<< <i>it was obvious from the pics only a hanful were uncirculated. this is exactly what i mean about auctions turning into walmart purchases. i would have bid melt but others prefer to take the BIG RISK and then get upset. It was also obvious the seller was a dork from the auction description. >>
fc, If you're always negative about everything occasionally you'll be right. --jerry
<< <i>it was obvious from the pics only a hanful were uncirculated. this is exactly what i mean about auctions turning into walmart purchases. i would have bid melt but others prefer to take the BIG RISK and then get upset. It was also obvious the seller was a dork from the auction description. >>
fc, If you're always negative about everything occasionally you'll be right. --jerry >>
occasionally?
lets break it down.
1. obvious pics of circulated and a few uncirculated roosies bid way past melt.
2. buyer gets disappointed when sees them and asks for return even though he is a forum member here and should know: A. do not trust auction descriptions from dorky sellers. B. ask for help if you cannot judge coins based on lousy pics. C. anything too good to be true ussually is.
3. then comes onto the forum and complains he made a deal with a crazy seller.
most here are too kind to state what i did but hopefully this cheap lesson will sink in and reality will come to the front of the line.
i do not think i was being mean or rude by stating this. it is quite obvious!
edited to add: seatedcollector seems to agree with me. people seem to think ebay sellers of junk coins are experts and know what they are talking about. the seller probably truly believes they are a nice set :-|
In my Ebay transactions, if I think I am going to have trouble with another EBAY member, I always use the EBAY email system to communicate with the other Ebay member. This way, if necessary, the Ebay staff can go back and review our communications.
I do that as well. Although I once submitted the email history showing that a buyer had threatened me with negative feedback (and followed through) even though I offered a full refund including shipping. The buyer had been an Ebayer for a few weeks, and wrote in broken English. After a week or so to review it, Ebay sent me a nice form letter and did nothing about the feedback extortion. But hey, it was a comfort to know that I had the email history.
This is exactly the kind of seller that caused the feedback policy change.
Russ, NCNE >>
Too bad EBAY had to ba$tardize the feedback system and emasculate ALL sellers. They should just throw guys like this off. I cannot understand why this seller is still a registered EBAY member.
Advanced collector of BREWERIANA. Early beer advertising (beer cans, tap knobs, foam scrapers, trays, tin signs, lithos, paper, etc)....My first love...U.S. COINS!
This is exactly the kind of seller that caused the feedback policy change.
Russ, NCNE >>
Too bad EBAY had to ba$tardize the feedback system and emasculate ALL sellers. They should just throw guys like this off. I cannot understand why this seller is still a registered EBAY member. >>
This is exactly the kind of seller that caused the feedback policy change.
Russ, NCNE >>
Too bad EBAY had to ba$tardize the feedback system and emasculate ALL sellers. They should just throw guys like this off. I cannot understand why this seller is still a registered EBAY member. >>
Sorry to read of your trouble with your purchase. Imo, this psycho-act is this guy's business model. He sells crap and when someone dares to be dissatified with said misrepresented crap, he immediately starts the communications with "his customer" as though he is" mad as hell, and he's not going to take it anymore." This tactic probably scares off a good portion of his dissatisfied customers who just accept the loss and move on rather than go through the time and effort needed to come to an accomodation with an alleged unbalanced individual. The lesson for me here is this... just because someone has a feedback score of a thousand-plus, doesn't mean that he/she is not a nutcase/scammer/criminal. This is a good example of how valuable Toolhaus can be. You can learn more about an Ebayer from 10 negative-neutral feedbacks with replies than you can from 500 positive feedbacks.HM
Why do sellers go through all this hassle? He should have just written back and said "Hi, as stated you are welcome to a refund within 7 days."
This whining and "10% restocking fee" crap is just stupid.
I've had one return two years ago, none last year, and one request this year but the buyer changed his mind and wanted to keep the coins. If someone wants a return, just give them a return, THAT'S how you keep a customer.
Seriously... if he had said "honestly, the coins all looked good to me but, my eyes aren't what they used to be and if you're not happy, no problem, just ship them back and I'll promptly refund your money".
If he did that... you would not say "What a scum, I'll never by from him again!"
are you joking ?? ebay allows "problem" sellers to operate because it generates revenue. the powers that be at ebay obviously couldnt give two squirts of uric acid about cleaning up ebay, or they would simply monitor the feedback ratings. if a sellers feedback drops below say 85% it should be flagged for review. that should send a clear message to all members of ebay, i am willing to wager that if the seller should get behind in paying his ebay fees his acct will be flagged,
This seller is obviously way out of line here, but I agree with the the observations that even from the limited imaging, it is clear that most of the coins are not uncirculated. Again, this is a case where you can't tell what the coin WILL grade from an image...but you can certainly tell what it WILL NOT grade from the image. You can tell most WILL NOT grade as uncirculated. That's all you needed to know to stay out of trouble on this one.
Despite that, the auction clearly states a return policy if the buyer "feels the coins are not as described". Since they were described as uncirculated and the buyer feels they are not...that should have been the end of the question. The Sellers conduct in failing to honor his return as stated is inexcusable IMO.
He buys the junk silver by the pound (see feedback as a buyer). He then stuffs them in albums to sell as complete sets, or sells them 25 at a time using alot of hype, as so many of them do. "This should be part of your investment portfolio", "silver is a safe haven for investors in an unstable economy", "there's gonna be a second run-up", "a nice find indeed", "stellar beauty", "I can't find a single flaw", "unflawed", "eye stunner", blah blah freakin' blah. When people call him out on the misrepresentations, he plays the victim & blames the feedback changes. His communications with you confirm what the other buyers said about rude, nasty and arrogant emails.
The original listing looked like a medium sized red flag, and any cursory investigation of the seller would have revealed that it was someone with whom you wouldn't want to do business.
I hope you get your refund, and never bid on junk like this again.
<< <i>from your story the seller sounds like a complete tool, HOWEVER i am wondering why when i look at the pics, i see (for the most part) circulated coins. did the picture not show up for you ? if you could not see the pics did you ask the seller for better pics, did you ask the seller if the coins pictured were the ones you were bidding on ? ? i seriously doubt that the seller knows the difference between unc and cleaned circs. couple this with his story of being screwed before and i see how the whole situation could have been avoided. are you wrong ? is he wrong ? to me it looks like he cant grade coins and you should have looked at the pics. >>
That was my thought as well -- they look like buffed circulated POSs, even in the crappy image. I was surprise that a fairly advanced Roosie collector was not better at reading the image.
if a sellers feedback drops below say 85% it should be flagged for review. that should send a clear message to all members of ebay, i am willing to wager that if the seller should get behind in paying his ebay fees his acct will be flagged
You will find VERY few ebay sellers with FB ratings below 98%. And most of those will be reasonable people who have done relatively few purchases or sales with 1 or 2 negs from a chucklehead like this.
If I had to rate FB for sellers with over 500 transactions this would be my rating system:
100 - good to go most of the time, but check Toolhaus any ways. 99 - delivers >80% of the time 98 - delivers >60% of the time 97 - you got some real problems here bud 96 - considering thievery in coins as a career 95 - professional scammer or thief 90-94 spends some time in a cell 85-89 spends most time in a cell <84 spending all their time in a cell
The fact that this pyscho-seller maintained a 99% rating is more a testament to his threats and persuasive abilities than to his skills as a coin seller.
i must admit, this thread reinforces my prejudice towards ebay buyers in general. if you get your refund great, but if you dont, hopefully this $50 lesson will help you in the future. the seller may be way off base, but the buyer didnt take any precautions to avoid an ugly situation. the blame cant entirely be dumped on a moron seller. with feedback like that i wouldnt bother sending the coins back. i wouldnt have bid on them in the first place. youll likely never get a refund. he will claim that the coins were switched, removed, etc at this point you are out roughly $50 (the difference between what the coins are worth and what you bid for them) anyone with even poor vision can see those coins are overgraded. that is cheap education if you accept it but most likely you wont so the next time you "get burned" the lesson will be much more expensive.
<< <i>The fact that this pyscho-seller maintained a 99% rating is more a testament to his threats and persuasive abilities than to his skills as a coin seller. >>
Bingo! Under the old eBay system a seller could get away with this through retaliation, and maintain a feedback percentage that made him look just as good as sellers who care about customer service.
He bought one of these from aboncom on May 18 for $89.00. I get the feeling it may have something to do with yours, billed as "a very nice find indeed". aboncom sells them as circulated. What happened after he bought it is anyone's guess, but I have some hunches (and the timeline is right).
<< <i>He bought one of these from aboncom on May 18 for $89.00. I get the feeling it may have something to do with yours, billed as "a very nice find indeed". aboncom sells them as circulated. What happened after he bought it is anyone's guess, but I have some hunches (and the timeline is right). >>
Could explain his (misplaced) anger--he knows he got screwed and wants to pass it on. --Jerry
<< <i>The fact that this pyscho-seller maintained a 99% rating is more a testament to his threats and persuasive abilities than to his skills as a coin seller. >>
Bingo! Under the old eBay system a seller could get away with this through retaliation, and maintain a feedback percentage that made him look just as good as sellers who care about customer service.
Russ, NCNE >>
The percentage alone doesn't tell the whole story, even under the new system. His current rating is 99%, including the 30 negs and neutrals he racked up in the last 12 months. In the most recent month, he's at 97%, and that will rise to 98% when Ebay removes the neutrals from the calculation as they plan to do. You still have to drill down into a seller's feedback, and when you do you see that this guy is obviously trouble. Toolhaus is really useful for this as some here have pointed out.
100 - good to go most of the time, but check Toolhaus any ways. 99 - delivers >80% of the time 98 - delivers >60% of the time 97 - you got some real problems here bud 96 - considering thievery in coins as a career 95 - professional scammer or thief 90-94 spends some time in a cell 85-89 spends most time in a cell <84 spending all their time in a cell
Using my system, you got johno1733 nailed right off the bat. 97or 98% is borderline problem seller. But I may have to update it some for the new ebay changes. At least toolhaus will still be factoring in the neutrals which is critical imo.
<< <i>Could the crease in the Folder not help identify, at least, the source of the Holder(yep, watch a lot of CSI...)? Respectfully, John Curlis >>
CSI and other cop shows? Have you noticed how many cops get shot up on those shows and die? Just where the heck were their bullet-proof vests during the raids and stakeouts? In their lockers? Every so often, I'll need to remind the wife that those cop shows are a big joke when compared to real life. The reason why I laughed at your comment, exactly the way you meant it.
this comment said it best... I hope you get your refund, and never bid on junk like this again.
If coming from the seller...........
If dark shades of color indicate lustrous uncirculated coins, there aren't many there to see. But that doesn't neccessarily mean a coin cannot be uncirculated. Subdue luster can ruin a coin if left in an album too long or it may tone up a bit to hide the luster as well. I had a similar incident occur to me 6-7 years back and it took 4 years to get my refund. In this instant, the discription said that the set had many FS nickels. Luckily, I bought from a coin club in the Beverly Hills of Cal. And the seller was the club's president. And for the last 3 1/2 years of that ebay transaction, I'd send them an email detailing the ebay auction and every email that transended between us every few months. Either the club voted in some respectable leadership or the mention of making them a subject of discussion on two major coin forums may have changed their minds about returning my $220 refund. Noting that this seller doesn't appear too worried about receiving negative feedback and the 21 auctions ending in the next 5 days......
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
You will WIN,,,,,,SELLER will LOOSE> Bin there,Done Dat.
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly."
<< <i>He buys the junk silver by the pound (see feedback as a buyer). He then stuffs them in albums to sell as complete sets, or sells them 25 at a time using alot of hype, as so many of them do. "This should be part of your investment portfolio", "silver is a safe haven for investors in an unstable economy", "there's gonna be a second run-up", "a nice find indeed", "stellar beauty", "I can't find a single flaw", "unflawed", "eye stunner", blah blah freakin' blah. When people call him out on the misrepresentations, he plays the victim & blames the feedback changes. His communications with you confirm what the other buyers said about rude, nasty and arrogant emails. >>
On further inspection, he's taking a beating.
Paid $19.50 for a silver dollar he then sold for $15.50; pays 11-12X face for silver dimes he's averaging 10X face when selling. Dude is a true maroon, or he's purely mad at his money.
All I can say is that there is one PISSED OFF village out there somewhere
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<< <i>it was obvious from the pics only a hanful were uncirculated. this is exactly what i mean about auctions turning into walmart purchases. i would have bid melt but others prefer to take the BIG RISK and then get upset. It was also obvious the seller was a dork from the auction description. >>
fc, If you're always negative about everything occasionally you'll be right. --jerry
The new feedback will see his rating drop.
<< <i>
<< <i>it was obvious from the pics only a hanful were uncirculated. this is exactly what i mean about auctions turning into walmart purchases. i would have bid melt but others prefer to take the BIG RISK and then get upset. It was also obvious the seller was a dork from the auction description. >>
fc, If you're always negative about everything occasionally you'll be right. --jerry >>
occasionally?
lets break it down.
1. obvious pics of circulated and a few uncirculated roosies bid way
past melt.
2. buyer gets disappointed when sees them and asks for return even though he is a forum member here and should know:
A. do not trust auction descriptions from dorky sellers.
B. ask for help if you cannot judge coins based on lousy pics.
C. anything too good to be true ussually is.
3. then comes onto the forum and complains he made a deal with
a crazy seller.
most here are too kind to state what i did but hopefully this cheap
lesson will sink in and reality will come to the front of the line.
i do not think i was being mean or rude by stating this. it is quite obvious!
edited to add: seatedcollector seems to agree with me. people seem
to think ebay sellers of junk coins are experts and know what they
are talking about. the seller probably truly believes they are a nice set :-|
try for a rip from a loony and expect this. lol.
I do that as well. Although I once submitted the email history showing that a buyer had threatened me with negative feedback (and followed through) even though I offered a full refund including shipping. The buyer had been an Ebayer for a few weeks, and wrote in broken English. After a week or so to review it, Ebay sent me a nice form letter and did nothing about the feedback extortion. But hey, it was a comfort to know that I had the email history.
<< <i>Here's the Toolhaus link the this seller. Quite a read.
LINKY >>
He also had a nasty habit of retaliating:
http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=johno1733&Dirn=Left+by&ref=home
This is exactly the kind of seller that caused the feedback policy change.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>
<< <i>Here's the Toolhaus link the this seller. Quite a read.
LINKY >>
He also had a nasty habit of retaliating:
http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=johno1733&Dirn=Left+by&ref=home
This is exactly the kind of seller that caused the feedback policy change.
Russ, NCNE >>
Too bad EBAY had to ba$tardize the feedback system and emasculate ALL sellers. They should just throw guys like this off. I cannot understand why this seller is still a registered EBAY member.
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>Here's the Toolhaus link the this seller. Quite a read.
LINKY >>
He also had a nasty habit of retaliating:
http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=johno1733&Dirn=Left+by&ref=home
This is exactly the kind of seller that caused the feedback policy change.
Russ, NCNE >>
Too bad EBAY had to ba$tardize the feedback system and emasculate ALL sellers. They should just throw guys like this off. I cannot understand why this seller is still a registered EBAY member. >>
must pay the ebay fees on time
peacockcoins
I love this one....lmao...
Prissy ol thing this one is, not invited back BLOCKED!!!
I would neg him with. . .
“NEG--> http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=johno1733&Dirn=Received+by&ref=home”
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>Here's the Toolhaus link the this seller. Quite a read.
LINKY >>
He also had a nasty habit of retaliating:
http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=johno1733&Dirn=Left+by&ref=home
This is exactly the kind of seller that caused the feedback policy change.
Russ, NCNE >>
Too bad EBAY had to ba$tardize the feedback system and emasculate ALL sellers. They should just throw guys like this off. I cannot understand why this seller is still a registered EBAY member. >>
This whining and "10% restocking fee" crap is just stupid.
I've had one return two years ago, none last year, and one request this year but the buyer changed his mind and wanted to keep the coins. If someone wants a return, just give them a return, THAT'S how you keep a customer.
Seriously... if he had said "honestly, the coins all looked good to me but, my eyes aren't what they used to be and if you're not happy, no problem, just ship them back and I'll promptly refund your money".
If he did that... you would not say "What a scum, I'll never by from him again!"
<< <i> I've had one return two years ago, none last year, and one request this year but the buyer changed his mind and wanted to keep the coins. >>
but, but, but...I'd take a flyer here, I'm guessing you don't sell cleaned dimes as MS????
Check out my current listings: https://ebay.com/sch/khunt/m.html?_ipg=200&_sop=12&_rdc=1
This guy has a 99% positive feedback rating.
Despite that, the auction clearly states a return policy if the buyer "feels the coins are not as described". Since they were described as uncirculated and the buyer feels they are not...that should have been the end of the question. The Sellers conduct in failing to honor his return as stated is inexcusable IMO.
Greg Hansen, Melbourne, FL Click here for any current EBAY auctions Multiple "Circle of Trust" transactions over 14 years on forum
I hope you get your refund, and never bid on junk like this again.
<< <i>from your story the seller sounds like a complete tool, HOWEVER i am wondering why when i look at the pics, i see (for the most part) circulated coins. did the picture not show up for you ? if you could not see the pics did you ask the seller for better pics, did you ask the seller if the coins pictured were the ones you were bidding on ? ? i seriously doubt that the seller knows the difference between unc and cleaned circs. couple this with his story of being screwed before and i see how the whole situation could have been avoided. are you wrong ? is he wrong ? to me it looks like he cant grade coins and you should have looked at the pics. >>
That was my thought as well -- they look like buffed circulated POSs, even in the crappy image. I was surprise that a fairly advanced Roosie collector was not better at reading the image.
and worth mentioning again
toolhaus.org remember that
In all fairness though, you bid on an item from a guy with THAT kinda feedback?
You will find VERY few ebay sellers with FB ratings below 98%. And most of those will be reasonable people who have done relatively few purchases or sales with 1 or 2 negs from a chucklehead like this.
If I had to rate FB for sellers with over 500 transactions this would be my rating system:
100 - good to go most of the time, but check Toolhaus any ways.
99 - delivers >80% of the time
98 - delivers >60% of the time
97 - you got some real problems here bud
96 - considering thievery in coins as a career
95 - professional scammer or thief
90-94 spends some time in a cell
85-89 spends most time in a cell
<84 spending all their time in a cell
The fact that this pyscho-seller maintained a 99% rating is more a testament to his threats and persuasive abilities than to his skills as a coin seller.
roadrunner
NEVER NEVER NEVER bid over melt for something from a guy like that.
99% means nothing if you look at the actual feedback.
this comment said it best...
I hope you get your refund, and never bid on junk like this again.
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<< <i>The fact that this pyscho-seller maintained a 99% rating is more a testament to his threats and persuasive abilities than to his skills as a coin seller. >>
Bingo! Under the old eBay system a seller could get away with this through retaliation, and maintain a feedback percentage that made him look just as good as sellers who care about customer service.
Russ, NCNE
If I had it my way, stupidity would be painful!
<< <i>Could the crease in the Folder not help identify, at least, the source of the Holder(yep, watch a lot of CSI...)? Respectfully, John Curlis >>
That occurred to me, but aboncom uses stock photos, and he sold 5 of these.
<< <i>He bought one of these from aboncom on May 18 for $89.00. I get the feeling it may have something to do with yours, billed as "a very nice find indeed". aboncom sells them as circulated. What happened after he bought it is anyone's guess, but I have some hunches (and the timeline is right).
Could explain his (misplaced) anger--he knows he got screwed and wants to pass it on. --Jerry
Dear casscoins,
Obviously the buyer has nothing to do this weekend but this. Ive been out enjoying a nice day I guess this is all his life is about.
- johno1733
I at least expected a %%%off comment...
<< <i>
<< <i>The fact that this pyscho-seller maintained a 99% rating is more a testament to his threats and persuasive abilities than to his skills as a coin seller. >>
Bingo! Under the old eBay system a seller could get away with this through retaliation, and maintain a feedback percentage that made him look just as good as sellers who care about customer service.
Russ, NCNE >>
The percentage alone doesn't tell the whole story, even under the new system. His current rating is 99%, including the 30 negs and neutrals he racked up in the last 12 months. In the most recent month, he's at 97%, and that will rise to 98% when Ebay removes the neutrals from the calculation as they plan to do. You still have to drill down into a seller's feedback, and when you do you see that this guy is obviously trouble. Toolhaus is really useful for this as some here have pointed out.
99 - delivers >80% of the time
98 - delivers >60% of the time
97 - you got some real problems here bud
96 - considering thievery in coins as a career
95 - professional scammer or thief
90-94 spends some time in a cell
85-89 spends most time in a cell
<84 spending all their time in a cell
Using my system, you got johno1733 nailed right off the bat. 97or 98% is borderline problem seller. But I may have to update it some for the new ebay changes. At least toolhaus will still be factoring in the neutrals which is critical imo.
roadrunner
<< <i>Could the crease in the Folder not help identify, at least, the source of the Holder(yep, watch a lot of CSI...)? Respectfully, John Curlis >>
Just where the heck were their bullet-proof vests during the raids and stakeouts? In their lockers? Every so often, I'll need to remind the wife that those cop shows are a big joke when compared to real life.
The reason why I laughed at your comment, exactly the way you meant it.
this comment said it best...
I hope you get your refund, and never bid on junk like this again.
If coming from the seller...........
If dark shades of color indicate lustrous uncirculated coins, there aren't many there to see. But that doesn't neccessarily mean a coin cannot be uncirculated. Subdue luster can ruin a coin if left in an album too long or it may tone up a bit to hide the luster as well.
I had a similar incident occur to me 6-7 years back and it took 4 years to get my refund. In this instant, the discription said that the set had many FS nickels. Luckily, I bought from a coin club in the Beverly Hills of Cal. And the seller was the club's president. And for the last 3 1/2 years of that ebay transaction, I'd send them an email detailing the ebay auction and every email that transended between us every few months. Either the club voted in some respectable leadership or the mention of making them a subject of discussion on two major coin forums may have changed their minds about returning my $220 refund.
Noting that this seller doesn't appear too worried about receiving negative feedback and the 21 auctions ending in the next 5 days......
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
My Jefferson Nickel Collection
I have neither the need nor the desire to deal with a seller such as this......
Update?
- Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 BC
<< <i>He buys the junk silver by the pound (see feedback as a buyer). He then stuffs them in albums to sell as complete sets, or sells them 25 at a time using alot of hype, as so many of them do. "This should be part of your investment portfolio", "silver is a safe haven for investors in an unstable economy", "there's gonna be a second run-up", "a nice find indeed", "stellar beauty", "I can't find a single flaw", "unflawed", "eye stunner", blah blah freakin' blah. When people call him out on the misrepresentations, he plays the victim & blames the feedback changes. His communications with you confirm what the other buyers said about rude, nasty and arrogant emails. >>
On further inspection, he's taking a beating.
Paid $19.50 for a silver dollar he then sold for $15.50; pays 11-12X face for silver dimes he's averaging 10X face when selling. Dude is a true maroon, or he's purely mad at his money.
All I can say is that there is one PISSED OFF village out there somewhere
Check out my current listings: https://ebay.com/sch/khunt/m.html?_ipg=200&_sop=12&_rdc=1
<< <i>100? >>
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