2009 lincoln ddr thread for "BOX DATES AND NUMBER FOUND"

Swampboy · August 1, 2009 3:44PM

Forum member JimDepot kindly sent me this cracked lincoln.
He mentioned it came from one of his 4/14 through 4/17 boxes.
I'll bet it was 4/16 box.

Thanks Jim.

luckyman · August 1, 2009 5:02PM

Just finished with a 4/29 box....eight wddr-005's....and then I discovered something interesting that I had never seen posted here or on

Wexler's site. I call it the "extra blade of grass" error. Kind of has the "extra leaf" shape from the Wisconsin quarters. It is located

between the hammer and the left boot. It looks like a long blade of grass protruding from the side of the boot in a north-westerly direction

outward toward the hammer. At first I dismissed it when I saw it as just a longish cud, but then I found a second one with exactly the

same location and shape, then a third, and so on until I had found thirteen total that have exactly the same location and pattern. I know

you all want pics, but again my photo equipment is inadequate to take the necessary closeups.

Guys....just opened another box of 4/29 and found eleven more of these "extra blade of grass" errors...

Has anyone else found these? If so...could you please take a closeup picture and post it here? I will be sending one or two to Wexler for

attribution but want to share the find with you asap and my scanner just doesn't do it....

So far I've only found them in the 4/29 boxes, but haven't searched every date. Take a another look if you have a "searched" roll that you

weren't looking for anything other than fingers and thumbs before...

JimDepot · August 1, 2009 7:06PM

<< Forum member JimDepot kindly sent me this cracked lincoln.
He mentioned it came from one of his 4/14 through 4/17 boxes.
I'll bet it was 4/16 box.

Thanks Jim.

>>

Hey Gil,

Glad to do it.

Also,

"2009 1c FY WDDR-013

Description: A partial extra finger can be seen just above the normal index finger at the knuckle.

Die Markers: Obverse Stage A - A die scratch runs from the upper left W of WE to the rim. A die crack runs SW to NE through the hair on the upper back of the head while another runs south to north projecting into the field SW of the W in WE. A die crack runs NW from the eyebrow into the forehead. Obverse Stage B - Same as Stage A. Reverse Stage A - A small die gouge can be found below and between the T and E of UNITED. A small die chip can be found on the upper left E of ONE. A light die crack runs down the vertical bar of the E in STATES. Die cracks run down the lower part of both boots and across the head of the mallet. Reverse Stage B - A massive die crack runs south from the rim down the E of STATES and ends to the left of Lincoln’s nose."

Die crack and a DDR.

boucharda · August 1, 2009 10:07PM

<< The eBay ID is familiar If you see any misreps or errors/problems in the listing, feel free to criticize. I think I left the LQQK's out. Joe >>

Good luck.....We somehow have to get a market established for these (outside of this forum)

I just think that no one is searching Ebay for them

Edited to add:

I am trying to brainstorm (in my case more of a light breeze than an actual "storm") why these DDR's are not getting the recognition and price rise they deserve.
..... They are a popular collectible series (Lincoln Cent)
..... some errors are dramatic (001,002,006,007,013b, maybe 003 all w's and the PF's and some of the higher numbers).

Maybe because there are a total of 58 attributed so far! It seems that every piece of dust on the die becomes another "error". Way too much dilution and confusion for the coin collecting public to digest.

While there is a dramatic difference between a 048 and a 050...... being that far along the food chain decreases the impact of that 050. ....(oh, and some of my 001's have now morphed into 050's)

How many out there are searching Ebay for that elusive 048???? Ummmmmmm ZERO!

Yup, you can publish an article in a national newspaper but what are you going to say. "Dramatic Lincoln Cent Errors Found!!! (umm..well LOTS of different errors and some are almost invisible but some are really cool... honest!) "Be the First on Your Block to Own a WDDR_026!!! (comes with an electron microscope for family viewing)"

Ideas??? Or will this just fade away

HIGHLOWLEAVES · August 1, 2009 11:41PM

boucharda..... I have invested time and money to secure a few examples of various FY Lincoln DDR's and DDO's as I assume that you and several other coin collectors have done. I too would like to see a stable and healthy market for these new error cents. That said, who said that these modern day coins are destined to have a place in Numismatic History ? I lived th. the WI Extra Leaf debacale, the Speared Bison Nickel craze, never got too excited about the MN trees, never fell for the Godless Washigton $, and have sold 90% of my 2008/07 ASE. How many Modern Mint errors/varieties can even Ebay stand ? I am convinced that none except maybe the extra leafs will stand the test of time. I wouldn't even take that bet at the monment. Ebay is a recent invention in the current coin maket and it is truly a quick hype and dump strategy. As long as the 2009 FY errors are readily found and now that there are almost 60 different ones, only a well financed promoter will make them a some what lasting numismatic item. The promoter will wait until he can buy the coins for two cents each and then offer them in our wonderful coin magazines. All of these modern day error "rarities" are standing on thin ice IMHO. Unless you can pony up and start using your hard earned $$ to buy them and make a nationwide promotion, then be very cautious. The WI quarter has been a very sobering experience for me !! Enjoy collecting coins.

TwoSides2aCoin · August 1, 2009 11:52PM

"Icicle Specimen"

I smashed my ring finger on my right hand yesterday. This photo reminded me that I should have iced it.

touche · August 2, 2009 12:34AM

I purchased two on ebay, because of the dialogue on this thread. One because the attributor sold it. The other was the skeleton finger, because it was the only interesting one to me. The other 4,167 hold absolutely zero interest for me, and I wouldn't pay a buck for any of those.

Papi · August 2, 2009 12:52AM

<< Just finished with a 4/29 box.... I call it the "extra blade of grass" error. Kind of has the "extra leaf" shape from the Wisconsin quarters. It is located

between the hammer and the left boot. It looks like a long blade of grass protruding from the side of the boot in a north-westerly direction

outward toward the hammer. >>

What's the time and inspector number?

Papi · August 2, 2009 1:06AM

<< The WI quarter has been a very sobering experience for me !! Enjoy collecting coins. >>

How so?

luckyman · August 2, 2009 1:48AM

Both boxes I've opened were 4/29 batch #9774 time 08:57....let me know if you find any Papi....

HIGHLOWLEAVES · August 2, 2009 1:57AM

Papi....... The WI extra leaf quarters were a sobering experience for me..... the excercise began with discovering some examples at face value in the San Antonio - Austin, Tx area in early 2005. That was fun !! I sold only a very few believing that these coins are rare and are instant heirlooms; values should remain high or go up in later years. Then Ebay bidders, groupees, staged bidders drove the high graded examples to ridiculous levels. One, NGC MS 68 High sold for over $10,000 on Ebay. NGC trio sets graded MS 67 frequently sold for $4,000 - $6,000. Talk about Hyper-Hype !!! When Ebay prices started going down, it was every person for themselves and they were rushing to cash out !! IMHO 90+ % of the Ebay movers are now gone to other schemes. Bless their hearts !! I did purchase some WI quarters on Ebay , etc. before they were heated up on Ebay. My resolve is to simply wait for the price declines over the last few years to bottom out and real collectors acquire a set for their quarter or error/variety set. The sobering fact is, unless you were lucky enough to find some at face value or buy some very early on from the reputable Tucson dealers, your current holdings are valued at a low, low level. Try selling them to a dealer right now. Be sure to have a reserve price if you sell on Ebay. The final sobering experience for me will be to live long enough to witness if these coins will survive the test of time !! I am so glad that I was not an accumulator of Speared Bison nickels, MN quarters, 2008/07 ASE, Godless $$, etc. Have a great day !!

Papi · August 2, 2009 2:18AM

<< Both boxes I've opened were 4/29 batch #9774 time 08:57....let me know if you find any Papi.... >>

Yes, I see what you're talking about.. A die scratch?

luckyman · August 2, 2009 3:09AM

....looks raised to my eye....like the "catfish beard" on the obverse of some of these.....die clash....maybe...but very interesting...Papi, do

you have the photographic equipment to post a pic on this thread? I still don't understand the difference between a die clash, like the

"catfish beard" attribution on the obverse, where the rest of these abnormalities on the reverses are called "errors".....????

boucharda · August 2, 2009 3:09AM

<< I am so glad that I was not an accumulator of Speared Bison nickels, MN quarters, 2008/07 ASE, Godless $$, etc. Have a great day !! >>

I did quite well with the 08/07 ASE's buying 5 boxes of 10 (2 from the Mint at $1000/10 sets) for under $2000 a box of 10. I had them graded and got 17 full 70 sets from NGC and 5 more MS and RP 70's.

I have been selling the 69's for just under $300 a set and the 70's run anywhere from $750- 900 a set. I usually have a set for sale every auction I have with 69's today and 70's next Sunday.

No 2nd thoughts there and wish these Lincoln's would do half as well

boucharda · August 2, 2009 3:12AM

<< I still don't understand the difference between a die clash, like the "catfish beard" attribution on the obverse, where the rest of these abnormalities on the reverses are called "errors".....??? >>

There was an article somewhere, maybe Coin World, about the "Catfish" Lincoln and had pics of the reverse clashing with the obverse. I'll try to find it later.

Papi · August 2, 2009 3:13AM

<< ....looks raised to my eye....like the "catfish beard" on the obverse of some of these.....die clash....maybe...but very interesting...Papi, do

you have the photographic equipment to post a pic on this thread? I still don't understand the difference between a die clash, like the

"catfish beard" attribution on the obverse, where the rest of these abnormalities on the reverses are called "errors".....????

>>

Sorry, my camera can not get this clearly either

boucharda · August 2, 2009 3:27AM

<< Sorry, my camera can not get this clearly either >>

I tried getting a pic with my set up for Morgans/ASE's and got nothing usable. I did MUCH better with my little Canon Powershot HAND HELD outside in open shade. I then just cropped the pic to show what I want and voila!

This is what happens when you play with firecrackers!

boucharda · August 2, 2009 4:41AM

Auction completed. (not mine)...MS 67 CDDR-001 was sold for $46

MS 67

CoinCrazyPA · August 2, 2009 5:20AM

Is greysheet even pricing these. I don't have one anyone else.

YOU ARE BUYING and/or BIDDING ON:

I WILL START THE BIDDING AT GRAYSHHET BID

ANACS # 4416956, MS67RED ERROR DD REV. CONECA DDR-001

boucharda · August 2, 2009 6:19AM

Is greysheet even pricing these.
I don't have one anyone else.
YOU ARE BUYING and/or BIDDING ON:
I WILL START THE BIDDING AT GRAYSHHET BID
ANACS # 4416956, MS67RED ERROR DD REV. CONECA DDR-001

WTF????

CoinCrazyPA · August 2, 2009 6:24AM

I was referring to your auction link you posted, the sellers description had the greysheet listed as pricing them, the error.

Auction completed. (not mine)...MS 67 CDDR-001 was sold for $46

MS 67

pitboss · August 2, 2009 6:33AM

I won't sell any of my 67's at that price. If everyone just hols firm the price is going to start climbing.

boucharda · August 2, 2009 7:04AM

<< I was referring to your auction link you posted, >>

Gotcha...

luckyman · August 2, 2009 9:15AM

How come the guy who started this thread never adds to the discussion lately? Seems odd to me.....gets everyone jazzed about the

"errors" and the collecting potential they have...then...nothing... should've guessed that it was a gamble to get started on buying these

boxes and searching into the night to find my retirement fund, after all his name is LasVegasTeddy....now look at what we have, over

fifty recorded varieties, with who knows how many more to come, and stagnant sales on the bay. Is he in hiding????

note to LasVegasTeddy...this is written tongue in cheek....don't take offense! Ok....off to search another box....

pitboss · August 2, 2009 9:21AM

What ya looking for today luckyman?

CoinCrazyPA · August 2, 2009 9:27AM

<< How come the guy who started this thread never adds to the discussion lately? Seems odd to me.....gets everyone jazzed about the

"errors" and the collecting potential they have...then...nothing... should've guessed that it was a gamble to get started on buying these

boxes and searching into the night to find my retirement fund, after all his name is LasVegasTeddy....now look at what we have, over

fifty recorded varieties, with who knows how many more to come, and stagnant sales on the bay. Is he in hiding????

note to LasVegasTeddy...this is written tongue in cheek....don't take offense! Ok....off to search another box....

>>

Maybe he did a pump and dump, not to say he is hiding. He may have bought up the key dates and has been selling to us at outrageous profits?

luckyman · August 2, 2009 9:41AM

I'm hoping to find some more "crackhead" lincolns (you know, the die crack on the reverse from the rim through his head) The boxes I

have left will probably only yield more of what I have plenty of already....but....who knows what amazing new finds await to be discovered!

I'll let you know. The "crackheads" (raw) look like they are selling in the $20 range on the bay....one of the few that have any impetus,

the others being the wddr-006/cddr-009, and a couple of the higher numbered errors (forget the numbers but they are double thumb,

extra finger combos that are pretty cool looking) ... the earlier ddr's seem to be pretty flat right now...probably because there's a glut of

them on the bay and people react naturally to supply and demand....

CoinCrazyPA · August 2, 2009 10:54AM

I hope once the glut is gone they will go back up, but I am worried about LP 3 taking the spot light though. Any thought's on LP 3 having any errors?

CoinCrazyPA · August 2, 2009 10:56AM

<< I'm hoping to find some more "crackhead" lincolns (you know, the die crack on the reverse from the rim through his head) The boxes I

have left will probably only yield more of what I have plenty of already....but....who knows what amazing new finds await to be discovered!

I'll let you know. The "crackheads" (raw) look like they are selling in the $20 range on the bay....one of the few that have any impetus,

the others being the wddr-006/cddr-009, and a couple of the higher numbered errors (forget the numbers but they are double thumb,

extra finger combos that are pretty cool looking) ... the earlier ddr's seem to be pretty flat right now...probably because there's a glut of

them on the bay and people react naturally to supply and demand.... >>

By crack heads are you talking about 13 B? or the one that goes through at 12:30?

luckyman · August 2, 2009 11:04AM

the one's that go through the "o" in "of" through the top of his head to his jaw....I guess 12:30....these haven't been assigned a number

yet???? Just the original 13b? These are, in my mind, more interesting...certainly more dramatic than the 13b....

CoinCrazyPA · August 2, 2009 11:34AM

<< the one's that go through the "o" in "of" through the top of his head to his jaw....I guess 12:30....these haven't been assigned a number

yet???? Just the original 13b? These are, in my mind, more interesting...certainly more dramatic than the 13b....

>>

Are these bringing any money? I found the die crack that go to from the log at 3:00 they loupe up first. I have seen two different 3:00 ones.

Papi · August 3, 2009 1:11AM

Anyone know what box dates the Combo WDDR-007/WDDO-002 come from. This was an early discovery.

CoinCrazyPA · August 3, 2009 3:31AM

<< Anyone know what box dates the Combo WDDR-007/WDDO-002 come from. This was an early discovery. >>

Found mine in 4/23 box, just one box don't remember the time. I did not write the times on my early finds just the box number, wish I had I bought 4/23 with blanks like you mentioned earlier in the thread. I also read somewhere I think in this thread they were also in early May boxes, double check that one.

sanitarium1inmate · August 3, 2009 5:13AM

Just found this die crack in a bank roll in shrink wrapper. And ,YES I did find some DDR's on the end of rolls also.

Anyone see these yet?

AskRaq · August 3, 2009 5:25AM

<< Anyone know what box dates the Combo WDDR-007/WDDO-002 come from. This was an early discovery. >>

Yeah, I sent in the discovery piece to Billy Crawford, it looks like a "bent book spine" on the DDR.

I got 5 boxes 5/4 and only found a total of six.... (another forum member found quite a few of them in 5/5) so I bought another five boxes each of 5/4 & 5/5.... only found four more in 10 rolls - pretty elusive - I even tried some 5/1 & 5/6(?) boxes - nada.

But considering the WDDR-007 (bent spine) & WDDR-006 (skeleton finger) both share the same obverse (WDDO-002) it's not too surprising that there would be less of each than the other DRR's.

luckyman · August 3, 2009 8:52AM

No more "crackhead" Lincolns found in my latest search.....oh well.........

cheers!

CoinCrazyPA · August 3, 2009 11:03AM

<< Just found this die crack in a bank roll in shrink wrapper. And ,YES I did find some DDR's on the end of rolls also.

Anyone see these yet? >>

Pictures please of the DDR in bank rolls. Also which ones did you find? Thanks

sanitarium1inmate · August 3, 2009 11:07AM

The DDR looks like the CDDR-013 with just the tip of a finger showing between the thumb and index finger. I'll try to get a pic up tomorrow when I get back from the bank again. Only one roll had the DDR and only one roll had the crack showing. The cracked one kinda looks like Alfalfa.

YaHa · August 3, 2009 12:51PM

Opened 3 more Philly rolls tonight and found 23 more Wexlerdd2/crawford/dd1.. What have these been selling for.

Also found 11 more die cracks from 3pm from edge to log.. Found 3 more obverse multi bubbled on entire left side..

Boxes dated 4/17..

CoinCrazyPA · August 3, 2009 1:08PM

<< Opened 3 more Philly rolls tonight and found 23 more Wexlerdd2/crawford/dd1.. What have these been selling for.

Also found 11 more die cracks from 3pm from edge to log.. Found 3 more obverse multi bubbled on entire left side..

Boxes dated 4/17.. >>

I've seen them on Ebay going for around $3-$5

luckyman · August 3, 2009 3:29PM

anyone know what dates, times, batch numbers that the wddr-043's are being found? I've found my elusive wddr-006/cddr-009/ddo-002's,

now I've decided this is my new quarry....thanks for your help in getting me to the happy hunting grounds in advance!

YaHa · August 3, 2009 9:25PM

<< 

<< Opened 3 more Philly rolls tonight and found 23 more Wexlerdd2/crawford/dd1.. What have these been selling for.

Also found 11 more die cracks from 3pm from edge to log.. Found 3 more obverse multi bubbled on entire left side..

Boxes dated 4/17.. >>

I've seen them on Ebay going for around $3-$5 >>

That sucks, now I have 57 Crawford DD-1's.. I have 23 Crawford DD-2's.. I have 38 Die cracks from 3pm towards log.. I have 104 Letter "C" Die chips and Log Die Chips.. So basically I have a bunch of F-ed up Pennies..

Oh yes, still have 22 rolls from first day trade from Union Station and 7 unopened boxes of Lp2 4/17 Mint rolls..

I guess if it wasn't for Yaha's discovery back in April when these were first released with the first noticeable die issues we wouldn't had so much fun looking for new errors..

P.S. I would like to thank Mr. Potter for putting my name in the Nusimatic News for the initial discovery of Die problems on this Formative rail splitter coin.. I'm appeased of the wonderful explanation on how Mr. Potter presented the artical on die failures in this instance.

luckyman · August 4, 2009 8:17AM

Just went through five previously searched "p" rolls. Found one wddr-005, four or five die cracks on the reverse from the top rim, through

the "s", to the top of Lincoln's head (very thin die cracks, not the more popular "chasms"). Also put a few away for further examination

that have a small bump in between the thumb and the book's spine coupled with, what I'll call, "blurring or elongation around the boots

and surrounding grass" in a horizontal direction. Seems like every coin (approx 6-8 found thus far) that exhibits the blurring has the

round bump as described above also. If this has been attributed already, let me know...I have a package of a few unknown ddr's that

I'm sending out to John Wexler in the morning for examination and possible attribution. Going through these rolls a second time has been

fun. a couple of surprises makes it all worth the effort.....

pitboss · August 4, 2009 8:23AM

We don't need any more varieties at this point as they will just continue to drag the prices down.

luckyman · August 4, 2009 8:34AM

I think the number of varieties has already surpassed any concern you might have as to value....what's a few more???

Papi · August 4, 2009 8:58AM

<< We don't need any more varieties at this point as they will just continue to drag the prices down. >>

I don't think the number of varieties is dragging down prices. It's the flood of sellers trying to make a quick buck.

I have to laugh when a seller lists one of these as being RARE, and has 20-30 listings of the same item.

The significant DDRs will establish their place/price and the rest will fade.

CoinCrazyPA · August 4, 2009 9:06AM

<< 

<< We don't need any more varieties at this point as they will just continue to drag the prices down. >>

I don't think the number of varieties is dragging down prices. It's the flood of sellers trying to make a quick buck.

I have to laugh when a seller lists one of these as being RARE, and has 20-30 listings of the same item.

The significant DDRs will establish their place/price and the rest will fade.[/q

which ones? WDDR 006 and?

pitboss · August 4, 2009 9:10AM

Anything in MS67 or better is good. WDDR 001 is a good candidate for a good coin.

JungleFever · August 4, 2009 12:52PM

I still have 48 unopened boxes from April 15 through the 30th. I brought a box to work today to let an employee try her hand at searching a roll: voila......9 skeletons.

The box was dated 4/23 which is where I've found skeletons in every box, so this didn't come as a surprise to me at all. Getting close to having a full roll of them.

Would you believe I've not found the original extra finger! But for $12.50 I got an MS66 NGC version and that's all I want, just one. I'm only keeping the skeletons , massive die cracks, and if I find any extra fingers, those as well. I have a couple thousand quick searched that I may go through again if I ever get r-e-a-l bored.

Best......

Papi · August 4, 2009 1:10PM

<< I still have 48 unopened boxes from April 15 through the 30th. I brought a box to work today to let an employee try her hand at searching a roll: voila......9 skeletons.

The box was dated 4/23 Getting close to having a full roll of them.

Would you believe I've not found the original extra finger! >>

Yes, I can believe it. I've only found one myself. But I really haven't searched many boxes, only about 10. I've lost count of my unopened boxes.

Found my skeletons early.

We know there are DDRs in the bank rolls, and some special wrapped rolls. But there must be DDRs coming from Mint sets dated after 5/6.

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