1875-S Twenty Cents with FOUR mint errors

dcarr · November 11, 2008 4:21PM

I thought this was neat so I'll share the pictures

Reverse rotated 45 degrees:

Misplaced date ("7" in denticles below date):

Repunched mint mark S/S:

Die cracks/breaks:

mkman123 · November 11, 2008 4:37PM

wow! Thank you for sharing Dcarr.

Unknown · November 11, 2008 5:13PM

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speety · November 12, 2008 12:14AM

<< My experience says that all 1875-s/s 20 cer varieties have the exact double "s", the exact date in the dentils, the die crack located in the exact location on the reverse but in varying stages and thus the die rotation is the only item in your coin that is different. The s/s variety is a very common variety. Your die crack is also quite advanced or late die state. Great coin and great pics, thanks for sharing. >>

I agree with you, but nice post DCarr and it got me to go back and look at mine again.

No die rotation on mine, but it has the three others.

gecko109 · November 12, 2008 12:20AM

Dcarr might be the only guy I know who considers a die crack an "error".

DorkGirl · November 12, 2008 12:40AM

Thanks for sharing.

Mesquite · November 12, 2008 1:46AM

Daniel,

Is there also evidence for a die clash on the obverse field? Or, am I'm just seeing things?

dcarr · November 12, 2008 1:48AM

<< Dcarr might be the only guy I know who considers a die crack an "error". >>

Yep, if it is an unintentional flaw in the coin as minted, then it is an "error".
The key desriptor here is "unintentional".

commoncents05 · November 12, 2008 1:52AM

The only error on that coin is the rotated reverse. The others are all varieties. Neat coin though.

-Paul

nycounsel · November 12, 2008 2:01AM

thanks for sharing! looking forward to seeing more of your coin designs.

dcarr · November 12, 2008 2:11AM

<< My experience says that all 1875-s/s 20 cer varieties have the exact double "s", the exact date in the dentils, the die crack located in the exact location on the reverse but in varying stages and thus the die rotation is the only item in your coin that is different. The s/s variety is a very common variety. Your die crack is also quite advanced or late die state. Great coin and great pics, thanks for sharing. >>

Yes, I would agree with that. The rotated die is what really makes this one unusual. I don't know of any other rotated-die 20-cent pieces.

dcarr · November 12, 2008 2:15AM

<< The only error on that coin is the rotated reverse. The others are all varieties. Neat coin though.

-Paul >>

It could be argued that the S/S was repunched intentionally and thus, is a "variety" and not an "error".
The blundered date could be considered an error, but it's all academic.

dcarr · November 12, 2008 2:16AM

<< Daniel,

Is there also evidence for a die clash on the obverse field? Or, am I'm just seeing things?

>>

I just took a close look at the coin and I don't see any evidence of clashing.

clarkbar04 · November 12, 2008 2:24AM

That looks big enough to be called a die break, so I'd call it an error.

The bottom loop of that S is all but gone.

NHSBaseball · November 12, 2008 2:28AM

The coin itself looks to be very nice and to have really nice color. Nice photo as well.

commoncents05 · November 12, 2008 2:33AM

It could be argued that the S/S was repunched intentionally and thus, is a "variety" and not an "error".
The blundered date could be considered an error, but it's all academic.

Intention doesn't make the difference between an error and a variety. A variety is a difference in the die itself. Die cracks, RPMs, RPD, etc are all varieties. Errors are practically unique and result from something going wrong in the minting process. BTW, the 7 in the denitcles is a Mis-Placed Date, not a blundered date.

-Paul

astrorat · November 12, 2008 2:39AM

<< My experience says that all 1875-s/s 20 cer varieties have the exact double "s", the exact date in the dentils, the die crack located in the exact location on the reverse but in varying stages and thus the die rotation is the only item in your coin that is different. The s/s variety is a very common variety. Your die crack is also quite advanced or late die state. Great coin and great pics, thanks for sharing. >>

There are actually is at least one additional RPM that is not the "famous" S/S mintmark (known as the "$" mintmark). All the "$" mintmarked coins have the same MPD (misplaced date) in the denticles and a small fraction have the rotated reverse. Some pieces are from the pristine die state and others have more advanced cracks so the one that is presented is more a mid to late die state.

Nice coin, however.

Lane