Isn't this one actually graded Specimen 69 (SP69)?
I used to be somebody, now I'm just a coin collector. Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.
<< <i>Isn't this one actually graded Specimen 69 (SP69)? >>
No and from coin facts,
PCGS MS-69 Brown (illustrated above). Ex - Ernest Henderson, 1958 - Dorothy Paschal, 1959 - Dr. William H. Sheldon, April 19, 1972 - R.E. Naftzger, Jr., February 23, 1992 - Eric Streiner - Jay Parrino (The Mint) - Superior Stamp & Coin's "ANA 2000 National Money Show" Sale, March 2-3, 2000, Lot 67, "PCGS MS-69 Brown", unsold - Superior Galleries "The ANA 2001 National Money Show Auction", March 8-9, 2001, Lot 12 at $172,500.00, "PCGS MS-69 Brown". This coin is the plate coin for the variety in William Noyes' "United States Large Cents 1793-1814". This is the finest example of the variety and the only Large Cent of any date that has ever earned a grade of MS-69, in any color!
<< <i>There are also a few MS68RB early cents (pre-1800). I've seen images of these super cents and they are incredible. >>
Maybe NGC but PCGS shows no pre-1800 68RBs in the census. >>
There is the famous 68RD Wreath Cent, but not a single 68RB early copper of any date. >>
Okay, perhaps I embellished things. Let's try again...
There are a few super high grade early cents one of which is labeled RD although it appears from images to be RB. There is an image of a group of these that I know many of the board members have seen but I do not have it. I had hoped somebody could provide it here.
I think the group picture was taken by Jay Parrino back in the mid 1990s when he specialized in "finest known" examples....He owned (or owns) a company called "The Mint" and was last located in Kansas City.....boy did he have a rather interesting inventory at one time.
I know that many on these boards remember him from the 1933 $20 Saint deal that turned ugly around 1998 that involved a dealer from London....Fenton was his name if I rememer correctly...............
Hope somebody doesn't hijack the picture and list them on eBay as a group.......
"I don't know coins, but my grandfather left these to me in his will and a friend said they might be worth a little bit....." "Wire transfer only"
I used to be somebody, now I'm just a coin collector. Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.
I notice all the certification numbers are very close to one another, but that there are a couple of gaps. I want to see the rest of that submission!!!
<< <i>I notice all the certification numbers are very close to one another, but that there are a couple of gaps. I want to see the rest of that submission!!! >>
Yes, I still have one of Jay's 'catalogs' that used to come as full color glossy multipage inserts in CoinWorld, that had these cents listed in it. I wonder if they still reside in OGH's, or if someone has cracked them out by now to try and get upgrades
If that coin does not have a sticker, Longacre will eat his hat.
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<< <i>If that coin does not have a sticker, Longacre will eat his hat. >>
I was the underbidder on that coin at Salt Lake City. Although it is a great piece, I would eat *my* hat if it would grade MS69 upon crackout and resubmission.
291fifth, all those 1793s in the photo were Ted Naftzger's coins. He sold off the vast majority of his Early Date Large Cents in 1990-91 to Eric Streiner. Jay Parrino then got "1st shot" at all of these coins and he bought a bunch of them, got them slabbed, and started advertising them for sale in 1991. The "remnants" of Natzger's Early Dates were recently discovered in one of his desk drawers and consigned to the Goldbergs who sold them at auction this past September.
I remember looking at all of these astounding Early Dates at my first EAC Convention in 1993--Parrino was there with two full cases filled with these incredible coins.
TomT-1794
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Here is a page from Jay Parrino's The Mint advert he sent out quite a few years ago. Notice the 1793 Liberty Cap AU55, which sold this past February in Walter's sale for $632,500.
The coins in that photo are really really amazing and to realize such a great group of coins has been preserved for 200+ years really is a wonderment to me.
IrishMike, I don't own any of the 1793s in the photo---I concentrated on the 1794 Large Cents and was able to buy several beauties, all ex. Naftzger, from 1993 to around 2002. After that, prices just got way out of hand.
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That's a great coin but I didn't think PCGS graded brown copper above 66. >>
that is where the lack of consistancy is laughable. They "needed" to grade it 69, otherwise it would end up in NGC's pop reports. Both services are willing to throw their standards out the window, as well as blatant net grading on the early stuff, to keep it in their own pop reports.
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<< <i>There are also a few MS68RB early cents (pre-1800). I've seen images of these super cents and they are incredible. >>
A few?
<< <i>There are also a few MS68RB early cents (pre-1800). I've seen images of these super cents and they are incredible. >>
Maybe NGC but PCGS shows no pre-1800 68RBs in the census.
Who is John Galt?
How does a copper coin stay that nice after 215 years???
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Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.
<< <i>Isn't this one actually graded Specimen 69 (SP69)? >>
No and from coin facts,
PCGS MS-69 Brown (illustrated above). Ex - Ernest Henderson, 1958 - Dorothy Paschal, 1959 - Dr. William H. Sheldon, April 19, 1972 - R.E. Naftzger, Jr., February 23, 1992 - Eric Streiner - Jay Parrino (The Mint) - Superior Stamp & Coin's "ANA 2000 National Money Show" Sale, March 2-3, 2000, Lot 67, "PCGS MS-69 Brown", unsold - Superior Galleries "The ANA 2001 National Money Show Auction", March 8-9, 2001, Lot 12 at $172,500.00, "PCGS MS-69 Brown". This coin is the plate coin for the variety in William Noyes' "United States Large Cents 1793-1814". This is the finest example of the variety and the only Large Cent of any date that has ever earned a grade of MS-69, in any color!
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<< <i>There are also a few MS68RB early cents (pre-1800). I've seen images of these super cents and they are incredible. >>
Maybe NGC but PCGS shows no pre-1800 68RBs in the census. >>
There is the famous 68RD Wreath Cent, but not a single 68RB early copper of any date.
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<< <i>There are also a few MS68RB early cents (pre-1800). I've seen images of these super cents and they are incredible. >>
Maybe NGC but PCGS shows no pre-1800 68RBs in the census. >>
There is the famous 68RD Wreath Cent, but not a single 68RB early copper of any date. >>
Okay, perhaps I embellished things. Let's try again...
There are a few super high grade early cents one of which is labeled RD although it appears from images to be RB. There is an image of a group of these that I know many of the board members have seen but I do not have it. I had hoped somebody could provide it here.
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Must be a modern...
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Wow!
Nice montage of high grades ones as well! Wow!
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<< <i>This is the famous photo:
I know that many on these boards remember him from the 1933 $20 Saint deal that turned ugly around 1998 that involved a dealer from London....Fenton was his name if I rememer correctly...............
"I don't know coins, but my grandfather left these to me in his will and a friend said they might be worth a little bit....." "Wire transfer only"
Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.
Michael Kittle Rare Coins --- 1908-S Indian Head Cent Grading Set --- No. 1 1909 Mint Set --- Kittlecoins on Facebook --- Long Beach Table 448
<< <i>This is the famous photo:
Thank you. That is the image I was thinking of.
<< <i>I notice all the certification numbers are very close to one another, but that there are a couple of gaps. I want to see the rest of that submission!!!
I never noticed that, and I agree with you!
<< <i>Where have I been, never knew this one existed till I stumbled across it today. Wonder who the lucky owner is?
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That's a great coin but I didn't think PCGS graded brown copper above 66.
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Box of 20
SeaEagleCoins: 11/14/54-4/5/12. Miss you Larry!
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Didn't wanna get me no trade
Never want to be like papa
Working for the boss every night and day
--"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)
<< <i>If that coin does not have a sticker, Longacre will eat his hat. >>
Why would this coin ever need a sticker?
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<< <i>If that coin does not have a sticker, Longacre will eat his hat. >>
I was the underbidder on that coin at Salt Lake City. Although it is a great piece, I would eat *my* hat if it would grade MS69 upon crackout and resubmission.
I remember looking at all of these astounding Early Dates at my first EAC Convention in 1993--Parrino was there with two full cases filled with these incredible coins.
Check out some of my 1794 Large Cents on www.coingallery.org
<< <i>This is the famous photo:
I guess it pays to "save your pennies"...
I knew it would happen.
Who is John Galt?
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<< <i>Where have I been, never knew this one existed till I stumbled across it today. Wonder who the lucky owner is?
coinfacts >>
That's a great coin but I didn't think PCGS graded brown copper above 66. >>
that is where the lack of consistancy is laughable. They "needed" to grade it 69, otherwise it would end up in NGC's pop reports. Both services are willing to throw their standards out the window, as well as blatant net grading on the early stuff, to keep it in their own pop reports.
Well....PhotoShop can really be fun!