Any that have sold for more than $52.95 have already shown an increase in value and the last time I checked, the minimum sales were a lot more than $52.95 while some were considerable more than $52.95.
Of course, all this goes to really show is that rarity is only a small part of the value for anything. You have to have at least two folks that really want it.
Oh wait, am I being pompous?
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
<< <i>We could have the only proof errors (in low quantity I might add) available in this series. These are bound to increase in value . >>
Oh? How long do we have to live to see that? >>
Any that have sold for more than $52.95 have already shown an increase in value and the last time I checked, the minimum sales were a lot more than $52.95 while some were considerable more than $52.95.
Of course, all this goes to really show is that rarity is only a small part of the value for anything. You have to have at least two folks that really want it.
Oh wait, am I being pompous? >>
The proof ddr's will never reach their potential if PCGS fails to recognize it. I don't think it excites many people anyway being you basically need a scope to see it.....I'm just sayin
<< <i>The proof ddr's will never reach their potential if PCGS fails to recognize it. I don't think it excites many people anyway being you basically need a scope to see it.....I'm just sayin >>
You don't need a scope to see the proof DDRs, a loupe yes, no scope
<< <i>The proof ddr's will never reach their potential if PCGS fails to recognize it. I don't think it excites many people anyway being you basically need a scope to see it.....I'm just sayin >>
You don't need a scope to see the proof DDRs, a loupe yes, no scope >>
Man, I would need a scope to see all the stupid VAM' s out there listed by PCGS. When I say stupid it is really meant to say the many different Varieties that are recognized.
<< <i>The proof ddr's will never reach their potential if PCGS fails to recognize it. I don't think it excites many people anyway being you basically need a scope to see it.....I'm just sayin >>
Scopes definitely make a difference but are totally optional with these two.
As for PCGS, they didn't attribute the 1972 Type 2 IKE until around 1999 so I wouldn't put too much stock in your statement. ANY collectible coin, is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it and there are many more factors involved than just PCGS or even the Redbook when determining a coins potential.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
I bought a box on Ebay dated 4/17 seller said it was sealed in large letters and then at the bottom he stated it was opened to take the pictures. I thought the worst thinking key date box and he put any rolls he wanted in it. I was shocked when I received the box. I opened the box and looked at the P roll and to my surprise it was a tails tails roll, with a WDDR-003 on one end and a WDDR-002 on the other end. I'm shocked to say the least. Yea Ha nice roll.
I've been keeping a log of all of the errors I've found in my searches. I've kept each individual date, batch, and time with the list of results
(totals of each error by Wexler numbers) I haven't sent in any for grading since the market has been weak thus far. I thought it might be
interesting to see how many of each errors others have found, graded or not, now that we are later in the game.... I will start:
ERROR TOTAL
wddr-001 12 wddr-002 31 wddr-003 8 wddr-004 36 wddr-005 124 wddr-006 21 wddr-007 0 (only ddr I will list if zero found) wddr-008 77 wddr-010 8 wddr-013 13b rev 8 wddr-020 22 wddr-023 1
catfish obverse 65 (each of these has a "bookmark" and small ("cud"?) between the book and leg on the reverse...not listed?) log die crack 16 boot die crack 21 (small die cracks around the boots extending down to rim...not the massive boot die crack) extra blade of grass reverse (die clash?) by left boot facing (my discovery still not listed) 31 large die crack from top rim through Lincoln's head down to jaw "crackhead Lincoln" 3 small die crack from top rim through the "S" to top of Lincoln's head 3
Of course, there were many varieties found that I have not yet attributed due to time constraints (I'm sure I have some of the later ddr's)
Just thought we might do a tally and see how many of each are actually out there. Some obviously will be more rare than others. This way
we might be able to determine which ones will become the "holy grail"
edited note : I have searched 36 mint sealed boxes only, no bank wrapped rolls.
Thanks in advance for playing along!
....and in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make....
<< <i>Things going badly on Ebay.....sales have come waaaay down. I saw a 4/23 box go for about $22 (they were at about $65) I bought a 4/24 box yesterday in an Ebay auction for $5.51 ($10 total with priority shipping) There were ten bidders!!!! I think people have moved on if that auction is any indication. See you all on the other side (Lp3 side that is!) Let the errors be few in variety and rare in quantity! >>
So what's up with this basic double thumb going for $10 last I looked????????
Comments
I also went through the reverse side of all the coins from 50 or more rolls, and only a few rolls of obverses........which is where I came across the large die cracked examples.......so I'm betting there are plenty of die cracks waiting in our boxes of once searched coins.
Also I only searched the center of the hand on each coin, and believe me, the skeletons stood out you couldn't have missed those.
Have fun being retired.....I tried it in my 30's, couldn't handle it, so here I am today still trying it 25 years later, just can't handle it. Every 2 or so years I try it, it lasts about 2 weeks.
<< <i>Just for sh*ts and giggles:
Two listings on Ebay for the same error and grade (CDDR-002/WDDR-001) MS 67 grade
Your choice:
MS67
MS67#2
Let's see........Which one has the better chance of selling?..... >>
Do you really trust this guy?
<< <i>19lyds:
To whine and complain about Wexler for listing the other FY varieties while in the same breath you want Wexler to list your varieties comes across as a really arrogant, self-conceited total disregard of other submitters.
My primary function as a professional attributer is to accept an individual's package, who took the time, the money/fees involved in shipping their coin(s) for examination, attribution, photography, documenting and disseminating that pertinent variety information to collectors who maybe interested. Whether the variety submitted be major, minor or somewhere in-between is not a factor in consideration of a submitters coins and is totally beside the point.
Billy G. Crawford
Author and Publisher of the on-line Die Variety News magazine
Author of A Detailed Analysis of Lincoln Cent Varieties 1959 - Present
Co-author of The Authoritative Reference on Eisenhower Dollars with John A. Wexler and Kevin Flynn >>
Oh Baloney Billy!
The variety that Wexler and you and James Wiles listed for me doesn't require a scope to see such as DDR-048 and DDR-055. Both of those should have qualified as "too minor" to list since I doubt that either one can be seen with a loupe. The DDR-001 and DDR-002 are both very easily seen with a loupe not to mention that fact that both were proof coins of which nobody bothered to check out.
Lets recap:
Business Strike DDR-048................................................................................Business Strike DDR-055
Proof DDR-001................................................................................................Proof DDR-002
Oh and did I mention that I didn't care for your choice of words!
Lee C. Lydston
Author of Nothing
Contributer to Everything I have an opinion on.
The name is LEE!
<< <i>
<< <i>Just for sh*ts and giggles:
Two listings on Ebay for the same error and grade (CDDR-002/WDDR-001) MS 67 grade
Your choice:
MS67
MS67#2
Let's see........Which one has the better chance of selling?..... >>
Do you really trust this guy? >>
I think everyone has the right to price the coins they sell at whatever price they choose. Now, whether or not the market will bear that price is another issue.
Successful Trades: Swampboy,
<< <i>Any one here find the 006/009 stage b with the die crack >>
picture?
<< <i>I have them but I just do not know where. I also saw some with cracks .
These will be good to go through this winter after I retire.
I have some 4/16 boxes 9774 12:23 and can not remember if these are any good or not and 1 4/23 9774 08:14. Any help? >>
I opened the 4/23 box this morning and found 8 skeleton fingers.
Sold Out
LP3 goes on sale tomorrow
This long die crack seen on Stage B of 2009 1c FY WDDR-006 indicates that this reverse die would soon fail and be removed from use.
Thank You Mr. Wexler for all the fine work you do.
Successful Trades: Swampboy,
<< <i>
<< <i>19lyds:
To whine and complain about Wexler for listing the other FY varieties while in the same breath you want Wexler to list your varieties comes across as a really arrogant, self-conceited total disregard of other submitters.
My primary function as a professional attributer is to accept an individual's package, who took the time, the money/fees involved in shipping their coin(s) for examination, attribution, photography, documenting and disseminating that pertinent variety information to collectors who maybe interested. Whether the variety submitted be major, minor or somewhere in-between is not a factor in consideration of a submitters coins and is totally beside the point.
Billy G. Crawford
Author and Publisher of the on-line Die Variety News magazine
Author of A Detailed Analysis of Lincoln Cent Varieties 1959 - Present
Co-author of The Authoritative Reference on Eisenhower Dollars with John A. Wexler and Kevin Flynn >>
Oh Baloney Billy!
The variety that Wexler and you and James Wiles listed for me doesn't require a scope to see such as DDR-048 and DDR-055. Both of those should have qualified as "too minor" to list since I doubt that either one can be seen with a loupe. The DDR-001 and DDR-002 are both very easily seen with a loupe not to mention that fact that both were proof coins of which nobody bothered to check out.
Lets recap:
Business Strike DDR-048................................................................................Business Strike DDR-055
Proof DDR-001................................................................................................Proof DDR-002
Oh and did I mention that I didn't care for your choice of words!
Lee C. Lydston
Author of Nothing
Contributer to Everything I have an opinion on. >>
Lee,
It is your prerogative to collect or not to collect the minor varieties.
But it is NOT your prerogative to dictate policy on what is deemed as listable in my files.
Irregardless of whether the variety is major, minor or in-between, I try to do my best in treating collectors and submitters fairly with mutual respect and in a timely fashion. I have even treated your past submission of a coin with quick attribution and photographing and then forwarded your coin onward to another attributer for their examination on the very same day I received your coin.
However, your dictating one-way attitude does not afford me nor other collectors and submitters with any mutual respect.
Lee, you do not need to send any more coins to me for examination.
Billy G. Crawford
Just for the hell of it I just bought 4 rolls of 4/17's and 3 rolls of 4/23's. I still believe in these things. I will hold these along with the rest of the good dates that I have, unopened, to see what happens.
<< <i>I still believe in these things. I will hold these along with the rest of the good dates that I have, unopened, to see what happens. >>
So the fact that MS 67 001's and 002's will not sell at $50 doesn't bother you at all???? Not that many 68's out there and the 67's sell for chump change??
I was a believer in these babies but I can't logically buy any more rolls or have any more graded UNTIL THEY FREAKIN' SELL
I have hundreds that will probably just sit where they are forever......
Just how many do you really need????
Maybe this little forum click is the only interest these cents have....Have you noticed that the posters are the same 5-6 over and over????
Think of all the collectors that are interested in Lincoln cents..........5-6 over and over
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>19lyds:
To whine and complain about Wexler for listing the other FY varieties while in the same breath you want Wexler to list your varieties comes across as a really arrogant, self-conceited total disregard of other submitters.
My primary function as a professional attributer is to accept an individual's package, who took the time, the money/fees involved in shipping their coin(s) for examination, attribution, photography, documenting and disseminating that pertinent variety information to collectors who maybe interested. Whether the variety submitted be major, minor or somewhere in-between is not a factor in consideration of a submitters coins and is totally beside the point.
Billy G. Crawford
Author and Publisher of the on-line Die Variety News magazine
Author of A Detailed Analysis of Lincoln Cent Varieties 1959 - Present
Co-author of The Authoritative Reference on Eisenhower Dollars with John A. Wexler and Kevin Flynn >>
Oh Baloney Billy!
The variety that Wexler and you and James Wiles listed for me doesn't require a scope to see such as DDR-048 and DDR-055. Both of those should have qualified as "too minor" to list since I doubt that either one can be seen with a loupe. The DDR-001 and DDR-002 are both very easily seen with a loupe not to mention that fact that both were proof coins of which nobody bothered to check out.
Lets recap:
Business Strike DDR-048................................................................................Business Strike DDR-055
(Redacted Image)..........................................................................................(Redacted Image)
Proof DDR-001................................................................................................Proof DDR-002
(Redacted Image)..........................................................................................(Redacted Image)
Oh and did I mention that I didn't care for your choice of words!
Lee C. Lydston
Author of Nothing
Contributer to Everything I have an opinion on. >>
Lee,
It is your prerogative to collect or not to collect the minor varieties.
But it is NOT your prerogative to dictate policy on what is deemed as listable in my files.
Irregardless of whether the variety is major, minor or in-between, I try to do my best in treating collectors and submitters fairly with mutual respect and in a timely fashion. I have even treated your past submission of a coin with quick attribution and photographing and then forwarded your coin onward to another attributer for their examination on the very same day I received your coin.
However, your dictating one-way attitude does not afford me nor other collectors and submitters with any mutual respect.
Lee, you do not need to send any more coins to me for examination.
Billy G. Crawford >>
Billy, Billy, Billy! Sorry but I just have to call "Oh Baloney" once again as I didn't dictate anything!
I asked.................
"I'm just a little curious as to whatever happened to "too minor to list?"" and "Can we bring back too minor to List? " and then stated (not dictated) "IMO, when the minor doubling falls into the category where it can ONLY be seen with a microscope, then consideration should be given as to whether or not its TOO minor to actually be listed. "
As for the recent submission I had with you, yes you turned it around rather quickly but you failed to mention that I had supplied you with the prepaid mailers so all you really had little to do, other than add the coin to your files and photograph it, was to put it in the mailer and mail it off. I did appreciate the quick turn around but I think I did all the work on the forwarding aspect.
Did I NEED your attribution? Heck no! I inquired as to whether or not the variety had been reported to avoid sending you something which had already been attributed but not yet published. You responded with "Currently, I do not have any listings for FY proof issue yet. I would appreciate the opportunity to examine." So, in a sense, you asked me to send it to you.
As for the "Lee, you do not need to send any more coins to me for examination." comment. How very professional of you!
Be assured that in the future I will forward my DDO/DDR inquiries to folks who can respond to a "I'm just a little curious as to whatever happened to 'too minor to list'?" post with a bit more numismatic professionalism.
The name is LEE!
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<< <i>19lyds:
To whine and complain about Wexler for listing the other FY varieties while in the same breath you want Wexler to list your varieties comes across as a really arrogant, self-conceited total disregard of other submitters.
My primary function as a professional attributer is to accept an individual's package, who took the time, the money/fees involved in shipping their coin(s) for examination, attribution, photography, documenting and disseminating that pertinent variety information to collectors who maybe interested. Whether the variety submitted be major, minor or somewhere in-between is not a factor in consideration of a submitters coins and is totally beside the point.
Billy G. Crawford
Author and Publisher of the on-line Die Variety News magazine
Author of A Detailed Analysis of Lincoln Cent Varieties 1959 - Present
Co-author of The Authoritative Reference on Eisenhower Dollars with John A. Wexler and Kevin Flynn >>
Oh Baloney Billy!
The variety that Wexler and you and James Wiles listed for me doesn't require a scope to see such as DDR-048 and DDR-055. Both of those should have qualified as "too minor" to list since I doubt that either one can be seen with a loupe. The DDR-001 and DDR-002 are both very easily seen with a loupe not to mention that fact that both were proof coins of which nobody bothered to check out.
Lets recap:
Business Strike DDR-048................................................................................Business Strike DDR-055
(Redacted Image)..........................................................................................(Redacted Image)
Proof DDR-001................................................................................................Proof DDR-002
(Redacted Image)..........................................................................................(Redacted Image)
Oh and did I mention that I didn't care for your choice of words!
Lee C. Lydston
Author of Nothing
Contributer to Everything I have an opinion on. >>
Lee,
It is your prerogative to collect or not to collect the minor varieties.
But it is NOT your prerogative to dictate policy on what is deemed as listable in my files.
Irregardless of whether the variety is major, minor or in-between, I try to do my best in treating collectors and submitters fairly with mutual respect and in a timely fashion. I have even treated your past submission of a coin with quick attribution and photographing and then forwarded your coin onward to another attributer for their examination on the very same day I received your coin.
However, your dictating one-way attitude does not afford me nor other collectors and submitters with any mutual respect.
Lee, you do not need to send any more coins to me for examination.
Billy G. Crawford >>
Billy, Billy, Billy! Sorry but I just have to call "Oh Baloney" once again as I didn't dictate anything!
I asked.................
"I'm just a little curious as to whatever happened to "too minor to list?"" and "Can we bring back too minor to List? " and then stated (not dictated) "IMO, when the minor doubling falls into the category where it can ONLY be seen with a microscope, then consideration should be given as to whether or not its TOO minor to actually be listed. "
As for the recent submission I had with you, yes you turned it around rather quickly but you failed to mention that I had supplied you with the prepaid mailers so all you really had little to do, other than add the coin to your files and photograph it, was to put it in the mailer and mail it off. I did appreciate the quick turn around but I think I did all the work on the forwarding aspect.
Did I NEED your attribution? Heck no! I inquired as to whether or not the variety had been reported to avoid sending you something which had already been attributed but not yet published. You responded with "Currently, I do not have any listings for FY proof issue yet. I would appreciate the opportunity to examine." So, in a sense, you asked me to send it to you.
As for the "Lee, you do not need to send any more coins to me for examination." comment. How very professional of you!
Be assured that in the future I will forward my DDO/DDR inquiries to folks who can respond to a "I'm just a little curious as to whatever happened to 'too minor to list'?" post with a bit more numismatic professionalism. >>
Lee,
On one of your packages you sent the wrong size pre-mailer. I had to get another mailer with the correct size and pay for the shipping.
Submissions from other collectors were ahead of you in line. Since you were in a rush, I jumped ahead and did an examination, took photos of your coin, then take the film up to processing, then wait for the processing, then take the developed photos back home. Then I had to re-package and make a trip to the P.O. to ensure correct postage cost due to your incorrect size pre-mailer.
But no, you don't take in any considerations of others. You are only concerned about yourself.
Here's some friendly advice for you, you need to quit while your way behind. You already shown yourself to me and many collectors about your self-centered attitude.
Billy G. Crawford
<< <i>I appreciate the opinions of the professionals and those that take the time to help the collecting community out by offering services and photo's/descriptions at no charge. >>
Huh?
Those attributions cost $3.00 apiece plus return shipping fees. Read the Submission Guidelines on DVN................
<< <i>Lee,
On one of your packages you sent the wrong size pre-mailer. I had to get another mailer with the correct size and pay for the shipping.
Submissions from other collectors were ahead of you in line. Since you were in a rush, I jumped ahead and did an examination, took photos of your coin, then take the film up to processing, then wait for the processing, then take the developed photos back home. Then I had to re-package and make a trip to the P.O. to ensure correct postage cost due to your incorrect size pre-mailer.
But no, you don't take in any considerations of others. You are only concerned about yourself.
Here's some friendly advice for you, you need to quit while your way behind. You already shown yourself to me and many collectors about your self-centered attitude.
Billy G. Crawford >>
Dang! Did I get James Wiles label on the 9 1/2 x 12 1/2 mailer instead of John Wexlers as thats the only way it could have been the wrong size. If I recall correctly, I put John Wexler's label on the 9 1/2 x 12 1/2 and James Wiles label on the smaller 6 x 10 mailer but I can also see that the John Wexler label was never processed.
Tell me, why didn't you cut it off and use it since it was, after all, a Priority Mail Flat Rate Label anyway?
Hmmm. Self Centered because I asked "whatever happened to too minor to list"?
Unless you can respond to my inquiry on a professional level without slandering me or attacking me then you should really stop with your "advice" and start acting like the "professional" you claim to be.
The name is LEE!
Again, I'm not getting into any debate here or picking sides, but think we should TRY to keep this thread going and not get off track too far to the point it might go poof.
You're both still OK in my book
I have not looked at any bankrolls and do not plan to.
<< <i>I have not looked at any bankrolls and do not plan to. >>
And the reason?
They just don't interest me. I have more interest right now in picking up good date box sets to go along with all my other error coins. I know interest has come down on these errors at this point but I feel there is going to be a lot of activity on these sets now that the mint has sold out. I doubt that there is going to be errors found in the 3rd coin in the series.
<< <i>They just don't interest me. I have more interest right now in picking up good date box sets to go along with all my other error coins. I know interest has come down on these errors at this point but I feel there is going to be a lot of activity on these sets now that the mint has sold out. I doubt that there is going to be errors found in the 3rd coin in the series. >>
I have not seen any indicators on the Proofs which I have examined but that doesn't mean the business strikes will be error free.
I expect that most of the FY DDR's were due to the "hurry up schedule" on producing all those die's but I still do not understand why Denver was Error Free.
The Log Cabin coins had some DDR's the FY had a bunch of DDR's and I expect that the Professional Life coins will have some DDR's as well.
Its just a question of how dramatic they might be.
The name is LEE!
<< <i>Has anyone, other than me, found DDRs in bank rolls? >>
I have and have done pretty well buying roll from different states. I have been finding error's from WDDR 40-65
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We could have the only proof errors (in low quantity I might add) available in this series. These are bound to increase in value .
<< <i>We could have the only proof errors (in low quantity I might add) available in this series. These are bound to increase in value . >>
Oh? How long do we have to live to see that?
We will see.
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<< <i>We could have the only proof errors (in low quantity I might add) available in this series. These are bound to increase in value . >>
Oh? How long do we have to live to see that? >>
Any that have sold for more than $52.95 have already shown an increase in value and the last time I checked, the minimum sales were a lot more than $52.95 while some were considerable more than $52.95.
Of course, all this goes to really show is that rarity is only a small part of the value for anything. You have to have at least two folks that really want it.
Oh wait, am I being pompous?
The name is LEE!
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<< <i>We could have the only proof errors (in low quantity I might add) available in this series. These are bound to increase in value . >>
Oh? How long do we have to live to see that? >>
Any that have sold for more than $52.95 have already shown an increase in value and the last time I checked, the minimum sales were a lot more than $52.95 while some were considerable more than $52.95.
Of course, all this goes to really show is that rarity is only a small part of the value for anything. You have to have at least two folks that really want it.
Oh wait, am I being pompous? >>
The proof ddr's will never reach their potential if PCGS fails to recognize it. I don't think it excites many people anyway being you basically need a scope to see it.....I'm just sayin
<< <i>The proof ddr's will never reach their potential if PCGS fails to recognize it. I don't think it excites many people anyway being you basically need a scope to see it.....I'm just sayin
You don't need a scope to see the proof DDRs, a loupe yes, no scope
I don't see any problem in seeing it.
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<< <i>The proof ddr's will never reach their potential if PCGS fails to recognize it. I don't think it excites many people anyway being you basically need a scope to see it.....I'm just sayin
You don't need a scope to see the proof DDRs, a loupe yes, no scope >>
Man, I would need a scope to see all the stupid VAM' s out there listed by PCGS. When I say stupid it is really meant to say the many different Varieties that are recognized.
I was a Monkey
<< <i>The proof ddr's will never reach their potential if PCGS fails to recognize it. I don't think it excites many people anyway being you basically need a scope to see it.....I'm just sayin
Scopes definitely make a difference but are totally optional with these two.
As for PCGS, they didn't attribute the 1972 Type 2 IKE until around 1999 so I wouldn't put too much stock in your statement.
ANY collectible coin, is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it and there are many more factors involved than just PCGS or even the Redbook when determining a coins potential.
The name is LEE!
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great find. I have had a lot of those.
I Found WDDR-063 in bank rolls.
Anyone else; bank roll reports?
<< <i>Discovered some DDR-032 in bank rolls. Still looking for 43 and 51. >>
Those would be great finds indeed.
Let's see.....I've found WDDR-010, 040, 063, 066, 067 and 071
box yesterday in an Ebay auction for $5.51 ($10 total with priority shipping) There were ten bidders!!!! I think people have moved on if
that auction is any indication. See you all on the other side (Lp3 side that is!) Let the errors be few in variety and rare in quantity!
The Beatles
Looks like it.
thought I got lucky to catch this craze from the beginning and hopefully reap the rewards. Live and learn.
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<< <i>Discovered some DDR-032 in bank rolls. Still looking for 43 and 51. >>
Those would be great finds indeed.
Let's see.....I've found WDDR-010, 040, 063, 066, 067 and 071 >>
I've found WDDR-052/WDDR-004 WDDR-026, WDDR-059, WDDR-039, WDDR-063, WDDR-037 A and B Die Crack, WDDR-038 all in bank boxes.
Has any one found the WDDR-006 B with die crack reverse?
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(totals of each error by Wexler numbers) I haven't sent in any for grading since the market has been weak thus far. I thought it might be
interesting to see how many of each errors others have found, graded or not, now that we are later in the game.... I will start:
ERROR TOTAL
wddr-001 12
wddr-002 31
wddr-003 8
wddr-004 36
wddr-005 124
wddr-006 21
wddr-007 0 (only ddr I will list if zero found)
wddr-008 77
wddr-010 8
wddr-013 13b rev 8
wddr-020 22
wddr-023 1
catfish obverse 65 (each of these has a "bookmark" and small ("cud"?) between the book and leg on the reverse...not listed?)
log die crack 16
boot die crack 21 (small die cracks around the boots extending down to rim...not the massive boot die crack)
extra blade of grass reverse (die clash?) by left boot facing (my discovery still not listed) 31
large die crack from top rim through Lincoln's head down to jaw "crackhead Lincoln" 3
small die crack from top rim through the "S" to top of Lincoln's head 3
Of course, there were many varieties found that I have not yet attributed due to time constraints (I'm sure I have some of the later ddr's)
Just thought we might do a tally and see how many of each are actually out there. Some obviously will be more rare than others. This way
we might be able to determine which ones will become the "holy grail"
edited note : I have searched 36 mint sealed boxes only, no bank wrapped rolls.
Thanks in advance for playing along!
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<< <i> slow day at the office .... is this thread dead?
SHHHH! I'm in a library.
We are all watching it !
<< <i>Things going badly on Ebay.....sales have come waaaay down. I saw a 4/23 box go for about $22 (they were at about $65) I bought a 4/24 box yesterday in an Ebay auction for $5.51 ($10 total with priority shipping) There were ten bidders!!!! I think people have moved on if that auction is any indication. See you all on the other side (Lp3 side that is!) Let the errors be few in variety and rare in quantity! >>
So what's up with this basic double thumb going for $10 last I looked????????
Double Thumb