1952 Topps MANTLE Rookie PSA 3 - POOF!!!!

bobbyw8469 · March 25, 2009 11:59AM

The above listed card recently auctioned just disappeared!!! Anyone have any idea what happened???

Mantle Rookie

IJustLoveCards · March 25, 2009 12:10PM

off ebay sale...gotta be..he got an offer he didnt want to refuse is my guess.

mike92694 · March 25, 2009 12:23PM

<< The above listed card recently auctioned just disappeared!!! Anyone have any idea what happened???

Mantle Rookie >>

It reminds me not to deal with the seller. No matter how trustworthy the seller is, I don't like sellers who cancel eBay auctions just because the price is too low or someone made a better offer. I believe that once a competing bid has been made, it should be honored. Otherwise, don't even bother selling.

bobbyw8469 · March 25, 2009 12:33PM

VCP Average was only $8,350.....He wanted $11,000......that would have been a new record......last I checked, I thought we were in a recession and the card market was depressed?!?!?!

Jeff85fan · March 25, 2009 1:03PM

<< 

<< The above listed card recently auctioned just disappeared!!! Anyone have any idea what happened???

Mantle Rookie >>

It reminds me not to deal with the seller. No matter how trustworthy the seller is, I don't like sellers who cancel eBay auctions just because the price is too low or someone made a better offer. I believe that once a competing bid has been made, it should be honored. Otherwise, don't even bother selling. >>

The listing is showing no bids were placed? Or am I missing something? If he didn't have any bids then is there harm in ending it early?

lsutigers1973 · March 25, 2009 1:10PM

<< The listing is showing no bids were placed? >>

All bids were cancelled.

JackWESQ · March 25, 2009 1:15PM

<< off ebay sale >>

Very likely. Received a good offer? Probably. And, of course, it's always nice to avoid having to pay eBay and Paypal fees, which according to this Calculator would be $148.96 and $246.80, respectively. (Wow! That's a lot in fees!)

/s/ JackWESQ

stevek · March 25, 2009 1:24PM

I'd say he likely sold it.

relaxed · March 25, 2009 1:49PM

The last time I had check the card it was at 7600.00. It also seems to me that someone decided to pay some big bucks to buy this card off ebay.

thunderdan · March 25, 2009 1:53PM

yeah, he quoted me 11K to end the auction. that was too high for me. then he kept emailing me and came all the way down to 9.25K. I imagine that's what somebody offered him. I was just planning on bidding in the off chance that I could have picked it up for around VCP average. I was pretty sure, though, that somebody would come in with an offer he couldn't refuse.

Plus, I think he had to sell it because he recently upgraded on this card.

earlycalguy · March 25, 2009 3:26PM

I am about an hour from the seller and had emailed him about an offer. his price was too high for me but he was VERY willing to make an off ebay deal on the card and end the listing.

WinPitcher · March 25, 2009 10:10PM

Agree with Mike, another seller that I'll never buy from.

Steve

scoutsout47 · March 26, 2009 2:30AM

I've dealth with this seller in the past, and he was a pretty stand-up guy. I'm sure he took the greenbacks and ran. Good for him!

KbKards · March 26, 2009 2:35AM

It says the auction was ended due to an error in the listing. He probably found out that the 1952 Topps isn't Mantle's rookie card and felt bad he promoted it as a rookie card. I'm sure it will be corrected and listed again soon so Ebay can collect the fees they worked so hard for.

WinPitcher · March 26, 2009 3:39AM

I agree, great for him. I just don't spend my money with people that end auctions early.

A month ago someone asked me to do just that, Offered 75.00 for a card. No bids had been placed yet
but 3 people were watching it. Instead of taking the money and running I let the auction go.

A valued customer of mine won it for 45.00. Had I ended it early and sold it that valued customer might not have won

the 11 cards last week from me. He might have said screw him (me)

A few months ago someone here created a thread and asked for advice on the best way to sell a specific card.

Of course he also linked the auction. (SPAM) I had plans on bidding on that card and it had at least 6 bids on it when

he ended it early, came here and boasted how much he sold it for. Since then he has listed a few cards I might have been

interested in, but since he night sell it from under me I pass his auctions by.

So yes I agree good for them, I'm happy that they made a sale.

Steve

stevek · March 26, 2009 3:48AM

<< It says the auction was ended due to an error in the listing. He probably found out that the 1952 Topps isn't Mantle's rookie card and felt bad he promoted it as a rookie card. I'm sure it will be corrected and listed again soon so Ebay can collect the fees they worked so hard for. >>

I think I only ever ended one or two auctions early and it was because I really did have an error in the listing - There are only a few things you can choose for a "reason" - I don't think ebay really gives a chit that much - they still get their listing fees.

As for the guy ending his auction early...I'd be sure he doesn't give a chit either if he hurt any feelings over grabbing whatever money he grabbed for a '52 mantle - I don't know this seller but I mean cut him a break on this one - you're talking around 8 -11 large here.

BIGBEN7 · March 26, 2009 5:59AM

I agree, give the guy a break. Were talking about 52 Mantle not a modern crap card. He must have got a very good offer and avoided fleabay fees whats wrong with that.

JackWESQ · March 26, 2009 6:18AM

eBay = Free Advertising? (Well, except for listing fees.)

/s/ JackWESQ

mike92694 · March 26, 2009 6:19AM

<< 

<< It says the auction was ended due to an error in the listing. He probably found out that the 1952 Topps isn't Mantle's rookie card and felt bad he promoted it as a rookie card. I'm sure it will be corrected and listed again soon so Ebay can collect the fees they worked so hard for. >>

I think I only ever ended one or two auctions early and it was because I really did have an error in the listing - There are only a few things you can choose for a "reason" - I don't think ebay really gives a chit that much - they still get their listing fees.

As for the guy ending his auction early...I'd be sure he doesn't give a chit either if he hurt any feelings over grabbing whatever money he grabbed for a '52 mantle - I don't know this seller but I mean cut him a break on this one - you're talking around 8 -11 large here. >>

The listing fees are "minimal" compared to the Final Value Vees.

Furthermore, if I were the high bidder, I would be greatly upset if someone pulled the rug from under me.

bobbyw8469 · March 26, 2009 7:16AM

The irony behind this, is if he let the auction run, he MIGHT have gotten more money thru the auction rather than selling it offline.....

BIGBEN7 · March 26, 2009 7:22AM

The irony behind this, is if he let the auction run, he MIGHT have gotten more money thru the auction rather than selling it offline.....

I am sure he did better then letting the auction run. The person must have given him an offer he could not refuse and he avoided the ebay and paypal fees.

WinPitcher · March 26, 2009 9:31AM

I'm happy for the guy, I hope he did well.

I won't be bidding on any of his items ever.

No need to give him a break, I don't really care.

Steve

itzagoner · March 26, 2009 9:36AM

<< I'm sure it will be corrected and listed again soon so Ebay can collect the fees they worked so hard for. >>

LMAO.

WinPitcher · March 26, 2009 9:36AM

Bigben, SteveK et al

Suppose you were the high bidder, say at 8k and were willing to go to 10k.

You played by the rules, some schmoe comes in, emails the guy and gets it for 9k.

You still have no problem with that? Had the auction ran its course, you may have gotten it for 9,100.00 or
900.00 less then what you were willing to bid.

Stevek of course the guy does not give a chit, that goes without saying, if he did he would have allowed the auction to
run its course.

I wonder how many people had bids and snipes set?

Steve

BIGBEN7 · March 26, 2009 9:44AM

Winpitcher,

Suppose the bidder was going out of town or cannot be near a computer when the auction ends. He was just trying to get a card he really wants. There have been a few times I was not going to be at computer when the auction I was bidding on was going to end. So I contacted the seller and made an great offer to end the auction early. This is a very nice card for the grade and as you can tell alot of interest.

WinPitcher · March 26, 2009 9:50AM

Ben the bidder could use a snipe. So basically screw everyone else?

Steve

earlycalguy · March 26, 2009 10:05AM

while many don't like ending auctions early, sometimes with a card at this price you have to go with the sure thing if you have a deal. last thing a seller needs is a zero feedback bidder winning your 10K $$ 52' Mantle and not paying or causing problems with the delivery and a paypal scam

mike92694 · March 26, 2009 12:38PM

<< while many don't like ending auctions early, sometimes with a card at this price you have to go with the sure thing if you have a deal. last thing a seller needs is a zero feedback bidder winning your 10K $$ 52' Mantle and not paying or causing problems with the delivery and a paypal scam >>

I disagree. If you don't want to play by the rules, don't come to eBay. There are a lot of "other venues" to sell your cards . I'm sure if it were any other auction site, they would be very annoyed if you tried to do such a thing to them.

WinPitcher · March 26, 2009 11:22PM

Basically what sellers like this do is they use ebay for its traffic then sell off it.

Not fair to ebay, not fair to other bidders.

Now the buyer of this card has NO protection.

When he gets this card in hand and sees just how bad that spooned out crease is
he has no leverage in making a return.

Steve

thunderdan · March 26, 2009 11:31PM

<< Basically what sellers like this do is they use ebay for its traffic then sell off it.

Not fair to ebay, not fair to other bidders.

Now the buyer of this card has NO protection.

When he gets this card in hand and sees just how bad that spooned out crease is
he has no leverage in making a return.

Steve >>

Steve, I think the guy that bought it was local here in Seattle and purchased/picked up in person. When I spoke with him, he had several interested parties here in Seattle (supposedly). Nevertheless, I can see why people get upset by this. And, I'm guessing most people don't know much about spooning creases. I know I didn't.

WinPitcher · March 26, 2009 11:39PM

Then he could have used craigslist. Once he put it up for auction on ebay
he should have let the auction run its course. I also at the same time agree
that the item belongs to the seller and he can do whatever he chooses with it
during the time it is up for auction. Ebay afterall does allow for sellers to end auctions early.
Some sellers even mention it in the description. Some say that this item is also for sale
in their store and could be sold before the auction ends.

I have no problem with him selling offline. My opinion is that I simply do not bid with sellers that
do this.

Steve

gumbyfan · March 27, 2009 12:05AM

<< Not fair to ebay >>

All the more reason to do it. With the way they've turned their backs on sellers, I'm all for sticking it to feebay!

mike92694 · March 27, 2009 12:08AM

<< 

<< Not fair to ebay >>

All the more reason to do it. With the way they've turned their backs on sellers, I'm all for sticking it to feebay! >>

Could you give some examples of how they turned their backs on sellers?

MeteoriteGuy · March 27, 2009 12:13AM

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<< 

<< Not fair to ebay >>

All the more reason to do it. With the way they've turned their backs on sellers, I'm all for sticking it to feebay! >>

Could you give some examples of how they turned their backs on sellers? >>

Sellers not able to leave feedback.

The 18th time they raised their fees.

The rating system in general.

Seller items not coming up in search.

Need more?

gumbyfan · March 27, 2009 12:13AM

<< Could you give some examples of how they turned their backs on sellers? >>

Zero recourse against scum buyers. If you file a NPB, the bidder can have it removed with a simple phone call. On top of that, sellers can no longer leave negative feedback for those scum buyers. If the buyer pays and you send the advertised item in a timely manner, they can receive the item, file a SNAD claim and return a stack of commons. Paypal (owned by feebay) will then pull the money from your account and the scum buyer gets the product and their money back.

Don't even get me started on the fees.

swartz1 · March 27, 2009 12:20AM

I hope the seller got what he wanted for the card...

If anyone truly wanted the card they would have used the BIN...

Seller probably could care less about bids / potential bidders / future bidders that will block his auctions...

mike92694 · March 27, 2009 1:09AM

<< 

<< Could you give some examples of how they turned their backs on sellers? >>

Zero recourse against scum buyers. If you file a NPB, the bidder can have it removed with a simple phone call. On top of that, sellers can no longer leave negative feedback for those scum buyers. If the buyer pays and you send the advertised item in a timely manner, they can receive the item, file a SNAD claim and return a stack of commons. Paypal (owned by feebay) will then pull the money from your account and the scum buyer gets the product and their money back.

Don't even get me started on the fees. >>

In which case, I would think just not to sell on eBay then. To me, eBay is like Microsoft. You can complain all you want, but for most people, if you want to get the respective services done, you need to use their services. Can you think of a better venue to sell your stuff than eBay? Sure, there is the BST, but that is very limited in the scope of potential buyers. There are also other methods too, but some take a long time to pay you and have certain rules also.

gumbyfan · March 27, 2009 1:49AM

<< 

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<< Could you give some examples of how they turned their backs on sellers? >>

Zero recourse against scum buyers. If you file a NPB, the bidder can have it removed with a simple phone call. On top of that, sellers can no longer leave negative feedback for those scum buyers. If the buyer pays and you send the advertised item in a timely manner, they can receive the item, file a SNAD claim and return a stack of commons. Paypal (owned by feebay) will then pull the money from your account and the scum buyer gets the product and their money back.

Don't even get me started on the fees. >>

In which case, I would think just not to sell on eBay then. To me, eBay is like Microsoft. You can complain all you want, but for most people, if you want to get the respective services done, you need to use their services. Can you think of a better venue to sell your stuff than eBay? Sure, there is the BST, but that is very limited in the scope of potential buyers. There are also other methods too, but some take a long time to pay you and have certain rules also. >>

You asked for some examples of how ebay has turned their backs on sellers.

I provided some examples.

You didn't argue the point.

Game. Set. Match.

Next.

mike92694 · March 27, 2009 1:59AM

<< 

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<< 

<< Could you give some examples of how they turned their backs on sellers? >>

Zero recourse against scum buyers. If you file a NPB, the bidder can have it removed with a simple phone call. On top of that, sellers can no longer leave negative feedback for those scum buyers. If the buyer pays and you send the advertised item in a timely manner, they can receive the item, file a SNAD claim and return a stack of commons. Paypal (owned by feebay) will then pull the money from your account and the scum buyer gets the product and their money back.

Don't even get me started on the fees. >>

In which case, I would think just not to sell on eBay then. To me, eBay is like Microsoft. You can complain all you want, but for most people, if you want to get the respective services done, you need to use their services. Can you think of a better venue to sell your stuff than eBay? Sure, there is the BST, but that is very limited in the scope of potential buyers. There are also other methods too, but some take a long time to pay you and have certain rules also. >>

You asked for some examples of how ebay has turned their backs on sellers.

I provided some examples.

You didn't argue the point.

Game. Set. Match.

Next. >>

Screw it, dude. I've argued the point, in that if you don't like the rules, don't sell on eBay.

gumbyfan · March 27, 2009 2:07AM

<< Screw it, dude. I've argued the point, in that if you don't like the rules, don't sell on eBay. >>

Ok, "dude".

WinPitcher · March 27, 2009 5:35AM

"If anyone truly wanted the card they would have used the BIN..."

That would be difficult since that auction DID NOT have a BIN.

Steve

mtcards · March 27, 2009 7:15AM

Its the worse of two evils. Someone pulling an auction early or avoiding feebay FVF.

If I had to choose, I would go with supporting the circumvention of ebay fees.

123Slider · March 27, 2009 7:56AM

two words.... SAFETY BID

bigwilli · March 27, 2009 8:07AM

I probably would have ended it too . It all comes down to the money . If you were to block me because i ended an auction then
so be it . You would only be one person not bidding on my stuff . There are millions of other people who would still bid.

Plus , with an expensive card like that maybe the seller wanted to deal with a buyer that would actually pay instead
of a buyer that would end up having buyers remorse

Ahmanfan · March 27, 2009 3:47PM

<< Winpitcher,

Suppose the bidder was going out of town or cannot be near a computer when the auction ends. He was just trying to get a card he really wants. There have been a few times I was not going to be at computer when the auction I was bidding on was going to end. So I contacted the seller and made an great offer to end the auction early. This is a very nice card for the grade and as you can tell alot of interest. >>

This sounds silly to me and like a waste of your $. Whatever 'great' offer you are going to make, put that in your snipe and you will likely win the card at less than your offer price.

John

shagrotn77 · March 27, 2009 4:04PM

If the seller got his price, good for him. Greedbay/PP take a ridiculous amount of money these days. Any time you can get your price and avoid one or both fees, I say good for you. And if you want a card bad enough, I think you HAVE to make an offer during the auction, at least to let the seller know you're interested in the event that he wants to end early.

swartz1 · March 27, 2009 4:28PM

guess you missed the point...

it did have a buy it now...

ebay dealer style...

swartz1 · March 27, 2009 4:29PM

<< If the seller got his price, good for him. Greedbay/PP take a ridiculous amount of money these days. Any time you can get your price and avoid one or both fees, I say good for you. And if you want a card bad enough, I think you HAVE to make an offer during the auction, at least to let the seller know you're interested in the event that he wants to end early. >>

Yes...someone finally gets it...excellent post...

WinPitcher · March 27, 2009 7:37PM

It had plenty of interest the bidding was up over 7k.

At least one person here emailed the seller and showed interest.

The bottom line is simply Ebay allows for dealers to end auctions early, they can sell to the high bidder, they can
end for whatever reason they choose. It is after all there item.

And like sellers can sell offline, potential bidders can choose not to bid with such sellers.

Steve

WinPitcher · March 27, 2009 7:38PM

Double post.

WinPitcher · March 27, 2009 7:40PM

guess you missed the point...

it did have a buy it now...

ebay dealer style...

lol nice try.

Steve

1952 Topps MANTLE Rookie PSA 3 - POOF!!!!

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