Oh and Congrats to you, Obiwancanoli on your 70!!! >>
Thanks, Goldbully... now, it's tucked away, and I'm considering sending the other one I have in to PCGS... it's not FS, though I've been going back and forth on the slabbing thing. I'm inclined to keep it original, but the first 70 is fueling my "thirst" for another, with the pops suggesting it would be worth the effort...
Happy either way...
UBERCOINER
A Truth That's Told With Bad Intent Beats All The Lies You Can Invent
<< <i>My sincere condolences to the individual who received the 66.
Do you suppose that when it hits ebay, it will have a description along the lines of, "POP 1 with only 1998 Higher!"? >>
I am sure that the owner of the 66 has long since cracked it out and returned it to the OGP. At least, if he has any common sense. >>
Actually wouldn't the Mint's return policy have expired by the time one would get a coin back from PCGS? In any event, maybe that was one that fell on the floor somewhere along the line.
If it were mine, I think I'd crack that baby outa there and head to Ebay... since it's not an FS, would serve him better to try ordering another from the Mint. He'll get at least what he paid for it, perhaps even cover the slabbing, but in the end, he likely won't take a similar hit on a different coin, wouldn't you say?
UBERCOINER
A Truth That's Told With Bad Intent Beats All The Lies You Can Invent
While I've always thought the "differences" between 69 and 70 are beyond comprehension, an MS66 will clearly show minor flaws. It's still a very respectable grade, but for this particular coin, I would prefer a minimum grade of MS67.
In the end, however, unless these UHR coins are damaged or have obvious flaws that jump out at you, the "grade" should have little significance.
At least that's how I see it. Of course, I cannot control how others see it.
<< <i>MS70's getting tougher on the non first strikers!!!
Non-FS MS70...57.8% FS MS70...........68.3%
OK OK.....anyone holding the MS63?? >>
Anyone want to venture that 1,598 is the final number for MS70 First Strikes? Is there really anyone still out there holding onto an unopened package to qualify for First Strike consideration? Does PCGS have some eventual cut off date for being able to submit sealed packages for First Strike Consideration?
<< <i>MS70's getting tougher on the non first strikers!!!
Non-FS MS70...57.8% FS MS70...........68.3%
OK OK.....anyone holding the MS63?? >>
Anyone want to venture that 1,598 is the final number for MS70 First Strikes? Is there really anyone still out there holding onto an unopened package to qualify for First Strike consideration? Does PCGS have some eventual cut off date for being able to submit sealed packages for First Strike Consideration? >>
I just read on another forum someone that has not opened thier package yet as they are not sure they want to submit for FS yet or not.
<< <i>68, 69, 70 does it really matter in this context? They virtually ALL look superb, don't they? >>
No, actually. They are not all visually the same.
I don't think the numbers reflect how some of these look.
Many are affected by terrible, distracting die polish lines.
Once in a while you see one with a stunning surface texture that does not look like it was attacked with a wire brush.
The numbers do not tell you which ones are the Good Ones. You have to see enough of them to realize the difference yourself. >>
Interesting information. So, in essence, a 68 can have greater overall eye-appeal than a 70, despite some minuscule imperfections. By the way, I can't help but wonder why coins with "distracting die polish lines" receive such lofty grades.
<< <i>Perhaps ... It appears by the figures, that the early planchets did result in a much higher % of 70's being produced.
Or.............................is it a die thing?? More polished dies?.....results.......MS69 or less!!! Anyone else?? >>
Whatever the reason...more of the early minted UHR's were getting 70's.....( Hold on to your PCGS FS's ..... the rest will be just trading as "bullion" in a few years)
"Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
Non First Strike MS70's are 59% of Non-FS Pops. First Strike 70's are 68% of FS Pops. Just added a 2nd MS64 making the total pops of 2!!! ...Excuse me, but.......... 1. What buyer would submit such a poor quality coin?? 2. What happened to the Mint's QC?? Got us another MS68 added to the fold.
<< <i>Non First Strike MS70's are 59% of Non-FS Pops. First Strike 70's are 68% of FS Pops. Just added a 2nd MS64 making the total pops of 2!!! ...Excuse me, but.......... 1. What buyer would submit such a poor quality coin?? 2. What happened to the Mint's QC?? Got us another MS68 added to the fold.
I would love to see a PROOF 70 or Ultra D-cam for a MS coin, you know years ago on certain coins you could pay the mint a premium for just this.. A proof or a d-cam coin... Mainly only a few were bought because of the hike in price, I still wonder who has them hidden away... When or if some are already graded, I would love to see one.. Yaha
So, is this a case where the POP-1 coins in MS-63 (407404) and in MS-65 (407405) being much scarcer than the higher graded MS-69's and MS-70's, will be commercially valued higher because of their scarcity in poorer condition lower grade??
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
edited to add: 1199 Non First Strike and 21 First Strike UHR's graded in the past 2 months. 1 new 68, 6 new 69's, and 14 new 70's! My MS70FS is looking pretty good as time carries on!!
Comments
<< <i>
<< <i>Looks like the new numbers are in, only 28 added to the First Strike Totals
May 2
First Strikes
MS68- 3
MS69- 667
MS70- 1,503
=================
Total First Strikes=2,173
Regular
MS68- 4
MS69- 663
MS70- 1,125
=================
Total Regular= 1,792
May 9
First Strikes
MS68- 3
MS69- 681 +14
MS70- 1,517 +14
=================
Total First Strikes=2,201 +28
Regular
MS68- 4
MS69- 734 +71
MS70- 1,187 +62
=================
Total Regular= 1,925 +133
Thanks much for the early pops report, rodzm!!
Oh and Congrats to you, Obiwancanoli on your 70!!!
Thanks, Goldbully... now, it's tucked away, and I'm considering sending the other one I have in to PCGS... it's not FS, though I've been going back and forth on the slabbing thing. I'm inclined to keep it original, but the first 70 is fueling my "thirst" for another, with the pops suggesting it would be worth the effort...
Happy either way...
A Truth That's Told With Bad Intent
Beats All The Lies You Can Invent
$1544.68 by year's end.
<< <i>I predict pops will go up and so will the price of gold.
$1544.68 by year's end. >>
You are way off of the price of Gold Joe by years end.. I predict it to be $1,550.02...
<< <i>You are way off of the price of Gold Joe by years end.. I predict it to be $1,550.02... >>
I dont think so it will hover around 800-900....
"Because I can"
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And to top it off we also have one very very very upset and unlucky soul who got a regular MS66
Plus two added to the regular MS68
May 9
First Strikes
MS68- 3
MS69- 681
MS70- 1,517
=================
Total First Strikes=2,201
Regular
MS68- 4
MS69- 734
MS70- 1,187
=================
Total Regular= 1,925
May 16
First Strikes
MS68- 3
MS69- 688 +7
MS70- 1,533 +16
=================
Total First Strikes=2,224 +23
Regular
MS66- 1 +1
MS68- 6 +2
MS69- 767 +33
MS70- 1,225 +38
=================
Total Regular= 1,999 +74
<< <i>That time of the week once again...and a drasatic decrease as of last week.
And to top it off we also have one very very very upset and unlucky soul who got a regular MS66
Plus two added to the regular MS68
May 9
First Strikes
MS68- 3
MS69- 681
MS70- 1,517
=================
Total First Strikes=2,201
Regular
MS68- 4
MS69- 734
MS70- 1,187
=================
Total Regular= 1,925
May 16
First Strikes
MS68- 3
MS69- 688 +7
MS70- 1,533 +16
=================
Total First Strikes=2,224 +23
Regular
MS66- 1 +1
MS68- 6 +2
MS69- 767 +33
MS70- 1,225 +38
=================
Total Regular= 1,999 +74
Non first strikes could surpass first strikes in a couple weeks!!!
Thanks for the report, rodzm!!
Do you suppose that when it hits ebay, it will have a description along the lines of, "POP 1 with only 1998 Higher!"?
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<< <i>My sincere condolences to the individual who received the 66.
Do you suppose that when it hits ebay, it will have a description along the lines of, "POP 1 with only 1998 Higher!"? >>
I am sure that the owner of the 66 has long since cracked it out and returned it to the OGP. At least, if he has any common sense.
<< <i>
<< <i>My sincere condolences to the individual who received the 66.
Do you suppose that when it hits ebay, it will have a description along the lines of, "POP 1 with only 1998 Higher!"? >>
I am sure that the owner of the 66 has long since cracked it out and returned it to the OGP. At least, if he has any common sense. >>
Actually wouldn't the Mint's return policy have expired by the time one would get a coin back from PCGS? In any event, maybe that was one that fell on the floor somewhere along the line.
If it were mine, I think I'd crack that baby outa there and head to Ebay... since it's not an FS, would serve him better to try ordering another from the Mint. He'll get at least what he paid for it, perhaps even cover the slabbing, but in the end, he likely won't take a similar hit on a different coin, wouldn't you say?
A Truth That's Told With Bad Intent
Beats All The Lies You Can Invent
In the end, however, unless these UHR coins are damaged or have obvious flaws that jump out at you, the "grade" should have little significance.
At least that's how I see it. Of course, I cannot control how others see it.
Miles
First Strikes
MS68- 3
MS69- 692
MS70- 1,533
=================
Total First Strikes=2,228
Regular
MS66-1
MS68- 6
MS69- 812
MS70- 1,252
=================
Total Regular= 2,071
BWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
there truly is no limit to $tupidity
K S
Non-FS MS70...57.8%
FS MS70...........68.3%
OK OK.....anyone holding the MS63??
<< <i>MS70's getting tougher on the non first strikers!!!
Non-FS MS70...57.8%
FS MS70...........68.3%
OK OK.....anyone holding the MS63??
Anyone want to venture that 1,598 is the final number for MS70 First Strikes? Is there really anyone still out there holding onto an unopened package to qualify for First Strike consideration? Does PCGS have some eventual cut off date for being able to submit sealed packages for First Strike Consideration?
<< <i>
<< <i>MS70's getting tougher on the non first strikers!!!
Non-FS MS70...57.8%
FS MS70...........68.3%
OK OK.....anyone holding the MS63??
Anyone want to venture that 1,598 is the final number for MS70 First Strikes? Is there really anyone still out there holding onto an unopened package to qualify for First Strike consideration? Does PCGS have some eventual cut off date for being able to submit sealed packages for First Strike Consideration? >>
I just read on another forum someone that has not opened thier package yet as they are not sure they want to submit for FS yet or not.
<< <i>MS70's getting tougher on the non first strikers!!!
Non-FS MS70...57.8%
FS MS70...........68.3%
OK OK.....anyone holding the MS63??
I broke that one with spots out and re-subbed it.... scored the 64.
Should I mail them the 63 label with a picture of the 64?
kidding!
<< <i>68, 69, 70 does it really matter in this context? They virtually ALL look superb, don't they? >>
No, actually. They are not all visually the same.
I don't think the numbers reflect how some of these look.
Many are affected by terrible, distracting die polish lines.
Once in a while you see one with a stunning surface texture that does not look like it was attacked with a wire brush.
The numbers do not tell you which ones are the Good Ones. You have to see enough of them to realize the difference yourself.
<< <i>
<< <i>68, 69, 70 does it really matter in this context? They virtually ALL look superb, don't they? >>
No, actually. They are not all visually the same.
I don't think the numbers reflect how some of these look.
Many are affected by terrible, distracting die polish lines.
Once in a while you see one with a stunning surface texture that does not look like it was attacked with a wire brush.
The numbers do not tell you which ones are the Good Ones. You have to see enough of them to realize the difference yourself. >>
Interesting information. So, in essence, a 68 can have greater overall eye-appeal than a 70, despite some minuscule imperfections.
By the way, I can't help but wonder why coins with "distracting die polish lines" receive such lofty grades.
so, standards were set early.
<< <i>earlier ones came complete with their own set. esp. on the obv.
so, standards were set early. >>
? sorry, but to what are your referring by "own set?"
First Strike UHR's are now 36% of the total population at PCGS.
<< <i>With the new raised limits, could the First Strike UHR get a bit of a bump??
First Strike UHR's are now 36% of the total population at PCGS.
Perhaps ... It appears by the figures, that the early planchets did result in a much higher % of 70's being produced.
Or.............................is it a die thing??
More polished dies?.....results.......MS69 or less!!!
Anyone else??
<< <i>Perhaps ... It appears by the figures, that the early planchets did result in a much higher % of 70's being produced.
Or.............................is it a die thing??
More polished dies?.....results.......MS69 or less!!!
Anyone else?? >>
Whatever the reason...more of the early minted UHR's were getting 70's.....( Hold on to your PCGS FS's ..... the rest will be just trading as "bullion" in a few years)
I will heed your advice, Opa!!!!
First Strike 70's are 68% of FS Pops.
Just added a 2nd MS64 making the total pops of 2!!! ...Excuse me, but..........
1. What buyer would submit such a poor quality coin??
2. What happened to the Mint's QC??
Got us another MS68 added to the fold.
<< <i>Non First Strike MS70's are 59% of Non-FS Pops.
First Strike 70's are 68% of FS Pops.
Just added a 2nd MS64 making the total pops of 2!!! ...Excuse me, but..........
1. What buyer would submit such a poor quality coin??
2. What happened to the Mint's QC??
Got us another MS68 added to the fold.
TTT
Wow and a 65 First Strike!!!!! That's what can happen when you send in a sealed box!!!!
<< <i>
Just added a 2nd MS64 making the total pops of 2!!! ...Excuse me, but..........
1. What buyer would submit such a poor quality coin??
>>
May be the buy wants his coin to be POP 3 or less.
From 9/19/09
Edited to add: Ouch add another MS67 and MS68 Non FS
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
<< <i>as of 10/25/09....Glad I have a FS slab....
Edited to add: Ouch add another MS67 and MS68 Non FS
As of Sunday, 11/15/09.......Our first MS65 and 5 more MS68 in non f/s!!!
Miles
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<< <i>Why in the world would anyone pay more than a $20-$30 premium for a MS70 when almost 60% of all random examples grade MS70?? >>
edited to add: 1199 Non First Strike and 21 First Strike UHR's graded in the past 2 months.
1 new 68, 6 new 69's, and 14 new 70's!
My MS70FS is looking pretty good as time carries on!!