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1875-S Twenty Cents with FOUR mint errors

dcarrdcarr Posts: 9,019 ✭✭✭✭✭
I thought this was neat so I'll share the pictures
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Reverse rotated 45 degrees:
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Misplaced date ("7" in denticles below date):
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Repunched mint mark S/S:
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Die cracks/breaks:
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  • mkman123mkman123 Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭✭
    wow! Thank you for sharing Dcarr.
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  • << <i>My experience says that all 1875-s/s 20 cer varieties have the exact double "s", the exact date in the dentils, the die crack located in the exact location on the reverse but in varying stages and thus the die rotation is the only item in your coin that is different. The s/s variety is a very common variety. Your die crack is also quite advanced or late die state. Great coin and great pics, thanks for sharing. >>



    I agree with you, but nice post DCarr and it got me to go back and look at mine again. image No die rotation on mine, but it has the three others.
    Want to buy an auction catalog for the William Hesslein Sale (December 2, 1926). Thanks to all those who have helped us obtain the others!!!

  • Dcarr might be the only guy I know who considers a die crack an "error".
  • DorkGirlDorkGirl Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭
    image Thanks for sharing.
    Becky
  • MesquiteMesquite Posts: 4,075 ✭✭✭
    Daniel,

    Is there also evidence for a die clash on the obverse field? Or, am I'm just seeing things?

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  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 9,019 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Dcarr might be the only guy I know who considers a die crack an "error". >>



    Yep, if it is an unintentional flaw in the coin as minted, then it is an "error".
    The key desriptor here is "unintentional".
  • commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,096 ✭✭✭
    The only error on that coin is the rotated reverse. The others are all varieties. Neat coin though.

    -Paul
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  • nycounselnycounsel Posts: 1,229 ✭✭
    image
    thanks for sharing! looking forward to seeing more of your coin designs.
    Dan
  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 9,019 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>My experience says that all 1875-s/s 20 cer varieties have the exact double "s", the exact date in the dentils, the die crack located in the exact location on the reverse but in varying stages and thus the die rotation is the only item in your coin that is different. The s/s variety is a very common variety. Your die crack is also quite advanced or late die state. Great coin and great pics, thanks for sharing. >>



    Yes, I would agree with that. The rotated die is what really makes this one unusual. I don't know of any other rotated-die 20-cent pieces.
  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 9,019 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The only error on that coin is the rotated reverse. The others are all varieties. Neat coin though.

    -Paul >>



    It could be argued that the S/S was repunched intentionally and thus, is a "variety" and not an "error".
    The blundered date could be considered an error, but it's all academic.
  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 9,019 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Daniel,

    Is there also evidence for a die clash on the obverse field? Or, am I'm just seeing things?

    >>



    I just took a close look at the coin and I don't see any evidence of clashing.
  • clarkbar04clarkbar04 Posts: 4,976 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That looks big enough to be called a die break, so I'd call it an error.

    The bottom loop of that S is all but gone.
    MS66 taste on an MS63 budget.
  • The coin itself looks to be very nice and to have really nice color. Nice photo as well.
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  • commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,096 ✭✭✭
    It could be argued that the S/S was repunched intentionally and thus, is a "variety" and not an "error".
    The blundered date could be considered an error, but it's all academic.


    Intention doesn't make the difference between an error and a variety. A variety is a difference in the die itself. Die cracks, RPMs, RPD, etc are all varieties. Errors are practically unique and result from something going wrong in the minting process. BTW, the 7 in the denitcles is a Mis-Placed Date, not a blundered date.

    -Paul
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  • astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>My experience says that all 1875-s/s 20 cer varieties have the exact double "s", the exact date in the dentils, the die crack located in the exact location on the reverse but in varying stages and thus the die rotation is the only item in your coin that is different. The s/s variety is a very common variety. Your die crack is also quite advanced or late die state. Great coin and great pics, thanks for sharing. >>



    There are actually is at least one additional RPM that is not the "famous" S/S mintmark (known as the "$" mintmark). All the "$" mintmarked coins have the same MPD (misplaced date) in the denticles and a small fraction have the rotated reverse. Some pieces are from the pristine die state and others have more advanced cracks so the one that is presented is more a mid to late die state.

    Nice coin, however.

    Lane
    Numismatist Ordinaire
    See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
  • sTONERsTONER Posts: 1,904 ✭✭✭
    hey guys , how much value does the rotated reverse add?? and is it actually called a mint error ?? thanx guys
    toner loner
  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,726 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>hey guys , how much value does the rotated reverse add?? >>




    The OP will let you know in about five days and three hours. image


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  • fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭
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    Thanks for sharing.

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  • Dennis88Dennis88 Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭
    Very cool picsimage

    I really like the color on that coinimage

    Dennis
  • shirohniichanshirohniichan Posts: 4,992 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>hey guys , how much value does the rotated reverse add?? >>




    The OP will let you know in about five days and three hours. image


    Sean Reynolds >>



    It's been over 5 days now.
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  • HTubbsHTubbs Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭
    Cool error, too bad it wasn't double struck too!
  • Shucks, I was expecting a double struck, brockage, clipped planchet, struck on dime planchet twenty center. image

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