Is this 18/7D net graded by ANACs??
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I've had this 1918/7D Buffalo for some time. It's in an old ANACs holder. Compared to many VG8's in top tier TPG's it seems to be quite sharp and detailed. However, there is a void in the bison's side. It looks more like a planchet defect than a gouge, but it could be either. I suspect it brought the ANACS grade down via net grade assessment. Does this coin have any chance at an upgrade or even being able to be crossed to PCGS or NGC at its current VG8 level? Or is it a "leave it alone," it will find its market value, coin?
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<< <i>BB at PCGS. >>
No way. A minor lamination like that would rarely ever result in a body bag.
The coin was undergraded as a VG
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<< <i>BB at PCGS. >>
No way. A minor lamination like that would rarely ever result in a body bag.
The coin was undergraded as a VG >>
Wanna bet it bags at PCGS? It is not a minor lamination it is a gouge. I've had lesser examples bag. Just my experience.
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<< <i>BB at PCGS. >>
No way. A minor lamination like that would rarely ever result in a body bag.
The coin was undergraded as a VG >>
Wanna bet it bags at PCGS? It is not a minor lamination it is a gouge. I've had lesser examples bag. Just my experience. >>
I'll wager any sum of money that it's a minor lamination and that it would grade.
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<< <i>BB at PCGS. >>
No way. A minor lamination like that would rarely ever result in a body bag.
The coin was undergraded as a VG >>
Wanna bet it bags at PCGS? It is not a minor lamination it is a gouge. I've had lesser examples bag. Just my experience. >>
I'll wager any sum of money that it's a minor lamination and that it would grade. >>
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<< <i>BB at PCGS. >>
No way. A minor lamination like that would rarely ever result in a body bag.
The coin was undergraded as a VG >>
Wanna bet it bags at PCGS? It is not a minor lamination it is a gouge. I've had lesser examples bag. Just my experience. >>
I'll wager any sum of money that it's a minor lamination and that it would grade. >>
I would also take that wager. For a coin like this, and the miniscule nature of the lamination, it would not bag at PCGS, or NGC, or ICG, or any other service.
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It is not net graded.
Until very recently, the percentage of horn remaining was the grade diagnostic. If half the horn remained, the grade was VG.
Fine required 2/3 horn. This coin is VG by those standards.
References: Blue Book (1968), Photograde (1988), Fourth Edition Brown and Dunn (1966), Official ANA Grading Guide, Second Edition (1981)
Actually, the ANA Grading Guide says 3/4 horn is required to make Fine.
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<< <i>It's a planchet lamination.
It is not net graded.
Until very recently, the percentage of horn remaining was the grade diagnostic. If half the horn remained, the grade was VG.
Fine required 2/3 horn. This coin is VG by those standards.
References: Blue Book (1968), Photograde (1988), Fourth Edition Brown and Dunn (1966), Official ANA Grading Guide, Second Edition (1981)
Actually, the ANA Grading Guide says 3/4 horn is required to make Fine. >>
References from the 1980's are obsolete by todays standards.
ANACS called this a VG
PCGS called this a VG
Clearly, the coin in the OP is better
Lamination.
Personally I'd like it as a F12.
Joe.
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<< <i>BB at PCGS. >>
No way. A minor lamination like that would rarely ever result in a body bag.
The coin was undergraded as a VG >>
Wanna bet it bags at PCGS? It is not a minor lamination it is a gouge. I've had lesser examples bag. Just my experience. >>
I'll wager any sum of money that it's a minor lamination and that it would grade. >>
$50 it would bag at PCGS. If it dosen't I pay $50 + grading fees.
Cameron Kiefer
<< <i>OK, so if I send it in for a crossover, is it better to leave it in its current slab or to crack it out and send it raw. I'm balancing biasing the graders ro downgrade it based on the old VG8 assessment vs. the risk it gets BB'd. What's your recommendations? >>
I've tried a buffalo with a similar planchet flaw at pcgs twice this year, but it BB'd both times. I definitely would NOT recommend cracking it out. Send it in as a crossover only.
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<< <i>BB at PCGS. >>
No way. A minor lamination like that would rarely ever result in a body bag.
The coin was undergraded as a VG >>
Wanna bet it bags at PCGS? It is not a minor lamination it is a gouge. I've had lesser examples bag. Just my experience. >>
A gouge doesnt have such sharp, defined edges. This is definately a planchet flaw, and it would not stop PCGS from grading it.
Send as a crossover. As much as I think they hate upgrading crosses, this should be a straightforward one, and old ANAC's slabs were often a tad conservative.
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<< <i>BB at PCGS. >>
No way. A minor lamination like that would rarely ever result in a body bag.
The coin was undergraded as a VG >>
Wanna bet it bags at PCGS? It is not a minor lamination it is a gouge. I've had lesser examples bag. Just my experience. >>
I'll wager any sum of money that it's a minor lamination and that it would grade. >>
$50 it would bag at PCGS. If it dosen't I pay $50 + grading fees.
Cameron Kiefer >>
If we can locate the coin I'll take you up on that bet.
While many are focusing on the horn, which is usually weak on this issue anyway, take a look at how strong the date is. That's where the money is for these overdates.
I like it and would say F-12 or 15. Nice details and who cares about a minor reverse lamination on an overdate. It's a non-issue. And if PCGS doesn't like it, send it across the street. Remember: I bought an ANACS 20 overdate, cracked it out, came back a PCGS 15, cracked it, came back an NGC 30, crossed it into a PCGS 30 holder.
Go for it. All you have to lose is money.
Garrow