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The much anticipated UHR Pops as of March 15, 2009...***updated as of November 30, 2010!!***
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Down to 67% MS70's!!! 
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<< <i>All are First Strike? >>
Yup, except for................
I examined mine closely before submitting it and found this. See pic. I mentioned it in an earlier thread and a few members guessed it was from the edge lettering process. Someone pointed out that strictly speaking (Sheridan) if it happened during the minting process it would not lower the grade.
Whatever their reasoning PCGS gave it a 69.
Lance.
Come to think of it, my UHR had tiny "brushed" lines in the fields.
You have to tilt the coin in the right light to see them.
This photo just may have captured them.
Anyone else see these on their UHR's????
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We sent in (2) with the rim damage like that, (1) also had a dink on the reverse (sun) they graded (1) ms69 (1) ms70.
<< <i>Looks like PCGS is once again following NGC's lead in the modern market. If they are, expect to see an explosion in the 70 pops in all bullion dates and series. PCGS killed the value of rare 70s and all the 69s when they loosened in 2002. Looks like they may just do it again. Better start selling all those 70s before they become as common as 69s. Just my opinion based upon the evidence here, no need to flame. >>
You nailed it Fats, tho whats the likelihood of them having to pay out on a grade guarantee or other issue?
Or I made a horrible mistake in selling early!
<< <i>I expect to see an explosion of the numbers in the next week.
Or I made a horrible mistake in selling early!
I can't wait to see how many 'non' First Strike' coins come into play.....will take 2 to 3 weeks to really get a feel for the #'s.
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<< <i>Looks like PCGS is once again following NGC's lead in the modern market. If they are, expect to see an explosion in the 70 pops in all bullion dates and series. PCGS killed the value of rare 70s and all the 69s when they loosened in 2002. Looks like they may just do it again. Better start selling all those 70s before they become as common as 69s. Just my opinion based upon the evidence here, no need to flame. >>
You nailed it Fats, tho whats the likelihood of them having to pay out on a grade guarantee or other issue? >>
If they do they will pay less with the decreased value of the inflated pops.
Where do you find the pops on these?
<< <i>Yes...those very fine ilnes are die polish.
Where do you find the pops on these? >>
Thanks Sainty, looks like I'm learning some coin stuff.
I would love to see the very first UHR that came of the press for comparison.
GB
ps. Where are those die polish pops anywho??
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<< <i>Yes...those very fine ilnes are die polish.
Where do you find the pops on these? >>
Thanks Sainty, looks like I'm learning some coin stuff.
I would love to see the very first UHR that came of the press for comparison.
GB
ps. Where are those die polish pops anywho??
Much of the Canadian gold has vertical die polish lines from the bottom to the top of the coin, it's actually pretty cool looking.
Do you guys honestly think this UHR masterpiece is going to be a flop?
This is a very unique coin.. Has tons of history behind it and the die polish scratches that some are referring about is normal.
We must as coin collectors, not mom and pop flippers must give credit to the U.S. Mint and Mr. Moys commitment of pulling this off.
The grade in my opinion of Ms 70 with Die polish scratches are correct.. These scratches have nothing to do with the overall grading of this UHR coin.
I want you guys to really take a good 20 minutes in the next few days and compare this gem to other coins you have in High Relief and then ask yourself, hey there's no gouges,dings,dents in the fields, but when I look at the 3-D image of the gorgeous striking of this coin, it's a winner in all phases.
On another note with this discussion... The 70's are non typical of any other coin that has been deemed so by PCGS... It seems some are not happy that the pops are high... Or are they?
It's too early to view this coin in such a way that many of you are doing..
<< <i>It's too early to view this coin in such a way that many of you are doing.. >>
I have an 03/09/09 date on mine. I can't see it yet.
<< <i> The 70's are non typical of any other coin that has been deemed so by PCGS... It seems some are not happy that the pops are high... Or are they? >>
Well, I hope this will help anyone who is upset with the grading distribution...
New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
What would any of you do if your UHR arrived with a PCGS MS-69 first strike label, as mine did?
Would you sell it and attempt to get another, hoping for an MS-70?
Would you return it?
Would you be happy with the 69 FS and stop whining, like I'm doing now?
Please do not answer if you have more than one of these, with some graded 69 and some graded 70. Those responses are designed to get on my nerves. Let's assume you have one and only one of these.
I am going to forgo the quick profit for a coin that is truely unique and spectacular. And of course the potential to be quite rare.
ps:
I have been a reader of the Collector's Corner forums for quite a while. I have finally chimed in and plan to submit my humble opinions, wants, needs and ideas(no blather here)!
Thanks to all who provide interesting and informative conversation.
<< <i>I have overcome a dilemma. I have the "coveted" PCGS MS70 FS. Going on ebay for $2500+. I could flip it, but this coin is unique in many respects.
I am going to forgo the quick profit for a coin that is truely unique and spectacular. And of course the potential to be quite rare.
ps:
I have been a reader of the Collector's Corner forums for quite a while. I have finally chimed in and plan to submit my humble opinions, wants, needs and ideas(no blather here)!
Thanks to all who provide interesting and informative conversation. >>
First, welcome to the Forum!!!
Second, there is NOTHING AT ALL unique about this coin. Take your $1k plus in profits and order another from the Mint!!!
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<< <i>Although I wonder if the FS designation will help it retain its value over the near term. >>
The answer is an unequivocal YES, over the non FS labels. As past history will bear me out. Not only in the short term, but also in the long term. FS will not prevent a coin from "tanking," but it will not "tank" as much as a non FS label.
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<< <i>I have overcome a dilemma. I have the "coveted" PCGS MS70 FS. Going on ebay for $2500+. I could flip it, but this coin is unique in many respects.
I am going to forgo the quick profit for a coin that is truely unique and spectacular. And of course the potential to be quite rare.
ps:
I have been a reader of the Collector's Corner forums for quite a while. I have finally chimed in and plan to submit my humble opinions, wants, needs and ideas(no blather here)!
Thanks to all who provide interesting and informative conversation. >>
First, welcome to the Forum!!!
Second, there is NOTHING AT ALL unique about this coin. Take your $1k plus in profits and order another from the Mint!!! >>
Easier said than done. Last I checked, it was still one to a family and if what some were hearing from the Mint reps at the ANA Money Show is correct, it may never open up to allowing for a legal 2nd order for the same family.
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<< <i>Although I wonder if the FS designation will help it retain its value over the near term. >>
The answer is an unequivocal YES, over the non FS labels. As past history will bear me out. Not only in the short term, but also in the long term. FS will not prevent a coin from "tanking," but it will not "tank" as much as a non FS label. >>
OPA,
Cheer me up.
Mine is a first strike MS69.
I'm looking for feedback on the desirability of the 69 FS grade as opposed to the "perfect" 70.
<< <i>Welcome home, eggbone!!!
Indeed!
<< <i>Which would prefer a 69 FS or a plain 70 ? >>
That's a tough one. If you are a pure coin collector , probably the MS70.
If you are a slab collector, maybe the FS
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<< <i>Which would prefer a 69 FS or a plain 70 ? >>
That's a tough one. If you are a pure coin collector , probably the MS70.
If you are a slab collector, maybe the FS >>
Great question and a great distinction presented in the reply.
However, I vehemently argue that quality trumps first strike designation regardless of your affections for slabs.
If this is not true,well then please pass me an HSN employment application.
It is FS 70, 70, then FS 69, then 69 etc. etc.
And if you really want an argument, first strike designation means nothing to a coin purist. First strike is marketing and money, pure and simple.
Cheers!
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<< <i>Which would prefer a 69 FS or a plain 70 ? >>
That's a tough one. If you are a pure coin collector , probably the MS70.
If you are a slab collector, maybe the FS >>
It's not a tough one at all. In fact it is very simple. Coin collectors collect coins, First Strike collectors collect ink on a slip of paper. There is zero numismatic value to a first strike label. When it comes to coins, the current use of first strike is meaningless. So, if you are a coin collector get the 70. Since it is the more common grade it should be selling at no premium to mint issue. Anything more makes no sense.
I thought PCGS is tough on moderns? So I guess gradeflation affects moderns too after all; soon you'll see this being traded with the same respect as ICG modern coins.
credibility for PCGS moderns is waning it appears
<< <i>If you are a slab collector, maybe the FS >>
It's not a tough one at all. In fact it is very simple. Coin collectors collect coins, First Strike collectors collect ink on a slip of paper. There is zero numismatic value to a first strike label. When it comes to coins, the current use of first strike is meaningless. So, if you are a coin collector get the 70. Since it is the more common grade it should be selling at no premium to mint issue. Anything more makes no sense. >>
<< <i>I thought PCGS is tough on moderns? So I guess gradeflation affects moderns too after all; soon you'll see this being traded with the same respect as ICG modern coins.
credibility for PCGS moderns is waning it appears >>
To me, credibility wanes if, and only if, the graded coins don't make the grade. I know that ICG's don't.
If the coins are coming out better, and more grade higher to show it, I don't have a problem with it. I don't go by pop numbers, I go by how the coin actually looks and grades.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
This is all a charade IMHO.
<< <i>I originally got two, in case I ever needed to make some $$ or flip or whatever. I actually got both in time for First Strike. But I just lost my job and am thinking it might be smart to ebay them both, while there's a certain scarcity premium. Although I wonder if the FS designation will help it retain its value over the near term. >>
My opinion is, the trend is down.
<< <i>Which would prefer a 69 FS or a plain 70 ? >>
Which would you prefer, a 69 with awesome eye appeal or a 70 with less eye appeal?
<< <i>Which would prefer a 69 FS or a plain 70 ? >>
If I were a collector of modern gold, I would prefer the original mint packaging.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>Down to 67% MS70's!!!
Is this the same Goldbuly that thrashed Mint junk a ways back ??????
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<< <i>Which would prefer a 69 FS or a plain 70 ? >>
Which would you prefer, a 69 with awesome eye appeal or a 70 with less eye appeal? >>
I would take the 70 in both cases, I guess I've never seen a 70 with less eye appeal than a 69.
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<< <i>Down to 67% MS70's!!!
Is this the same Goldbuly that thrashed Mint junk a ways back ?????? >>
What chu talkin' 'bout, bestday!!!
Actually, as the bully of gold...I decree that there is no such thing as 'Gold' modern crap!!!
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<< <i>All are First Strike? >>
Yup, except for................
One of the two Non 1st strike MS70's is at $2000 on ebay and going off tonight!!!(not mine) link
Ended at $2,025 for non 1st strike... I think some money was left on the table with the choice not to go with 1st strike...
~68% are MS70!!!
<< <i>As of March 22, 2009..........
~68% are MS70!!! >>
The Non First Strikes will start pouring in next week and beyond!!!
I predict there will be total ~1500 MS70FS's....anyone else care to chime in???
K
<< <i>Just curious,
What would any of you do if your UHR arrived with a PCGS MS-69 first strike label, as mine did?
Would you sell it and attempt to get another, hoping for an MS-70?
Would you return it?
Would you be happy with the 69 FS and stop whining, like I'm doing now?
Please do not answer if you have more than one of these, with some graded 69 and some graded 70. Those responses are designed to get on my nerves. Let's assume you have one and only one of these. >>
Can't return it to the mint after 7 days. New policy.
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