1793 Large Cent MS69

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IrishMike
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Where have I been, never knew this one existed till I stumbled across it today. Wonder who the lucky owner is?

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  • RYK
    RYK Posts: 35,801 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I am pretty sure that I have met him and that he is a lurker here. He has some other real showstoppers (if I am correct about who owns it).
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  • Shamika
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    There are also a few MS68RB early cents (pre-1800). I've seen images of these super cents and they are incredible.


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  • ColonialCoinUnion
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    << <i>There are also a few MS68RB early cents (pre-1800). I've seen images of these super cents and they are incredible. >>



    A few?
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  • Johnp
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    Wow I have never seen any one as pretty as that one very nice
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  • SmallEagle
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    << <i>There are also a few MS68RB early cents (pre-1800). I've seen images of these super cents and they are incredible. >>



    Maybe NGC but PCGS shows no pre-1800 68RBs in the census.

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  • PCcoins
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    The color on that coin looks a little off. But I'm sure its just the photography.

    How does a copper coin stay that nice after 215 years???
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  • robec
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    NGC shows 1 Chain Cent S-4 in 67, nothing higher and 1 1794 Liberty Cap Cent, Head of '94, in 67 with nothing higher.

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  • UtahCoin
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    Isn't this one actually graded Specimen 69 (SP69)?
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  • IrishMike
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    << <i>Isn't this one actually graded Specimen 69 (SP69)? >>



    No and from coin facts,

    PCGS MS-69 Brown (illustrated above). Ex - Ernest Henderson, 1958 - Dorothy Paschal, 1959 - Dr. William H. Sheldon, April 19, 1972 - R.E. Naftzger, Jr., February 23, 1992 - Eric Streiner - Jay Parrino (The Mint) - Superior Stamp & Coin's "ANA 2000 National Money Show" Sale, March 2-3, 2000, Lot 67, "PCGS MS-69 Brown", unsold - Superior Galleries "The ANA 2001 National Money Show Auction", March 8-9, 2001, Lot 12 at $172,500.00, "PCGS MS-69 Brown". This coin is the plate coin for the variety in William Noyes' "United States Large Cents 1793-1814". This is the finest example of the variety and the only Large Cent of any date that has ever earned a grade of MS-69, in any color!
  • ColonialCoinUnion
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    << <i>

    << <i>There are also a few MS68RB early cents (pre-1800). I've seen images of these super cents and they are incredible. >>



    Maybe NGC but PCGS shows no pre-1800 68RBs in the census. >>



    There is the famous 68RD Wreath Cent, but not a single 68RB early copper of any date.
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  • Shamika
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    << <i>

    << <i>There are also a few MS68RB early cents (pre-1800). I've seen images of these super cents and they are incredible. >>



    Maybe NGC but PCGS shows no pre-1800 68RBs in the census. >>



    There is the famous 68RD Wreath Cent, but not a single 68RB early copper of any date. >>




    Okay, perhaps I embellished things. Let's try again...

    There are a few super high grade early cents one of which is labeled RD although it appears from images to be RB. There is an image of a group of these that I know many of the board members have seen but I do not have it. I had hoped somebody could provide it here.





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  • rainbowroosie
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    I've held that coin -- simply awesome -- one of the greatest coins in the world. image
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  • joecopper
    joecopper Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭
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    Wow, a nice copper
  • AnkurJ
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    Its so nice it looks fake!
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  • OneCent
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    MS69???

    Must be a modern...image
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  • ziggy29
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    It's interesting how much of a boost this coin gets from its age. For most copper, it's basically impossible to be a 69 without blazing full mint red.
  • ColonialCoinUnion
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    This is the famous photo:

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  • illini420
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    I could get some on eBay that look just like that, maybe even better... big deal! image

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  • Bochiman
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    Screw the $20 saints.......THAT is a coin!!!!!
    Wow!

    Nice montage of high grades ones as well! Wow!

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  • poorguy
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    << <i>This is the famous photo:

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  • skeeterhawk
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    I think the group picture was taken by Jay Parrino back in the mid 1990s when he specialized in "finest known" examples....He owned (or owns) a company called "The Mint" and was last located in Kansas City.....boy did he have a rather interesting inventory at one time.

    I know that many on these boards remember him from the 1933 $20 Saint deal that turned ugly around 1998 that involved a dealer from London....Fenton was his name if I rememer correctly...............
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  • UtahCoin
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    Hope somebody doesn't hijack the picture and list them on eBay as a group.......image

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  • illini420
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    I notice all the certification numbers are very close to one another, but that there are a couple of gaps. I want to see the rest of that submission!!! image

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  • Shamika
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    << <i>This is the famous photo:

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    Thank you. That is the image I was thinking of.






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  • LeeG
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    What an amazing group of early copper!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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  • IrishMike
    IrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
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    Shamika I am glad you remembered that photo and it got posted, just what I needed today. Parrino has led an interesting numismatic life.
  • lasvegasteddy
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    incredible to see those 1790's "SP"' and 3 of them to boot...amazing



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  • ColonialCoinUnion
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    << <i>I notice all the certification numbers are very close to one another, but that there are a couple of gaps. I want to see the rest of that submission!!! image >>



    I never noticed that, and I agree with you!
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  • Steve27
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    << <i>Where have I been, never knew this one existed till I stumbled across it today. Wonder who the lucky owner is?

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    That's a great coin but I didn't think PCGS graded brown copper above 66.
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  • Walkerguy21D
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    Yes, I still have one of Jay's 'catalogs' that used to come as full color glossy multipage inserts in CoinWorld, that had these cents listed in it. I wonder if they still reside in OGH's, or if someone has cracked them out by now to try and get upgrades image
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  • AnkurJ
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    Damn nice!
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  • eyoung429
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    Excuse me while I go and change...........
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  • Longacre
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    If that coin does not have a sticker, Longacre will eat his hat.
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  • PerryHall
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    << <i>If that coin does not have a sticker, Longacre will eat his hat. >>



    Why would this coin ever need a sticker?

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  • Whitby
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    OMFG what lovely coins!
  • tradedollarnut
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    << <i>If that coin does not have a sticker, Longacre will eat his hat. >>



    I was the underbidder on that coin at Salt Lake City. Although it is a great piece, I would eat *my* hat if it would grade MS69 upon crackout and resubmission.
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  • 291fifth
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    Any idea who the original (1793) owner was? How did they manage to survive for so long without being "messed with?"
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  • rgCoinGuy
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    Wow, I thought when I opened this thread it was going to be a joke about an ebay listing. Amazing coins.
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  • BigMoose
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    291fifth, all those 1793s in the photo were Ted Naftzger's coins. He sold off the vast majority of his Early Date Large Cents in 1990-91 to Eric Streiner. Jay Parrino then got "1st shot" at all of these coins and he bought a bunch of them, got them slabbed, and started advertising them for sale in 1991. The "remnants" of Natzger's Early Dates were recently discovered in one of his desk drawers and consigned to the Goldbergs who sold them at auction this past September.

    I remember looking at all of these astounding Early Dates at my first EAC Convention in 1993--Parrino was there with two full cases filled with these incredible coins.
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  • IrishMike
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    Tom, do you own any of these and btw nice to see you posting.
  • nycounsel
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    No First Strike label on that, I don't see what the fuss is about.
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  • rays
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    Here is a page from Jay Parrino's The Mint advert he sent out quite a few years ago. Notice the 1793 Liberty Cap AU55, which sold this past February in Walter's sale for $632,500.
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  • CoinJunkie
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    << <i>This is the famous photo:

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  • jmski52
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    So much for thinking that I could ever have a nice Large Cent collection after seeing all of these great coins. Well, back to Moderns, I guess.image
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  • SmallEagle
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    That group photo is the coolest coin photo I've seen. Thanks!

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  • ElKevvo
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    The coins in that photo are really really amazing and to realize such a great group of coins has been preserved for 200+ years really is a wonderment to me.

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  • BigMoose
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    IrishMike, I don't own any of the 1793s in the photo---I concentrated on the 1794 Large Cents and was able to buy several beauties, all ex. Naftzger, from 1993 to around 2002. After that, prices just got way out of hand.
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  • Doogy
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    << <i>Where have I been, never knew this one existed till I stumbled across it today. Wonder who the lucky owner is?

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    That's a great coin but I didn't think PCGS graded brown copper above 66. >>




    that is where the lack of consistancy is laughable. They "needed" to grade it 69, otherwise it would end up in NGC's pop reports. Both services are willing to throw their standards out the window, as well as blatant net grading on the early stuff, to keep it in their own pop reports.
  • supergem
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    This one is still in the same holder, thank you! image

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  • Prethen
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    You gotta doubt if it would ever be a 69 again (if broken out).

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