It looks like an "AU" coin to me, so I would pay "AU" prices.
It is interesting to note that there is no numeric grade on this slab. I suspect that is because a numeric grade often implies a spot in a price grid. They don't want to do that with this coin. It is special.
I'd put very little premium on it as a coin. "On the other hand side," if I collected space exploration memorabilia, then I'd have an answer for you from that "standpoint of view." (It's not often I get to use two of my favorite German-English idioms in one sentence.)
I also don't like that the prongs severely encroach on the coin in the holder.
In my opinion this is much different than an ordinary space-flown coin. This is not a simple shuttle-flown piece, but a piece flown during the capsule era and witness to one of America's early triumphs in the space race, and pedigreed to one of NASA's most well known astronauts.
<< <i>In my opinion this is much different than an ordinary space-flown coin. This is not a simple shuttle-flown piece, but a piece flown during the capsule era and witness to one of America's early triumphs in the space race and, and pedigreed to one of NASA's most well known astronauts.
It also appears to be roughly MS64. >>
OK, I take back my comments, it is probably worth a bit more to the folks that were alive and remember this historic time.
The value depends on the collector's interests. To a Numismatist it's probably valued with a similar premium for any pedigreed coin. How much would the name "Ford" add? For a numismatist probably not much.
For a spacenerd (astronatisist?), any bit of flown debris is worth a high premium.
I would bet that it would sell for 10X book value....
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Having only made it only into orbit, not Moon Money.
For those that are collectors of space exploration memrobilia it may well command that price, it may be the oldest or one of the oldest man made objects sent into space and returned to on terra firma. That and being a relic of the early Gemini program would likely be desireable.
I don't believe for the average collector of coins would be as willing to pay as high a premium as the average se collectors.
No premium whatsoever! I have some premium ocean beach front property locatred in Arizona if interested-heck I'll even get it encapsulated and attributed if needed prior to completing the sale
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To be honest, I'm a big sucker for things like this. I simply love coins with history to it... I would love to own this, but at the current $2K, it isn't within the budget of a high school student
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He collects coins but also collects space memorabilia. He could give you an opinion that would be very interesting given his two area of collecting interest.
As a collector of both historical artifacts and coins, I would pay a premium for that coin if I could afford it...
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If it isn't easily identifiable, then I wouldn't add any/much extra value to it. If, for some reason, that slab were cracked (say, stolen, dropped, etc), then the coin has no extra value.
My son has some wheaties that a forum member put up into a shuttle run I believe. I think it is cool and something he can do at show & tell at school if he wants. However, for extra value? None.
Reminds me of my younger cousin. When we were kids growing up in Brooklyn he had a nasty habit of swallowing coins. Mostly cents and nickels. His parents had to ... well... sift through some "stuff" till they found the "offensive" coin. That or it was a trip to the hospital for an X-Ray. Well his parents used to put the aforementioned "offensive" coins in a jar to show him what he did from time to time and I have to say that there were some wildly toned coins in that there jar (I think it was a mayonnaise jar...)
To make this long story short, I would pay the same premium for my cousins old "offensive" coins as I would for a coin flown in space
<< <i>Reminds me of my younger cousin. When we were kids growing up in Brooklyn he had a nasty habit of swallowing coins. Mostly cents and nickels. His parents had to ... well... sift through some "stuff" till they found the "offensive" coin. That or it was a trip to the hospital for an X-Ray. Well his parents used to put the aforementioned "offensive" coins in a jar to show him what he did from time to time and I have to say that there were some wildly toned coins in that there jar (I think it was a mayonnaise jar...)
To make this long story short, I would pay the same premium for my cousins old "offensive" coins as I would for a coin flown in spaceJRocco >>
Hey Rocky............ If your cousin is still around, force feed him a bunch of pocket change and when they come out get em toned up good then list them on Ebay. Make some good money off the Toning Nuts.
How many of you here were actually old enough to watch this mission? I know I watched it, and it does lead credence to historical value- odds are pretty damn close that it will never be in a Saturn V rocket again.
comparing it to shipwrecked gold- pure stupidity, if you buy the stuff that came off the ocean floor and paid moon money for it- well don't knock something that won't happen again in history. Ships wreck all the time, some may have gold in them when they wreck- but the overall odds of a defunct and de commisioned Saturn V rocket to go back up and orbit the earth again are probably in the millions :1 ratio. I believe the current rockets are the Titan missile systems, and these are getting old as well.
<< <i>How many of you here were actually old enough to watch this mission? I know I watched it, and it does lead credence to historical value- odds are pretty damn close that it will never be in a Saturn V rocket again.
comparing it to shipwrecked gold- pure stupidity, if you buy the stuff that came off the ocean floor and paid moon money for it- well don't knock something that won't happen again in history. Ships wreck all the time, some may have gold in them when they wreck- but the overall odds of a defunct and de commisioned Saturn V rocket to go back up and orbit the earth again are probably in the millions :1 ratio. I believe the current rockets are the Titan missile systems, and these are getting old as well.
History- yep should be in the Smithsonian. >>
Gemini 4 was flown with a Titan II rocket, not a Saturn V.
The odds of a Titan II ever being brought back into commission for space flight are even smaller.
<< <i>How many of you here were actually old enough to watch this mission? I know I watched it, and it does lead credence to historical value- odds are pretty damn close that it will never be in a Saturn V rocket again.
comparing it to shipwrecked gold- pure stupidity, if you buy the stuff that came off the ocean floor and paid moon money for it- well don't knock something that won't happen again in history. Ships wreck all the time, some may have gold in them when they wreck- but the overall odds of a defunct and de commisioned Saturn V rocket to go back up and orbit the earth again are probably in the millions :1 ratio. I believe the current rockets are the Titan missile systems, and these are getting old as well.
History- yep should be in the Smithsonian. >>
Gemini 4 was flown with a Titan II rocket, not a Saturn V.
The odds of a Titan II evbeing brought abck into commission for space flight are even smaller. >>
Mission statistics Mission name Gemini 4 Spacecraft name Gemini 4 Spacecraft mass 3,574 kilograms (7,880 lb) Crew size 2 Call sign Gemini 4 Booster Titan II #62-12559 Launch pad LC-19 (CCAF) Launch date June 3, 1965 15:15:59 UTC Spacewalk begin June 3, 1965 Open hatch: 19:34 UTC Start: 19:46 UTC Spacewalk end June 3, 1965 End: 20:06 UTC Close hatch: 20:10 UTC Landing June 7, 1965 17:12:11 UTC 27‹44ŒN, 74‹11ŒW Mission duration 4d/01:56:12 Number of orbits 62 Apogee 282.1 kilometres (152.3 nmi) Perigee 162.3 kilometres (87.6 nmi) Orbital period 88.94 min Orbital inclination 32.53‹ Distance traveled 2,782,486 kilometres (1,728,957 mi)
I apologize it was the Titan II system-which is now obsolete. I have it from a very reliable authoritative figure (wife worked for M/M for 10yrs (79-89) and you can guess that her clearance is bettern smoe of you knuckleheads. Think black hole.
It depends on "the rest of the story". If I learned that this was McDivitt's grandfather's coin, passed down to McDivitt, and that it was flown as his "lucky coin", then it's a national treasure. On the other hand, if McDivitt filled his pockets with coins owned by the local coin dealer, in hopes of selling them to idiots for big profits, the coin becomes another piece of commercial crap.
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<< <i>Reminds me of my younger cousin. When we were kids growing up in Brooklyn he had a nasty habit of swallowing coins. Mostly cents and nickels. His parents had to ... well... sift through some "stuff" till they found the "offensive" coin. That or it was a trip to the hospital for an X-Ray. Well his parents used to put the aforementioned "offensive" coins in a jar to show him what he did from time to time and I have to say that there were some wildly toned coins in that there jar (I think it was a mayonnaise jar...)
To make this long story short, I would pay the same premium for my cousins old "offensive" coins as I would for a coin flown in spaceJRocco >>
Hey Rocky............ If your cousin is still around, force feed him a bunch of pocket change and when they come out get em toned up good then list them on Ebay. Make some good money off the Toning Nuts.
Ray >>
I cannot help thinking of my favorite cartoon (Bullwinkle) when I read this, except that instead of Bullwinkle Moose saying- "Hey, Rocky- watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat", I could hear JRocco's cousin saying- "Hey, Rocky- watch me pull a coin....."
Sorry.
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As to the value of the coin, I am sure that there are a lot of space memorabilia enthusiasts who think coin collectors are insane- and who would pay a good price for the coin based on its history. To each his own...
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<< <i>Depends, does it smell like space smoke? >>
If I were seriously considering it, I would look at most recent auction results for an average and I might pay 10% more or so...maybe.
Reminds me of this. Bowie in Space
It looks like an "AU" coin to me, so I would pay "AU" prices.
It is interesting to note that there is no numeric grade on this slab. I suspect that is because a numeric grade often implies a spot in a price grid. They don't want to do that with this coin. It is special.
I also don't like that the prongs severely encroach on the coin in the holder.
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It also appears to be roughly MS64.
That is an ugly holder!
<< <i>In my opinion this is much different than an ordinary space-flown coin. This is not a simple shuttle-flown piece, but a piece flown during the capsule era and witness to one of America's early triumphs in the space race and, and pedigreed to one of NASA's most well known astronauts.
It also appears to be roughly MS64. >>
OK, I take back my comments, it is probably worth a bit more to the folks that were alive and remember this historic time.
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For a spacenerd (astronatisist?), any bit of flown debris is worth a high premium.
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For those that are collectors of space exploration memrobilia it may well command that price, it may be the oldest or one of the oldest man made objects sent into space and returned to on terra firma. That and being a relic of the early Gemini program would likely be desireable.
I don't believe for the average collector of coins would be as willing to pay as high a premium as the average se collectors.
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I would love to own this, but at the current $2K, it isn't within the budget of a high school student
i agree and would think some museum curator would be on this
if not his descendants,friends or relatives
as to how do you value it...sling it in the open promoted...no reserve
<< <i>Moon Money >>
I don't think any comment will beat this one.
He collects coins but also collects space memorabilia. He could give you an opinion that would be very interesting given his two area of collecting interest.
If, for some reason, that slab were cracked (say, stolen, dropped, etc), then the coin has no extra value.
My son has some wheaties that a forum member put up into a shuttle run I believe. I think it is cool and something he can do at show & tell at school if he wants. However, for extra value? None.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
I knew it would happen.
When we were kids growing up in Brooklyn he had a nasty habit of swallowing coins.
Mostly cents and nickels. His parents had to ... well... sift through some "stuff" till they found
the "offensive"
Well his parents used to put the aforementioned "offensive" coins in a jar to show him what he
did from time to time and I have to say that there were some wildly toned coins in that there jar (I think it was a mayonnaise jar...)
To make this long story short, I would pay the same premium for my cousins old "offensive" coins
as I would for a coin flown in space
<< <i>It's pretty cool, but a Saturn V rocket would be cooler.
I suppose I could settle for a Saturn 1B.
<< <i>Reminds me of my younger cousin.
When we were kids growing up in Brooklyn he had a nasty habit of swallowing coins.
Mostly cents and nickels. His parents had to ... well... sift through some "stuff" till they found
the "offensive"
Well his parents used to put the aforementioned "offensive" coins in a jar to show him what he
did from time to time and I have to say that there were some wildly toned coins in that there jar (I think it was a mayonnaise jar...)
To make this long story short, I would pay the same premium for my cousins old "offensive" coins
as I would for a coin flown in space
Hey Rocky............
If your cousin is still around, force feed him a bunch of pocket change and when they come out get em toned up good then list them on Ebay.
Make some good money off the Toning Nuts.
Ray
comparing it to shipwrecked gold- pure stupidity, if you buy the stuff that came off the ocean floor and paid moon money for it- well don't knock something that won't happen again in history. Ships wreck all the time, some may have gold in them when they wreck- but the overall odds of a defunct and de commisioned Saturn V rocket to go back up and orbit the earth again are probably in the millions :1 ratio. I believe the current rockets are the Titan missile systems, and these are getting old as well.
History- yep should be in the Smithsonian.
<< <i>How many of you here were actually old enough to watch this mission? I know I watched it, and it does lead credence to historical value- odds are pretty damn close that it will never be in a Saturn V rocket again.
comparing it to shipwrecked gold- pure stupidity, if you buy the stuff that came off the ocean floor and paid moon money for it- well don't knock something that won't happen again in history. Ships wreck all the time, some may have gold in them when they wreck- but the overall odds of a defunct and de commisioned Saturn V rocket to go back up and orbit the earth again are probably in the millions :1 ratio. I believe the current rockets are the Titan missile systems, and these are getting old as well.
History- yep should be in the Smithsonian. >>
Gemini 4 was flown with a Titan II rocket, not a Saturn V.
The odds of a Titan II ever being brought back into commission for space flight are even smaller.
<< <i>I don't know how much this gold coin will ultimately bring, but this silver dollar got more than melt:
For those of you curious as to how much over melt.
<< <i>
<< <i>How many of you here were actually old enough to watch this mission? I know I watched it, and it does lead credence to historical value- odds are pretty damn close that it will never be in a Saturn V rocket again.
comparing it to shipwrecked gold- pure stupidity, if you buy the stuff that came off the ocean floor and paid moon money for it- well don't knock something that won't happen again in history. Ships wreck all the time, some may have gold in them when they wreck- but the overall odds of a defunct and de commisioned Saturn V rocket to go back up and orbit the earth again are probably in the millions :1 ratio. I believe the current rockets are the Titan missile systems, and these are getting old as well.
History- yep should be in the Smithsonian. >>
Gemini 4 was flown with a Titan II rocket, not a Saturn V.
The odds of a Titan II evbeing brought abck into commission for space flight are even smaller. >>
Mission statistics
Mission name Gemini 4
Spacecraft name Gemini 4
Spacecraft mass 3,574 kilograms (7,880 lb)
Crew size 2
Call sign Gemini 4
Booster Titan II #62-12559
Launch pad LC-19 (CCAF)
Launch date June 3, 1965
15:15:59 UTC
Spacewalk begin June 3, 1965
Open hatch: 19:34 UTC
Start: 19:46 UTC
Spacewalk end June 3, 1965
End: 20:06 UTC
Close hatch: 20:10 UTC
Landing June 7, 1965
17:12:11 UTC
27‹44ŒN, 74‹11ŒW
Mission duration 4d/01:56:12
Number of orbits 62
Apogee 282.1 kilometres (152.3 nmi)
Perigee 162.3 kilometres (87.6 nmi)
Orbital period 88.94 min
Orbital inclination 32.53‹
Distance traveled 2,782,486 kilometres (1,728,957 mi)
I apologize it was the Titan II system-which is now obsolete. I have it from a very reliable authoritative figure (wife worked for M/M for 10yrs (79-89) and you can guess that her clearance is bettern smoe of you knuckleheads. Think black hole.
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<< <i>I'd rather have an astronaut's autograph. >>
Those are much less expensive!
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<< <i>
<< <i>Reminds me of my younger cousin.
When we were kids growing up in Brooklyn he had a nasty habit of swallowing coins.
Mostly cents and nickels. His parents had to ... well... sift through some "stuff" till they found
the "offensive"
Well his parents used to put the aforementioned "offensive" coins in a jar to show him what he
did from time to time and I have to say that there were some wildly toned coins in that there jar (I think it was a mayonnaise jar...)
To make this long story short, I would pay the same premium for my cousins old "offensive" coins
as I would for a coin flown in space
Hey Rocky............
If your cousin is still around, force feed him a bunch of pocket change and when they come out get em toned up good then list them on Ebay.
Make some good money off the Toning Nuts.
Ray >>
I cannot help thinking of my favorite cartoon (Bullwinkle) when I read this, except that instead of Bullwinkle Moose saying- "Hey, Rocky- watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat", I could hear JRocco's cousin saying- "Hey, Rocky- watch me pull a coin....."
Sorry.
-Randy Newman
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