<< <i>I predict there will be total ~1500 MS70FS's....anyone else care to chime in??? >>
I think it will be easily over 2000 ... the pop report usually is a week behind with their figures and the Mint did an excellent quality control job with this coin.
"Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
Maybe I'm a bit confused but since the coin is being struck on a thicker planchet of gold than ever before, and the tonnage of pressure greater than ever before, and the gold as soft and pure as ever before, why wouldn't the strike be sharper than ever. I don't see how you can say PCGS has gotten easier on handing out 70s when there doesn't seem to be anything out there to truly compare it with.
<< <i>Why are you guys taking these beautiful pieces out of their mint holders to have them put in TPG slabs?
Really...why? >>
JRocco, An excellent question. Much of this coin's appeal is in the packaging. >>
Exactly >>
But more to the point of your question; they are entombed in these holders as a way of creating additional "value." The idea is, "not only do I have a UHR, but I have a special UHR, the cream of the crop UHR. Not only do I think it's perfect, but other respectable professionals validate my point of view." This way of thinking is obviously paying off for many sellers. Despite the financial advantage of the TPG grade, it was originally intended to be a complete package; coin, capsule and beautiful box. I like it that way.
Everything you said makes perfect sense and I agree.
I just find it funny when so many here....and even some that run to break these pieces out of their cases to put in plastic....ooohhh and aaahhhh when someone shows a nice old SCD in its original case. Or a mint set still in its original display. I can site example of this after example of this, but I won't.
JRocco, I agree with your point of view. I actually sent my UHR in for grading, though. I probably would not have sent it wasn't FS eligible, but it was. My logic was that I can always crack it out (as I have with many coins), but I can't always send it in for a FS grade. I can understand if an FS grade doesn't appeal to you - I never have, and never intend to, spend more on a coin simply because it is FS or a 70. I will however accept it if it lands in my lap as this one did.
<< <i>Everything you said makes perfect sense and I agree.
I just find it funny when so many here....and even some that run to break these pieces out of their cases to put in plastic....ooohhh and aaahhhh when someone shows a nice old SCD in its original case. Or a mint set still in its original display. I can site example of this after example of this, but I won't. >>
I know what you mean. But the UHR encapsulation crowd justifies this by saying to themselves, "I or you can always crack it out of its slab and place it back into the capsule." This way of thinking can be a real buzz kill. Just enjoy this beautiful coin with an understanding of its historical significance, and that it very closely resembles the original pattern. Bragging about the "MS70 perfection" is completely missing the point. After all, we are not talking about a full head and shield 18/17-S overdate Standing Liberty Quarter that by some miracle, was kept in a high state of preservation! Unless the world has turned upside down, The "grade" of this UHR coin will hold less weight as time goes on.
Birthrate, I just read your reply after I posted mine above. Just so you know, my "cracking out of the TPG holder" comment was not aimed at you, but rather, was a general observation about the pleasure of owning this coin in its original packaging.
<< <i>Everything you said makes perfect sense and I agree.
I just find it funny when so many here....and even some that run to break these pieces out of their cases to put in plastic....ooohhh and aaahhhh when someone shows a nice old SCD in its original case. Or a mint set still in its original display. I can site example of this after example of this, but I won't. >>
I know what you mean. But the UHR encapsulation crowd justifies this by saying to themselves, "I or you can always crack it out of its slab and place it back into the capsule." This way of thinking can be a real buzz kill. Just enjoy this beautiful coin with an understanding of its historical significance, and that it very closely resembles the original pattern. Bragging about the "MS70 perfection" is completely missing the point. After all, we are not talking about a full head and shield 18/17-S overdate Standing Liberty Quarter that by some miracle, was kept in a high state of preservation! Unless the world has turned upside down, The "grade" of this UHR coin will hold less weight as time goes on. >>
Fair enough. I respect what you're saying completely. Let me put it this way: if I offered you a FS MS70 UHR along with all OGP or a non graded UHR in it's OGP, both at exactly the same price (let's say original offering price + $90), which one would you purchase?
<< <i>Birthrate, I just read your reply after I posted mine above. Just so you know, my "cracking out of the TPG holder" comment was not aimed at you, but rather, was a general observation about the pleasure of owning this coin in its original packaging. >>
Cool. I posted the above reply before reading that as well. Friendly exchange is all.
<< <i>Everything you said makes perfect sense and I agree.
I just find it funny when so many here....and even some that run to break these pieces out of their cases to put in plastic....ooohhh and aaahhhh when someone shows a nice old SCD in its original case. Or a mint set still in its original display. I can site example of this after example of this, but I won't. >>
I know what you mean. But the UHR encapsulation crowd justifies this by saying to themselves, "I or you can always crack it out of its slab and place it back into the capsule." This way of thinking can be a real buzz kill. Just enjoy this beautiful coin with an understanding of its historical significance, and that it very closely resembles the original pattern. Bragging about the "MS70 perfection" is completely missing the point. After all, we are not talking about a full head and shield 18/17-S overdate Standing Liberty Quarter that by some miracle, was kept in a high state of preservation! Unless the world has turned upside down, The "grade" of this UHR coin will hold less weight as time goes on. >>
Fair enough. I respect what you're saying completely. Let me put it this way: if I offered you a FS MS70 UHR along with all OGP or a non graded UHR in it's OGP, both at exactly the same price (let's say original offering price + $90), which one would you purchase? >>
Good question. I would definitely take the graded MS70, but mainly because you're giving me such a great deal! Now if you were selling the TPG MS70 for $500 more than the current mint price, I would just buy it from the mint.
<< <i>Everything you said makes perfect sense and I agree.
I just find it funny when so many here....and even some that run to break these pieces out of their cases to put in plastic....ooohhh and aaahhhh when someone shows a nice old SCD in its original case. Or a mint set still in its original display. I can site example of this after example of this, but I won't. >>
I know what you mean. But the UHR encapsulation crowd justifies this by saying to themselves, "I or you can always crack it out of its slab and place it back into the capsule." This way of thinking can be a real buzz kill. Just enjoy this beautiful coin with an understanding of its historical significance, and that it very closely resembles the original pattern. Bragging about the "MS70 perfection" is completely missing the point. After all, we are not talking about a full head and shield 18/17-S overdate Standing Liberty Quarter that by some miracle, was kept in a high state of preservation! Unless the world has turned upside down, The "grade" of this UHR coin will hold less weight as time goes on. >>
Fair enough. I respect what you're saying completely. Let me put it this way: if I offered you a FS MS70 UHR along with all OGP or a non graded UHR in it's OGP, both at exactly the same price (let's say original offering price + $90), which one would you purchase? >>
Good question. I would definitely take the graded MS70, but mainly because you're giving me such a great deal! Now if you were selling the TPG MS70 for $500 more than the current mint price, I would just buy it from the mint. >>
No problem Goldbully...I usually post on the goldismoney.info forums and there is a dedicated thread on reports. We also have another forum member who sends in the NGC report so it is interesting to see both. Here is the NGC report for those interested
Okay PCGS has graded UHR to date: MS70 total = 2374 and NGC has graded UHR to date: MS70 total = 1245
I live in Germany and when I accessed the report it was around 1 PM local time but the time was around 4 AM Pacific Time (which is where PCGS is located). I guess the reason for the report before you is because I am awake when everyone is sleeping. I can also post the reports if for some reason you cant make it. Plus Ill be able to post them "fresh off the press"
<< <i>I like your help...much appreciated....interesting seeing the NGC pops...Thanks.
Check out the HSN, they are selling the ANACS SP70 UHR's for $2999.99.
They claim they've sold 230 of their 298 ANACS coins.
How did they get so many coins???? [/L] >>
Wondercoin, MCM and other aggregators. People sold theirs for $50 over issue, they then get resold. >>
I can't understand why someone would buy at HSN when they could take the same money, buy 2 sets from the mint (using a family member), have a few bucks left over (more than enough to cover TPG costs) and have good odds (better than fifty percent) that one or both would grade 70 (if FS was not a consideration).
Comments
<< <i>
<< <i>As of March 22, 2009..........
~68% are MS70!!! >>
The Non First Strikes will start pouring in next week and beyond!!!
I predict there will be total ~1500 MS70FS's....anyone else care to chime in??? >>
Sure hope I'm TWO of them!!!!
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<< <i>I predict there will be total ~1500 MS70FS's....anyone else care to chime in??? >>
I think it will be easily over 2000 ... the pop report usually is a week behind with their figures and the Mint did an excellent quality control job with this coin.
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>As of March 22, 2009..........
~68% are MS70!!! >>
The Non First Strikes will start pouring in next week and beyond!!!
I predict there will be total ~1500 MS70FS's....anyone else care to chime in??? >>
Sure hope I'm TWO of them!!!! >>
But only 37.5% of the non First Strike UHRs are MS70!!!!
Very perceptive!!!!
have them put in TPG slabs?
Really...why?
<< <i>Why are you guys taking these beautiful pieces out of their mint holders to
have them put in TPG slabs?
Really...why? >>
JRocco,
An excellent question. Much of this coin's appeal is in the packaging.
<< <i>
<< <i>Why are you guys taking these beautiful pieces out of their mint holders to
have them put in TPG slabs?
Really...why? >>
JRocco,
An excellent question. Much of this coin's appeal is in the packaging. >>
Exactly
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>Why are you guys taking these beautiful pieces out of their mint holders to
have them put in TPG slabs?
Really...why? >>
JRocco,
An excellent question. Much of this coin's appeal is in the packaging. >>
Exactly >>
But more to the point of your question;
they are entombed in these holders as a way of creating additional "value." The idea is, "not only do I have a UHR, but I have a special UHR, the cream of the crop UHR. Not only do I think it's perfect, but other respectable professionals validate my point of view." This way of thinking is obviously paying off for many sellers.
Despite the financial advantage of the TPG grade, it was originally intended to be a complete package; coin, capsule and beautiful box. I like it that way.
I just find it funny when so many here....and even some that run to break these pieces out of
their cases to put in plastic....ooohhh and aaahhhh when someone shows a nice old SCD in its original case. Or a
mint set still in its original display.
I can site example of this after example of this, but I won't.
<< <i>Everything you said makes perfect sense and I agree.
I just find it funny when so many here....and even some that run to break these pieces out of
their cases to put in plastic....ooohhh and aaahhhh when someone shows a nice old SCD in its original case. Or a
mint set still in its original display.
I can site example of this after example of this, but I won't. >>
I know what you mean.
But the UHR encapsulation crowd justifies this by saying to themselves, "I or you can always crack it out of its slab and place it back into the capsule." This way of thinking can be a real buzz kill. Just enjoy this beautiful coin with an understanding of its historical significance, and that it very closely resembles the original pattern.
Bragging about the "MS70 perfection" is completely missing the point. After all, we are not talking about a full head and shield 18/17-S overdate Standing Liberty Quarter that by some miracle, was kept in a high state of preservation!
Unless the world has turned upside down, The "grade" of this UHR coin will hold less weight as time goes on.
I just read your reply after I posted mine above.
Just so you know, my "cracking out of the TPG holder" comment was not aimed at you, but rather, was a general observation about the pleasure of owning this coin in its original packaging.
<< <i>
<< <i>Everything you said makes perfect sense and I agree.
I just find it funny when so many here....and even some that run to break these pieces out of
their cases to put in plastic....ooohhh and aaahhhh when someone shows a nice old SCD in its original case. Or a
mint set still in its original display.
I can site example of this after example of this, but I won't. >>
I know what you mean.
But the UHR encapsulation crowd justifies this by saying to themselves, "I or you can always crack it out of its slab and place it back into the capsule." This way of thinking can be a real buzz kill. Just enjoy this beautiful coin with an understanding of its historical significance, and that it very closely resembles the original pattern.
Bragging about the "MS70 perfection" is completely missing the point. After all, we are not talking about a full head and shield 18/17-S overdate Standing Liberty Quarter that by some miracle, was kept in a high state of preservation!
Unless the world has turned upside down, The "grade" of this UHR coin will hold less weight as time goes on. >>
Fair enough. I respect what you're saying completely. Let me put it this way: if I offered you a FS MS70 UHR along with all OGP or a non graded UHR in it's OGP, both at exactly the same price (let's say original offering price + $90), which one would you purchase?
<< <i>Birthrate,
I just read your reply after I posted mine above.
Just so you know, my "cracking out of the TPG holder" comment was not aimed at you, but rather, was a general observation about the pleasure of owning this coin in its original packaging. >>
Cool. I posted the above reply before reading that as well.
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>Everything you said makes perfect sense and I agree.
I just find it funny when so many here....and even some that run to break these pieces out of
their cases to put in plastic....ooohhh and aaahhhh when someone shows a nice old SCD in its original case. Or a
mint set still in its original display.
I can site example of this after example of this, but I won't. >>
I know what you mean.
But the UHR encapsulation crowd justifies this by saying to themselves, "I or you can always crack it out of its slab and place it back into the capsule." This way of thinking can be a real buzz kill. Just enjoy this beautiful coin with an understanding of its historical significance, and that it very closely resembles the original pattern.
Bragging about the "MS70 perfection" is completely missing the point. After all, we are not talking about a full head and shield 18/17-S overdate Standing Liberty Quarter that by some miracle, was kept in a high state of preservation!
Unless the world has turned upside down, The "grade" of this UHR coin will hold less weight as time goes on. >>
Fair enough. I respect what you're saying completely. Let me put it this way: if I offered you a FS MS70 UHR along with all OGP or a non graded UHR in it's OGP, both at exactly the same price (let's say original offering price + $90), which one would you purchase? >>
Good question.
I would definitely take the graded MS70, but mainly because you're giving me such a great deal!
Now if you were selling the TPG MS70 for $500 more than the current mint price, I would just buy it from the mint.
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>Everything you said makes perfect sense and I agree.
I just find it funny when so many here....and even some that run to break these pieces out of
their cases to put in plastic....ooohhh and aaahhhh when someone shows a nice old SCD in its original case. Or a
mint set still in its original display.
I can site example of this after example of this, but I won't. >>
I know what you mean.
But the UHR encapsulation crowd justifies this by saying to themselves, "I or you can always crack it out of its slab and place it back into the capsule." This way of thinking can be a real buzz kill. Just enjoy this beautiful coin with an understanding of its historical significance, and that it very closely resembles the original pattern.
Bragging about the "MS70 perfection" is completely missing the point. After all, we are not talking about a full head and shield 18/17-S overdate Standing Liberty Quarter that by some miracle, was kept in a high state of preservation!
Unless the world has turned upside down, The "grade" of this UHR coin will hold less weight as time goes on. >>
Fair enough. I respect what you're saying completely. Let me put it this way: if I offered you a FS MS70 UHR along with all OGP or a non graded UHR in it's OGP, both at exactly the same price (let's say original offering price + $90), which one would you purchase? >>
Good question.
I would definitely take the graded MS70, but mainly because you're giving me such a great deal!
Now if you were selling the TPG MS70 for $500 more than the current mint price, I would just buy it from the mint. >>
So would I. We're on the same page, then!
65% MS70
69% MS70FS
I'm still sticking to 1500 MS70FS total.
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<< <i>68's holding steady though! >>
It appears we have our first MS68 non first strike!!
<< <i>Hot off the press......week of March 29th UHR Pops!!
65% MS70
69% MS70FS
I'm still sticking to 1500 MS70FS total.
<< <i>UHR Pops for the week of April 5th......not many additions to the First Strike Pops....definite leveling out!!
These numbers are fresh from today(Sunday).
Can't be too many more first strikes coming at this slowed pace!!!
FS 70's .... still at 69% of total...
69% MS70FS
No doubt it would grade AU53 by then.
Have the only one on the block!
<< <i>67% MS70
69% MS70FS
Maybe Madmarty can start a lowball set of moderns
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Finest Toned Ike I've Ever Seen, been looking since 1986
April 19
First Strikes
MS68- 3
MS69- 637
MS70- 1462
Regular
MS68- 4
MS69- 434
MS70- 894
April 26
First Strikes
MS68- 3
MS69- 645 +8
MS70- 1480 +18
=================
Total First Strikes= 2,128 +26
Regular
MS68- 4
MS69- 530 +96
MS70- 894 +102
=================
Total Regular= 1,530 +198
non FS 70's ......65% of total ...... Mint must be having a "quality control" problem.
<< <i>Dont mean to hijack the thread but the population reports for today 27 April are now available
April 19
First Strikes
MS68- 3
MS69- 637
MS70- 1462
Regular
MS68- 4
MS69- 434
MS70- 894
April 26
First Strikes
MS68- 3
MS69- 645 +8
MS70- 1480 +18
=================
Total First Strikes= 2,128 +26
Regular
MS68- 4
MS69- 530 +96
MS70- 894 +102
=================
Total Regular= 1,530 +198
Thanks for your help, rodzm!!!
Oh, and welcome to the forum!!!!
NGC today:
Early Releases: MS68= 5 MS69= 401 MS70= 590
Regular Releases:MS68 = 1 MS69= 402 MS70=655
Okay PCGS has graded UHR to date: MS70 total = 2374 and NGC has graded UHR to date: MS70 total = 1245
I live in Germany and when I accessed the report it was around 1 PM local time but the time was around 4 AM Pacific Time (which is where PCGS is located). I guess the reason for the report before you is because I am awake when everyone is sleeping. I can also post the reports if for some reason you cant make it. Plus Ill be able to post them "fresh off the press"
Hope you dont mind...just trying to help
Check out the HSN, they are selling the ANACS SP70 UHR's for $2999.99.
They claim they've sold 230 of their 298 ANACS coins.
How did they get so many coins????
100% 70's???? Are there any ANACS 69's??
Must see video..........HSN Link
<< <i>I like your help...much appreciated....interesting seeing the NGC pops...Thanks.
Check out the HSN, they are selling the ANACS SP70 UHR's for $2999.99.
They claim they've sold 230 of their 298 ANACS coins.
How did they get so many coins????
[/L] >>
Wondercoin, MCM and other aggregators. People sold theirs for $50 over issue, they then get resold.
<< <i>
<< <i>I like your help...much appreciated....interesting seeing the NGC pops...Thanks.
Check out the HSN, they are selling the ANACS SP70 UHR's for $2999.99.
They claim they've sold 230 of their 298 ANACS coins.
How did they get so many coins????
[/L] >>
Wondercoin, MCM and other aggregators. People sold theirs for $50 over issue, they then get resold. >>
I can't understand why someone would buy at HSN when they could take the same money, buy 2 sets from the mint (using a family member), have a few bucks left over (more than enough to cover TPG costs) and have good odds (better than fifty percent) that one or both would grade 70 (if FS was not a consideration).
<< <i>Dont mean to hijack the thread but the population reports for today 27 April are now available
April 19
First Strikes
MS68- 3
MS69- 637
MS70- 1462
Regular
MS68- 4
MS69- 434
MS70- 894
April 26
First Strikes
MS68- 3
MS69- 645 +8
MS70- 1480 +18
=================
Total First Strikes= 2,128 +26
Regular
MS68- 4
MS69- 530 +96
MS70- 894 +102
=================
Total Regular= 1,530 +198
May 3, 2009....................................
<< <i>I got to get me one of those "rare" 68's ..
Maybe you could start a low ball set!
Add one more to the kitty...
PCGS MS 70 FS!!
Now I'm so fired up, I'm thinkin' of sending in the Non-FS... but I prolly won't... it does look nice in that case!
A Truth That's Told With Bad Intent
Beats All The Lies You Can Invent
May 2
First Strikes
MS68- 3
MS69- 667
MS70- 1,503
=================
Total First Strikes=2,173
Regular
MS68- 4
MS69- 663
MS70- 1,125
=================
Total Regular= 1,792
May 9
First Strikes
MS68- 3
MS69- 681 +14
MS70- 1,517 +14
=================
Total First Strikes=2,201 +28
Regular
MS68- 4
MS69- 734 +71
MS70- 1,187 +62
=================
Total Regular= 1,925 +133
<< <i>Looks like the new numbers are in, only 28 added to the First Strike Totals
May 2
First Strikes
MS68- 3
MS69- 667
MS70- 1,503
=================
Total First Strikes=2,173
Regular
MS68- 4
MS69- 663
MS70- 1,125
=================
Total Regular= 1,792
May 9
First Strikes
MS68- 3
MS69- 681 +14
MS70- 1,517 +14
=================
Total First Strikes=2,201 +28
Regular
MS68- 4
MS69- 734 +71
MS70- 1,187 +62
=================
Total Regular= 1,925 +133
Thanks much for the early pops report, rodzm!!
Oh and Congrats to you, Obiwancanoli on your 70!!!